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post #241 of 4394
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Steve,

Good find and good question. Glad you brought it up. Yes, normally thats the case and you usually do the rough in electrical work then drywall then put in all the switches and outlets later. Since my father-in-law did all the electrical work and lives 1000 miles away, it was just easier to do it that way than having to make two trips. This way you can actually use the outlets and switches as well, plus we know everything works prior to the drywall going up. It allowed me to play around with where I wanted the switches, cans, etc. In the early pictures I had sconces in the HT room and later removed them. I also moved a bunch of cans several times and changed out positions of some outlets and switches a few times. It allows you to get a feel for how things are laid out without having to wait for the drywall to go up (too late then anyway).

A few things to point out. First, as you eluded to, you can't just stick a rotozip tool in there and carve out the box once the drywall goes up. This is a preference thing though. I prefer to measure and cut with a dywall saw and razor knife. The rotozip (I have a Dremel with a drywall bit) gets pretty messy with all the dust. I only used my Dremel when I had to. Same with the cans, I measured the outer edges, drew the box, found the center of the square and used a circle tool/drywall saw to cut it out. I tried the lipstick trick, but preferred to do it this way (and didn't want to ruin all my lipstick, er.. my wife's lipstick... yeah, thats the ticket).

We also took off those little "ears" on the top and bottom of all the outlets and most of the switches were we could. These little ears extend past the basic box size and are a pain in the ass because they get in the way of the drywall when you're putting it on the wall and you have to trim the drywall for them. By removing the four ears (not the center ones) you can slap the drywall up with the outlet/switch in place pretty easily. The dimmers that were installed had to be unscrewed from box and pulled through the hole then rescrewed back in the box since those particular (rocker type) dimmers have "fins" for heat dispersement and extend past the outside of the switch box. The wires were not removed from the dimmer, the outlet just hung out out of the box an inch or two just until the drywall went up. Electricians please chime in here, but I believe those ears were used when plaster walls were popular and are not really needed, although the give some support of the switch/outlet againest the drywall. The ears have a little line across them and with a few bends using a plier, then pop right off.

Of course, you probably want to turn the power off to that circuit in the area you're drywalling so you don't put a screw through a live wire. I didn't, but its probably a smart thing to do.

Bud
post #242 of 4394
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Jerrod,

Yeah, its funny. Its like organized chaos sometimes. I hate redundant stuff, so this allows me to shake things up a little. Of course it seems to take longer to complete one thing. It'll all come together in the end!

Bud
post #243 of 4394
Bud,

Thanks for the explanation. I might just try that method myself, assuming I hang my own drywall. I'm not sure if I want to tackle that or not, but I'm a pretty staunch DIYer most of the time and will probably at least give it a shot before hiring out.

Jerrod,

You can count me in on the whole-basement-finishing crowd as well. I think I've been saying that I'm about 90% done with framing for about a month now. But it's really those last few details that eat your time. Soffits, nailers, short little walls that you put off for various reasons -- it all adds up! I can't wait to complete framing and move on. I have some central vac rough in to do first, then it's on to electrical!
post #244 of 4394
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Originally Posted by johnson_sb View Post

Bud,
Thanks for the explanation. I might just try that method myself, assuming I hang my own drywall. I'm not sure if I want to tackle that or not, but I'm a pretty staunch DIYer most of the time and will probably at least give it a shot before hiring out.

Steve,

Get yourself a lift if you plan on doing it. I could not have done it without it. Are you planning on attempting the mud?

Bud
post #245 of 4394
Bud,

My original thought was to hang it myself and then hire someone to do the mud. But some people have warned me that that's not the best plan since many finishers would rather not work on someone else's hanging job. I'm not sure if that's really the case or not, so I'll probably just get some estimates both ways and see for myself.
post #246 of 4394
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Steve,

I think thats the case for the most part. They ding you on just the mud job because "they would have used 12 foot sheets" or "you have too many seams". The way I looked at it was that it saved me quite a bit, but it'll just take a lot longer (crew of one -> me, with a little help from my old man). If you have the time, its not a big deal... a little messy, but doable.

Bud
post #247 of 4394
Bud,

It seems drywall lifts are readily available on ebay for the same as you paid. I just checked rental rates and they're not too bad, $54/wk or $162/(4 wks), but using the normal rule of thumb that it always takes me twice as long as I originally plan for, I will certainly save by just buying my own and reselling it when I'm done.

So, my question is, using the drywall lift is it really a one man job? I'm thinking of just getting one, but it has to be doable by myself alone because most likely I won't have any help.
post #248 of 4394
Instead of cutting the ears off outlets and such you can always leave them un-screwed and stick them horizontily in the box when sheetrocking and mudding, just becareful not to touch the sides is all,

Watching the pros do my latest project I learned ALOT. I have odds and ends sheetrocking to do like behind the screen (done) and other odd and ends and my friend introduced me to hot mud, dries in 45 minutes and really speeds things up without cracking and the Loooooong mud drying waits. he taped and mudded my equiptment room to a finished room in 2 hours ( about 30 minutes of actual work using 20 minute mud on finish top coat)

I tried it behind the screen wall and was really impressed with the speed after a little practice, mixing it seems the hardest step.

I am certainly in the roto-zip club instead of sawing, I can usually get my son or wife to hold the wet-dry vac hose close to the cutting area if I want to stay spotless
post #249 of 4394
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Steve,

For the most part, you can do 90% yourself. If you can pick up an 8 foot sheet by yourself, you can pretty much do it yourself. You just need to put it on the lift. My father helped me with the small pieces around the soffits because it was easy to do small pieces without the lift and he was eager to help. Also, I have someone who is going to buy the lift from me (meeting him next weekend as a matter of fact), so you can recoup some of the costs of the lift and you have it as long as you need it.

Mark,

True on the ears. I have small kids (4 and 5) and I didn't want all them hanging out, just in case. Under different circumstances, I would have done it that way probably.

I was aware of the fast drying mud, but was concerned that it dried too quick. For my skills, its probably ok to use for small things, but for larger areas, I'll stick with the regular mud. If I were on some time crunch and needed to do it in a few days or a week, its a good option. I don't usually have more than a few hours here or there and maybe a day on the weekend if I'm lucky, therefore the drytime is not a big deal.

The other problem I had with the Dremel was "wandering". Sometimes I'm not actually up against the box or can and I end up going off on a tangent. I did use the Dremel for windows and doors though. I would just put up the drywall over the area and then cut out the opening. Still had some wandering problems, but used a rasp to clean up the edges.

Bud
post #250 of 4394
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All,

Monday was a very tragic day here. I don't want to put a damper on this thread and actually discuss the event here, but want to let you know that I'll be taking some time off from the basement to spend some more time with the family, neighbors and friends. Rest assured though, I'll be back.

For those metro Atlanta people that read the AJC or watch the news, you probably heard of the carjacking/cement truck accident. Kim, the victim, was our neighbor and our friend, our sons go to school and play together. My wife would babysit for their two year old. Kim was here last weekend and her husband and daughter are pictured in the last photo of my movie-night post. We're all shocked and saddened by the event that occurred and really puts things in perspective. We'll miss her and our hearts go out to her family. As I sit here typing this, I can see her house and the visits from family members, neighbors and friends. They are also fellow HT enthusiasts and completed their HT and basement last fall.

As for Shawn Roberts, he is also a resident here in our subdivision. I don't know Shawn, but plan on trying to meet him at some point and shake his hand for what he did for Kim.

For those others outside of ATL, here are a few links about what happened.

Carjacker, Victim Killed in Cobb
Police ID Dead Cobb Carjacker
Carjacking Victim Laid to Rest
Carjacking Victim's Family Mourns
Police:Carjacker Linked to Rape
Carjacking Widower Goes to Capitol
Accomplishments This 2006 Legislative Session
Bridge Dedicated to Slain Mother

Talk to you guys soon.

Bud

EDIT: I updated these links as information became available.
post #251 of 4394
Bud,

Very sad news! My wife and I send our deepest condolences to the family!!
We completely understand that the HT won't be a priority right now. Keep your chin up and help the family through this difficult time!

Sean and Kathe
(MaximAvs and MaximAvWife)
post #252 of 4394
Bud,

You have my condolences. It's things like this in life that really put things in perspective. Take care!

Jerrod
post #253 of 4394
That's awful. My condolences.
post #254 of 4394
Thats the worst thing I have heard in a long, long while.

Remember that movie Boys dont Cry? our niece was the girl with the Baby ( innocent bystander . Her Mom didn't give permission to let Hollywood use her part in the movie even though they sort of did.

We know how this sort of thing sucks beyond belief. Condolences
post #255 of 4394
Chinadog,
although Sean has already conveyed our condolences I wanted to present mine personally. The news of your young neighbor's violent death made me cry. My heart goes out to her family. Please know that our thoughts are with them and also with you and your family.

Kath
wife of MaximAvs
post #256 of 4394
Bud, check your PM.
post #257 of 4394
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Thanks for the kind words and wishes. A publicist volunteered to help, I sent a family photo to her yesterday. She's planning to go national with the story to try and raise money for the kids education fund. Funeral is at noon today.

Bud
post #258 of 4394
With deepest condolences to the family,

Gary Kagan
post #259 of 4394
Bud, I have been following your posts for some time now with much enthusiasm as I am getting ready for the electrical stage in my basement/HT. However, I am saddened by your recent post and wanted to let you know my condolences. If you find Shawn Roberts shake his hand for me. Take all the time you need with your family as we will all be here when you get back.

Drew
post #260 of 4394
Bud i am sorry to hear this bad news. you and your friends are in my thoughts.
post #261 of 4394
My condolences.

Hope to see you back soon. It has been great reading your thread.
post #262 of 4394
Likewise, my condolances Bud. I haven't posted much, but I've followed your entire thread, and found myself deeply shocked and disturbed; hearing something on the news vs hearing something like this from somebody you know... it just drives home the reality.

I guess what I'm saying is that I (and I imagine several/many others in this thread) have gotten to know you relatively well, so it's not just a statistic... more like a friend of a friend, and it's scary when something happens that close to you, even if it's a thousand miles away. I was at work when I saw your post, and I called my fiance who was on her drive home, just to make sure she was ok... feeling silly all the while, but compelled to call nonetheless.

I can't imagine... but I'm very sorry for you, your family, and particularly her family.
post #263 of 4394
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All, just wanted to thank everyone for their kind words, prayers and wishes.

Mike Boyd (husband) is now trying to have something good come out of all this by pushing legislation to come up with some sort of alert (dubbed the Kimberly alert) that will alert the public when a criminal is on the run and the police are unable to find him. He's also talking about a secret PIN that you could enter into an ATM that would allow you to get cash, but also alert authorities that there is a problem. He's been on the news quite a bit and I know he's going to meet with the governors office this week.

I did meet Shawn Roberts after the funeral and shook his hand. My wife spoke with his wife for a while and he's doing ok (media is all over him) and he's still a little shook up.

Also, an education fund was set up for the kids. If anyone is interested to contributing to the fund, please PM me. A website should be up soon as well.

Bud
post #264 of 4394
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All,

Just a quick post to let you know that I'll be back to work sometime this weekend hopefully. I want to finish up the final coats of mud on the walls/corners in the gameroom so I can focus on the ceilings. I also need to get moving on my concession area, I have not done any seams yet. I also want to get on the second code of mud on the HT room ceiling. It's finally starting to cool off here some, so I'll be able to open the windows some while sanding.

Also, the lift is gone...... sold and delivered to fellow AVSer, TheFerret. Another glutton for punishment!

Bud
post #265 of 4394
Chinadog...

Glad to see you are starting on the thater again. You know the saying.. idle hands and all!

Looking forward to seeing updated photos and watching the progress of your theater in the upcoming months!!

A guy here at work is going to start putting in a HT in his new house and I pointed him to the AVS Forum and your thread specifically, for information and ideas. Needless to say he was WOWED already!!

-Sean
post #266 of 4394
Bud,
Sorry to hear about the unfortunate events over the last month. I am glad to see you getting back to your project. I have started construction on my second HT room at a my
new home and I am debating wether to get involved with the sheetrock. I did everything on my last room and that was my least favorite part. Just in case I decide to do it again,
do you think TheFerret might be interested in passing on the lift?
post #267 of 4394
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Guys,

Looking forward to starting up again and getting over the mud hump. I think it'll keep me focused.

Maggie Guy,

Funny, the kids and I were just looking at a GSD rescue website at a dog we're talking about adopting named "Maggie". Anyway, back to the question about the lift. I believe he said he'll probably sell it when he's done with it, although he hasn't started yet as far as I know. He said he just had 120 sheets delivered. You might want to PM him, I'm not sure of his timeframe. He's up your way as well.

Bud
post #268 of 4394
Bud,
Thanks for the info. I actually got the name from the speakers I used to own made by Magnepan. Most owners refer to them as Maggies. I started off with their smallest model the MMG and worked my way up to the MG20's which are about the size of a large door.
Anyway I will PM theferret if I decide to do the sheetrock myself.
post #269 of 4394
I offer my condolences. Sorry for the loss.

Glad to see you're back at it. Can't wait to see some more images of your theater as it continues to come together.

I thought TheFerret had a finished theater. Maybe I remembered incorrectly...
post #270 of 4394
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Sorry guys, no photos. Battery on the digital camera went dead. I'm not sure you'd want any more pictures of mud anyway. Boring, boring, boring.

I did manage to spent a few hours in the basement. I did the first coat on the corners and all the seams in the concession area. I had already done the screw heads. I also worked on the corners in the HT room. Love using these corners, makes it pretty easy.

Cleaned up some as well. I picked up a new broom from Big Orange, one with soft bristles to sweep up drywall dust with. Put my old broom to shame, it was like I never swept at all.

Not likely I'll get too much done this week or even weekend. Work is going to heat up this week for me and I also need to prepare for next weeks certification board interviews for work in Baltimore. Fun stuff (not). I expect my wife will be doing quarter end close stuff this weekend as well, so I'll be doing kid duty, too.

Bud
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