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post #1261 of 4395
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Originally Posted by chinadog View Post

I bought the 150 foot, which included like 4 power courses, connectors, end caps, etc. I used on of the 6 foot connectors for mine, just have it laid flat on the cove. Are you thinking of getting a custom length? Not sure on the twist on caps.

Bud

I am considering that. I only need like 60'. Thats about $70 from novelty lights. Might be worth then extra $35 to have a spare 90' for "future" projects (or to replace this rope lighting when it burns out).

I may also go LED rope lighting, but 60' of that would cost me about $400 from this place http://www.wiedamark.com/. Good stuff but may be a bit pricey for such a small length.
post #1262 of 4395
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Tank,

I've heard you can use 3/4 inch without a problem. The linacoustic will compress some. I was originally going to use 2X lumber and rip them down to 1" furring strips, but found 5/4 (five quarter) lumber at Home Depot in the hardwood section. It's actual width is 1". I think its about 4-5 inches wide and 9 feet long. I just ripped/beveled them in half for the middle of the wall seams, but used them full width around the areas that I'll install the molding over. I didn't plan on a chair rail to hide the seams. Depending on how it comes out, I can also go back and add it to break it up some.

The GOM is pretty tough. I tried to pull it off a spot where I put a staple in it and it took a good yank. Its got some stretch to it, but not that much. Sagging and stretching should not be a problem if it's secured properly. It does cut pretty easily though, so sharp objects are a no-no.

On the batting, I think people think they need to put something behind the GOM to fill the void. There is some acoustic properties for highs with batting as well. I originally was going to Linacoustic the soffits, but decided not to do so after speaking with Bryan about it. I was then stuck with a void behind the soffit GOM of 1", but you'd never tell. It's pretty tight. I have the batting in the other room. Bryan's analysis doesn't call for it, so I'm not putting it up.

Bud
post #1263 of 4395
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Originally Posted by swithey View Post

I am considering that. I only need like 60'. Thats about $70 from novelty lights. Might be worth then extra $35 to have a spare 90' for "future" projects (or to replace this rope lighting when it burns out).

I may also go LED rope lighting, but 60' of that would cost me about $400 from this place http://www.wiedamark.com/. Good stuff but may be a bit pricey for such a small length.

I like to have the spare stuff for when/if any sections burn out. I can replace it in no time flat. I only need about 40 feet, so that's enough to replace it two times. I also have it for those other occasions when I need it.
post #1264 of 4395
If you want something behind the GOM just for rigidity purposes, I've seen some people use styro- board 1" thick. It's basically inert acoustically but will tend to damp the drywall which would negate any positive effect in terms of bass absorbtion. All a matter of priorities.
post #1265 of 4395
I bought a 150' spool of clear. As everyone already knows, the clear yellows over time. I replace my rope every couple of years. You will use whats left on future projects as well.
post #1266 of 4395
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Originally Posted by swithey View Post

I may also go LED rope lighting, but 60' of that would cost me about $400 from this place http://www.wiedamark.com/. Good stuff but may be a bit pricey for such a small length.

What product are you specifically looking at there? I'm looking at the LED flex neon http://www.wiedamark.com/index.asp?P...S&Category=139
Anyone have any experience with this?
post #1267 of 4395
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My 35W PARs arrived for my 4" cans today. I needed five, but you have to buy by the case. So, I ended up with 15! Not a problem, I'll have neough for the next 10 years. They're much cheaper to buy online, even if you have to get a case. I bought these through PECLamp.com and they were less than 3.00 each.

I also bought a case of 65W BR30 Sylvanias for the rest of the larger floods. 30 to a case, I think I neeed 21. The case was 46.50 plus shipping. I little cheaper than 7.00 a bulb at Home Depot. I got these through Goodmart.com.

When I ordered my trims and baffles, I also picked up 5 of the socket extenders for the 4" cans. Since I had to build the frames around the cans to staples the GOM to and though I'd be doing linacoustic under the soffits, I picked them up. Turns out I ended up needing them. Kinda pricey for what they are, but does the trick. Here a shot of the bulb and extender.


Although I still need to make the rings for the trims, I went ahead and installed them and the bulbs. Here's what it looks like with the third bulb and the trim now.


Flash on from the side:


Flash off from the side:


The middle buld looks a little yellowish from the picture, but in person, not a hint of yellow with me looking at it.

Bud
post #1268 of 4395
Bud-thanks so much for the quick response-I'll probably end up going the 3/4 route since I have a bunch of stock on hand. I'm hoping the linacoustic will not decompress enough to put pressure behind the GOM to cause a bulge. I need swim trunks, not a Speedo Thanks again.

Brad
post #1269 of 4395
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Originally Posted by bpape View Post

If you want something behind the GOM just for rigidity purposes, I've seen some people use styro- board 1" thick. It's basically inert acoustically but will tend to damp the drywall which would negate any positive effect in terms of bass absorbtion. All a matter of priorities.

bpape- thanks for the tip. My intention is to put the batting up for both filler and remedial sound treatment purposes from what I've gleaned in various posts on the subject (many of them yours in fact). I am such a newbie at this and trying to get my arms around all the nuances of sound properties while building my theater room is a bit like watching my 5yr old son spinning in circles until he can't stand anymore. The more I think-the more dangerous I get
post #1270 of 4395
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bdtank View Post

Bud-thanks so much for the quick response-I'll probably end up going the 3/4 route since I have a bunch of stock on hand. I'm hoping the linacoustic will not decompress enough to put pressure behind the GOM to cause a bulge. I need swim trunks, not a Speedo Thanks again.

Brad

Brad,

No problem.

Bud
post #1271 of 4395
Bud,
What brand of canned lighting did you go with? I looked through the thread but couldn't find it. I have been looking at the 5" Juno IC remodel style. Once my false wall is completed my room will be 17'X 15'. Based on what you have now, do you think 3 rows of two cans each will be enough for my room? Thanks!

Mike
post #1272 of 4395
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Mike,

I used Halo for the 6" cans, purchased from Home Depot by the box of 6. They were model number H7ICTs. The 4" cans were also Halos, model H99ICT from Lighting Fixtures & Ceiling Fans. I bought the trims and baffles for all my cans through them as well.

As far as your room dimensions are concerned, I would think so. The four cans I have is plenty for general lighting for my sized room (in addition to the accent lighting). In my other room in the basement, I used four cans per 16 foot x 12 foot section. Now if it was a kitchen, I'd say maybe not because you need task lighting. It also depends on how high your ceilings are. Lower ceiling will tend to reduce the circle of light put out by the cans (say my father-in-law).

Here's a good guide I refer to and point people to when the question comes up, hope it helps.

How to lay out recessed cans

BTW, people moan about Halo quality and rattles. I wrapped the arms of the cans with electrical tape as a precaution and have not heard a sound.

Bud
post #1273 of 4395
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Originally Posted by ginigma View Post

What product are you specifically looking at there? I'm looking at the LED flex neon http://www.wiedamark.com/index.asp?P...S&Category=139
Anyone have any experience with this?

This is what I was thinking about -- LED Rope lighting:
http://www.wiedamark.com/index.asp?P...S&Category=201

However, the flex stuff would give a really even glow across the entire length. But at $29/ft, it's little over budget for me.
post #1274 of 4395
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Milt, where are your pictures, man?

Uh, on my PC. I spend too much time looking at your thread to post them.
I plan on doing some in the near future.
I'm a little self-conscious about it I guess.

I got the Olfa cutter at Jo-Ann's Fabric.
Once again, looking good Bud!
post #1275 of 4395
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Originally Posted by swithey View Post

This is what I was thinking about -- LED Rope lighting:
http://www.wiedamark.com/index.asp?P...S&Category=201

However, the flex stuff would give a really even glow across the entire length. But at $29/ft, it's little over budget for me.

Yeah, once I put it "in the cart" and saw the price for 30ft I decided I can live without that. I'll look into regular rope lighting. Another place I found in another thread is http://www.christmaslightsetc.com/rope-light.asp
post #1276 of 4395
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OK, here's an update to my light controller situation. I did talk to a person from Smarthome the other day about the Insteon controller. She was pretty knowledgeable with their products and after going back and forth with some ideas, she recommended a Powerlinc Controller (Model 1132CU). I was a little skeptical, but understood what she was thinking. I went ahead and ordered it and it arrived yesterday.

The PowerLinc Controller is a "stand-alone home automation interface for controlling lights, appliances, heating/air conditioning systems and alarm systems" that you set up using your computer via a USB connection. It comes with software for setup, although its limited functionality because its a free version. I installed the software and plugged the unit in and away I went.

It works as advertised. I spent all this cash on an Omni Pro home automation system when the house was built and I'm amazed that you can spend 70.00 and get a lot of the same functionality.

I was able to setup scenes based on triggers for "premovie", "movietime" and "pause" pretty quickly. Basically, I have six X10 dimmers I want to control in the theater room and concession area. My controller (SMST6) that I have on the wall is fine for for controller the dimmers from the door, but for me to use it with a remote, I have to point at it (does not receive X10 signals, only transmits). Enter the PowerLinc. I set up a dummy X10 housecode (B8) for movietime and pause. When I sent the B8 address "ON", it triggers all the dimmers to the settings I want. (Rope light at 20%, riser light 20%, all other switches off). When I hit pause on the Harmony 880, it sends the signal "OFF" to the address, which triggers the "pause scene" and raises certain lights. Of course you need an IR543 to convert the IR signals from the H880 to X10 to do the scenes, but I had that already.

So far so good. I need some more time with it, but it seems to work as I want it to. You can apparently do much more with it as well. It's a decent alternative. I'll post more when I can about the setup. After programming it, I just stuck it in an outlet in my equipment closet and off we went.

Bud
post #1277 of 4395
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Originally Posted by chinadog View Post

OK, here's an update to my light controller situation. I did talk to a person from Smarthome the other day about the Insteon controller. She was pretty knowledgeable with their products and after going back and forth with some ideas, she recommended a Powerlinc Controller (Model 1132CU). I was a little skeptical, but understood what she was thinking. I went ahead and ordered it and it arrived yesterday.

It works as advertised. I spent all this cash on an Omni Pro home automation system when the house was built and I'm amazed that you can spend 70.00 and get a lot of the same functionality.

Bud,

Thanks for the detail on this item. I was hoping Insteon would come out with their own device that had functionality like this. This until is GREAT for X10, etc but it lacks the 2-way communication Insteon offers (which is why I like Insteon). I just keep saying to myself that by the time I'm ready to buy this stuff (hmm, in the next 4 weeks or so) they'll have an IR543 equivalent and something like the Powerlinc controller available. Yea, Yea -- I know, what have I've been smok'n

Please continue to tell us how it works as I may just have to get one too to get what I want unless I take the plunge and get something like Homeseer.
post #1278 of 4395
Bud,
Thats fantastic, thanks for posting about the Powerlink, I think I will also go this way instead of a Graphic Eye.

I want to insteon my entire house anyways =).
post #1279 of 4395
i just finished converting my whole house to insteon - converted all switches to keypadlincs and switchlinc dimmers and switchlinc relays. All lamps now have lamplincs. Am waiting for the new software that reads and writes to these objects. Also, waiting for motion sensors, thermostats, watering timmers and ir->rf converter - have everything working the way i want, but the software is the key - it will be out soon. All in all installed about 60 devices.

I'm very happy with the insteon - i considered x10, but prefered the newer technology for the long run.
post #1280 of 4395
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Originally Posted by swithey View Post

Bud,

Thanks for the detail on this item. I was hoping Insteon would come out with their own device that had functionality like this. This until is GREAT for X10, etc but it lacks the 2-way communication Insteon offers (which is why I like Insteon). I just keep saying to myself that by the time I'm ready to buy this stuff (hmm, in the next 4 weeks or so) they'll have an IR543 equivalent and something like the Powerlinc controller available. Yea, Yea -- I know, what have I've been smok'n

Please continue to tell us how it works as I may just have to get one too to get what I want unless I take the plunge and get something like Homeseer.

Hey Steve and Bud....keep me posted. I have the Insteon solution with the keypad dimmer as well and will be looking for the best way to control it with a remote. As of now I only have the Yamaha 2600 remote which will not do RF. Hey Bud...isn't the Harmony 880 IR only?? How do you get it to work with X10 or RF or am I better off calling Smarthome and letting them know my situation and what I am after?? Thanks guys.
post #1281 of 4395
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Originally Posted by jandawil View Post

Hey Steve and Bud....keep me posted. I have the Insteon solution with the keypad dimmer as well and will be looking for the best way to control it with a remote. As of now I only have the Yamaha 2600 remote which will not do RF. Hey Bud...isn't the Harmony 880 IR only?? How do you get it to work with X10 or RF or am I better off calling Smarthome and letting them know my situation and what I am after?? Thanks guys.

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Jon,

You can use ANY IR remote. You just need to buy the IR543 that converts IR to X10 commands.

http://www.smarthome.com/4040.HTML
post #1282 of 4395
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Originally Posted by mastiff34 View Post

I want to insteon my entire house anyways =).

Don't want to high-jack Bud's thread, but if you are doing much with Insteon, you need this software www.power-home.com I have 61 devices (20+ more to go) and over 800 links. Its linking capabilities are incredible. Without it, I would not be as far into Insteon as I am.
post #1283 of 4395
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Originally Posted by swithey View Post

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Jon,

You can use ANY IR remote. You just need to buy the IR543 that converts IR to X10 commands.

http://www.smarthome.com/4040.HTML

Got it...and than just assign X10 addresses to the Insteon dimmers????
post #1284 of 4395
Thread Starter 
I just got back to my desk. I guess I hit a chord here with the controller. Besides the posts, I got a phone call from Jason shortly after he read the post.....

Bud
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jandawil View Post

Got it...and than just assign X10 addresses to the Insteon dimmers????

Jon

You can assigned X10 addresses to Insteon devices. Check out the Smarthome link.

http://www.smarthome.com/whatisinsteon.html

I was going to orginally use the Insteon controller to control my X10 dimmer scenes. I think that would still have worked. Since the Insteon controller I was looking at could receive and transmit, I think that would have worked. I may buy one just to play around with it.

Steve is correct, you just need the IR543 to convert IR to X10.

Bud
post #1286 of 4395
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Originally Posted by herdfan View Post

Don't want to high-jack Bud's thread, but if you are doing much with Insteon, you need this software www.power-home.com I have 61 devices (20+ more to go) and over 800 links. Its linking capabilities are incredible. Without it, I would not be as far into Insteon as I am.

Thanks for that. I'll take a look when I can. I have the Omni Pro software, which really sucks. I know a lot of people use Homeseer with the Omni Pro, so will have to check for compatibility.

Bud
post #1287 of 4395
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Originally Posted by chinadog View Post

Jon

You can assigned X10 addresses to Insteon devices. Check out the Smarthome link.

http://www.smarthome.com/whatisinsteon.html

I was going to orginally use the Insteon controller to control my X10 dimmer scenes. I think that would still have worked. Since the Insteon controller I was looking at could receive and transmit, I think that would have worked. I may buy one just to play around with it.

Steve is correct, you just need the IR543 to convert IR to X10.

Bud

I have the keypad dimmer from Insteon which I believe acts as the controller. It will controll the other Insteon dimmers.

I was wanting to use the Yamaha remote for now. I just need something that will convert the IR signal to X10 so it can opperate the keypad. On your Harmony remote, when you hit pause and the lights will go to the "pause scene" is that a macro that does that?? This is one area I still need to do much research on.
post #1288 of 4395
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jandawil View Post

I have the keypad dimmer from Insteon which I believe acts as the controller. It will controll the other Insteon dimmers.

I was wanting to use the Yamaha remote for now. I just need something that will convert the IR signal to X10 so it can opperate the keypad. On your Harmony remote, when you hit pause and the lights will go to the "pause scene" is that a macro that does that?? This is one area I still need to do much research on.

Jon,

Yeah, that's the controller. but X10 stuff can receive, transmit or both. The Insteon controller is two way (receives commands), which is why I was thinking about it.

Actually, with the H880, you have activities and devices. Activities are like "Watch a DVD". Devices are your components, IR543, projector, etc. You can assign devices to a specific activity. Example. Watch a DVD requires turning on the projector, making sure its on HDMI, turning on the Receiver, changing it to the DVD setting, turning on the DVD player, starting the movie, sending a command to the IR543 (in my case B8 "on" which then activities the scene on the Powelinc I defined with my PC). I've got that working fine.

I'm playing around with the Pause functionality still. You can customize the buttons/actions for a given command. So when you hit pause on the H880, it can send separate commands to all the devices. Even though you mean "Pause the DVD player", you can customize it to do something with that same push of the pause button to all the devices defined under "Watch a DVD". In my case, because of the way the IR543 works, the last X10 command should be "B8 ON". I should be able to define the pause button for IR543 command "OFF" (meaning "B8 OFF" since it remembers the last address sent to the IR543 unless you change it). Soooo, when I hit pause on the H880 it sends a signal to the DVD player to actually pause and sends the IR543 "OFF". I have the "OFF" scene defined to raise the rope light to 50%, concession are 75%, step light 100%, stage light 35%. I just need to test that part. It should work for the "play' button, it just reissues the "ON" command back to B8. Make sense?

I'll play with it and post those results.

Bud
post #1289 of 4395
Thread Starter 
My GOM arrived for the walls! I also ordered 10 extra feet of the track and that came as well.



Bud
post #1290 of 4395
Bud - your rooms is looking great and your thread very informative.

I've been looking at these Insteon devices, are the following statements correct?

1) Each Light fixture that needs to be separately controlled should be on its own circuit and will need its own Insteon dimmer switch.

2) The Insteon controller can then be used as a 'master' switch and programed for scenes such as:
a) All On
b) Theater and Stage On, Rope off
c) Theater Dim, Stage Off, Rope On
d) Theater Dim, Stage On, Rope On

3) The Insteon dimmer switch could be in the HT closet with light 'just' controlled by the Insteon controller.

Thanks,
Mark
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