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post #20731 of 28091
3/26/11 at 10:13am
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Originally Posted by pstrisik View Post

Thanks! I ended up rearranging the whole setup to accommodate (whew!). I did move the screen up about 6". One problem was where to put the DVD player to keep it easily accessible. I decided to remove the doors to my console and put the DVD inside. I had to move the AVR to the other side of the console, so I basically disconnected and reconnected everything. At least it's only a modest rat's nest now . The 590 is on top of the console. Still seems a bit big and un-elegant, but perfect in terms of sonic placement. So it's looking like a keeper. It does sound great! And the screen actually feels bigger 6" higher - odd - probably since it is no a slight angle down towards the viewer rather than dead strait ahead.

Next, on to my stands for the 40s. Here is a picture of the setup so far.....

Before: After:

In the photo, the center seems a more reasonable visual balance. Still getting used to its imposing presence in person.

Looking good!

You could always look into an IR blaster or an RF + IR blaster remote system. It's been a long time since I've had to point a remote at anything
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post #20732 of 28091
3/26/11 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by Spiff69 View Post

Looking good!

You could always look into an IR blaster or an RF + IR blaster remote system. It's been a long time since I've had to point a remote at anything

Right. I have an IR blaster that I've never used. And I could put the DVD on the shelves under the turntable on the right. But I didn't want to have to set all that up and run longer HDMI and analog cables from the new location.
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post #20733 of 28091
3/26/11 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by pstrisik View Post

Thanks! I ended up rearranging the whole setup to accommodate (whew!). I did move the screen up about 6". One problem was where to put the DVD player to keep it easily accessible. I decided to remove the doors to my console and put the DVD inside. I had to move the AVR to the other side of the console, so I basically disconnected and reconnected everything. At least it's only a modest rat's nest now . The 590 is on top of the console. Still seems a bit big and un-elegant, but perfect in terms of sonic placement. So it's looking like a keeper. It does sound great! And the screen actually feels bigger 6" higher - odd - probably since it is no a slight angle down towards the viewer rather than dead strait ahead.

Next, on to my stands for the 40s. Here is a picture of the setup so far.....

Before: After:

In the photo, the center seems a more reasonable visual balance. Still getting used to its imposing presence in person.

Looks good - the 590 is a good fit with the 40's
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post #20734 of 28091
3/27/11 at 3:24am
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

That is not correct....

Studio 690
2nd-order electro-acoustic at 3.0 kHz;
2nd-order electro-acoustic at 500 Hz
(bass drivers)


Sigs C5
3rd-order electro-acoustic at 2.1 kHz;
2nd-order electro-acoustic at 600 Hz,
2nd-order electro-acoustic at 350 Hz
(outer bass drivers)

The mounting setup looks to be identical.... I'd wager to bet it would fit right in there and work fine, Not sure I would want to change that tweet on the CC, I was running the Sigs S8's with a 690 and it sounded pretty darn good...

What is 2nd order these frequencies. Appreciate any useful link to understand it.
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post #20735 of 28091
3/27/11 at 7:23am
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Originally Posted by sukumar View Post
What is 2nd order these frequencies. Appreciate any useful link to understand it.
2nd-Order = 12dB/octive.
3rd-Order = 18dB/octive.
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post #20736 of 28091
3/27/11 at 8:17am
I have the following questions.

What is meant by Studio 60 is two and half way vs , Studio 100 is three way? I understood 3 way means , woofer+ tweeter+ mid range. Don't know what is this half way?


How do I know if my onkyo reciver 708 which has following specifications is under powered for Studio 60?

110 W + 110 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz,
0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
100 W + 100 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.08%,
2 channels driven, FTC)

I remember Audyssey recommending to set all speakers to Small to get better quality. Here is the link to article.

http://www.audyssey.com/blog/2009/05/small-vs-large/

If the recommendation is followed, does it matter if we use Studio 20 vs 60 vs 100? Do you think this is not right way for Studio speakers.

Appreciate your time.
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post #20737 of 28091
3/27/11 at 8:31am
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Originally Posted by sukumar View Post
I have the following questions.

What is meant by Studio 60 is two and half way vs , Studio 100 is three way? I understood 3 way means , woofer+ tweeter+ mid range. Don't know what is this half way?
A 2.5 way speaker is like a 3-way, except the midrange driver does not have a high pass crossover applied to it, and is allowed to play as low as the woofers.

So, the frequency response of the drivers of a hypothetical 2.5-way speaker would be:
Tweeter - 20kHz-2kHz
Midrange - 2kHz-45Hz
Woofer - 500Hz-45Hz

Whereas a 3-way speaker would be:
Tweeter - 20kHz-2kHz
Midrange - 2kHz-500Hz
Woofer - 500Hz-45Hz

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How do I know if my onkyo reciver 708 which has following specifications is under powered for Studio 60?

110 W + 110 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz,
0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
100 W + 100 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.08%,
2 channels driven, FTC)

I remember Audyssey recommending to set all speakers to Small to get better quality. Here is the link to article.

http://www.audyssey.com/blog/2009/05/small-vs-large/

If the recommendation is followed, does it matter if we use Studio 20 vs 60 vs 100? Do you think this is not right way for Studio speakers.

Appreciate your time.
This is somewhat debatable, but my opinion is if you are planning on using a subwoofer at all times, and using a crossover of 60Hz-80Hz, than I would get the Studio 20's, as the advantages of a tower would never be truely utilized. IMO the only reason to get tower speakers (e.g. Studio 60's or 100's) is if you plan on running them full-range (without a subwoofer) with music.
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post #20738 of 28091
3/27/11 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by pstrisik View Post
Thanks! I ended up rearranging the whole setup to accommodate (whew!). I did move the screen up about 6". One problem was where to put the DVD player to keep it easily accessible. I decided to remove the doors to my console and put the DVD inside. I had to move the AVR to the other side of the console, so I basically disconnected and reconnected everything. At least it's only a modest rat's nest now . The 590 is on top of the console. Still seems a bit big and un-elegant, but perfect in terms of sonic placement. So it's looking like a keeper. It does sound great! And the screen actually feels bigger 6" higher - odd - probably since it is no a slight angle down towards the viewer rather than dead strait ahead.

Next, on to my stands for the 40s. Here is a picture of the setup so far.....

Before: After:

In the photo, the center seems a more reasonable visual balance. Still getting used to its imposing presence in person.
HI ALL. I am a KLIPSCH NUT, but Paradigm was my second choice. All well; I loving this set up; very simple and clean. I would do a couple of things, 1. change the art to actual pics, you know the usual family or places. Keep it simple though not to much, maybe change the color of that one wall ? 2. Do some blended sound treatment behind the mains. I can just imagine the quality of sound you are getting. Movie night is nice at your house.
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post #20739 of 28091
3/27/11 at 9:17am
What's a Klipsch?
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post #20740 of 28091
3/27/11 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by BTT917 View Post

This is somewhat debatable, but my opinion is if you are planning on using a subwoofer at all times, and using a crossover of 60Hz-80Hz, than I would get the Studio 20's, as the advantages of a tower would never be truely utilized. IMO the only reason to get tower speakers (e.g. Studio 60's or 100's) is if you plan on running them full-range (without a subwoofer) with music.
Yeah, I used to think this as well until I auditioned the entire line. One thing that I think people easily forget about is how speaker imaging factors into the difference in these speakers. I've had a few sets of studio 20's now and while they can keep up with the rest of the line, you won't mistake them comparing them to the 60's or 100's. The 60's definitely have a rounder, fuller sound due to the cabinet and the additional drivers and then the 100's are a full and clear step above that. In fact, I would say that there is a more significant difference between the 60's and the 100's than in the 20's and 60's. I ended up buying a set of 100's. There is no doubt in my mind that they are more neutral than the 60's. Not only is there better resonance on the full range of frequencies, but the simple fact that the speakers have drivers that run up and down the length of the cabinet greatly changes the way the speakers image and present themselves.

Here's my takeaway - you can fill in lower frequencies with a subwoofer no doubt, but that doesn't mean it fills in those sounds the same way the speaker cabinet would. There are benefits to the 60 and 100 cabinets that cannot be replicated by a subwoofer.
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post #20741 of 28091
3/27/11 at 9:55am
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Originally Posted by ILOVEMYHDTV View Post
HI ALL. I am a KLIPSCH NUT, but Paradigm was my second choice. All well; I loving this set up; very simple and clean. I would do a couple of things, 1. change the art to actual pics, you know the usual family or places. Keep it simple though not to much, maybe change the color of that one wall ? 2. Do some blended sound treatment behind the mains. I can just imagine the quality of sound you are getting. Movie night is nice at your house.
Sound treatment behind the mains is an interesting idea. Would others endorse this? If so, what kind of sound treatment are we talking about?

The paintings are family pictures... my father painted them!
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post #20742 of 28091
3/27/11 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by BTT917 View Post

A 2.5 way speaker is like a 3-way, except the midrange driver does not have a high pass crossover applied to it, and is allowed to play as low as the woofers.

So, the frequency response of the drivers of a hypothetical 2.5-way speaker would be:
Tweeter - 20kHz-2kHz
Midrange - 2kHz-45Hz
Woofer - 500Hz-45Hz

Whereas a 3-way speaker would be:
Tweeter - 20kHz-2kHz
Midrange - 2kHz-500Hz
Woofer - 500Hz-45Hz

This is somewhat debatable, but my opinion is if you are planning on using a subwoofer at all times, and using a crossover of 60Hz-80Hz, than I would get the Studio 20's, as the advantages of a tower would never be truely utilized. IMO the only reason to get tower speakers (e.g. Studio 60's or 100's) is if you plan on running them full-range (without a subwoofer) with music.

Thanks. Good to know the difference between 2 way and 3 way. What is really it means to feel the quality on speaker with 2 way vs 3way?

I intent to use all these speakers for home theater not for music. It really helps for my budget to have 20s instead of 60s.
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post #20743 of 28091
3/27/11 at 11:33am
I am seeing a lot of folks mounting their center channel vertically.
I am about to purchase Studio 100's for Front Left and Right.
The center I am thinking about is CC-690.
This is one big and heavy speaker.
Paradigm makes J-18c stand but it is only 18 inches from the ground.
Ideally I want the center speaker to be at the ear level so I want it much higher.

I was wondering if any one has used CC-690 in vertical configuration?
What stand did they use for it?

How will CC-690 compare to Studio 100 if both of them are used as center channel?

Thanks
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post #20744 of 28091
3/27/11 at 12:09pm
Ladies and Gents,
I just got my SUB15 on Friday... WOW! First of all, let me just say Paradigm is a company on top of it's game. I was quoted a mid-April delivery due to the SUB15 being on backorder... It arrived almost 3 weeks early, and was PERFECT. The wood grain and the match to my Rosenut 100's and 690 is very, very close. Fit and finish is outstanding. They clearly take a lot of pride in their work.

This thing is a beast! Of course I got PBK with it as my room is somewhat challenging, and I knew I'd need it. I placed it in the same place as my old Definitive PF15 so I'd have something to compare it to. After a first run with PBK to get accustomed to it, I ran it a 2nd time "for real". The unequalized response curve shows a large bump between 22hz - 35hz and then a pretty big dip at 55hz, 85hz and 115hz. The final result, after applying the PBK EQ is a very slight bump at 22hz then dead flat to about 150hz. The PBK readout doesn't show below 20hz, but there is clearly strong output below 20.

I auditioned it Friday with some music first, and thought is was a little muddy sounding and not very well defined. I wasn't too worried at that point because I still had to fine tune it with the crossover and phase controls. I also thought I may see improvement as it breaks in. After several hours of letting it play, it started to show big improvements. I watched Transformers II: Revenge of the Fallen yesterday afternoon after about 12 hours total of music both Friday and Saturday morning.

I can't even describe how I felt watching that movie - one I've seen at least half a dozen times on my system. There were points in the movie where I just laughed out loud, where I was hearing and FEELING low-frequency information I've never heard or FELT before. One scene, is in the beginning where where the Autobot "Sideswipe" somersaults over the Audi R8 Decepticon before splitting it down the middle. There was very strong audible low bass output, but there was also output I've never FELT before. It was vibrating my chest. There are several scenes like this throughout the movie that sounded and felt the same way. It was, in a word, mindblowing! At the end of the movie I was giddy, but completely drained. The SUB15 made it feel like I was watching this movie for the very first time.

The SUB15 is the real deal. I couldn't be happier!
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post #20745 of 28091
3/27/11 at 1:42pm
You think the sub 15 is fun...just PBK'd my Sub 2 this weekend and have it hooked to a 240V line...WOW!!! Good fun.
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post #20746 of 28091
3/27/11 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by Spiff69 View Post

Yeah, I used to think this as well until I auditioned the entire line. One thing that I think people easily forget about is how speaker imaging factors into the difference in these speakers. I've had a few sets of studio 20's now and while they can keep up with the rest of the line, you won't mistake them comparing them to the 60's or 100's. The 60's definitely have a rounder, fuller sound due to the cabinet and the additional drivers and then the 100's are a full and clear step above that. In fact, I would say that there is a more significant difference between the 60's and the 100's than in the 20's and 60's. I ended up buying a set of 100's. There is no doubt in my mind that they are more neutral than the 60's. Not only is there better resonance on the full range of frequencies, but the simple fact that the speakers have drivers that run up and down the length of the cabinet greatly changes the way the speakers image and present themselves.

Here's my takeaway - you can fill in lower frequencies with a subwoofer no doubt, but that doesn't mean it fills in those sounds the same way the speaker cabinet would. There are benefits to the 60 and 100 cabinets that cannot be replicated by a subwoofer.

I have a lot of experience with both towers and stand-mounted speakers, and I prefer stand-mounted personally. Obviously other people, like yourself, prefer towers, and are willing to pay the extra money for them.

For me, I would choose a pair of S2's over Studio 100's without any hesitation, given the same budget.
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post #20747 of 28091
3/27/11 at 2:43pm
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post

Ladies and Gents,
I just got my SUB15 on Friday... WOW! First of all, let me just say Paradigm is a company on top of it's game. I was quoted a mid-April delivery due to the SUB15 being on backorder... It arrived almost 3 weeks early, and was PERFECT. The wood grain and the match to my Rosenut 100's and 690 is very, very close. Fit and finish is outstanding. They clearly take a lot of pride in their work.

This thing is a beast! Of course I got PBK with it as my room is somewhat challenging, and I knew I'd need it. I placed it in the same place as my old Definitive PF15 so I'd have something to compare it to. After a first run with PBK to get accustomed to it, I ran it a 2nd time "for real". The unequalized response curve shows a large bump between 22hz - 35hz and then a pretty big dip at 55hz, 85hz and 115hz. The final result, after applying the PBK EQ is a very slight bump at 22hz then dead flat to about 150hz. The PBK readout doesn't show below 20hz, but there is clearly strong output below 20.

I auditioned it Friday with some music first, and thought is was a little muddy sounding and not very well defined. I wasn't too worried at that point because I still had to fine tune it with the crossover and phase controls. I also thought I may see improvement as it breaks in. After several hours of letting it play, it started to show big improvements. I watched Transformers II: Revenge of the Fallen yesterday afternoon after about 12 hours total of music both Friday and Saturday morning.

I can't even describe how I felt watching that movie - one I've seen at least half a dozen times on my system. There were points in the movie where I just laughed out loud, where I was hearing and FEELING low-frequency information I've never heard or FELT before. One scene, is in the beginning where where the Autobot "Sideswipe" somersaults over the Audi R8 Decepticon before splitting it down the middle. There was very strong audible low bass output, but there was also output I've never FELT before. It was vibrating my chest. There are several scenes like this throughout the movie that sounded and felt the same way. It was, in a word, mindblowing! At the end of the movie I was giddy, but completely drained. The SUB15 made it feel like I was watching this movie for the very first time.

The SUB15 is the real deal. I couldn't be happier!

Congrats on the Sub 15 - it is a beast of a sub. I had a similiar experience after upgrading from a DSP3200 to a Sub 12.
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post #20748 of 28091
3/27/11 at 3:43pm
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Originally Posted by HTtom View Post
I have a pair of Studio 20v2 that I use for HT/music (no center/surrounds). I have a chance to pick up a CC-170v2, which does have different woofers. I can't tell if the tweeter is different. Given the choice between a phantom/no center and adding the CC-170v2, what would sound better? The CC-170v2 is very good shape, but it does look like a better match for mini monitors rather than the Studio series.

Thanks.
I used a cc370 with my studio 20 v3 and I thought it sounded better without the center. If your main seat is in the center of the fronts I would recommend not getting the cc170.
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post #20749 of 28091
3/27/11 at 4:17pm
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Originally Posted by BTT917 View Post
A 2.5 way speaker is like a 3-way, except the midrange driver does not have a high pass crossover applied to it, and is allowed to play as low as the woofers.

So, the frequency response of the drivers of a hypothetical 2.5-way speaker would be:
Tweeter - 20kHz-2kHz
Midrange - 2kHz-45Hz
Woofer - 500Hz-45Hz

Whereas a 3-way speaker would be:
Tweeter - 20kHz-2kHz
Midrange - 2kHz-500Hz
Woofer - 500Hz-45Hz

This is somewhat debatable, but my opinion is if you are planning on using a subwoofer at all times, and using a crossover of 60Hz-80Hz, than I would get the Studio 20's, as the advantages of a tower would never be truely utilized. IMO the only reason to get tower speakers (e.g. Studio 60's or 100's) is if you plan on running them full-range (without a subwoofer) with music.


Just wondering about this....


If the bass drivers handle frequencies between 500hz-45hz, doesn't that mean you would indeed notice a benefit with the studio 60/100s over the 20s even if you're using a subwoofer? If you cross over to your sub at 80hz then the bass drivers in the studios would still be handling frequencies between 500hz-80hz.


Personally even with my crossover set at 80hz I can still hear sounds coming from the bass drivers in my studio 100s in 2channel music and in home theater applications.
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post #20750 of 28091
3/27/11 at 5:34pm
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Originally Posted by ILOVEMYHDTV View Post
HI ALL. I am a KLIPSCH NUT, but Paradigm was my second choice. All well; I loving this set up; very simple and clean. I would do a couple of things, 1. change the art to actual pics, you know the usual family or places. Keep it simple though not to much, maybe change the color of that one wall ? 2. Do some blended sound treatment behind the mains. I can just imagine the quality of sound you are getting. Movie night is nice at your house.
Actually I think the ART work is VERY nice!! Usually on pics like this I
focus on the gear. set-up etc. My eyes are drawn to the Art.

Different strokes for different folks
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post #20751 of 28091
3/27/11 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by BTT917 View Post

A 2.5 way speaker is like a 3-way, except the midrange driver does not have a high pass crossover applied to it, and is allowed to play as low as the woofers.

So, the frequency response of the drivers of a hypothetical 2.5-way speaker would be:
Tweeter - 20kHz-2kHz
Midrange - 2kHz-45Hz
Woofer - 500Hz-45Hz

Whereas a 3-way speaker would be:
Tweeter - 20kHz-2kHz
Midrange - 2kHz-500Hz
Woofer - 500Hz-45Hz

So, only difference is Mid range. In 2.5-way speaker, mid range can handle up to 45 hz where as 3 way can only handle up to 500hz. Why 3way is better? I know that I am missing something here. I don't know what it is.
Also, are these settings specific to Paradigm brand or applies to any speakers?
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post #20752 of 28091
3/27/11 at 5:48pm
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Originally Posted by Pixiu View Post
You think the sub 15 is fun...just PBK'd my Sub 2 this weekend and have it hooked to a 240V line...WOW!!! Good fun.
Congrats on the Sub 2! I can only imagine!

The 15 would completely overpower my room without PBK, and I'm not even using the left channel yet (waiting on my "Y" adapter)! It's probably more sub than I'll ever need!
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post #20753 of 28091
3/27/11 at 6:50pm
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Originally Posted by ayrton View Post
I played this game and got an external amp. (Blew 2 tweets from clipping) Bi-Amping helps the R, L but leaves the Center at normal power. I feel better with the front 3 matched for power.

FYI: My AVR uses Audyssey, and does a good job setting up my system. Even with the Amp.
thanks for the info, i do believe my nest step will be an external amp, as you have mentioned and to find out from others as well that with my current speaker setup i would definitely benefit from additional amps to wake my system up they way i want it to sound.
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post #20754 of 28091
3/28/11 at 9:37am
how do the S8/S6 or Studio 100s handle the frequency range of 150-300Hz? I am thinking my S4s with one single 7" woofer cannot handle that range very well and that is why i am missing out on some mid bass.
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post #20755 of 28091
3/28/11 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by Kimwyn View Post

how do the S8/S6 or Studio 100s handle the frequency range of 150-300Hz? I am thinking my S4s with one single 7" woofer cannot handle that range very well and that is why i am missing out on some mid bass.

Never been dissapointed with my S4's in the mid bass area...Got the S8's as well and both are great systems...

If your sensing that your having a problematic response in those regions, I would suggest getting some full range measurements of your setup in room.... If you have a suck out in that region, it may be apparent in your playback.

Perhaps your Pioneer is not doing the greatest job of room correction....
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post #20756 of 28091
3/28/11 at 10:11am
Do the S4's have dips in their frequency response to 4 ohms and below like other Paradigm models? When using the Pioneer Sc-07 with the Studio 100 v5's I used to own the bass was definitely lackluster. It has been reported that the Pioneer 4ohm performance leaves something to be desired, could this reported weakness be part of the problem?
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post #20757 of 28091
3/28/11 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

Never been dissapointed with my S4's in the mid bass area...Got the S8's as well and both are great systems...

If your sensing that your having a problematic response in those regions, I would suggest getting some full range measurements of your setup in room.... If you have a suck out in that region, it may be apparent in your playback.

Perhaps your Pioneer is not doing the greatest job of room correction....

I am very surprised to hear a bass head like you say such a thing. Is it a genuine acceptance that the region above 150Hz and below 500Hz is decent enough to be called good or is it that you have accepted the S4s for what they are and did not place as high expectations on them as you would place on the S8s?
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post #20758 of 28091
3/28/11 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by weird 23 View Post

Do the S4's have dips in their frequency response to 4 ohms and below like other Paradigm models? When using the Pioneer Sc-07 with the Studio 100 v5's I used to own the bass was definitely lackluster. It has been reported that the Pioneer 4ohm performance leaves something to be desired, could this reported weakness be part of the problem?

This could definitely be a discussion point because from my graphs up to 200Hz, between 80Hz and 200Hz, they are some sever dips in my FR. Would the use of an external amp help such dips?
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post #20759 of 28091
3/28/11 at 12:30pm
I feel the S4's to be more then adequate and linear, I haven't taken any measurement in my room of them, but never felt that they were lackluster in the upper bass or mids dept.... We had a speaker GTG and put them up against the Salk Sontowers which excel their mids and upper bass area IMO and many others as well, and the S4's matched them sonically in every aspect, to the point I couldnt tell which was which, except in the nature of the Ribbon Tweeter on the Salks was the step up for my taste.

The Be tweeter matches or exceeds in its performance to me...
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post #20760 of 28091
3/28/11 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by jdk33 View Post

Just wondering about this....


If the bass drivers handle frequencies between 500hz-45hz, doesn't that mean you would indeed notice a benefit with the studio 60/100s over the 20s even if you're using a subwoofer? If you cross over to your sub at 80hz then the bass drivers in the studios would still be handling frequencies between 500hz-80hz.


Personally even with my crossover set at 80hz I can still hear sounds coming from the bass drivers in my studio 100s in 2channel music and in home theater applications.

The Studio 100's are a 3-way speaker, with the woofers crossing over at 300Hz, so at 80Hz they are the only drivers contributing to the sound of the speaker.

The real issue to be considered is what the benefit is to having a speaker with a flat FR well below the crossover point being used, keeping in mind the 2nd-order high pass / 4th-order low pass scheme used in virtually all receivers & SSPs. To maintain a flat FR around the crossover frequency (say an octave above and below), the subwoofer must be set to a lower level with a tower speaker than it would be with a speaker whose FR begins to drop off close to the crossover frequency.

So looking now at 20Hz, where the tower speaker is contributing virtually nothing, the subwoofer (which had to be set to a lower level) is not performing as well as it could be, or would be if it were able to be set to a higher level when used with a speaker whose FR doesn't extend much below the crosover frequency.
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