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post #151 of 218
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Originally Posted by ps24eva
I GUARANTEE you that Blu-Ray is 1080P, if it wasn't already announced already.


and IMO, that is why ps3 is 1080P
And where do you get this information that it was made to support Blu-Ray? You haven't heard what people have already posted many times. It was confirmed by Sony officials during the SCEA conference at E3, that the PS3's games will be standard at 1080p. That doesn't say anything about Blu-Ray movies. If you meant PS3 BD-ROM, then that would be correct as well as any developer that puts out its games on PS3 DVD-ROM at 1080p. To assume it just means that it's for BD-Video is plain silly. You can't guarantee that at all like you claim to. Besides, the spec for 1080 on Blu-Ray is 60i/50i/24p. If you think that they would have a standard of 24p for games, then you're crazy. Sony demands at least 30fps on the PS2 for software. At 24fps, any shooter or action game would just plain suck. The stutter would make them almost unplayable. Sony is most likely making the 1080p outputs on the PS3 up to 60Hz. And just because there is a standard specification for Blu-Ray at 1080/24p, doesn't mean it will be utilized. There simply isn't enough information to go by as of yet. Many of Sony's executives didn't know much about the PS3 until the official unveiling, so how would you?
post #152 of 218
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Originally Posted by ps24eva
I would like to know the answer for this one too.


Especially from CrocHunter.


You can always output 1080i or 720P with the ps3 if you don't have a 1080P display device.
1080p would be great, but it's not likely 1080p sets would be flying of the shelves because of the PS3.Too expensive for a lot of people including me.

Honestly i'd rather have 720p at 60fps compared to 1080p at 24fps :rolleyes:

Yes i know i can still play PS3 in 1080i and 720p, i was just wanting to know weather the PS3 would deinterlace 1080i to 1080p like a dvd player.

Which i doubt will happen since you would have to have a1080p display to see 1080p material.

I think microsofts doing a good job at supplying 720p and 16:9 mandatory for all games even better is that they are pretty much locked at 60fps.

Here's a question how many people have hdtv sets at 1080i/720p?

Now how many have 1080p sets? Not many huh...
post #153 of 218
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Originally Posted by CrocHunter
Now how many have 1080p sets? Not many huh...
You just don't get it do you?
1080p support is forward-thinking, it's that simple.


Anyway, back to the original post.
Hitachi has announced three 1080p LCoS sets for 2005;
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All three LCoS models include fully integrated ATSC tuning, digital CableCARD slots, TV Guide On-Screen electronic program guides, IEEE-1394 and HDMI inputs.

The CineForm 60T925 LCoS model (November, $5,299) features a 60W-inch 16:9 screen, 1080p resolution, dual focus lens system, CineForm cosmetics, and IEEE 1394 input.

In the Director’s Series, the LCoS units are offered in place of LCD-based micro-display rear projection sets offered last year. Models include the CineForm 60W-inch 60X927 (November, $6,499) and the 70W-inch (December, $8,499). Both add to the T925 feature package a learning AV NET IV system with simple remote, Digital Color Management III system that can store two settings – one for photo memory card input and one for other video sources – and Custom Color Temperature controls with four memories.
Mitsubishi is also bringing out five 1080p models this year.
post #154 of 218
my point is we are'nt going to go out and buy 1080p sets, and ditch my equipment i have.

Plus keep in mind they are going to be expensive.
post #155 of 218
I was in Bestnicht Buy on Saturday and they were sellnig 37" LCD flat-panels with 1008P for $2K, Croc.
post #156 of 218
Croc, what I understand here is that you are not happy about Sony coming out with a product with a technology that you won’t (or most of the people) be able to afford to run it at 100% of its capacity right away?

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Originally Posted by CrocHunter
my point is we are'nt going to go out and buy 1080p sets, and ditch my equipment i have.

Plus keep in mind they are going to be expensive.
Well, alright, since you won’t buy a 1080p display, you should be completely indifferent to the fact that the PS3 can do 1080p, right? You have already decided that you are not buying that kind of display, so, in all common sense, that’s shouldn’t affect you.

But still, you’re still unhappy about it, and it seems you’re not alone, why?
post #157 of 218
Ferret those displays will not accept a 1080p signal, they will just upconvert it to the displays native rate 1080p.

Don't be confused with accepting a 1080p signal and displaying 1080p.

But like you said, there should be some displays out this year that "Will" accept a 1080p "input".

The problem with the few displays today is that they only "Output" a 1080p signal, they cannot take a 1080p "Input".

I'm not diassapointed that they are including 1080p and xbox360 is'nt, what dissappoints me is the price of these tv sets coming soon:(

even though my set does'nt support 1080p, i'm still happy with it regardless is still an HDTV.
post #158 of 218
Croc, it has already been verified by several people that the Westy will in fact take a 1080P signal. Not only has it been tested, but someone also took a picture and posted it (Tommylotto did this, IIRC). This was done with computers, of course.

I'm concerned that you think that it would take a 1080P signal and not display it. This stance implies that its doing some sort of processing. I'm game, if you can describe what you think it is doing please share, and also share in that Westy thread as well. Its easy enough to build a 1920x1080 test pattern to verify this.

Also, I do not see any flat panel display capable of introducing interlacing (and why would it, just to have to remove it to scale or display it henceforth), so the only other thing it might do is scale the input signal (and why would it do that only to scale it back to its native resolution)? Really makes no sense.

And $2K for a 37" LCD that has 1080P as its native resolution doesn't seem too bad to me (and many others) considering its available now, months ahead of any source (computers being an exception).
post #159 of 218
No it's the other way around, it "cannot" take a 1080p "Input", it only "Outputs" 1080p.

Given that there are no 1080p material yet for source material i can't see how he could have gotten pictures of it, the set is probably scaling the signal to it's native 1080p display rate.

Untill i see actual 1080p material being displayed to a 1080p display that will take a 1080p "input" and will display the 1080p in all it's glory, then everything is moot at this point.

However it's nice that these actual 1080p sets are getting released this year, but sadly i don't think many people can afford to spend $6-10 thousand dollars on a display:(
post #160 of 218
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Originally Posted by CrocHunter
No it's the other way around, it "cannot" take a 1080p "Input", it only "Outputs" 1080p.
CrocHunter, the 37" Westinghouse was tested at 1080p at 60 fps with a computer using a DVI connection.


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Originally Posted by CrocHunter
Untill i see actual 1080p material being displayed to a 1080p display that will take a 1080p "input" and will display the 1080p in all it's glory, then everything is moot at this point.
Seriously there are 3 displays that can both accept and display 1080p at 60 fps and it has been verified that they can do that. Also consider that their are many $600 LCD computer monitors that can do UXGA (1200x1600) at 60 fps.


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Originally Posted by CrocHunter
However it's nice that these actual 1080p sets are getting released this year, but sadly i don't think many people can afford to spend $6-10 thousand dollars on a display:(
CrocHunter, I do not see why you dislike the fact that 1080p is becoming more common. It will not obsolete current HDTVs so there is no reason to view 1080p as some kind of threat. I have noticed that in several of your posts you say that you are not going to run out and buy a 1080p HDTV. I wonder why you find it necessary to say that when the PS3 can output at 720p/1080i?
post #161 of 218
Well thanks for the relief, it's good to hear 1080p wont make 1080i or 720p obsolete.

But i must ask this, how are you getting 1080p material if the dvd's are not out yet and neither is the HD dvd players?That's what i'm curious about?
post #162 of 218
[quote=CrocHunter]Well thanks for the relief, it's good to hear 1080p wont make 1080i or 720p obsolete.[quote]

This has been my biggest concern, as I am in the market for my first HDTV and have to decide whether or not to wait for a true 1080p set. I think those new Samsung 1080p sets are just trumped-up 1080i, according to their own website and specs. I think the first BIG 1080p sets will be quite expensive.

Here's the big question though: assuming the 1080p material from HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will not make 720p/1080i obsolete, will it make them far less desirable?? I was in a local high end home theater store here in Dallas this past weekend, and one of the salespersons told me he saw a 1080p signal at a recent convention (not sure which one) and it completely blows away 720p/1080i in every way.

Worth waiting or not? The dilemma continues.
By the way, sorry I can't even quote right...lol.
post #163 of 218
Croc, any PC can output a 1080P signal. There are plenty of 1080p encodes in Windows Media Format v. 9 available right now, Terminator 2 Extreme Edition and a handfull of other DVD versions also exist. Granted there isn't much 1080p out there, but there is some out there.

And as for all of this talk about the ps3, lets remember one thing:

Its vaporware until it hits the shelves....what Sony says it can do, and what it will actually do, are two different things.

It wouldn't surprise me a BIT if the SONY only output 1080P via a propriatary SONY connector that only worked with high-end SONY WEGA hardware.

(thats just an IMHO by the way, I have not read anything to even suggest that fact...but it wouldn't SURPRISE ME) :)
post #164 of 218
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Originally Posted by CrocHunter
But i must ask this, how are you getting 1080p material if the dvd's are not out yet and neither is the HD dvd players?That's what i'm curious about?
You have the computer output a resolution pattern which is usually just a 1080x1920 bitmap image.
post #165 of 218
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Here's the big question though: assuming the 1080p material from HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will not make 720p/1080i obsolete, will it make them far less desirable?? I was in a local high end home theater store here in Dallas this past weekend, and one of the salespersons told me he saw a 1080p signal at a recent convention (not sure which one) and it completely blows away 720p/1080i in every way.
Hahahaha....I love hearing stuff like this, reminds me of the salesperson at an A/V store who had never heard of Paradigms but knew they were probably "Made in China", and that I would be sorry if I didn't go for Infiniti's.. :)

I find it hard to believe that people will be able to see ahuge difference between a 1080i display and a 1080p display unless they are WELL ahead of the "optimum seating distance" and doing nothing but looking for flaws in images, as in right up at the screen.

As it is 720p and 1080i look nearly identical to me, the problem there is that its hard to tell the difference since rarely can you see the same image in each format on the exact same SET.....usually you're looking at an LCD/DLP versus a CRT, and there you're seeing the difference not just in resolution but in Contrast Ratio, color reproduction, and the pros and cons of each display technology....*sigh*.

We, as consumers, just can't win! :)
post #166 of 218
I dont want a 1080p set unless it displays the resolution NAITIVELY and ...does so at 60fps. Until 1080p hdtv's are at that point..im sticking with 720p....it will take another 2 years for what I described to come down to a reasonable price.

On top of that...my next hdtv purchase will be in the 42 to 50 inch size range...and in those sizes its said 1080p will not make a big difference.

When im ready to replace my 60inch HDTV...then ill start paying attention to 1080p...for now...it doesn't seem ready for the consumer market.
post #167 of 218
I agree, with so many consumers trying to get into the hdtv realm and then find out that a 1080p set just got released there bwould be a lot of pissed off campers.

Like Hellraiser said, unless 1080p can display at 60 fps then it's not worth it yet at the moment, and 720p should do just fine.
post #168 of 218
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Originally Posted by mobius
That's fine, but we're talking about the immediate future. The aggregate population of gamers will overwhelmingly choose what looks the best for the least amount of money. That means 720p or 1080i, not 1080p sets because once 1080p does hit the market in sufficient quantities, prices for 720p and 1080i sets will drop accordingly.

If game publishers and developers have no 1080p audience, and they won't for probably 3-4 years, then they won't even bother making their games 1080p capable.

I'm all for 1080p, it's just not ready for prime time yet.
i recently read an interview of a devoloper designing a game for ps3 launch. he mentioned specifically that they will not attempt to make 1080p games at launch; but rather that their launch game will run at 720p. i wish i could remmember what game it was.....maybe killzone?
post #169 of 218
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Originally Posted by Hellraiser
I dont want a 1080p set unless it displays the resolution NAITIVELY and ...does so at 60fps. Until 1080p hdtv's are at that point..im sticking with 720p....it will take another 2 years for what I described to come down to a reasonable price.

On top of that...my next hdtv purchase will be in the 42 to 50 inch size range...and in those sizes its said 1080p will not make a big difference.

When im ready to replace my 60inch HDTV...then ill start paying attention to 1080p...for now...it doesn't seem ready for the consumer market.
well said. agree fully
post #170 of 218
Well, it's not just because I was looking for an excuse to make a nice purchase (lol) but I tend to agree with most of you. I have been waiting to buy an HDTV for years now and I finally have some resources to do so. It comes down to this: better off to wait to buy 1080p and not waste $$ now, or better to buy a pretty decent HDTV now and enjoy it today? According to what most of you say, a reasonably priced tv that can output 1080p/60fps is not around the corner. And if it is, it's going to likely cost a pretty penny.

I think I'll opt to buy that Sony LCD I have my eye on and enjoy it now. Everytime I've seen HD displayed in the showroom, it looks fantastic. I can live with such a picture for a coupla years, right?

I am curious...do any of you play your DVD movies in 1080i or 720p upconverting? Which resolution is best? Until Blu-Ray/HD-DVD arrives, I'd also want to get a nice upconverting DVD player that will look good on my new set. Component or HDMI connections for best picture?
post #171 of 218
An upscaling DVD player will benefit you more if you go with a CRT based display, and not a fixed-pixel display, as it will remove scanlines from the 480p image.

It may or may not produce a better picture with a fixed-pixel display..depends on the player and the display being used.

Having said that, usually with a fixed-pixel display (digital) a digital signal (DVI/HDMI) is preferred because no analog conversion has to happen.

You'll be perfectly happy with a 1080i or 720p display, as many of us have been for years.
post #172 of 218
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Originally Posted by HeadRusch
An upscaling DVD player will benefit you more if you go with a CRT based display, and not a fixed-pixel display, as it will remove scanlines from the 480p image.

It may or may not produce a better picture with a fixed-pixel display..depends on the player and the display being used.
HeadRusch, so do you suggest using a regular prog. scan DVD player, not an upscaling model? The Sony will convert to 768p anyway, right?
post #173 of 218
You're going to get different answers on this. 6 of one, half dozen of the other. Some people swear by upconverting players, and some see little to no benefit in them. On my large CRT based RPTV, the upconversion to 1080i eliminates scanlines and gently sharpens the overall picture for me, so I like my upconverting player. For others, they see no benefit at all and dont bother with them.

Some sets, as you mention above, will do the upconverting FOR you. Then you get into the question of "Well, which does a better job. Does the set do a better job upconverting, or does the DVD player do the better job".

Of course, some sets wont upconvert for you.....so you're back to the DVD player question.

Some of the upscaling players have their own quirks, for example some crush blacks or whites over DVI but don't via Component, but then going component into a fixed pixel display means you're doing an analog to digital conversion so the results wont be as sharp.
I am out of the loop on the current generation of upconverting players.....I stopped at the Zenith DVB318.

The key thing is this: Even though its going to be a bit of a hit-and-miss search for you, DONT PANIC! :) The picture will look great no matter what, its just wether or not you can get the picture to look "better". Buy a good upconverter, and buy a regular one...try them...keep the one you like best.

*EDIT*
If we are talking about LCD or DLP sets then YES they will scale the image to their native resolution, and we get into the issue of which does a better job at the scaling...the dvd player, or the TV itself.
post #174 of 218
DVD Freaky,

I found that the jump from component to DVI made a much bigger difference on my LCD projector than upscaling did. That being said, there was an improvement with upscaling, but even a small improvement makes a big difference at 106" when you sit very close so it may not make a big difference for you.

There's a lot more info on this in the other forums. I'd search there.

~Will
post #175 of 218
"I dont want a 1080p set unless it displays the resolution NAITIVELY and ...does so at 60fps. Until 1080p hdtv's are at that point..im sticking with 720p....it will take another 2 years for what I described to come down to a reasonable price."

I don't see it as two years. We already have LCD's doing what you are saying around 20"/$2000 and there is a strong push coming on this from all manufactures. I would think early next year we can get decent sized (not mega-huge) 1080P 60 monitors etc, there maybe a couple with size >34" already now. The thing is, the only thing feeding 1080P right now are PC applications, which for me works, but not for too many.
post #176 of 218
That's funny, in my experience, upscaling players make less of a difference on CRT displays and more of a difference on fixed pixel displays. The exact opposite of Headrusch's suggestion. On the DVD forum if someone says they have a CRT, most people recommend regular DVD players (though don't get confused, a player such as the Panasonic S97 has a better 480p output than any of the players beneath it from what I've seen.) I was hard pressed to see any improvement at 1080i on my Hitachi CRT RPTV. In fact, it was a little jittery and I actually got a better picture outputting at 480p and setting the tv at 540p. All that being said, that Sony LCD doesn't accept any signals at it's native resolution (which is why I wouldn't buy it myself) so an upscaling player may not make as much of a difference as on a DLP. I'd still pair it with a Panasonic S77, whether you run it at 480p or 720p. 1080i is just bad for movies.
post #177 of 218
"According to what most of you say, a reasonably priced tv that can output 1080p/60fps is not around the corner. And if it is, it's going to likely cost a pretty penny." (In reference to should I wait on HDTV for 1080P and skip 720P):


Here is how I would look at that real dilemma for many.

1. TV won't be supporting 1080P for sometime, I believe.
2. We still don't have a HD DVD standard. Look at actual content by End Year 2006.
3. That leaves us with PC's using it's true resolution today and game consoles later this year.

Next:

1. HDTV at 1080i/720P looks damn good. How much better with 1080P really look? Some manufactures are saying the rez only makes a difference when you get 85" and larger. Do you want something that large then? I do but many won't.

2. HD DVD same thing, unless you have a really big picture video media isn't going to be shockingly better between 720P and 1080P and it is with 480i and 720P for example. Will it be better? Yes. The zealots will overstate how much better, because they are insane to a degree. To my mom she may not even notice.

3. So we are back at the PC. Not only can I use it now I will actually see a real benefit be it for desktop applications or games. (This also will apply to next-gen game consoles)

So if you aren't into gaming and a mega huge display 1080P might not be very exciting to you. If you are into games and/or a mega huge display you might want to hold off, but at the same time initial benefits are going to be only coming from games and not video sources is my feeling on it. 2007 maybe the year HD DVD media becomes semi-available.

I’m very satisfied video wise with my 720P. I’m not 100% satisfied with my gaming at 720P. My next projector most likely will be 1080P for Pc/Console gaming and then later on for video when the industry gets itself focused on a standard.
post #178 of 218
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Originally Posted by HeadRusch
I find it hard to believe that people will be able to see ahuge difference between a 1080i display and a 1080p display unless they are WELL ahead of the "optimum seating distance" and doing nothing but looking for flaws in images, as in right up at the screen.
The viewing distance is based on resolution so it is less for a 1080p display than it is for a 1080i display.


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Originally Posted by CrocHunter
I agree, with so many consumers trying to get into the hdtv realm and then find out that a 1080p set just got released there bwould be a lot of pissed off campers.
Why does it matter if 1080p HDTVs are released? The current HDTVs that are 720p/1080i do not become any worse so why should people get angry over 1080p HDTVs coming out? Much like computers there are always going to be improvements in HDTVs whether it is in resolution, contrast ratio, cost, etc. I do not see why than it matters if 1080p displays are being released and why anyone should be angry over it.


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Originally Posted by Hellraiser
On top of that...my next hdtv purchase will be in the 42 to 50 inch size range...and in those sizes its said 1080p will not make a big difference.
That depends on viewing distance.


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Originally Posted by Hellraiser
When im ready to replace my 60inch HDTV...then ill start paying attention to 1080p...for now...it doesn't seem ready for the consumer market.
Personally I think 1080p displays are actually a bit late to the consumer market though I guess it depends a lot on your point of view. For the larger sizes they will be in a price premium for the next 2 or 3 years.


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Originally Posted by CrocHunter
Like Hellraiser said, unless 1080p can display at 60 fps then it's not worth it yet at the moment, and 720p should do just fine.
There are already displays that can accept and display 1080p at 60 fps. There are only a few but they do exist.


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Originally Posted by uzziah
i recently read an interview of a devoloper designing a game for ps3 launch. he mentioned specifically that they will not attempt to make 1080p games at launch; but rather that their launch game will run at 720p. i wish i could remmember what game it was.....maybe killzone?
It is only an option and some developers may choose to make games in 720p or in 1080p. Some may even allow a choice for what resolution the game can be played in.
post #179 of 218
Sony hyped maxed rez potential at 1080P for Shock and Awe! MS hyped minimum HD Rez that all games have to have to be certified is 720P, but that not being the limit, 1080P being said limit but they made little mention of that fact. There is also room for game resolutions to be in between 720P and 1080P. In this created confusion and well Sony won a little there because they went straight to the big dog to create hype/confusion. MS went with everything that comes out will be HD ready minimum. MS even confused some people with no HDTV's saying to themselves "If I don't have a HDTV I can't play 360 games?"

What happened here imo is MS assumed the consumers were at a level to understand all of this. It's clear if you understand and confusing as all can be if you don't.

Will next-gen games have the power to move around 1080P? I say yes as many PC's can move around several games at 1600x1200 easily, which is cose to 1080P in terms of total pixels and these next-gen consoles are much stronger then the PC's we have today, at least spec wise.
post #180 of 218
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croc,

do you read everything we post?

or do you just ignore it?
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