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post #151 of 703
I thought I should give you guys an update on the problems I had with my 7400 and more specifically Service Wide Technolgies.

When AC4l.com received a copy of my e-mail to Marantz, the owner, Mark Sabbarese, got involved immediately. Sent me two e-mails and asked me to call One, Mark informed me that he forwarded a copy of my e-mail to Marantz. 2 he spoke to the owner of Service Wide and he advised that it would be taken care of ASAP. The damage to the FL screen was done in shipping and they would have to get with UPS before shipping unit back to me.

Service Wide owner, John called me this morning and left me his cell # asking that I call. When I got to talk to him he readily admitted that they dropped the ball and now that they were aware of it they got the unit fixed immediately and are shipping it out today to me at no cost.

My feelings are that we all make mistakes on ocassions and in this case Service Wide did not attempt to make excuses and responded quickly to correct the error. As previous posts indicated the first repair was done in a very timely manner and it is obvious that the damage I experienced with the screen was not caused by Service Wide. As for AC4l.com, I could not be happier with a retailer and I would not hesitate to deal with them again and would go further to highly recommend them as an excellent source of Marantz products.
post #152 of 703
Daffy, can you PM me or list the email address given to you for Marantz? I would love to be able to send them an inquiry about my problem.
post #153 of 703
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Originally Posted by tokerblue View Post

Personally, I wouldn't spend that much on any receiver that didn't have HDMI inputs... especially with the HD-DVD/BluRay players coming out shortly.

Couldn't you play that game every year and just never buy anything? I'm not buying now because THE NEXT BIG THING is right around the corner. I haven't bought a receiver in 18 years. THE NEXT BIG THING probably isn't my top priority.
post #154 of 703
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Originally Posted by sethwas View Post

right,
7.1 is basically just another input. Why they didn't treat it that way on the panel and remote is beyond me.

Seth

Agree, quite ennoying. Noticed the new SR-9600 inherits the same problem, although at least it has a separate ON and OFF command (remote only) so at least I'd be able to learn the codes into my Pronto.
Will probably order the 9600 next week from HK.
post #155 of 703
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Originally Posted by tokerblue View Post

> That's the big question. Will they allow the high resolution audio formats to be output over toslink or coaxial?

Any engineers or electronics experts here that can comment on this? Does digital coax or toslink have the CAPABILITY to transport 7.1 audio? I realize that we don't know if makers will allow for that, but is it capable of doing this on the bandwith it supports?
Thanks,
Pat
post #156 of 703
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by patnshan View Post

Any engineers or electronics experts here that can comment on this? Does digital coax or toslink have the CAPABILITY to transport 7.1 audio? I realize that we don't know if makers will allow for that, but is it capable of doing this on the bandwith it supports?
Thanks,
Pat

I'm not an expert, but I believe S/PDIF as a format doesn't.

However, optical cable and coaxial cable, even Ethernet cable, has the data capability (bandwidth) in computer applications.

The leading theories are that DD+/DTS HD will be carried either by a new version of HDMI or 8-channel analog inputs a la SACD/DVD-A. Won't that be lovely.
post #157 of 703
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Originally Posted by Fraoch View Post

I'm not an expert, but I believe S/PDIF as a format doesn't.

However, optical cable and coaxial cable, even Ethernet cable, has the data capability (bandwidth) in computer applications.

The leading theories are that DD+/DTS HD will be carried either by a new version of HDMI or 8-channel analog inputs a la SACD/DVD-A. Won't that be lovely.

OK. So 8 channel analog inputs meaning the 7.1 inputs on the 8400? So a firmware upgrade from Marantz and we should be good to go?

Pat
post #158 of 703
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Originally Posted by Daffy View Post

I thought I should give you guys an update on the problems I had with my 7400 and more specifically Service Wide Technolgies...

Daffy,
Thanks for letting us know about their exemplary service. It's a rarity these days! More importantly, let us know how it works when you get it. I hope your problems are solved and you can enjoy your Marantz.

Doug
post #159 of 703
if they wanted to be snazzy, they could inherit a firewire/usb style data transfer. Mind you the bandwidth is only 480mb/s.
But it's standard.
Now with SATA for HD's there is tremendous throughput which I'm sure is overkill for home audio, but it's a cheap and small solution.
Lastly is HDMI used for a different purpose.

Seth
post #160 of 703
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by patnshan View Post

OK. So 8 channel analog inputs meaning the 7.1 inputs on the 8400? So a firmware upgrade from Marantz and we should be good to go?

Pat

Not even a firmware update would be required...simply plug in the EXT. IN inputs and you're good to go.

Like an SACD/DVD-A player without iLink, the decoding and smarts would be in the player. The receiver would be acting like a preamp and amp.

This is all speculation at this point - the only thing for certain is that it won't be carried via conventional S/PDIF as it's not physically capable of transporting a 7.1 stream.
post #161 of 703
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Originally Posted by Fraoch View Post

Not even a firmware update would be required...simply plug in the EXT. IN inputs and you're good to go.

Like an SACD/DVD-A player without iLink, the decoding and smarts would be in the player. The receiver would be acting like a preamp and amp.

This is all speculation at this point - the only thing for certain is that it won't be carried via conventional S/PDIF as it's not physically capable of transporting a 7.1 stream.

Thanks. That was my original question, and you answered it. Too bad, really It would be nice to continue the one cable audio thing, it just won't be that one coax.

Pat
post #162 of 703
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by patnshan View Post

Thanks. That was my original question, and you answered it. Too bad, really It would be nice to continue the one cable audio thing, it just won't be that one coax.

Pat

S/PDIF 2.0, I wonder?

The cable itself is physically capable of it, the protocol isn't.
post #163 of 703
Question about the SR7400. A friend has this receiver and wants to run two additional sets of speakers out of it, in addition to the 5 channels it will be driving in the main room. The receiver has both a set of pre - outs that I can run to an amp, and then a set of speakers to it, as well as two additional channels of amplification that can be used either in addition to the other five in the same room, or somewhere else entirely.

I'm a bit inexperienced w/multiroom setups and the manual isn't fully clear to me -- it looks as though with an additional amp, I can run two additional speaker sets out of this receiver -- am I missing something? And can I run the same source into both of these sets of speakers? Lastly, it looks like the volume is separately controllable for each, one using 'multi volume' and the other using 'mspkr vol' -- again, am I missing something?

Last question -- is there some kind of inline rheostat I can cut into speaker wire that modulates volume?

Thanks all, sorry for the long post.
post #164 of 703
Thread Starter 
I don't use the multiroom feature on my 7400, but I think you answered most of your own questions. If you only use 5 speakers in the main room, then you have two ways of powering two more zones of two speakers each:

- the multiroom preout
- the extra amps for the rear channels

There's also another way, the front speakers are in an A/B set. If the impedances of both speaker sets are 8 ohm or higher, you can power both simultaneously. If they are 4-ohm speakers, you have to power either one or the other.

I think (not entirely sure here) that the same source will be sent to all 4 zones. Some AVRs can route a seperate source to the multi-room outputs, I'm not sure if the 7400 can.

Note that the extra amps and the A/B speaker settings are entirely controlled by the 7400's tone and volume controls. The preout is not. In order to use the preout you either need a preamp with an amp or an integrated amp. You can't use a rheostat in the line, you need a preamp and amp.
post #165 of 703
(Crossposted from the other Marantz thread which I saw before this one)

1. Someone a few months ago was comparing the video bandwidth of the Denon vs the Marantz. The Denon list 100MHz but that is at -3db. The Marantz list them as 80MHz but at -1db. It is likely that the Marantz is better than the Denon when it comes to the frequencies of interest (< 80MHz).

2. I have an SR8400 picked up on ubid. I am feeding 9.1 speakers:
A 5.1 in the HT
A 2.0 in Living Room
A 2.0 in the Bedroom

The Bedroom will use the dual room powered output (Channels 6 and 7) on the 7.1. The Living room will be on Speaker B of the main 2.1 system.

However the speaker configs between A and B are very different.
A are Rocket Onix 750 Signature and have a Rocket UFW-10 to help.
B are Paradigm In-Ceiling SA-30 (2 driver).

The setup does not seem to allow different settings for Speaker A and B in the 2.1 configuration menu of the SR8400.

Any thoughts on how to set this system up so that I can switch between A and B without having to reprogram the 2.1 settings via the OSD everytime?
post #166 of 703
Bump!
Any thoughts on how to solve the mis-matching A/B dilemma?
post #167 of 703
Hopefully this is the last installment of my repair saga. I just received my 7400 back today. It would appear that it did not leave the repair facility when promised but in their defense, they did send it 2nd day air on Tuesday since Monday was a holiday so I can't be upset about that.

Upon receipt, I immediately noticed that it was packed in a different box that was packed better than the original packing. the unit looked brand new so I am sure that all the dust was removed. I hooked it up and immediately was relieved that the FL panel was functioning and it then proceeded to hook up everything. End result it is operating fine so I am a happy man. Listened to a portion of "Master and Commander" on my Axioms and it sounded great. Godson was here for the night so we watched Peter Pan and everything sounded fine. My hat is off to Service Wide for stepping up to the plate when they discovered their error and for all the help that AC4L.com.
post #168 of 703
Quote:
Originally Posted by jetmonkey View Post

Couldn't you play that game every year and just never buy anything? I'm not buying now because THE NEXT BIG THING is right around the corner. I haven't bought a receiver in 18 years. THE NEXT BIG THING probably isn't my top priority.

> You could play this game every year, but new connections aren't created every year. Especially ones that will be required for HD-DVD/BluRay playback. My post was simply my opinion on what I would do, especially already being a SR-7400 owner.
post #169 of 703
different subject,
my 8400 doesn't 'night mode' dts. Is this a marantz thing, or a dts thing.
At least I don't think it does.

Seth
post #170 of 703
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sethwas View Post

different subject,
my 8400 doesn't 'night mode' dts. Is this a marantz thing, or a dts thing.
At least I don't think it does.

Seth

I think dynamic compression is only applicable to Dolby Digital? At least, my previous Denon receivers also couldn't apply "night mode" to DTS.
post #171 of 703
Guys,

If I'm not mistaken, some of the newer receivers (maybe the HK AVR-635?), the new Denon 5805, to name a couple, now have the ability to apply night mode (compression) while in DTS mode. That would be a nice feature to have since admittedly, I prefer DTS over DD. DPL-IIX mode has impressed me though and the more time I spend listening to my Marantz SR-8400, the more I think that it is really an outstanding receiver. Happy and impressed so far.
post #172 of 703
figured because i just did top gun 2 nights ago and pirates of the carr. last night both in dts and night mode didn't seem to do a thing although the receiver said it was 'on'. Strange, if it won't compress, why tell you it is?

Seth
post #173 of 703
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sethwas View Post

figured because i just did top gun 2 nights ago and pirates of the carr. last night both in dts and night mode didn't seem to do a thing although the receiver said it was 'on'. Strange, if it won't compress, why tell you it is?

Seth

Yeah, that is kinda kooky.

Manual, page 23:

Quote:


Selecting the Night Mode ON is effective in Dolby Digital only

It's one of those LCD buttons on the remote. AMP mode, page 3.
post #174 of 703
Sethwas,

You have the SR-8400 also right? If so, the SR-8400 isn't capable of applying night mode compression in DTS. Maybe the newer Marantz can but not the 7400/8400 series.
post #175 of 703
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Kapolei01 View Post

Sethwas,

You have the SR-8400 also right? If so, the SR-8400 isn't capable of applying night mode compression in DTS. Maybe the newer Marantz can but not the 7400/8400 series.

You got me curious so I looked at the manuals for the 7500 and 8500 but neither of them can apply dynamic compression to DTS either.

The notice is on page 25 of both manuals.
post #176 of 703
Fraoch,

That's what I figured because one of the first things I wanted to know about the 8400 was if it had the ability to apply night mode while in DTS mode. I was a little dissapointed but otherwise I'm happy so far.
post #177 of 703
i dont use night mode at all, ive listened in the night mode but i figured i like the full throttle thing much better. i mostly watch movies at late hours usually at -10 to -15dbs , love it.
post #178 of 703
in a small condo with 2 20-39pci's and no ceiling isolation you really need the night mode when watching after 10 p.m.

Seth
post #179 of 703
In the market for a new receiver, trying to decide between the 5500/7500 but would like to find an 8400. Does anyone know if their are going to be anymore on UBID, wish I had been looking then. The refurbished 8400's listed on AC4L.com are $700 and only carry a yr warranty. I do however like the additional inputs that the 7500 has..If anyone has any opinons on the above receivers please let me know. My current receiver is Denon 3200, my speakers are PSB image 4t. I've been looking at the Harmon Kardon line but I think I like the marantz better, any opions??? Thanks.
post #180 of 703
Thread Starter 
If you're asking which one is better, h/k or Marantz, on a Marantz thread, be aware that there may be some biased opinions.

The differences between the 7500/5500 and the 8400 are:

- 8400 toroidal transformer, 7500, 5500 EI
- 8400 copper-plated, shielded chassis
- 8400 HDCD decoder
- 8400 gold-plated connectors (it IS listed very prominently for some reason)
- 7500 105W/ch, 8400 110W/ch (yeah, I know, but with a toroidal transformer to back them up, those may be 110 "more honest" Watts on the 8400)
- 7500 THX Select certified, if that's important to you (not on 5500)
- 7500 M.C.A.C. (auto setup, room EQ) (not on 5500)
- 7500, 5500 lip-synch delay
- 7500, 5500 Dolby Headphone

The 7500 and 8400 remotes have different part numbers, yet look the same according to the manual. The 5500's is completely different.

The 7500 also has biamping capability.

Regarding more 8400s on ubid, it's been a while since any have gone through. However Marantz's website still lists the 8400 as a current product, although that may not be a good indication.
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