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post #421 of 567
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Originally Posted by RemyM
Not true, Cablevision offers OLN as part of a 10 channel sports tier that costs $4.95/mo
As long as you can get digital cable. Is that an option for 100% of their subscriber base? I know the cable companies around Atlanta do not yet have 100% coverage for digital cable.
post #422 of 567
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Originally Posted by Brian_Greer
As long as you can get digital cable. Is that an option for 100% of their subscriber base? I know the cable companies around Atlanta do not yet have 100% coverage for digital cable.
Here OLN is carried as part of regular cable. Having it on digital on Cablevision doesn't mean all cable systems carry it in the same fashion.

GoIrish
post #423 of 567
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Originally Posted by GoIrish
Here OLN is carried as part of regular cable. Having it on digital on Cablevision doesn't mean all cable systems carry it in the same fashion.

GoIrish
True but have to have to pay Cablevision $9.95 for the base digital cable package and then $4.95 to have access to OLN is something I bet most people will not do.
post #424 of 567
I don't know what percentage of basic subs will upgrade, icemannyr.
But at the end of June, 57.9% of Cablevision's subs had access to the digital tier.

Cablevision Subscribers as of June 30, 2005
Basic Video Customers 3,005,558
Digital Video Customers 1,741,483
post #425 of 567
What I am wondering is how many people would get OLN just to watch the NHL no matter how OLN is offered by the cable system.

I just think it would make more sense for OLN to be a part of the regular family cable or digital cable package then making it a pay channel.

How many homes does OLN reach vs ESPN?
post #426 of 567
There are 64 million homes with access to OLN, about 90 million for ESPN.
post #427 of 567
Thread Starter 
Just to clarify,

is that 64 million who currently have access to the channnel, or 64 million who actually receive the channel right now?

If it is actual subscribers to the channel, what is the number who can opt to receive who are not currently doing so?
post #428 of 567
I am not sure I understand what you mean by the difference between "access to the channel" or "actually receive the channel right now".

But 64 million is the number of homes OLN now reaches.

There are no "subscribers" as in HBO, it is either available in the basic package or a digital or other tier. And with Comcast already saying it is going to charge more for OLN now that it has the hockey package, it is easy to believe some cable companies will not want to add it to their basic tiers.

At any rate, be that as it may, 64 million is the number of homes whose residents could watch OLN tonight if they wished.
post #429 of 567
he's asking how many more than 64 million people can get OLN by means of upgrading their current service (to digital or a premium level digital package).
post #430 of 567
Here is the problem here in Chicago. For whatever stupid reasons, the Chicago Blackhawks will continue their tradition of not broadcasting home games on any form of TV (OTA or Cable). For the time being, Comcast Sportsnet Chicago, only broadcasts the HOME games of the Bulls, Sox and Cubs in HD and does not have any immediate plans to change. So unless their are additional games broadcast in HD on INHD, the only HD broadcast available here will be on the new OLNHD, scheduled to launch in October. I really hope that Center Ice games are in HD or that they may have some additional games on INHD.
post #431 of 567
A hockey lockout to hockey blackout

Steve Zipay Newsday August 23, 2005

Just when you thought hockey was back, troubling news has surfaced for fans on Long Island and around the metro area.

Cablevision has 3 million subscribers, and if any of them were thinking of spending $4.95 a month for the digital sports tier that carries OLN, the channel that is replacing ESPN and ESPN2 for the NHL's national cable telecasts this season, they can forget it. The puck stops here.

Up to 78 regular-season games, including as many as eight Rangers, eight Devils and eight Islanders games, as well as a slate of Stanley Cup playoff games and Games 1 and 2 of the Finals, won't be available to you on OLN, we've learned.

Why? Because OLN is on expanded basic digital service in 90 percent of its U.S. distribution of 64 million homes, but not in Cablevision households on Long Island, Brooklyn, the Bronx, Westchester and northern New Jersey.

So, in the latest twist in the wacky world of cable, even if you're willing to pay to watch the NHL here, you can't buy it.

"In markets where OLN is offered on a digital sports tier, which includes Cablevision, we are required through our contracts to black out the games," an OLN spokesperson confirmed yesterday. "There will be alternative programming in that time slot. We are working with our affiliates on the situation. We believe OLN should be included on expanded basic, not a sport tier."

Bull-riding rather than Rangers, perhaps?

It's all about leverage: OLN wants Cablevision to make the channel available to all potential viewers and charge Cablevision a broad-based fee. Viewers, again, are the pawns.

Not only will the Rangers-Flyers season opener Oct. 5 - an OLN exclusive - be unavailable to Cablevision subscribers, the rest of OLN's NHL schedule, primarily on Monday and Tuesday nights, will go unseen in one of the NHL's largest markets.

Anytime OLN chooses to air a Rangers, Devils or Islanders game here, Cablevision subscribers will be totally shut out. The conflict affects only Cablevision subscribers, not Time Warner customers in Manhattan and Queens or DirecTV and DISH Network subscribers who receive OLN as part of a general programming package.
post #432 of 567
not only do I hate Cablevision, but now I hate Comcast even more! This is absolute bull. If CV wants to have subscribers pay $4.95 to get the channel, then sign me up. But to force CV to put this channel on basic cable, threatening to black out 8 games each of Isles, Devils and Rangers is just flat out wrong. I have no confidence, though, in Cablevision negotiating to put OLN on basic, since I lived through an entire season of no YES. Question, if I got DirecTV but live in Cablevision area, will I be able to watch the Devils games on MSG/FSNY when it's also on OLN, or will it also be blacked out ?
post #433 of 567
The whole extoriton is to get every single Cablevision sub to be counted (and paid for) for OLN. The is the entire bottom line.

It is what has worked so well for ESPN over the years: everyone pays for the channel(s) yet only (at best) a quarter of households watch them.

It is legalized extortion, and, in this case at least, good for Cablevision. Why should everyone (including the more than 90% of viewers who never watch hockey) pay because Comcast wants its NHL money back quickly?
post #434 of 567
I'm confused. If OLN has a non-exclusive game, and someone in NY has the digital sports tier, won't they have access to the local broadcast of that game?

The exclusive Monday-night OLN games, as I understand it, aren't blacked out anywhere. The quote above from the OLN guy claims it's due to their contracts - but they have an exclusive contract for one game on Monday nights.
post #435 of 567
Nope, they won't have access to it on their RSN.

Apparently the Comcast contract calls for all regional games to be blacked out during a national game.

And Comcast is taking that farher and insisting OLN be on a basic tier -- so it can charge MSOs and DBS for every subscriber.
post #436 of 567
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Originally Posted by fredfa
Nope, they won't have access to it on their RSN.

Apparently the Comcast contract calls for all regional games to be blacked out during a national game.

And Comcast is taking that farher and insisting OLN be on a basic tier -- so it can charge MSOs and DBS for every subscriber.
Some of the articles you have posted have said that for this year, only the national Monday game will be shown exclusively. Other games will still be shown on regional networks.

It sounds like next year, they will try to have few other games on Mondays so they don't have to worry about it.
post #437 of 567
That's right.

But the later articles seem to indicate there will be a blackout of the RSNs.

I guess we'll find out Oct. 5.
post #438 of 567
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Originally Posted by Brian_Greer
As long as you can get digital cable. Is that an option for 100% of their subscriber base? I know the cable companies around Atlanta do not yet have 100% coverage for digital cable.
iO digital cable from Cablevision is available to 100% of their coverage area. They have the highest digital cable penetration in the industry as 58% of their subscribers have signed up for digital cable.
post #439 of 567
The way I understand it any games OLN televises this season are exclusive to OLN and there will be no local team coverage of that game. Starting next season OLN will have exclusive Monday night coverage, meaning no other games will be televised in the US except for what OLN televises. The NHL will work the schedule to try to prevent any other games from being scheduled on Monday nights except what OLN will televise.

The bigger issue for me is that OLN is now saying since I pay $4.95/mo to get OLN as part of a digital sports tier I will not see any NHL games on OLN. Unless Cablevision puts OLN on expanded basic and ponies up the cash for all its subs they will screw those of us that are willing to actually pay for OLN. That blows, Bettman and the NHL better get their act together and get this issue resolved before they lose their loyal hockey fans like me who can't wait for the start of the season. The way this stands now I will not be able to see any of the games of the Conference Finals or the first two games of the Stanley Cup Finals. I can deal with missing a few regular season games but missing playoff games is unacceptable.
post #440 of 567
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Originally Posted by fredfa
That's right.

But the later articles seem to indicate there will be a blackout of the RSNs.

I guess we'll find out Oct. 5.
The later articles are sensationalist pieces by local reporters. All the unbiased articles I've read here indicate that only the Monday national game will preempt local coverage of that game only. Next season, there will only be one game scheduled on each Monday, and it will be an OLN exclusive.

So far, there's been absolutely no talk of any OLN game being blacked out. Just that one story from that one guy in NY. I'd like to see some corroboration of that, and so far, there isn't any.
post #441 of 567
Just checking:

How do you differentiate sensationalist and biased reporting from the unbiased?

Steve Zipay may be a "local reporter" but he has been covering the TV, sports, and sports business beats for probably longer than many of our forum readers have been alive. He is not infallible, so he may well be wrong. But he is far from "sensationalist" or biased in any way.

I have read both versions, too. It seems to me the earlier versions were basically just rewrites of NHL and Comcast press releases and msummaries of the official news conferences. Some of the later reporting has tried to answer specific questions.

And to be fair, neither Comcast nor the NHL has gone out of their way to clear up the confusion. That leads me to believe there will be blackouts.

But as I've noted, we'll know for sure in six weeks.
post #442 of 567
post #443 of 567
This article from Philly says there will be local coverage of games.

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The first NHL on OLN game will be Oct. 5, opening day of the 2005-06 season, when the New York Rangers play the Flyers at the Wachovia Center. It will not be blacked out locally. Comcast says no Flyers games carried on OLN will be blacked out locally, even to satellite customers.

Flyers games will still be shown on Comcast SportsNet, although a few during the season will be shown on OLN
I think Comcast is based in Philly,and if there no blackouts of local coverage,why would there blackouts any place else?

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/12420031.htm
post #444 of 567
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Originally Posted by kdrabik

In the last 20 minutes or so, I changed around my link structure, so the above llink should look like this:

http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.ph...n_information/
post #445 of 567
sorry haters but newsday is a ragsheet that prides itself on half-facts and misinformation.

I would not be concerned at all, unless this is clearly specified by legitimate journalists and direct interviews.
post #446 of 567
I can understand to some degree OLN having exclusivity in the home markets. That will push people to watch their previously barely watched channel. However if they were to make that a national game where center ice viewers, the loyal hockey fans, couldn't watch the teams they want far away from them this would be a giant mistake. I would end up watching less hockey than before. And believe me, we are some of the last people left and should not be p@$%ed on.
post #447 of 567
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Originally Posted by fredfa
Just checking:

How do you differentiate sensationalist and biased reporting from the unbiased?
Sensationalist: "Holy crap! We won't be able to watch ANY Islanders, Rangers, or Devils games on TV!!! The sky is falling!"

It just doesn't hold water. The earlier reports - the ones that were, you know, reporting, rather than scare-mongering, indicated what seem to be logical rules:

* If the game is on OLN, the local RSN can't carry the same game. That makes sense. OLN paid $$$ for the rights, when they show a game, it makes sense that nobody else can show the same game.
* If the game isn't on OLN, then the RSNs can carry it. That makes sense - there are going to be people in 28 NHL markets that don't care about the OLN game-of-the-week and would rather watch their team play.

It just doesn't make any sense to black out games that OLN is NOT carrying to force you to watch a game with teams you don't care about.

I think the big confusion is people confusing this year with next year.

Next year, when only 1 game will be scheduled on Monday nights (just like the NFL), that will be the only game on TV, and it will be on OLN.

Now, the whole thing about OLN being on a sports tier and thus being blacked out, I'll admit I don't understand a bit. I don't understand how preventing people from watching the national game is in anyone's best interests.
post #448 of 567
All I can think is that the NHL is HARD UP for any tv money and they would likely had made any agreement OLN wanted for some cash. If OLN said we want no center ice opposing us, NHL would have said pay me and you've got it. I just don't have full faith in NHL leadership. Simple as that.
post #449 of 567
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* If the game is on OLN, the local RSN can't carry the same game. That makes sense. OLN paid $$$ for the rights, when they show a game, it makes sense that nobody else can show the same game.
* If the game isn't on OLN, then the RSNs can carry it. That makes sense - there are going to be people in 28 NHL markets that don't care about the OLN game-of-the-week and would rather watch their team play.
This is wrong. OLN has an exclusive for Monday nights. They are showing one game nationally and all other games CANNOT be broadcast to their local markets. The commissioner has already noted this is a problem, one nothing they can really do about because the schedules are set. It will be corrected next year by only having one game scheduled on Mondays. If you are a Ranger fan for example and they play on Monday night and OLN doesn't broadcast the game, then you will not be able to watch it.

BTW, the whole point of the national exclusive for Mondays is to create a larger rating. If they allowed everyone to watch their local teams in the local market then nobody would watch the game on OLN except for those two markets and the ratings would be strongly affected. They want to have all eyeballs interested in watching the NHL focused only on OLN for Monday nights.
post #450 of 567
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Originally Posted by luckytwn
This is wrong. OLN has an exclusive for Monday nights. They are showing one game nationally and all other games CANNOT be broadcast to their local markets. The commissioner has already noted this is a problem, one nothing they can really do about because the schedules are set. It will be corrected next year by only having one game scheduled on Mondays. If you are a Ranger fan for example and they play on Monday night and OLN doesn't broadcast the game, then you will not be able to watch it.

BTW, the whole point of the national exclusive for Mondays is to create a larger rating. If they allowed everyone to watch their local teams in the local market then nobody would watch the game on OLN except for those two markets and the ratings would be strongly affected. They want to have all eyeballs interested in watching the NHL focused only on OLN for Monday nights.
I thought the NHL has said that the OLN exclusivity only extended to the games that OLN would do that night. So if the Rangers had a game on Monday it would only be on OLN and not MSG?
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