Page loads are sloooooooooow.  

Sorry, but this is not something on our end that I can see. Please be so kind to check your browser settings to make sure you have it set to cache the images. In IE you should have it set to AUTOMATICALLY. Tested in both IE and FireFox on 4 machines. All images pop right up once cached.

Thank you.

Last Saturday I could not even log onto the site because it was so slow.
Once in a while, this happens.

Craig

That could have been a route issue to the site which can happen. I show no issues on the servers in the logs for Saturday.

I'll say that I do not like this new website layout. The page loads time are horrible (I have 6MB+ throughput so it's not my problem). Why is it required to download the ICONs on every page load?

I have to wait several seconds (20 seconds right now at 3am to get to http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forum...php?forumid=19 ) for every list page, and worse the icons and lines and text keep moving throughout that 20 seconds, so when I click on something it's moved under my mouse, so I end up clicking on something else and then have to go back.

I'm running IE 6.0.2800.1106 with
CheckForNewerVersionsOfStoredPages=Automatically

"Why is it required to download the ICONs on every page load?"

As I mentioned above...you need to check your browser settings. We not not require a down load each time of the images. If the image is cached on your machine, they should pop right in.

Testing on IE, FireFox, Opera on 4 differnt machines. No issues on any of them.

Do you have a software firewall in place like Norton? I have found it to a factor in messing up sites and things like caches.

Also...we run backups on the servers at night...you may have hit the window of 10 to 15 mins when the server is slower for it moving files.


Page generated in 0.15200 seconds with 17 queries [Server Loads: 0.30 0.29 : 0.27]

That's kind of a sad attitude, if you ask me. You're asking thousands of users to change the way they set up their machines? Why not listen to your members and consider their thoughts?

I too have noticed a 20-30 second wait for icons and ads to load since the forum "upgrade". No other forums I visit take anywhere near this much time to load.

I'm not running any external cache programs, no 3rd party software firewalls, no Norton bloatware. This is a clean install of XP Pro SP2 with IE6 and a 3Mb cable connection.

Hammer

Woah! I try to help and you come off with "sad attitude"?!?!

If I can not find any issue, and it does no seem to affect most people. How can I "consider the thoughts" other than to offer suggestions.

I am sorry, but we see 0ver 55,000 people a day...this only seems to be an issue with a few for we have only received about 6 people mentioning it. Of the ones I have helped with this, 99% of the time it was a broswer setting and the other was a firewall issue.


Question...Do you hve an issue with...

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/

or

http://www.dbstalk.com/index.php

Just wondering.


Page generated in 0.16872 seconds with 19 queries [Server Loads: 1.06 0.84 : 0.79]

David:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/
- initial load of html (before icons) 4 seconds
- page displayed correctly (in its final state) before the icons finished loading
- total time (after icons) 7 seconds.
- EDIT: second try, total time, 9 seconds.

http://www.dbstalk.com/index.php
- total time 4 seconds
- I didn't notice a delay between when the page first loaded and icons were done.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forum...php?forumid=19
- 9 seconds right now with two browsers with AVS open. Pretty good for this website lately.
- EDIT: 17 seconds with one browser open. Page text is bouncing all over the place until that 17 seconds is up. I scrolled down to push the edit button here without waiting, and just as I clicked the screen bounced so I clicked in the message body of someone else's post. Obviously I was able to scroll to the edit button again.

I'm using a hardware firewall. I have norton anti-virus, but not norton firewall.

EDIT:
I tried clearing my IE cache, and setting
CheckForNewerVersionsOfStoredPages=Never
Now, 2nd try (after cache is loaded)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forum...php?forumid=19
- 4 seconds with one browser with AVS open.
- no apparent page text bounce, on any page I've been to before
- getting into this editpost.php page the first time did have a lot of page text bounce.

Page text bounce should not happen if the webserver sends height and width of icons/images to the browser in the html tags.

EDIT EDIT: Nope. We can't use
CheckForNewerVersionsOfStoredPages=Never
because when I go to editpost.php, it shows the cashed version of the page (the prior prior edit) rather than the current one. So I can't re-edit as long as it's set to Never.

Pretty much exact same results as Basement Bob. Of course, we do appreciate any suggestions.

Maybe there is some reason why only a few people have complained, I don't know. In over 5 years of using the site, this is the first time I've ever had any reason to come to the Feedback Section... and turns out someone else had already started this topic. I'd bet that more people are having this issue than you think. How about a Sticky Poll at the top of every section to find out?

Hammer

Well with the results above, it does seem to be browser setting dependent seeing the speed change. IE is the SLOWEST of the browsers. For those who have not yet tried it...please try FireFox and I bet you will be shocked.

I can not find anything on this side that could make for an issue. Even my notebook on wireless just POP's in the graphics from cache.

If you have not tried FireFox, please do and let me know.

Actually I'm getting very slow loads right now and just got the message:

"The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later."

11:21 pm eastern time on 7/24/2005 if that helps.

(I'm using Opera)

"The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later."
I've seen that too a few times.

I’m on 56K dial-up. And it takes 5 seconds for an AVS forum page to load. It takes 3 seconds when all of the images are cached.

No. Those are both fast. AVS is slow (on my system as well after the 'upgrade').

- Dale Adams

Dale....The sits above run the same software with the same hacks on the same operating system. AVS Forum runs on 2 dedicated web servers and one dedicated database server. It actually is faster then the other two sites. Not sure what to say other that if you have not been to the sites before, you then had a clean cache.

Yes, the "The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later." can happen on occasion when the server you are hitting is running at a high load. This can be caused by a large amount of searching happening, thus driving the load up. It will then shows that message until the load drops to a safe level. I will increase to load limit and see.

Yes, FireFox is very fast, I was "shocked" when I first starting using it. Never used IE because it is a dog, used Netscape before FireFox and FireFox easily trumps the other 2 for speed and usability.

Regarding the loading of the images, the only time I have have trouble is if I have cleared my cache, otherwise the page loads very quickly.

BTW....If you have not cleared your cache, it will just stop caching images. That is just a thought.

Yup... runing slow right now. :)

Craig

Checked the logs at the tim you posted the above. No issue on this end that I can see. Maybe a router issues between you and the server was having an issue.

Page generated in 0.25903 seconds with 30 queries [Server Loads: 1.34 1.16 : 1.24]

I just got back from a 2 week vacation, and have tried to call up the ReplayTV forum and also the Digital Audio and Photo Server forum. I'm experiencing very slow page loads from any other AVS page that I try, where I didn't see this before my recent vacation. I'd estimate 20-30 seconds for any AVS Forum page I've tried to go to.

The delay seems to be about a second or two to call up the image for each of the AVS Forum Alliance Members at the top of every page.

I'm using Windows XP SP2 and IE6. For some reason my machine is not storing or caching these images for future callups.

I've tried clearing cache and my setting is on "automatic" for checking for newer versions of stored pages.

I'll continue to try things and see what I can figure out. Thanks, Randy

Randy...

If you would be so kind...and be willing to...can you please download and install the FireFox browser and see what your result is? I ask for one I am just wondering and two I think that once you use FireFox and see the speed you have been missing you may even be happier. http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

I have looked and looked and can not see where this issue may be coming from. I can not even reproduce it here. And in the last two weeks, we have not made any changes. (Not in about 4 to 6 weeks.)

Thank you.

I wanted to see if my dad's pc (DSL) had similar issues. Keeping in mind he has a slower pc, slower connection, and runs Win98SE. Using IE6 with cache cleared and set to Automatic, I did some tests. I went to http://www.hashemian.com/tools/page-load-timer.php and put in the urls:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=26 is taking 23-26 seconds to load.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...isplay.php?f=4 is taking 9-10 seconds to load.

http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=73 is taking 12-14 seconds to load.

Hammer

Well if you take into account that AVS has more items to download and also a vastly higher number of users hitting the server at the same time...I am not surprised by this numbers when you first go to a site with nothing cashed. ;)

Thank you kindly for taking the time to run the test.

Note the server responce time to make this post and redisplay the page...

Page generated in 0.56936 seconds with 37 queries (2 queries for uncached templates) [Server Loads: 0.51 0.57 : 0.59]

Slow again today... rreeeaaaalllll slow.

:mad:

Craig

This site is still loading slow... :(
Craig

Even with caching, I'm finding more and more instances where everything is moving along, and then, nothing, nada. Can't load a page. Often get server busy message. I check other net sites and they load fine, so it's not my connection. Often have to wait many minutes before a page will load. This has been getting progressively worse over the past 2 to 4 weeks.

This can happen when the site is busy and the searches are running high. Searching is still the #1 issue for a site like this for it can lock up the tables and indexes while it is happening. This is why you see it come and go. It happens mostly on large search queries.

We are looking at doing a few things but both require the site to be shut down for almost a day. One is to add yet another server into the mix that will handle just the search requests. This involves new hardware and also some special programming and MySQL replication. The second is the archiving off of older data thus making the database smaller and this faster. This option just takes time to run the delete...but when you are deleting over a million posts, it can take quite some time.

I've just started using FireFox again and find the site loads VERY SLOWLY due to the Samsung ad. I can open IE and the page loads almost instantly, in FF it's very slow and when I can scroll down it's very jerky until the ad loads completely. In IE the ad loads in the background, just a white box displays, in FF I get each scene as it's drawn. Don't know if it's just me or if others are having the same problem...


BTW -- I can go to the TiVo forum and the pages loads very quickly--no ad.

The Samsung ad is a Flash ad...Not sure if you have the Flash page installed or not. I also see the issue with FireFox and any site that has Flash. FF just seems to load it slowly and I am not sure why.

I have now turned off the Samsung Flash banner.