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post #61 of 1674
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Originally Posted by Mark LP View Post

JackLT,
Please see my post above. I thought the difference from 85 to 95 was a cablecard or tuner issue not a chipset/light engine issue. I could be wrong though. I don't see why Toshiba would quit using their HD2+ chipsets when Sony is using them for allot of their fall product as well. It seems to me that the manufacturers in general prefer a non-wobbulated chipset if possible.

TI wants to cut costs, thats why HD2+ sets are getting rare. The new TI chips used in DLPs are not full resolution, they only use half the mirrors, and TI had plans to use them with 1/4 of the pixels. TI seems to have a policy now not to indicate the actual mirrors used on a chip. I wonder why...

Most buyers do not understand what DLP, LCD , HD2+ or HD4 even is. Most dont care either, they look at the price, size and picture.

Sony does not use HD2+ or any DLP for that matter, they use 3 LCD panels and are coming out with a new SXRD technology to better compete with DLPs fill ratio.

Right now the best deal are on last years models, you can find some excellent clearance prices. If you can find one, take a look at the Panasonic DLP from last year. It was the cream of the HD2+ crop, its only weakness is the cabinet design and fan noise.

If not getting a clearance model wait a couple months and look at the new sets coming out, sonys SXRD may be the DLP killer, also look at the higher resolution DLPs which use a 960x1080 chip.
post #62 of 1674
Has anybody actually looked closely at the new tvs with the wobulation chip? This chip gives just as good a picture if not better than any other dlp chip. The reason they used the new wobulation chip is to have a better fill factor. Nobody actually checks these things out they just hear something they dont like and comment on it. Did you know that the chip is also twice as fast as the HD2+ chip that is how each mirror takes care of two pixles. When I had my Samsung 67 model calibrated the tech turned the chip on and off to show me how it worked on the screen it was amazing how good of a job the chip did. The result is better fill factor and better blacks. Dont let numbers fool you the new chips do an amazing job.
post #63 of 1674
After lurking for a while, thought I would ask what might be a dumb question. Other than the THINC networking capability, what are the differences between Theaterwide and the Cinema Series?
post #64 of 1674
It is a way to charge more money and give you the same tv.

Just kidding I dont really know.
post #65 of 1674
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Originally Posted by john19 View Post

Has anybody actually looked closely at the new tvs with the wobulation chip? This chip gives just as good a picture if not better than any other dlp chip. The reason they used the new wobulation chip is to have a better fill factor. Nobody actually checks these things out they just hear something they dont like and comment on it. Did you know that the chip is also twice as fast as the HD2+ chip that is how each mirror takes care of two pixles. When I had my Samsung 67 model calibrated the tech turned the chip on and off to show me how it worked on the screen it was amazing how good of a job the chip did. The result is better fill factor and better blacks. Dont let numbers fool you the new chips do an amazing job.


The thing that puzzles me is that the Toshiba rep I have an e-mail from swears these are HD4 based tv's, yet the PDF of the spec's he sent clearly states that it has "Full 1280 x 720 Mirrors for Enhanced Sharpness".
post #66 of 1674
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Originally Posted by john19 View Post

Has anybody actually looked closely at the new tvs with the wobulation chip? .


I find the wombled images are softer. TI can call it Smoothpicture, Movie-like, etc, but its not as sharp as a full resolution image. The Smoothpicture white paper stated the purpose was to reduce costs. SDE was never an issue with DLP.

Its like LCD projector users putting the image out of focus, and saying it solves SDE. It just makes the image soft.

Quoted contrast ratios mean little they seem to double every year, but the HD2+ sets offered the best image. Some claim the new 1080p wombled sets are better. Still waiting to see...
post #67 of 1674
The good news about the Toshiba 1080p televisions is that they seem to be priced better than the Samsungs. I googled for 'Toshiba 56hm195' and found two places selling the 56 inch model for under 2900 bucks.
post #68 of 1674
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Originally Posted by kxmas View Post

The good news about the Toshiba 1080p televisions is that they seem to be priced better than the Samsungs. I googled for 'Toshiba 56m195' and found two places selling the 56 inch model for under 2900 bucks.


Toshiba DLP's also tend to be higher quality.
post #69 of 1674
Does anyone know when the 62" Toshiba 1080p is suppose to be released?
post #70 of 1674
To add to the last question, are any toshiba 1080p's even for sale yet?
post #71 of 1674
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Originally Posted by aegisx View Post

To add to the last question, are any toshiba 1080p's even for sale yet?

Supposed to be out in September, i think.
post #72 of 1674
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Originally Posted by aegisx View Post

To add to the last question, are any toshiba 1080p's even for sale yet?

With the caveat that these dates are from an early press release:
56HM195 - Aug 2005
62HM195 - Aug 2005
72HM195 - Aug 2005
56MX195 - Sep 2005
62MX195 - Sep 2005
72MX195 - Oct 2005

(Based on industry SOP and a basic streak of pessimism, I'd be satisfied if we saw any new sets by the end of September.)
post #73 of 1674
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Originally Posted by donb1948 View Post

With the caveat that these dates are from an early press release:
56HM195 - Aug 2005
62HM195 - Aug 2005
72HM195 - Aug 2005
56MX195 - Sep 2005
62MX195 - Sep 2005
72MX195 - Oct 2005

(Based on industry SOP and a basic streak of pessimism, I'd be satisfied if we saw any new sets by the end of September.)

check out B & H photo, a very trusted online retailer. they have it available on a drop ship basis from Toshiba for a price of $3099
post #74 of 1674
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Originally Posted by donb1948 View Post

With the caveat that these dates are from an early press release:
56HM195 - Aug 2005
62HM195 - Aug 2005
72HM195 - Aug 2005
56MX195 - Sep 2005
62MX195 - Sep 2005
72MX195 - Oct 2005

(Based on industry SOP and a basic streak of pessimism, I'd be satisfied if we saw any new sets by the end of September.)

Does anyone know if there are any dimensional specs for any of the models?

Also, what the big difference between the HM & MX series?

Lastly, in the Samsung threads, it looks like there's a lot of talk about a lip sync issue with their new 1080p sets (this also happened on their 720p sets). Does anyone know if Toshiba DLP's have experienced these problems on their 720p models?
post #75 of 1674
So is this fake 1080p or what?
post #76 of 1674
what does drop ship mean? They ship directly from Toshiba to your house?
post #77 of 1674
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

what does drop ship mean? They ship directly from Toshiba to your house?

That is correct, they are the middleman in the transaction. As I said previously they are one of the better online Etailers. Chack it out on their website, B & H photo.
post #78 of 1674
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Originally Posted by CGULL999 View Post

Does anyone know if there are any dimensional specs for any of the models?

Also, what the big difference between the HM & MX series?

Lastly, in the Samsung threads, it looks like there's a lot of talk about a lip sync issue with their new 1080p sets (this also happened on their 720p sets). Does anyone know if Toshiba DLP's have experienced these problems on their 720p models?

Specifications & dimensions for HM Series (click the "Specification" link or scroll down):
56HM195: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_27854.htm
62HM195: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_27855.htm
72HM195: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_27858.htm

Note that all of these are "out of stock" and I'd guess the data is probably still preliminary.

Cinema series has that THINC(sp?) networking thing. Do not know if that is the only difference.

If anyone has a definitve answer on the lip sync issue, please, please, please speak up! I'm of the opinion that lip sync should be an issue on any HD set that uses an external audio system. The question is whether the lip sync is sufficient to "experience" it. I have only followed the launch of the new Samsungs closely and can only say there is a lot of concern there but no one has identified this as a uniquely Samsung problem. What the Samsung folks are finding is that there are a lot of variables potentially involved and its tough to nail down causes on a case-by-case basis.

PS. One question asked in the Samsung threads is "if audio sync is not a common problem why are the new AVRs built with audio delay functions, including the ability to delay by input on some units?"
post #79 of 1674
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Originally Posted by donb1948 View Post

Specifications & dimensions for HM Series (click the "Specification" link or scroll down):
56HM195: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_27854.htm
62HM195: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_27855.htm
72HM195: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_27858.htm

Note that all of these are "out of stock" and I'd guess the data is probably still preliminary.

Cinema series has that THINC(sp?) networking thing. Do not know if that is the only difference.

If anyone has a definitve answer on the lip sync issue, please, please, please speak up! I'm of the opinion that lip sync should be an issue on any HD set that uses an external audio system. The question is whether the lip sync is sufficient to "experience" it. I have only followed the launch of the new Samsungs closely and can only say there is a lot of concern there but no one has identified this as a uniquely Samsung problem. What the Samsung folks are finding is that there are a lot of variables potentially involved and its tough to nail down causes on a case-by-case basis.

Lip sync has never been a problem with Toshiba DLP's, so i doubt it will be with their new 1080P's. These sets have been hyped as the class of this year's DLP crop for months. Soon we'll know
post #80 of 1674
Does anyone have any insight on the fact that these sets are starting to show up on some e-tailers sites? Does this indicate these sets may be shipping soon? I know back in May we were told these would be available in August, but at the time they also said the 720 sets would be available in June. It seems like the new 720 sets are just now starting to show up. Is it safe to assume that this means the 1080p sets will also be 2 months late and not show up until October?
post #81 of 1674
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Originally Posted by JGamer View Post

Does anyone have any insight on the fact that these sets are starting to show up on some e-tailers sites? Does this indicate these sets may be shipping soon? I know back in May we were told these would be available in August, but at the time they also said the 720 sets would be available in June. It seems like the new 720 sets are just now starting to show up. Is it safe to assume that this means the 1080p sets will also be 2 months late and not show up until October?

We've been anticipating the 1080P's coming in October for months now. It's beginning to look, like Sony's SXRD's they may actually be a little early and show by mid to late September.
post #82 of 1674
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Originally Posted by donb1948 View Post

Specifications & dimensions for HM Series (click the "Specification" link or scroll down):
56HM195: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_27854.htm
62HM195: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_27855.htm
72HM195: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_27858.htm

Note that all of these are "out of stock" and I'd guess the data is probably still preliminary.

Cinema series has that THINC(sp?) networking thing. Do not know if that is the only difference.

If anyone has a definitve answer on the lip sync issue, please, please, please speak up! I'm of the opinion that lip sync should be an issue on any HD set that uses an external audio system. The question is whether the lip sync is sufficient to "experience" it. I have only followed the launch of the new Samsungs closely and can only say there is a lot of concern there but no one has identified this as a uniquely Samsung problem. What the Samsung folks are finding is that there are a lot of variables potentially involved and its tough to nail down causes on a case-by-case basis.

PS. One question asked in the Samsung threads is "if audio sync is not a common problem why are the new AVRs built with audio delay functions, including the ability to delay by input on some units?"


I run STB SD/HD video through component directly to TV and STB analog/digital audio directly to receiver. Sync is perfect. Not sure if using the receiver as a video switching device would add sync issue. If it did, many (including mine) receiver's have audio delay feature to sync up making it a non issue.
post #83 of 1674
PC input on the 1080P sets ?
post #84 of 1674
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Originally Posted by JackLT View Post

PC input on the 1080P sets ?

Hmmm... Not listed as available inputs on the XXHM195 spec sheets above.
post #85 of 1674
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Originally Posted by donb1948 View Post

Hmmm... Not listed as available inputs on the XXHM195 spec sheets above.

I hope these atleast take 1080p over HDMI. I'm not buying Samsung because of this ... it is kind of ridiculous to say "1080p" TV when they can't take 1080p input
post #86 of 1674
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Originally Posted by nataraj View Post

I hope these atleast take 1080p over HDMI. I'm not buying Samsung because of this ... it is kind of ridiculous to say "1080p" TV when they can't take 1080p input

Don't count on it. It appears even the new Sony SXRDs will not be able to accept 1080p over HDMI.
post #87 of 1674
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Originally Posted by JGamer View Post

Don't count on it. It appears even the new Sony SXRDs will not be able to accept 1080p over HDMI.

I suspect 1080p over HDMI is the planned "must have" feature to get folks to upgrade in 2006 or 2007. I'd certainly be surprised to see it in the XXXX195s.
post #88 of 1674
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Originally Posted by CGULL999 View Post

Also, what the big difference between the HM & MX series?

I think the article had a misprint. The models should be HM and HMX not HM and MX. In last years models there were two specifica differences, a scond HDMI input and the black bezel as opposed to gray. My guess, and I haven't seen data to back that up, is that the HMX's will all have PC input. A preliminary specification for the HMX95's show it.

Features of Toshiba 52HMX95:



Cinema Series HD - 720p HD DLP Projection TV
Talen 720p Light Engine with DEEP(Digitally Enhanced Engine Performance) Picture
Radiance 150 Hi-Bright Lamp, with Quick Restart
TheaterFine DRP Anti-Glare Screen
PixelPure AT (Adaptive Technology)Digital Video Processing
SRS WOW Sound
DoubleWindow POP
Dual HDMI Digital Inputs
Intergrated HD with ATSC & QAM Digital Tuning
Digital Cable Ready with CableCard Slot
TV Guide On Screen
Channel Browser
Omniviewer MultiCard Slot
IEEE1394 (DTVLink) Digital Port for optional Symbio HD Recorder
All Black Cabinet with High Gloss Black Arylic Bezel
Color Optimizer
Virtual Dobly Digital
THINC (toshiba home interactive networking connection) RJ-45 Entertaning Networking
PC Input (15-Pin D-Sub)
IR Input
Illuminated 6-item A/V Universal Remote
post #89 of 1674
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PC input on the 1080P sets?

That's one of the other step-up features on the Cinema Series models (HMX- for 720p, MX- for 1080p). The other upgrades are fairly minor: Virtual Dolby Digital processing for the built-in stereo speakers, and an IR input.

Steve
post #90 of 1674
Has there been any information about the service mode tweakability of the 1080p Toshibas? I remember reading comments about the older models from ISF calibrators to the effect that they had a slightly better out of the box picture than many other DLPs, but due to limited adjustments in the service menu, their overall potential was considerably less than most DLPs after ISF calibration. Any word on whether this has been improved in the newer generations?
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