Paradigm Owners Thread - Page 691

The dealer told me the cc690 would be too much for my studio 60s so the same would hold true for you. I went with the cc590.

Mine didn't and seeing others on here who had done it without problem (as long as you have subs)... Ultimately it's up to you. (nice if I ever get the urge to get 60s or 100s)

Horsecrap!!! If 80 ish percent of movie watching is in the center you can never have too much center. I have auditioned everything at my dealer and trust me you can never have a center that is too big!!! you will be sorry if you dont buy the best center you can its the most important part.

My setup

studio 60s, cc 690, studio 20s, sub 12, mrx 700

I am considering two setups and price difference is not significant. I cannot do back to back listening comparison so I need help in determining what I should do

Setup 1 (In wall/ In ceiling)
Fronts SA-35
Center SA-LCR3 with backbox
Surrounds AMS150
Rear AMS150R
Sub: Paradigm RVC12SQ, RX12SQ and X850 In wall Subwoofer

Setup 2( floor standing/ in ceiling )
Fronts Studio-60
Center CC590
Surrounds AMS150
Rear AMS150R
Sub: Reference Sub 12

Both of these are 7.1 setup in a 26 by 16 room.
The main listening position is 14-15 feet from the speakers.

Is there any benefit in upgrading the surrounds or rears in this setup(studio 20 may be)?
Since the rear wall is 11 feet behind the listening position I thought the directional AMS150R30 will work best.

Should I consider a different Paradigm surround speaker?


Thanks

Agreed I wasn't in the studio price range so I bought the biggest In the monitor. I bought the cc-390 with monitor 11's and adp 390's. The cc-390 sounds great! I couldn't imagine getting a smaller speaker. One of theses days when the kids move out I can upgrade.

I have been a lover of paradigm my whole life but im having a issue thats probably real simple and im just missing the solution.
Im using a denon avr803ci reviever, studio 100's for fronts, cc690 for center, adp690 for surrounds and monitor 11semkii for rears.
Heres the problem- the fronts and the center are hardly producing any bass even with the sub off on the reciever. Even if i swith the amp to 2ch mode still hardly anything ive adjusted the crossover on the amp, but still no result. These 3 speakers should sound like there is a subwoofer on but for some reason there not. Any ideas

I listened to the studio 20 v3, v4, and SE1 back to back and they were all pretty close. The 20s had better lows of course than the SEs. The v3 and v4 studios use different drivers but I really couldn't hear much of a difference between the two. The SE center should match up with the v4 and v5 studios for sure. I considered one to go with my studio 20s v3 but I found a good deal on a cc570. I'm glad I went with the 570 because it's a beast. My brother's SE center is nice but I like my 570 a lot better. If you can find a used 590 I think you will be happy you did. If not the SE center should match up nicely. It just won't have that punch the 590 would.

Just picked up my CC-690 - this thing is HUGE!

What are you guys using for stands? Is the Paradigm J-18C the best/only option?

I have a 590 v.4. It is just too big for my setup and looks way out of balance with everything else including the 40s. It may be that the v.5 centers will be compatible enough. the 490 v.5 is smaller in every dimension than the 590 and I think it may even be smaller than the 490 v.4. I'm not sure where the SE center fits with its 5" drivers.

Depending on your interpretation, you will either couple or decouple(isolate) the speaker from the floor. Basically it is semantics for the purpose here.

I prefer to think of it as coupling as long as the speakers are sufficiently heavy. When you use the spikes the speakers will sort of be nailed to the floor, hence it is coupled. I actually use my weight to get the spikes to dig into the floor a bit. I don't have hardwood floors so it's ok.

Others feel that since the speaker box itself is off the floor that the speaker is decoupled or isolated. This is probably what happens if your speakers are lighter.

Just my opinion.

I don't know where the truth lies but for me the cc-690 was a no go because of physical size alone.

The CC-690 is the same size I think as the Signature C5. I have the C5, and the J-18C is the stand I'm using. I didn't want to mess with another kind of stand due to the weight and cost of the C5. The J-18C is perfect for this center speaker. The holes and screws line up perfectly as you'd expect. You can hide the speaker wire through a built in "channel" (though I am not due to speaker wire not being long enough, it is on my to-do-list), and it angles the speaker up ever so slightly so that the sound hits you at the right level. It's a beautiful stand:

Can someone give me the dimensions of the CC-490 v.4 and v.3 if different? No luck searching.

Appreciated.

I don't think there is a v.3 or v.4 CC-490. AFAIK, the cc-490, along with the Studio 10, debuted with v.5.

For v3 there was a CC470 and a CC570. The difference was very small in the two. The CC470 was 23.5 inches wide and the CC570 was 26.5 inches wide. For v4 there was a CC590 and a CC690.

I don't think you will tell much of a difference between the CC490 and the SE center. If you already have the CC590, either option is a downgrade in my opinion.

Thanks to you both.

No wonder I had trouble finding 490v4 by searching ! The 470 is almost as big as the 590 - 9 1/16 x 23 1/2 x 12 7/8 vs. 9 7/16 x 26 1/2 x 13.

No doubt the 490 or SE would be something of a downgrade. I'm gathering data a bit ahead of necessity. Tomorrow I will raise my screen and set up the 590. We'll see how big it really is once integrated. It seems to visually overpower the Studio 40's when I set it on the console.

I suppose I can construct a top level to my console and put the center behind a screen matching the doors that would be below and the DVD on top (see the photo below). It would necessitate raising the screen 10 or 11 inches. I'll see how ok or not that is tomorrow.

Photos always make things look busier than the seem in reality!! The audyssey mic is on a tripod behind the right front 40. I am in the process of making my own stands for the 40s, so no comments about the little occasional tables please.

I'm looking at this stand to hold my CC-690

http://www.lovanusa.com/product_info...4454b866c56b0d

Very nice setup. If you raise the tv up a few inches and just set the 590 on top of the entertainment center that would be perfect. It will sound better than being in a cabinet and will be almost the same height as the 40s so you will get a nice blend. I have the cc570 and I think it looks great with my studio 20s. The center channel is the most important speaker for movies so the 590 is a great choice.

Has this always been the case or is this just something new? Another question, are you the type of person who likes over powering bass? Meaning, to me a lot of bass maybe different than what you feel is a lot of bass. I have a pair of 9semkii and the cc690 and I can get for myself a decent amount of base but of course it doesn't equal my sub.

Another thing I'm not familiar with the avr803ci receiver. Perhaps you could link the specs of that receiver. Also you state an amp. Do you have a separate amp or are you referring to the amp built into the receiver?

If I had to guess without knowing the answer to the above questions, I would say you are asking too much of your receiver (assuming it is just receiver powering all those speakers and not a separate amp.) In my experience, it is the woofer of the speakers that really ask a lot from a receiver verses the mids/tweeter.

I'm going with the assumption you have already went through all the receiver's settings for bass. In my opinion, I feel since all the speakers are floorstanding and it appears you are not running a separate amp (just the receiver's amp), your speakers are not getting enough power. Read through this thread a bit. A lot of studio 100/690 owners state that if you really want your speakers to open up and you listen to them loud, use a separate amp.

Can anyone give me a quick recap of the major changes in the S2 from V1 to V2 to V3? I've been searching all over, including this thread, and I'm sure it must have been covered somewhere, but I can't find it. My apologies if it's here somewhere and I missed it. Thanks very much.
-Bob

LOL my girlfriend thought I bought a mini-fridge when my 690 came. I'm using a desk at the moment and once I get a new tv, I found a tv stand that has shelves that can hold over 80lb.

Major change from V.1 to V.2 is the change to a Beryllium tweeter (from G-PAL aluminum).
Major change from V.2 to V.3 is the NLC (Non-Limiting Corrugated) surround on the 7" driver, increasing sensitivity.

sorry about the typo its a DENON 4308CI, yes i do love my bass but im just trying to get my towers and center to perform as powerful as they look. i have since gotten my 100's to really rock by bi-amp my receiver and bi-wiring essentially the speakers, im a firm believer now that this does make a difference despite what others will say. I notice that the drivers on my 100's now move quite a bit more and i can dramatically hear the difference. but that big center is not doing much the drivers are barely moving? im starting to wonder if my amp just isnt enough to even run my 690 center.

Thank you very much!
-Bob

I have a pair of Studio 20v2 that I use for HT/music (no center/surrounds). I have a chance to pick up a CC-170v2, which does have different woofers. I can't tell if the tweeter is different. Given the choice between a phantom/no center and adding the CC-170v2, what would sound better? The CC-170v2 is very good shape, but it does look like a better match for mini monitors rather than the Studio series.

Thanks.

My personal opinion would be to try an external amp. Especially if you like to listen to that setup loud. The 4308 bench tests appear to be pretty good for a receiver (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/tes...ci-av-receiver
), though I would suspect an external amp would really open up your speakers, even if you only get say a 3 channel emotiva amp.


One interesting thing to note on that receiver is it says "The 4308CI's only technical issue was subwoofer output that, with the master-volume at reference-level and the sub-trim at 0, was on the brink of digital-clipping"

I have v4 Studio 40s along with a CC590 and in my opinion the 590 does not overpower the 40s.

Decided to go with the J-18C in the end. On order......

I played this game and got an external amp. (Blew 2 tweets from clipping) Bi-Amping helps the R, L but leaves the Center at normal power. I feel better with the front 3 matched for power.

FYI: My AVR uses Audyssey, and does a good job setting up my system. Even with the Amp.

Thanks! I ended up rearranging the whole setup to accommodate (whew!). I did move the screen up about 6". One problem was where to put the DVD player to keep it easily accessible. I decided to remove the doors to my console and put the DVD inside. I had to move the AVR to the other side of the console, so I basically disconnected and reconnected everything. At least it's only a modest rat's nest now . The 590 is on top of the console. Still seems a bit big and un-elegant, but perfect in terms of sonic placement. So it's looking like a keeper. It does sound great! And the screen actually feels bigger 6" higher - odd - probably since it is no a slight angle down towards the viewer rather than dead strait ahead.

Next, on to my stands for the 40s. Here is a picture of the setup so far.....

Before: After:

In the photo, the center seems a more reasonable visual balance. Still getting used to its imposing presence in person.