Paradigm Owners Thread - Page 697

I received the following reply from Paradigm when I asked which of their bookshelf speakers are front-ported:

"The only speakers that would have a front port would be the Studio 10 and Studio 20. "

Do you think replacing my Cinema-90s with Studio 10s is worth the expense? It seems like overkill for surround speakers.

Thanks yanknuck! I agree they must support their local business but for that they can't treat their costumers like they did. Its up to me where I will spend my money. If they release a product in the market they need to be prepaired to support everyone who ask about their product. As simple as that. I haven't asked them where I would buy.. or what local store needs to sell more.. its the same that he said like "guy, you MUST buy in Brazil so you MUST pay 3 times more, then DON'T BUY right now. WORK for more 3 months and then SPEND the whole money you made in my speakers" !

I really think its crazy. I dont know the people who work for Paradigm but it happens sometimes when the company employs only people who knows about the product but dont know about Marketing Plan, business to consumer,etc... so dont matter with the person is an expert in speakers..etc.. if he doesn't know how to treat the costumers.. how to Increase Sales... they won't be that longer in their business.

Do you guys accept doing a test? Im wondering if one of you guys asked like "Please, I'd like to know the dimension of the Signature S8's box. I need to buy them in ( some US city)and drive to (another US city)but im not sure if they would fit in my car which is small ( you can say a model)".

Just to know if the problem is about different contries or even in US market they will hide the infos.
Maybe it will works. ; )

ricardovasco, Do you still need to know the dimensions of the studio 20 box? If so they are 19 inch high by 16 3/4 inch wide by 12 inch deep! I am looking to sell my studio 20's piano black that are in perfect condition! I want to get another pair that will match my black ash studio 100's that will be here next month. PM me if you are interested.

That is absurd. Paradigm is a Canadian company. They're not going to give special treatment to Americans.

It's too bad they won't tell you the packaging dimensions. Obviously you want to buy Paradigm. But what about speaker manufacturers in Brazil? Surely there must be a quality company, making quality speakers. It may be an alternative to getting frustrated. Even if you do go to the US to buy and bring back, just be aware, it may not be as easy as you think. If I'm not mistaken, a Paradigm dealer can refuse to sell product to someone who does not live in their market area.
Good Luck & Happy Shopping!

Thanks ,AVKIK!

I already PM you.

Regards
Ricardo

IXinchnail, do you think informing the dimension of their box is a "special treatment"?
Sorry but its sickness.

I would like to disagree, as long as we're not talking about physically picking up the speaker (I'm assuming you're talking about mail order). Before I bought my Paradigms, I went to a lot of places to listen to speakers. Let me rephrase that, I tried to go places and listen to speakers. I found two places with decent listening spaces. One was a B&W dealer another was a Paradigm dealer. Now, if I could have gone on Amazon and gotten these speakers at a 50% discount, I admit, I probably would have, but that wasn't an option with these two brands.

While this policy isn't perfect (e.g. no product in stock to listen) it does prevent a customer from using the dealers time and resources to make a big purchase, then go find the product for $100 less from another dealer who hasn't spent any time with you at all.

Unlike a car dealer, Paradigm dealers don't make money on 500 hour speaker tuneups, new tweeter drivers at 2,000 hours, etc.

You completely missed my point and twisted my words. It's absurd to think Paradigm will give information (i.e. special treatment) to Americans but not Brazilians.

I don't have any problem with them refusing to give out their box sizes because it's pretty obvious you're trying to circumvent their dealer distribution system. You should realize that you're trying to purchase an item in a way that the manufacturer does not approve, which I know you do. Therefore, if you are not able to come up with a good enough ruse to bypass the system, you should only be upset with yourself.

That said, I would absolutely try the same thing if it was going to cost me less than buying locally.

I haven't seen a good car analogy in a while.

I was talking about going in an authorized dealer's shop, listening to speakers, and buying them in the store (not online) whether it's in Florida, California, or New York.

What if I visit a hifi shop while on vacation or a business trip? Is the dealer supposed to check my driver's license at the door and refuse to talk to me if I'm out of my local area? Why would a company not allow it's dealers to sell to a customer who has the desire and the means to buy their product?

Thanks IXinchnail. I still do not understand your point. I mean, there is no rules like that "if you are brazilian you must buy products only in Brazil... if you are Canadian you MUST buy only products in Canada".. they can not do that. If it happened how could survive the economy of countries? I live in Rio de Janeiro ,for example,so if you come here tomorrow and want to buy like 10 Havaianas ( brazilian flip flops) I can garantee that the seller would ask "hey, do you need them package for gift or if you buy 2 or 3 more I can give you a better price..etc".. Im not comparing the things. Its the same if I go to Torneau or Mayors (Rolex dealers from NYC and FL) and ask to see a Rolex Daytona Rose Gold ( costs 25-30.000 usd). Do you think the seller would tell me to buy them in a authorized Rolex in Brazil or what?! Of course not. He would try to sell as much as he could. Why does Paradigm need to be that especial.. that different.
"You should realize that you're trying to purchase an item in a way that the manufacturer does not approve, which I know you do. ".

Which wrong way you mean? Is there fake products from Paradigm? That would be a wrong and unacceptable way!However, if I email the Paradigm dealer and they said they don't know the box dimension:

Craig Jeske

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Sorry No, I do not have that info right now. Once the product comes in I can send to you.



I would estimate 12x16x18 for the studio 20's



12x16x22 for the center.



We need to place this po soon.


So I asked the Vice President and he also did agree about his marketing assitent:

Bob Gassel
para mim, Mark

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Dear Mr. Costa,



Thank you for your message. We understand your desire to have high quality products at the lowest possible cost. We hope you will understand our need to care for our customers at all levels including consumers, dealers and country importer-distributors. This is the reason Erin responded in the way she did.



Thank you for your interest.


Regards,



Bob Gassel

V.P. International Sales

Paradigm Electronics Ltd.

Another question. I dont know if you do, but if you have a son and then you travel from Europe to NYC and decide to buy a baby's car from a good brand..top of mind..etc.. so you know the europeans can bring mostly 20kg ( sometimes more depending of the flight class) and also need to respect the dimension rules. Would you buy the nice babys car without ask them about the huge package it comes in? Remember it is your son's birthday and he would love to have that amazing car but you know you can through your money away if you go to airport and the guy from your flight company says" Sorry, you are not allowed to check in this package". So what? Should you leave the package there or give to another kid?

Come on. I didnt ask if I could copy their speaker model. The question I asked them could be informed from all the consumers who got the same product and thats what happened. Thats all. It was ridiculous because they tried to make the things hard against a future consumer. Im sure Im like 0,5% of the population. If you ask to a thousand of people if they would buy a product from a brand which tried to hide a dimension information from their product, im sure 99% at least would say NO.

Anyway, sorry guys for the english mistakes. I need to improve that a lot ; )

I got your point : It's absurd to think Paradigm will give information (i.e. special treatment) to Americans but not Brazilians.

Yep, I do agree. When I said like "lets do a test..ask them again..etc" its not because the Paradigm would treat american better than treat brazilians. I just would like to make sure if they would keep this way hiding this type of info. Dont matter if an Indian, American, Brazilian, asks.. I just could believe they could keep hard like that. ; )

THey will not fit in any car in the boxes. I loaded them into a large van and they just fit to the rear door.

Most Paradigm Towers are supposed to ship in the vertical position, in the factory packaging. There is no way you could properly transport S8s in a car.
The speakers are big and when in the box the package is Huge!

Good luck, ayrton

Hey all,
Just wanted you to know that the MilleniaOne 5.1 review just posted over at Secrets (hometheaterhifi.com).

Here is a picture of the boxes to eliminate any doubt they won't fit in a car:

I thought he was looking at Studio 20 not S8.

Yes I am looking at Studio 20. The S8 maybe fits in a big van ; )

need some help on my desicion. Im have a denon 3311, and a emotiva xpa-5 amp. for my front and center speakers I have cinema cc330, surrounds are adp 190, and sub is dsp 3400, I want to up upgrade my L/C/R speakers from the cinnema cc330 to the millinea 30's. Eeverything sounds great the way it is, but always looking for something better. so thought id get out of the cinnema line paradigms, my local digm dealer is takeing my cc330's on trade for the mill 30's and giving me a great deal on them, will this be a decent step up in quality for me?he tells me that it is a great upgrade for me to do. I need a speaker I can hang up on the wall ,so this is why Iam sticking with these options. any commets will be appreciated thanx

I guess this is where we got the S8 size from. I thought I was loosing it.

I have Millenia 30 for L/C/R and am very happy. They are a great on-wall speaker. Note they only go down to 110 Hz. I use them with a DSP-3200 and set the crossover on my AVR 10 120Hz. I see you have a DSP 3400. It should work well.

Thanks Ayrton! Yep, I said S8 to change the speakers model just in case they thought it was someone asking for me.

Hey guys how much better is the sig series to the studio series???

Currently running studio 60, 20s, 690 and sub 12 with an mrx 700

is it worth the money to go to s6's, s2's, c5, and sub1 with an mrx 700 or do I also need to add an A2 for power on the s6's

Thanks you ow so much

thanx I was hopeing that it would be somewhat of an upgrade over my cinema cc330, Iam also hopeing I can get them hung and old ones switched out before the wife even knows lol. I did that when i went from the dsp 3200 to the dsp 3400, even though it was bigger ,she never noticed , I did get a comment that the bass was to loud though

I was going to post this mini-review anyway, but The_Spyder's post got me to write it...........

I'm 90% finished with an evaluation of Studio 40 v.4 vs. Signature S4. As most know, these are parallel in placement within their respective lines, though both have now been discontinued (sadly). I was fortunate to have a local dealer with a demo pair of S4s that I could take home for the weekend. I already have the 40s.
I am really clear that sound preference is subjective. Many will take issue with my decision.... I'm keeping the 40s. Of course, money is somewhat of a factor, but I would have kept the S4s if they really worked significantly better for me.

I'm powering them with an Onkyo 5008 - plenty of power for them. The room is approx 15 x 25. I compared prior to Audessey calibration and after (with separate calibration for each model).

For me, the S4s are stronger in the lower registers, though this is mostly mute as I'm using a sub and crossing over at 50Hz (60 for the 40s). BTW, Audessey set both sets at 40Hz. The S4s do have the edge in "air" and transparency, with a slight edge in imaging. However, for me, this is at the cost of warmth and musicality. They sound too analytical. Sterile is too strong a word, but in that direction. I found myself aware of the engineering of the music rather than getting lost in the music.

The 40s are slight warmer and laid back. They really sacrifice very little in upper midrange detail. I notice the difference more in the highs (symbols, brushes, etc.), but it doesn't feel like the Studios are lacking in that area; it's just different.

The Sigs ended up being fatiquing for me. It's like I had to work harder while listening. With the Studs, I get lost in the music much more easily. They feel more emotional.

With a car analogy, I'd equate the Sigs with a high performance sports car like a Ferrari or Maserati and the Studs with an Audi/BMW. If I could only have one car, it would be more likely the latter for day to day, all purpose use.

So there you have it; my opinion from my experience this weekend - nothing more. Others would no doubt favor the Sigs.

While I'm at it, here is a photo of stands that I built for the Studio 40s. All materials from Home Depot. The pillars are sand filled and the base is made out of double layer 3/4" oak (1 1/2" thick). So the stands are heavy and the weight of the base really makes them stable.

18" high by the way.

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Was wondering what AVR's you guys are using for your Paradigms??? Currently I'm using an Onkyo 807 but thinking of upgrading very soon and curious which AVR I should consider using with my Paradigms?? I do like the THX modes Onkyo has!

I'm using a Pioneer SC-25, 140 wpc, ICE amps. I like it very much. I looked at Dennon and Onkyo before deciding but liked the Pioneer better. It's MCACC calibration program allows you to tweak individual speaker settings very nicely but uses a universal cross-over setting for all speakers. That's probably the one thing I don't like about it but it still works very well for me.

Forgot to mention, I'm driving Studio 100's, CC-690, ADP-590's and ADP-390's with it. I plan to get an Emotiva XPA-3 to drive the fronts and center eventually but the SC-25 seems to do a good job by itself.

I just sold my 100s and 690 and highly recommend the XPA-3 or = amp. Made a big difference with these speakers.