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post #31 of 116
Here is the address to their site with the PDF spec sheet.

http://us.lge.com/Product/prodlist.d...l=3archivedYn=

I can get either the LG or a Sony 30" KV30HS420 for the price of $900. Which of these two do you think is the better deal. I haven't really heard too much about the LG yet. Both sets seem to be able to accept 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i. I do like that the LG has the optical input and outputs and the tuners. Plus on the LG site I saw the the waranty was for 2 years labor and parts. I just havn't heard enough about their reliability.
post #32 of 116
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Originally Posted by DB2
I've seen this problem come up on various forums for various display devices. The general consensus is that the dark look is the natural look of these shows. CSI is the one that I've seen mentioned the most. There's a good chance that there is nothing wrong with the picture you're seeing. My advice would be to calibrate with a proper dvd and be done!
The problem is different inputs often look different on a lot of TV's. I don't know if this is true of LG's sets, but it's true of my Samsung. I set things up with Video Essentials and DVD's look amazing now, and I then made all the same changes to my other inputs. HDTV now looks great too, but there is a definite and noticeable difference if I watch OTA vs. my cable box over component, and while my colors came up absolutely perfect on the Video Essentials DVD after adjustment, there is still some noticeable extra red on OTA broadcasts (not on DVD over DVI or cable over component).

So calibration DVD's really aren't the be-all, end-all. I think INHD or one of those channels still broadcasts test patterns over HDTV, but that's probably not going to help with an OTA tuner input. I don't think there's really any way to calibrate OTA HDTV right now, at least none that I can think of.

wizardofwoz: to answer your Q above, I'd really recommend an OTA tuner if you live in an area with good coverage. This despite my comments above. OTA is really the only way you're guaranteed to get a 100% true quality signal - AFAIK all satellite and even some cable companies now do both rate shaping and bit rate cutting on their HDTV shows (there's also the "HD-Lite" controversy, where DirecTV and maybe others are even re-sizing their 1080i to 1280x1080).

I do watch OTA sometimes even with my cable box... for one thing, there's one local channel that my cable company doesn't carry in HD and they just happen to be the channel that the Mets play on :) For another, though, it's a good reference to check quality vs. what the cable company is sending me.
post #33 of 116
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Originally Posted by badasscat
I don't think there's really any way to calibrate OTA HDTV right now, at least none that I can think of.
I don't mean to argue but that is why I said just calibrate with a dvd and be done. That seems to be the best we can do right now. Yes, HDNET does broadcast test patterns (I think daily) but we could all drives ourselves crazy trying to find a way to calibrate each input and signal differently. At some point you have to be comfortable with the adjustments, sit back and enjoy!
post #34 of 116
Thank you all for your input. It's pretty obvious that I need to get a calibration DVD to deal with my issues, or call somebody out.... I feel kind of funny about that, since I bought the set at Best Buy, then found out a local mom and pop TV store sells the same unit, and probably calibrates each set as well.

wizardofwaz mentioned the in and out optical digital ports. I find them to be a godsend, as my 1998-vintage Sony ES receiver doesn't allow you to mix analog and digital ports (no digital REC OUT from an analog source, and vice-versa), much to the chagrin of my DAT and CD burners.

Another quirk in my system is that TimeWarner broadcasts channels 1-99 in analog, requiring that I use a component cable and a regular 2 channel RCA phono cable to receive those channels, making me switch the input from HDMI to Component manually.However, unlike my receiver, the LG digitizes the analog sound and makes it available on the optical output.
post #35 of 116
I just ordered one of these sets after seeing it at Best Buy. The idiots at Best Buy didn't have one in stock, and told me that I would have to pay for the TV in full and wait until July to take delivery! Hmmm! I ordered it online from Fotoconnection, who claims to have the set in stock: we shall see if it shows up or not. At any rate: the 30FZ4D looked amazingly good, especially for the price, and having the ASTC/QAM tuner onboard is a real plus. I am curious to find out if anyone has had one of these sets professionally calibrated yet, and are they having geometric or gray-scale issues with the set?
post #36 of 116
This set does look great. I wish they made it in a 34" size though.
post #37 of 116
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Originally Posted by cgorra
I ordered it online from Fotoconnection, who claims to have the set in stock: we shall see if it shows up or not
They have a terrible reputation. It doesn't get much worse.

http://www.resellerratings.com/seller3471.html

We will cross our fingers for you but it looks pretty grim.
post #38 of 116
To echo another poster, if they made a similar 34" unit I'd be interested...
post #39 of 116
you can see the business store front if you want
http://donwiss.com/pictures/BrooklynStores/

I would probably just cancel my order though and then look at the pictures
post #40 of 116
I don't know if this store is shown on that website. It isn't really a guide as it is not updated regularly and these stores change their names a lot anyway. Going by the comments over at ResellerRatings he's probably going to eventually have to file a chargeback with his credit card company in order to get his money back. What is it with Brooklyn anyway? It's too bad they have all decided to set up shop there. I feel sorry for any legitimate dealers located there.
post #41 of 116
Whoops, I guess it is shown after all.

One Stop Cameras & Electronics
InoaX
fotoconnection.com
ephotoclub.com
thewizstore.com
ritebuys.com
1stopcamera.com

All the same people. They have family members open up various shops and once their reputation has become damaged beyond repair they move on to a new one. It seems they make their money off overcharging, restocking fees and interest.
post #42 of 116
Do you guys know if the LG brand is reliable? One person I know said they're products don't last very long.
post #43 of 116
Is there anything new about the 5th Gen tuners other than better reception capability?
post #44 of 116
vspectra and AVjam,

I wish I could shed some more light on your questions, but I really can't

So far the biggest issue I've noticed on these TVs PQ-wise is washed out blacks. The shadow mask (?) seems to pick up alot of ambient light from surrounding illumination. So you're probably gonna need a fairly dark room with carefully positioned lights to see decent blacks or vibrant colors on these LGs.
post #45 of 116
I stopped at the local best buy and noticed the pictured was stretched while the Sony picture below it was not. I told them I wanted to see an HD picture and was told that the LG tuner could not receive the BB HD signal. I told them that I wouldn't buy it 'cause it's tuner might not pick up my signal at home.
post #46 of 116
Not sure what the BB guy was smoking...I live about 20 miles from towers here and I get all the major OTA HD stations just fine (ABC,NBC,CBS,FOX,PBS,UPN) with an indoor antenna and this TV, and when I scouted this tv out at BB beforehand, it was showing the HD signal just fine alongside the Sony.
post #47 of 116
I just want to know does this TV support XDS via cable and also does the QAM tuner work? I just got done returning a samsung TV which was advertised as clear-QAM enabled and never worked...
post #48 of 116
My BB had the LG next to a 34" Sony and it looked great, actually a little better. I think the Sony was two steps down from the 34XBR960 whichever model that is. I think the cabinet design is real nice too. There was a crowd gathered around it so I guess they agree.
post #49 of 116
I got one of the LGs a couple days ago.... I returned a 32" Samsung 4:3 HDTV because the DVI connection was giving me a double arced rainbow (RGB) pattern from th bottom of the screen to about the middle....

I like the wide screen and the style of the LG but... The PQ is jagy from OTA HD signals when there is fast action on the screen.... (Most noticable in "Jakers!" and other programs on the Orange County PBS station 50 in my area Los Angeles, CA)

I really didn't notice these jagys or blocked large pixles on the Samsung??

Any Ideas??

Also, where is a good place to get a decent deal on AVIA. And would this be a good way to sweeten up the picture??

Also, do you think the jagys would go away with Digital Cable?? Satallite?


Thanks!!


Other than that jagyness, I like the TV! The sound out of the set is greater and the menu controls are easier than the Samsung.

I just wonder? I have the optical out to my 7.1 channel reciever and sometimes the sound is alittle out of sync.... (Lags a bit behing pic...) any suggestions??


Thanks,

Joe
post #50 of 116
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I really didn't notice these jagys or blocked large pixles on the Samsung??

Any Ideas??

Also, where is a good place to get a decent deal on AVIA. And would this be a good way to sweeten up the picture??

Also, do you think the jagys would go away with Digital Cable?? Satallite?
most probably the source, not all HD is created equally

DVE is cheaper and will help you calibrate the TV the same as AVIA

I picked up my copy at Amazon for 17 or 18 dollars
post #51 of 116
On the LG HDTV, I put a Lucal Films DVD in my OppoDigital DVD Player.. (via s-video, need to get DVI\\HDMI cable) It has the THX Optomizer test on it... on the second test, the one with the THX text in the center and the white boxes on the sides, the right bottom of the screen is yellowish and the left top of the screen seems vaugley cyan...

On the sharpness test, the vertical lines across the bottom of the screen are not all straight. Is that a "Geometry Problem??

Also, the center of the screen is much more crisp that the sides (especially the left side). Is that a convergence issue?

The top lest of the screen has a faint dark spot....

Fields of like color look a bit snowy or mottled...

How would these be resolved? or is one just stuck with those glitches?

BTW, is an 800 Series Monster DVI to HDMI cable worth the $150?? any second choice?
post #52 of 116
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Originally Posted by LA_Joe

BTW, is an 800 Series Monster DVI to HDMI cable worth the $150?? any second choice?
bluejeans cable sells really good inexpensive, DVI and HDMI cables. I bought a Monster and replaced it with a bluejeans and the picture quality improved.
post #53 of 116
Thanks Johnny,

Anyone have any advice for these issues:

Quote:
On the LG HDTV, I put a Lucal Films DVD in my OppoDigital DVD Player.. (via s-video, need to get DVI\\HDMI cable) It has the THX Optomizer test on it... on the second test, the one with the THX text in the center and the white boxes on the sides, the right bottom of the screen is yellowish and the left top of the screen seems vaugley cyan...

On the sharpness test, the vertical lines across the bottom of the screen are not all straight. Is that a "Geometry Problem??

Also, the center of the screen is much more crisp that the sides (especially the left side). Is that a convergence issue?

The top lest of the screen has a faint dark spot....

Fields of like color look a bit snowy or mottled...

How would these be resolved? or is one just stuck with those glitches?
post #54 of 116
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BTW, is an 800 Series Monster DVI to HDMI cable worth the $150?? any second choice?
HELL NO!!!

Ramelectronics has a AVS member powerbuy
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=532289

these are very nice cables
I use one connecting my HTPC to my Sony

also if you did not know Monster has sued Monster job service, Chicago Bears(Monsters on the Midway, since the 50s), and any one else big or small that uses the name Monster in their company name or slogan

put small companies selling used clothing and other industries out of business
for they cannot afford the millions needed to fight those bastards in court
post #55 of 116
For you guys that own this TV, can you hook up an OTA antenna and your cable feed to the separate RF inputs and scan for OTA and QAM at the same time? Or is it like most TV's with integrated tuners where its either or, QAM or OTA, but not both at the same time.
post #56 of 116
I have my cable coming in through a HD cable box, but I can tell you that when the TV does a channel scan, it scans for both OTA and cable channels at the same time and are compiled into a master list of available channels. For example, you could have channel 3 from your analog OTA, channel 3-1 from the digital OTA, and channel 3 from cable that the TV names CATV-3. niggenz I don't know if that helps you out or not. Is that what you are asking? The coax cable only stretches far enough the cable box, not enough to the TV so I can't directly test scanning for cable.
post #57 of 116
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Originally Posted by kny3twalker
HELL NO!!!

also if you did not know Monster has sued Monster job service, Chicago Bears(Monsters on the Midway, since the 50s), and any one else big or small that uses the name Monster in their company name or slogan ,put small companies selling used clothing and other industries out of business for they cannot afford the millions needed to fight those bastards in court
Is this true? I just hated them for renaming Candlestick Park into Monster Park. I hate companies that do this. It symbolizes everything wrong with the sport.
post #58 of 116
Hmmm.....I had previously thought it was monster.com that did that. Since they paid $6 million for the naming rights for 4 years, I can almost see their point.
post #59 of 116
does anyone know stupid LG 30FZ4D tricks? 8^)

my dad picked this up and I set it up for him since I"m the technology wiz in the family. I'd like to know how to change the channel labeling (not the graphic icon for the channel, the actual channel name that is normally received in the digital signal). a local station is running "DTV1, DTV2, DTV3, DTV4" and I'd like to rename it to PBS ..., PBS ..., etc for the appropriate services instead of having to tell him that if he wants PBS YOU, you'll have to tune the channel that says DTVx.

is there a way to tune a single digital carrier at a time? a local station added a secondary video service to their channel but I have to do a full scan just to add a new service on one channel (and the LG tuner has missed it twice at that!). if I can tune that one service until the LG finally scans in the secondary service, all would be good.

finally, how about a way to upload updated logos? if it was a common enough computer format (BMP, JPG, etc) , it shouldn't be hard to use a program to write it into the right place in the LG memory I would think.
post #60 of 116
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Originally Posted by mrjktcvs
Hmmm.....I had previously thought it was monster.com that did that. Since they paid $6 million for the naming rights for 4 years, I can almost see their point.
Nope, it was Monster Cable that renamed the park unless Monster.com did it first and then Monster Cable bought it from them...

http://www.monsterpark.com/

Sounds like an amusement park or something. Comiskey Park is now US Cellular Field. Ooh, that's catchy.
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