Originally Posted by HoustonHoyaFan
It is pretty clear the HS51 is not for you. I can accept that. You should accept that many other people have a different opinion than yours....Some one else may have different priorities, criteria, and choices than me. I accept that.
I don't think anyone is "wrong" for prefering the HS51. I think this is a very good comparison, because for the guy that is out to spend about $2500 on a projector, he's really got just a couple of good choices:
- 8" Air Coupled CRT (probably an M8XXX or 808)
Since there is no forum for a comparison like this, this place is as good as any.
Being a shootout thread, and a shootout that I myself have done, I added my opinions. At this price point, you are correct, you have to pick your trade offs. With regard to set up and viewing, the negatives of each are:
- SDE visible all the times at viewing distances under 1.8x width and some scenes under 2.1x screen width.
- color fringing
- black level
- image not "fluid" except at extremely large viewing distances
8" AC CRT
- Crappy ANSI CR (intrascene CR)
- Time consuming set up
- Occasional tweaking required
For the most part, everyone that I've done this comparison with has agreed with the above list. I think Gary will agree with the above list. So yes, you have to pick your poison. Which are the least objectionable negatives to you?
I know I bring up viewing distance alot. I mention THX as a guideline because it exists as an industry standard to ensure the best movie experience. I know you sit something like 3x width back, but bear in mind, this is rare, an I don't believe there is a currently built theater (I've never seen one) that has a seat 3x back--you are in effect sitting outside the theater.
Now, Gary and others prefer the back row in a theater (about 2.0-2.5x screen width depending on AR), but that is certainly not the majority. The majority of movie goers sit about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way back in the theater--a viewing distance of about 1.2-1.7x screen width.
So, the reason that I bring this up is because if you are a typical movie goer, and your desire is to get the movie theater or better than movie theater experience at home, you cannot have it with an HS51.
Reconsidering, Gary might find the HS51 better due to his viewing distance. (Gary, I'm curious to see if the following assumption is correct) Assuming Gary is willing to sit back far enough to not see the SDE, then it will come down to two things:
1) How frustrated is he with his CRT
2) Which is worse--bad black levels and color fringing or bad ANSI CR and Halos.
I'm beginning to think the combination of those two coupled with his farther than average viewing distance may well tip him to the HS51.
But, for the vast majority of people (as indicated by your poll and observation in a movie theater), the HS51 will be a non-starter and not an option due to the SDE from preferred viewing distances.
Thats all I'm sayin'. :)
With regard to the G70 being a half a step better, I still think that is a misrepresentation. The G70 does not have halos and still has a lower ANSI CR than the HS51, but not nearly as bad as an AC unit. I think if may be accurate to say that for some, from a 3x viewing distance, the G70 is only a bit better. But, for the vast majority of people, I think one would have to say the G70 is several steps better. That is my point.
You represent one set of priorities, I represent another. That is why these forums are great, you can read through these posts and say, hey my priorities are X or my priorities are Y and figure out which is better for you. With 2500 bucks and your priorities--get the HS51, with mine--get the CRT.
Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not some CRT zealot that will stick with them to the bitter end. Truth be told, my CRT has had some problems that lead to me spending too much time with it leading to marital strife! I'm not crazy about the hassles that come with the CRT, I would love for these guys to get off their butts and make a good affordable digital so that my life would be easy, but the fact is, I care too much about the movie experience and picture quality--so I've got no choice but the CRT. When I save my pennys to move up to a 9"LC unit, I'll again go look at the digital PJs and see if I can buy one of those, if they don't meet my priorities compared to a 9", then I'll still be with a CRT.
BTW, I'm not even considering TCO, which when bulb replacement and LCD panel probs come into the picture, I think the CRT would win that one.