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post #31 of 717
I highly doubt this panel is HD, i'm sure it's a ED for that price, the lack of inputs and 3000:1 ratio reminds me of my returned Akai/Samsung, it even looks like the Akai with the side speakers, could just be a rebadged 4298ED1.
The manual shows the main menu slightly different to the akai i had,they prob use there own electronic's.
post #32 of 717
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bud-man
I highly doubt this panel is HD, i'm sure it's a ED for that price, the lack of inputs and 3000:1 ratio reminds me of my returned Akai/Samsung, it even looks like the Akai with the side speakers, could just be a rebadged 4298ED1.
The manual shows the main menu slightly different to the akai i had,they prob use there own electronic's.
Budman, if you have gone through the manual, you would CLEARLY see that it is a combined manual for the ED and HD sets. This set is HD. The ED also looks the same. AKAI today is just a distribution channel. They do not make anything of their own; just rebadge and market it.

If you had clicked through the links you would also see who is manufacturing them; they even have a picture of the factory.
post #33 of 717
1. Samsung has a separate component division Samsung SDI which sells Plasma components to whoever wants to buy them.
2. According to the flyer released by pcconnection, the panel is from LG. Orcom is also using the NEC panel for their 50" display.
3. Samsung-Sony and LG-Phillips are two separate conglomerate when it comes to PDPs. I very much doubt the veracity of the gotapex guy.
post #34 of 717
Quote:
Originally Posted by BayAreaFan
I very much doubt the veracity of the gotapex guy.
I doubt the veracity of anything from gotapex. It seems like over the years they have become mainly a marketing outlet for Dell. That is why I go to places like slickdeals.net instead.

I was going to jump on this deal anyway until I realized that that rectangular pixels on this display aren't a good idea if you are using an HTPC. There is no way to get 1:1 pixel mapping, you have to rely on the internal scaler which may or may not be very good.
post #35 of 717
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chriš
I doubt the veracity of anything from gotapex. It seems like over the years they have become mainly a marketing outlet for Dell. That is why I go to places like slickdeals.net instead.

I was going to jump on this deal anyway until I realized that that rectangular pixels on this display aren't a good idea if you are using an HTPC. There is no way to get 1:1 pixel mapping, you have to rely on the internal scaler which may or may not be very good.
Could you elaborate more on the rectangular pixel issue?
Why is it an issue with with HTPC only?
What about regular cable etc?
1024x768 is not a standard anyway (not 720p or 480i/p). Wouldnt the internal scalar be used for all sources?
Or are their options available from cable boxes and DVD players to produce the output at 1024x768?
post #36 of 717
This display has a resolution of 1024X768 which is a 4:3 ratio. But this is a widescreen display, so the pixels are rectragular shaped to make 1024X768 into a 16:9 ratio. This is the same for most 42" and 43" plasmas. They are still considered HD and can have an excellent picture, but they can be a problem when connecting a PC to the diaplay.

When you connect a PC to a digital display device, you want to send the display it's native resolution. PC's are excellent scaling devices, so by sending the display it's native resolution, you are bypassing the scaler in the display and doing the scaling in the PC. BUT...PC's produce square shaped pixels. So if you sent this plasma a 1024X768 image (it's native resolution), you would get a distorted image. In order to get a proper picture, you would have to send it a widescreen ratio (like 1280X720), which would mean the scaler inside the display would then activate to rescale back to rectangular pixels. Usually when you rescale a PC's image, videos make look fine but fonts can become blurry and distorted.
post #37 of 717
So let me ask a dumb question to be sure I understand. Because this unit doesn't have an ATSC tuner, you won't be able to view over-the-air HD broadcasts without a set-top box (boy, there's a term that doesn't make sense any more in this age of 3" deep screens!) to receive the HD signals. Is that right?

I have DirecTV and also receive my local channels through DirecTV, currently. My understanding is that if I get a DirecTV HD receiver (or DirecTiVo HD receiver) I still won't be covered for the broadcast channels. What kind of device, and how much does it cost, would I need to get HD quality on the broadcast channels?

Dave
post #38 of 717
Unless this has changed with the newest model, all DirecTV HD receivers also tune OTA HD. You just need an antenna to hook up to it.

Robert
post #39 of 717
Oh, that's great! So in practical use, so long as I plan to stick with DirecTV, there is no real disadvantage to buying this display. It seems like it's been pretty well established that the quality of the Samsung panel should be good, and the only major feature it's lacking seems to be the HD tuner. Would you agree? I don't want to buy and be disappointed.
post #40 of 717
Thanks Chris.

The key seems to be avoiding the internal scaler in a less known brand since its quality is unknown.

The same logic should apply to cable boxes and DVD players. Wouldn't they also suffer from the same problem since their native signal is not in the 1024x768 format and the internal scalar will come into the picture? The difference in quality may be more in the case of a PC since its normal output is optimized, but the problem will be there in alll sources which are not 1024x768. Right?
post #41 of 717
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Originally Posted by BayAreaFan
Thanks Chris.

The key seems to be avoiding the internal scaler in a less known brand since its quality is unknown.

The same logic should apply to cable boxes and DVD players. Wouldn't they also suffer from the same problem since their native signal is not in the 1024x768 format and the internal scalar will come into the picture? The difference in quality may be more in the case of a PC since its normal output is optimized, but the problem will be there in alll sources which are not 1024x768. Right?
Yes, the problems I am referring to are basically for people using a PC as an output device. The HTPC crowd takes scaling very seriously because the scaling and post processing that can be done will rival or surpass that of any high-end consumer level product, so they want to be sure nothing is done to the signal after it is sent to the display.

If you're using a sat or cable box, by all means you are always going to be letting the TV do the scaling. Stations broadcast in different formats (CBS is 1080i, ABC is 720P for example) so unless you have a seperate display for each format, your cable/sat box is going to rescale to one format if it's set that way (720P for example), then your TV will rescale it yet again to it's native resolution.
post #42 of 717
Anyone heard anything about this 42" plasma display? Here's their web page

http://orcom.co.kr/42t2.asp

pcconnection is selling it in the us
post #43 of 717
Threads Merged!

Dave
post #44 of 717
In response to an email I sent last night.
Response in 24 hours!


Dear "BayAreaFan"

Thank you for your kind interest to our company and products.

1. Please confirm that the TV uses the LG Plasma Screen.

-> We are using both Samsung and LG PDP Module. The model is applied LG Module.


2. Can you tell me who (company) is the source of the electronics on this set?

-> We receive the Power supply with PDP module and the supplying company is UNICON Co.


3. I downloaded the manual from the Korean website and noticed that there is no way to control the R, G, B settings or the color saturation/tint in the DVI/RGB input modes. Can the end-user go to the system mode to control these settings?

-> The R, G, B settings are fixed when the product is dispatched from factory. But Tint can be adjustable in NTSC system.


4. What kind of 3:2 pull down film conversion are you using (Faroudja, Custom implementation)?

-> We are not using Faroudja Chip.

5. Is there a review available for this set on the web (Korean would be fine)? A review about other Plasma TVs manufactured by OrCom and sold by other companys (3G/Gemstar etc.)?

-> Unfortunately, we have no information about the user's review.

I hope my answer will be helpful to your decision.

Best regards

S.H. 'Eddie' Choi
Manager / Marketing & Sales Team

ORCOM, Co. LTD
5F, Pyeong Chon IT Venture Center
1113-1, Daran-dong, Dongan-gu,
Anyang city, Kyonggi-do, Korea

Tel : 82-31-388-5553
Fax : 82-31-381-0713
M.P : 82-11-9990-9865

E-mail : eddie@orcom.co.kr
post #45 of 717
Sorry if this was already posted. There is a slamming deal on this 42 inch HD plasma monitor over at PC connection. Does anyone have more info on the panel?
post #46 of 717
Yes it has been posted about 10 times already. Please do a search first!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=543321
post #47 of 717
This price has nothing to do with the "tuner mandate". Nothing in the tuner mandate requires people to unload inventory before the date. You will see plenty of sets introduced before 6/30 sold after 6/30 without tuners.
post #48 of 717
well i did do a search on 3g and on the model name and nothing came up.

:eek: :confused:
post #49 of 717
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Dave
post #50 of 717
rogo:

Can you elaborate on the tuner mandate?
What determines when a model is "introduced"?

The manuals for this model are dated Apr 26 2005 so they still seem to be finalizing things.
post #51 of 717
The tuner mandate barely has the force of law and the earlier deadlines have been flaunted.

I can tell you two things:

(1) You'll be able to buy tuner-less HD sets after the deadline.

(2) Models introduced before the deadline will continue to be produced after the deadline.

What more is there to say? Even if this TV is delayed until July they might well introduce it without an HD tuner and without any sanction.
post #52 of 717
Wow. This is a very tempting deal.

Ultimately I want a 1080p set but this price + the free shipping is hard to overlook. I'm quite torn. :o

I wish we had some more info/review to make some of us more at ease before we take/think about taking the plunge. To be honest though, if the price were ~ 1k it would be on its way to my place yesterday. :D
post #53 of 717
The deal is very interesting. I am looking for a good tv to play videogames and maybe hook to a computer. I was thinking LCD because of burn in, but this may be the deal I need

Not to hijack, Any LCD around 42 inch to 50 inch in 2000 price range? If not I may swipe the CreditCard.

Cory
post #54 of 717
Quote:
Originally Posted by colleycol
I am looking for a good tv to play videogames and maybe hook to a computer.
Both of those reasons favor an LCD, not a plasma with rectangular pixels. For the 2K price range you mentioned, you can get the new 37" 1080P LCD panels which are great as computer monitors.
post #55 of 717
Quote:
Originally Posted by BayAreaFan
Could you elaborate more on the rectangular pixel issue?
Why is it an issue with with HTPC only?
What about regular cable etc?
1024x768 is not a standard anyway (not 720p or 480i/p). Wouldnt the internal scalar be used for all sources?
Or are their options available from cable boxes and DVD players to produce the output at 1024x768?

I just wanted to comment on scaling and HTPC issues.

First of all, only 1080p plasma (and the rare 720p panel by ?) will map directly to HDTV content, all others will involve some kind of scalling.

1024x768 is actually one of the easiest resolutions to get 1:1 map for with your HTPC because it is so popular and not much tweaking should be needed.

When upscaling dvd's you just need to account for the rectangular pixels to get the aspect ratio back. And if you are just using it for video playback rectangular pixels are not a problem.

The problem comes into play if you want to play games, browse the web or use other apps. For those cases the image would be streched wider than normal and you would probably need to switch resolutions (1280x768, etc) to correct for it.
post #56 of 717
Chris,

Can you steer me in the direction of some sets in that price range with 1080p?
post #57 of 717
I think this set is in the right price range for me. The only items that I worry about are PQ and reliability. Given that, I have some questions for the gurus:

- Responding to BayAreaFan's e-mail they were a little cryptic (to me - the newb) when that claimed they are using a Samsung or LG PDP module. (I suspect the LG is what we would see given the flyer posted in here). Is the PDP module the electronics that run the PDP, or are the terms PDP module and PDP kinda the same thing?

- Is it possible to compare this PDP to other sets using the same PDP and get an idea of the expected picture quality? If I go see an LG Plasma will I get a feel for picture quality?

- How about reliability? Does that carry over to similar set using the same PDP? If the underlying electronics are different I understand how that could affect things, but I'm thinking longevity of the panels and such.

- It sounds as if this price isn't due to the "tuner mandate". Does anyone have any idea what's driving this then? Is this the start of the price drops I think people are expecting by the end of the year?

- Does anyone own ANY 3G plasmas? How are they as a company - do they just rebadge? How are they with warranties? Are they going to be around in 1 year if I have a problem?

- Has anyone already pulled the trigger on this? How many are they selling? How close to quota are they? (if you asked of course)


Thanks guys,

Snewo
post #58 of 717
Quote:
Originally Posted by colleycol
Chris,

Can you steer me in the direction of some sets in that price range with 1080p?

Lots of discussion in this forum, on the same page actually.

Here's 15 pages worth:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=531808
post #59 of 717
Quote:
Originally Posted by shigaloo
I just wanted to comment on scaling and HTPC issues.
First of all, only 1080p plasma (and the rare 720p panel by ?) will map directly to HDTV content, all others will involve some kind of scalling.

1024x768 is actually one of the easiest resolutions to get 1:1 map for with your HTPC because it is so popular and not much tweaking should be needed.

It's not about "mapping to HDTV content", HDTV standards have different vertical resolutions and pretty much any horizontal resolution since they aren't specified. It's about using the PC to scale the image and bypass the scaler in the TV. Since PC's don't produce rectangular pixels, it is impossible to get a 1:1 pixel map without a distorted image. Sure you can send it 1024X768 which is native resolution, but it will stretch that 4:3 image to 16X9. In order to get a correctly proportioned image, you need to send this TV a widescreen resolution which will then be rescaled by the internal scaler in the TV.

The TV doesn't have to be 1080P or 720P, even the 1366X768 plasmas can work great with HTPC's, because they use square pixels.
post #60 of 717
FWIW:

Auction # 5779192388 in EBay is for this item at $1849 + $149 shipping. He has taken a section of the original flyer and posted it. One more reason not to by from Ebay.

A cool $600 profit for the seller. I love free enterprise.
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