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post #23641 of 30097
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

The Center 1 has a 3.5" Midrange driver and 5.5" Bass drivers.
The Center 3 has a 4.5" Midrange driver and 6.5" Bass drivers.

I will always advocate getting the biggest center speaker possible (within a particular speaker line) unless you absolutely do not want to spend the extra money. Will you notice a difference between the 1 and 3? Yes. Will the difference justify you spending an extra $300? Only you can answer that based on many factors that vary from person to person (money, usage, what you hope to achieve with your setup, etc).

Thanks for the quick reply. I plan to use it 50/50 between music and movies. I'm gonna head to the dealers tomorrow and see if they have some in stock for a test. Hard to find reviews for these suckers though online...
post #23642 of 30097
What are the best settings for my new monitor 9 v7's through audyssey? Right now they're set to "small", with a crossover at 60hz. Audyssey had defaulted them to the "large" speaker setting, but I've read you never want to select that.
post #23643 of 30097
I have a chance to purchase a mint pair Studio 20 V.5's in "Rose Nut".
They include are a pair of Guerilla Audio solid silver pair of jumper cables and have also been upgraded with Marigo tuning dots on their cabinets and drivers. I can get them for $400. Is this a no-brainer? I don't really need them but it seems like a great deal.

Also.....what are Marigo tuning dots??
post #23644 of 30097
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Originally Posted by mgproudfit View Post

What are the best settings for my new monitor 9 v7's through audyssey? Right now they're set to "small", with a crossover at 60hz. Audyssey had defaulted them to the "large" speaker setting, but I've read you never want to select that.

If you are running a subwoofer bump them up to 80. If not leave them set to large.
post #23645 of 30097
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Originally Posted by mgproudfit View Post

What are the best settings for my new monitor 9 v7's through audyssey? Right now they're set to "small", with a crossover at 60hz. Audyssey had defaulted them to the "large" speaker setting, but I've read you never want to select that.

I have mine set at 80hz, my Audyssey set mine, like yours, at 60hz. I experiment from time to time but choose 80hz. Like others said on this forum, let the sub do the work.

Jeff
post #23646 of 30097
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Originally Posted by rlhaudio View Post

I never considerd Paradigm speaker until I heard them at my dealer. (he just started carrying them) I was able to audition the Studio 100's and I must say im impressed. Im going to compare them with the B&W 804d next week. I am looking for a 5ch system. In the past I have owned Klispch kG, Mirage M1si, B&W cmd7 and 802D (had to sell) and currently Mirage OMD (ya, there ok for the price but not want im looking for). I almost feel B&W has priced their speakers so HIGH they may have lost a buyer.
I can buy the studio 100's ($3800) with a center ($1900) and rears ($800 ea) for about $7300. The B&W 804D sells for $7500 not including the center and rears. Not sure I can justify the cost difference for a small change in sound. I'll be using my B&W ASW 855 sub. (no worries with bass)
I was wondering if the Signature series are much better than the studio series? Not sure I can find them near me. Are they worth driving miles to audition or is the price diff. not really worth the extra effort?
Also I was thinking of buying the Parasound Halo 5 ch amp, Classe 5ch amp, or McIntosh 5 ch amp.. any opinions?

I think the Paradigm Signature line is a pretty close match to B&W's 800 diamonds at a bit less money. I have not listened to them side by side to say which is actually better, but they are definetly in the same league. I wouldn't expect the studio line to match up to the B&W diamonds or the Paradigm Sigs if you are into music and looking for absolute sound quality. Whether or not the difference in sound quality is worth the money is up to you.

As far as amps, I've owned the older Parasound HCA's, Halo's, and McIntosh MC205. I ended up selling the McIntosh 5 channel and switching back to the Parasound for my center and surrounds. While the two amps definetly sound different, I can't say one is better than the other, they both have strengths and weaknesses and the price difference was not worth it to me. I did end up buying a McIntosh MC402 for the front channels and I can say that it is a step up in all categories from the Parasound Halo A21 it replaced.
post #23647 of 30097
Question for the ultra knowledgeable Paradigm members in here:

Is there a "typical" upgrade schedule for the Studio line of speakers, like every 3, 4, 5 years? When does Paradigm typically announce a new version to one of their lines? When were the v5 Studios released?

Thanks
post #23648 of 30097
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Question for the ultra knowledgeable Paradigm members in here:

Is there a "typical" upgrade schedule for the Studio line of speakers, like every 3, 4, 5 years? When does Paradigm typically announce a new version to one of their lines? When were the v5 Studios released?

Thanks

v1 -1997, v2 - 2000, v3 -2004, v4 -2007, v5 - January 2009
post #23649 of 30097
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

v1 -1997, v2 - 2000, v3 -2004, v4 -2007, v5 - January 2009

Awesome. Thanks.

Basically there is no pattern to revisions I take it. Must just be based on when R&D comes up with new improvements that are worth deploying, as evident by the short 2 year gap between the version 4's and 5's.
post #23650 of 30097
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Originally Posted by NewToHT View Post

I have a chance to purchase a mint pair Studio 20 V.5's in "Rose Nut".
They include are a pair of Guerilla Audio solid silver pair of jumper cables and have also been upgraded with Marigo tuning dots on their cabinets and drivers. I can get them for $400. Is this a no-brainer? I don't really need them but it seems like a great deal.

Also.....what are Marigo tuning dots??

Well marigo audio is no longer in business, so that should tell you something lol. They appear to be some sort of dot you affix to the actual speaker that allows you to dial in other frequencies for fine tuning. People believe these actually work and improve the speakers sound.

$400 is a smoking deal on those speakers regardless. You could flip those and easily triple your money. I'm not sure I would be using them with the tuning dots.

http://www.google.com/search?q=marig...&client=safari
post #23651 of 30097
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Originally Posted by mgproudfit View Post

What are the best settings for my new monitor 9 v7's through audyssey? Right now they're set to "small", with a crossover at 60hz. Audyssey had defaulted them to the "large" speaker setting, but I've read you never want to select that.

You are correct to set them to small.

The exact cross-over that's best for your system, given your room's acoustics, and the capabilities of your sub, can only be determined by you. 80hz is a good starting point, as that's the best option in the majority of situations, but room acoustics are a MASSIVE wild card that can change things dramatically. The sub you're using can make a difference, too, although if you're running Monitor 9's I suspect you're not using a crap sub.

I'd give a listen and 80, 70, and 60, and see which actually sounds best to you. Be sure to listen to both loud action movies and a variety of music types to be sure.

The most common appropriate setting is indeed 80, and if you don't want to mess with it, just put it there and forget it. But if you really want to dial in your system and be SURE you're getting the most out of it, those with more capable speakers (bookshelves generally needn't bother, but you have full-range-capable towers), might benefit, in some cases, from a slightly lower crossover. Your Monitor 9's can certainly dig lower than 80, the question is, do they do a better job than the sub? And how much power are they pulling to do this, to justify it?

Likely 80 will end up still being the correct choice. But it's possible that you'll like 70 better, and shouldn't ignore that in favor of the "general guideline" that applies in "most" (but not "every") situation. 60 is less much likely, but still a possibility, so at least give it a listen, IMO.
post #23652 of 30097
Im running the sub that comes with the Pinnacle MB8000 5.1 system. It's an 8" 300W sub. At this point, it's the weak point of my system. Well, the center channel too, but that'll be resolved in a few months.

I wouldn't call the Pinnacle a "crap" sub, but it's certainly not on par with my M9's and AM7's.

-Matt
post #23653 of 30097
btw, thanks for the lengthy reply. I appreciate the info.

-Matt
post #23654 of 30097
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Awesome. Thanks.

Basically there is no pattern to revisions I take it. Must just be based on when R&D comes up with new improvements that are worth deploying, as evident by the short 2 year gap between the version 4's and 5's.

Change in cabinet design between revisions is apparent, along with internal charges. You can see the changes made to each reversion v.3 vs v.4 vs v.5. The three linked reviews discuss some of the changes on the last three revisions of the Studio 100 model for example.
post #23655 of 30097
Wow, Im glad I went back and re-checked my settings. My front (Monitor 9's) were set to crossover at 40hz!!! Switched that back to 80hz and it sounds a lot nicer. I can't believe Audyssey thought 40hz was ok.

My center channel is set to crossover at 150hz. That seems REALLY high. Thoughts? It's also from the Pinnacle MB8000 5.1 set. Hmm...

-Matt
post #23656 of 30097
Hello everyone,

I'm the happy owner of a 7.1 paradigm set up. I have the following speakers:

Centre channel: CC-390 V.6
Fronts: M 9's V.5
Sides: ADP-390's v.6
Rears: ADP-190's v.5

I am a Paradigm convert from Bose speakers (series 1) which I had for many years till I gave them to my brother for free after upgrading to the Paradigm speakers.

My speaker usage is 96-98% (movies, documentaries, news), 2-4% music.

My question is why do paradigm owners chose the monitor series speakers or why do they chose Studio or Signature series speakers. Since I listen to very little music (not a big music fan) why would I want to upgrade to Studio or Signature speakers? Are these higher level/grade speakers geared towards music lovers and if I upgraded would I have a better movie experience? Also, the price for Studio or Signature speakers is not something I could obsorb with my budget. I would really hurt myself financially if I purchased these higher level speakers on credit.

So back to my simple question:

For my needs, am I missing out on something by not purchasing the Studios or Signature Series speakers?

Thanks everyone and I'm really enjoying this thread seeing all the Paradigm owners enjoying their chosen speakers and different set ups.
post #23657 of 30097
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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

My question is why do paradigm owners chose the monitor series speakers or why do they chose Studio or Signature series speakers. Since I listen to very little music (not a big music fan) why would I want to upgrade to Studio or Signature speakers? Are these higher level/grade speakers geared towards music lovers and if I upgraded would I have a better movie experience? Also, the price for Studio or Signature speakers is not something I could obsorb with my budget. I would really hurt myself financially if I purchased these higher level speakers on credit.

So back to my simple question:

For my needs, am I missing out on something by not purchasing the Studios or Signature Series speakers?

Thanks everyone and I'm really enjoying this thread seeing all the Paradigm owners enjoying their chosen speakers and different set ups.

Why can people afford to buy new cars but can't afford speakers? A Paradigm Reference Signature 5.1 setup costs less than a new car, and they will last you twenty years or more. You can use them every day, and they cost nothing to maintain. How is this expensive for the amount of enjoyment they give you?

If luxury speakers were a status symbol the opposite sex found attractive, more people would buy them. Too bad I waited until I was middle aged, gaining weight, and losing hair before I bought mine. Life is too short for cheap speakers
post #23658 of 30097
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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

Hello everyone,

I'm the happy owner of a 7.1 paradigm set up. I have the following speakers:

Centre channel: CC-390 V.6
Fronts: M 9's V.5
Sides: ADP-390's v.6
Rears: ADP-190's v.5

I am a Paradigm convert from Bose speakers (series 1) which I had for many years till I gave them to my brother for free after upgrading to the Paradigm speakers.

My speaker usage is 96-98% (movies, documentaries, news), 2-4% music.

My question is why do paradigm owners chose the monitor series speakers or why do they chose Studio or Signature series speakers. Since I listen to very little music (not a big music fan) why would I want to upgrade to Studio or Signature speakers? Are these higher level/grade speakers geared towards music lovers and if I upgraded would I have a better movie experience? Also, the price for Studio or Signature speakers is not something I could obsorb with my budget. I would really hurt myself financially if I purchased these higher level speakers on credit.

So back to my simple question:

For my needs, am I missing out on something by not purchasing the Studios or Signature Series speakers?

Thanks everyone and I'm really enjoying this thread seeing all the Paradigm owners enjoying their chosen speakers and different set ups.

No speaker is worth hurting yourself financially by running up a credit bill, no matter how good they sound. For me the Monitor v6 and Studio v5's tweeter were too bright and sometimes harsh sounding which too much sibilance. The Sig's fit the bill in that regard with the Be tweeter sounding much more pleasing to my ears and non fatiguing.

The only way for you and others who have asked the same question to find out is to go listen to them and decide for yourself.
post #23659 of 30097
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Originally Posted by mbfleming View Post


Why can people afford to buy new cars but can't afford speakers?

Because a car is a necessity of life for most people whereas speakers, no matter how appealing, good sounding, expensive, inexpensive, etc are just commodities that belong to the entertainment area of life.

*Note: does not apply to people who rely on speakers for a business.
post #23660 of 30097
My advice is, that for your needs and listening purpose, you do not need to upgrade to the Studios. I have owned the Monitor series, great speakers. I moved to the Studio line because I listen to a lot of music. Since you do not listen to a lot of music, I see no need for you to upgrade. The monitor series is perfect for your situation. If you walked into a retail store and asked the same question, this is the answer you should get if they are really looking out for your best interests.
The difference between the Studio and Monitor series is more noticeable with music.
Generally when watching a movie, you are so involved in the movie you are not listening to the speakers as opposed to when you are listening to music you are hearing every detail.
So enjoy your Monitors, they are very capable speakers and exactly what you need.

Save yourself some money and I hope this advice helps.
post #23661 of 30097
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post


Because a car is a necessity of life for most people whereas speakers, no matter how appealing, good sounding, expensive, inexpensive, etc are just commodities that belong to the entertainment area of life.

That's not totally true speakers are a necessity in my life if I don't have any speakers in our custom theater showrooms my Clint's cant see how good our work is for sound in the room and how well we keep the sound in.
post #23662 of 30097
What John1400 said! He beat me to it. I started with the Monitor series-ended up moving to the Sigs. Music performance is very important to me.
The Monitor series is great if you just use them for Movies and TV.
I still use Monitor series in my bedroom for tv-they're great speakers.
I think that as you move up to Studios and Sigs you get a better
balanced and smoother sound for music.
I have All 3 series in my home. Have some Studio 4O's for music in a different room. Full Signature series in Main Room.
post #23663 of 30097
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Originally Posted by Tooley View Post


That's not totally true speakers are a necessity in my life if I don't have any speakers in our custom theater showrooms my Clint's cant see how good our work is for sound in the room and how well we keep the sound in.

My statement was meant for consumer use/purchase. I corrected the post to reflect so. Obviously a business that relies on speakers, whether directly or indirectly, is a different story.
post #23664 of 30097
I also have the monitor series 7 bookeshevles as the front 3 in another room and they are great. Everyone has a budget and if all I could afford was the monitor series, then I would still be happy even listening to music. Monitor, studios, or sig's, all great products. A budget for everyone.

ps...grasshopper....monitor, studio and sig's....I must say I am a little jealous...lol

Cheersl
post #23665 of 30097
I wish Paradigm or the dealers had a very easy upgrade program where I could upgrade to the S8 and just pay the difference? Yes, I know I can invite people into my home (I would only sell local) and do a cash and carry once they hear them and see how well we have taken care of them? In the end making this process easy given the amount of hours I work would get me to upgrade in a heartbeat.
post #23666 of 30097
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Originally Posted by John1400 View Post

My advice is, that for your needs and listening purpose, you do not need to upgrade to the Studios. I have owned the Monitor series, great speakers. I moved to the Studio line because I listen to a lot of music. Since you do not listen to a lot of music, I see no need for you to upgrade. The monitor series is perfect for your situation. If you walked into a retail store and asked the same question, this is the answer you should get if they are really looking out for your best interests.
The difference between the Studio and Monitor series is more noticeable with music.
Generally when watching a movie, you are so involved in the movie you are not listening to the speakers as opposed to when you are listening to music you are hearing every detail.
So enjoy your Monitors, they are very capable speakers and exactly what you need.

Save yourself some money and I hope this advice helps.

I want to thank all who responded to my post. It is much appreciated because I'm thinking where do I draw the line when persuing this hobby. Things can quickly add up when there is no personal cost control in place and I could find myself in trouble. Thank you John1400, your response summed it perfectly for me and made me feel better about my past buying decisions and to restrain myself from making unnecessary future buying decisions.
post #23667 of 30097
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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

Hello everyone,

I'm the happy owner of a 7.1 paradigm set up. I have the following speakers:

Centre channel: CC-390 V.6
Fronts: M 9's V.5
Sides: ADP-390's v.6
Rears: ADP-190's v.5

I am a Paradigm convert from Bose speakers (series 1) which I had for many years till I gave them to my brother for free after upgrading to the Paradigm speakers.

My speaker usage is 96-98% (movies, documentaries, news), 2-4% music.

My question is why do paradigm owners chose the monitor series speakers or why do they chose Studio or Signature series speakers. Since I listen to very little music (not a big music fan) why would I want to upgrade to Studio or Signature speakers? Are these higher level/grade speakers geared towards music lovers and if I upgraded would I have a better movie experience? Also, the price for Studio or Signature speakers is not something I could obsorb with my budget. I would really hurt myself financially if I purchased these higher level speakers on credit.

So back to my simple question:

For my needs, am I missing out on something by not purchasing the Studios or Signature Series speakers?

Thanks everyone and I'm really enjoying this thread seeing all the Paradigm owners enjoying their chosen speakers and different set ups.

I posted this a while back and thought you might need to read it.
The price range for this hobby is almost infinite. I have just learned to set a budget, expect to spend a little more, and enjoy what I have. My monitor series V6, Yamaha 2010, PS3 and 55" Sony is the envy of many and probably junk to some others. The thing is, it sounds and looks great to me. At the end of the day, that is all that matters. Just my 2 cents.
post #23668 of 30097
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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

I want to thank all who responded to my post. It is much appreciated because I'm thinking where do I draw the line when persuing this hobby. Things can quickly add up when there is no personal cost control in place and I could find myself in trouble. Thank you John1400, your response summed it perfectly for me and made me feel better about my past buying decisions and to restrain myself from making unnecessary future buying decisions.

You are very welcome, enjoy!
post #23669 of 30097
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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

I'm the happy owner of a 7.1 paradigm set up. I have the following speakers:

Centre channel: CC-390 V.6
Fronts: M 9's V.5
Sides: ADP-390's v.6
Rears: ADP-190's v.5

That's a very nice set-up. Don't stop being happy with it.

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My question is why do paradigm owners chose the monitor series speakers or why do they chose Studio or Signature series speakers.

I suspect some choose the Monitor series because they represent good value for the money and/or a stepping stone into the "world of Paradigm speakers". (It's a nice world. ). Others might jump immediately to the Studios or Sigs because they've heard them and they know they want them, because they have the cash to buy them, because the feel they *should* own such nice speakers, etc.

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Since I listen to very little music (not a big music fan) why would I want to upgrade to Studio or Signature speakers? ... For my needs, am I missing out on something by not purchasing the Studios or Signature Series speakers?

If you don't think you're missing out on anything, you're not. When you start to notice or feel that you are, then you might be.

I loved my 20-year-old Paradigm 7se's. Wonderful speakers. Then I heard my buddy's Monitor 7 v4s that he was selling. I A/B'd them with my 7se's...and it was clear that the M7v4s were better for the HT I was setting up.

I eventually heard Studio 60v4s...and I really liked them. When I came across a really good deal on a gently-used pair, I figured it was time to move up. Shortly thereafter, I bought a CC-590. Within a few days, after one listen to a CC-690, I sold the 590 because the 690 was just THAT MUCH better.

YMMV. But as long as you enjoy what you have, don't feel that you're missing out on something. Life's too short not to enjoy where you are / what you have. But when you do get to the point where you feel you might be missing out on something, well, happy shopping!

And that's my speech for today.
post #23670 of 30097
Hi,

I'm selecting speakers for a 5.1 system. Probably about 50/50 music/movies. For a Paradigm system, I am looking at the Studios, but I'm curious about mixing in Monitors for the surrounds.

Here's what I'm looking at:
LR: Studio 60 (maybe 20s, 100s probably too big)
C: 590 or 690

Surrounds: Monitor Surrounds
Sub: Monitor Sub (size: 12?) or Seismic 110.

Room: about 18x12, with openings to a larger area. 1600ft^3 listening/mixed use connected to another 3000 ft^3 by two hallways.

Any opinions on the surrounds: Monitor vs. the ADP590s? All my music is two channel audio, so I'm thinking the surrounds will primarily be used for movies.

For the subs: I will be looking at some ID subs, but the small Paradigms might be a better fit psychologically: convincing my wife that invisible (ie cute/tiny/etc) speakers is not the most important thing is still a work in progress. I'm keeping my fingers crossed when we visit some showrooms.

Comments?

thanks
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