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post #24841 of 28212
5/9/12 at 10:22am
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They've been doing multi track recording since the 60's, it's just the norm, not really a waste since we only have two ears.

There's a huge SACD library available, you just have to know where to look.

But unfortunately with the iTunes "revolution" music reproduction is kind of all over the map. Highly compressed MP3 is sadly becoming the norm for a lot of folks, where quantity supersedes quality.

There's potential for downloaded music to be better than CD quality so hopefully as storage becomes cheaper, and subsequently more available, more high resolution and multi-channel music will become available.

I wasn't kidding about Blu Ray live concert audio quality though, if one hasn't tried it, it should be high on your to-do list. I know there's also some audio-only BD's available, but I've only seen classical material so I haven't tried it.

The other phenomena I've noticed is a lot of new artist's titles are being released on vinyl. That's pretty cool, I just got back into it, and effectively doubled my music collection, I have at least 200 albums from the days of my "yoot". It's an interesting sound after being away from it for a while.

Where can one find this huge SACD library. I was under the impression that they are hard to come by. I haven't considered buying a SACD player because I thought it was a dying format and the price of the players seem to be quite high.
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5/9/12 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

They've been doing multi track recording since the 60's, it's just the norm, not really a waste since we only have two ears.

There's a huge SACD library available, you just have to know where to look.

But unfortunately with the iTunes "revolution" music reproduction is kind of all over the map. Highly compressed MP3 is sadly becoming the norm for a lot of folks, where quantity supersedes quality.

There's potential for downloaded music to be better than CD quality so hopefully as storage becomes cheaper, and subsequently more available, more high resolution and multi-channel music will become available.

I wasn't kidding about Blu Ray live concert audio quality though, if one hasn't tried it, it should be high on your to-do list. I know there's also some audio-only BD's available, but I've only seen classical material so I haven't tried it.

The other phenomena I've noticed is a lot of new artist's titles are being released on vinyl. That's pretty cool, I just got back into it, and effectively doubled my music collection, I have at least 200 albums from the days of my "yoot". It's an interesting sound after being away from it for a while.

I'm not having much luck finding a lot of sacd music tht runs along my tastes. I have may e 19 disks total, which includes a few DVD-A as well. I know Bill Mac has spent a small fortune on his collection recently too. I do have a few blurays and they are quite nice, especially that Eric Clapton hosted blues fest.

iTunes did do a number on the mp3 market with their AAC compression. A lot of new music these days is highly compressed but to reverse this effect, it's going to take a long time. As long as people to continue to buy it, they will continue to release it. The younger crowd who has only known mp3s all their lives are unfortunately the ones who do not know what they are missing.

I have a lot of vinyl I've been collecting since spinning my first hifi setup in 1981.
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post #24843 of 28212
5/9/12 at 11:35am
Try these guys if you haven't already;

http://store.acousticsounds.com/

I've gotten quite a bit of stuff there, I think about 2500 SACD titles...
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post #24844 of 28212
5/9/12 at 11:45am
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I haven't considered buying a SACD player because I thought it was a dying format and the price of the players seem to be quite high.

I don't know about dying, I think it's still quite popular in classical circles because of the wider dynamic range and the need to convey the size and scope of large orchestras. You certainly see a lot more new releases in that genre.

I don't think it'll be too long before you can download that quality more readily, so starting a collection now might be a waste.
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5/9/12 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

Try these guys if you haven't already;

http://store.acousticsounds.com/

I've gotten quite a bit of stuff there, I think about 2500 SACD titles...

Wow, awesome store.....there goes the majority of my next few pay checks. Been waiting to find a store with a collection like this.

What are some favorites for classic rock fans?
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post #24846 of 28212
5/9/12 at 5:19pm
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I don't know about dying, I think it's still quite popular in classical circles because of the wider dynamic range and the need to convey the size and scope of large orchestras. You certainly see a lot more new releases in that genre.

I don't think it'll be too long before you can download that quality more readily, so starting a collection now might be a waste.

Thanks for the info and I stand corrected. Now I have to decide if I want to spend that type of money on a player and the media to play. Damn, how many times do I have to buy Steely Dan - Aja. Cassette, album, cd, DVD, and now this. Sorry to take us off topic but thanks again. On to my dealer to set up a demo. Why does it sound like I have a bad drug habit?
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post #24847 of 28212
5/10/12 at 8:04am
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Wow, awesome store.....there goes the majority of my next few pay checks. Been waiting to find a store with a collection like this.

What are some favorites for classic rock fans?

Without derailing this thread too far off topic, there's obvious ones like Dark Side Of The Moon and Aja as mentioned above. I'm sure there has to be a thread or two with music as a subject here somewhere. I know there's an excellent one for live concert discussions.

I find not all music lends itself well to multi-channel SACD, and it's fairly dependent on how the engineer mixes it. What would he do with something like the Police where it's a three piece band for instance? In theory you could easily over-gimmick it.
But something with multiple layers of instruments and ambiance like DSOTM obviously lends itself well to that medium. Also a lot of SACD's have both 5.1 & 2.0 layers, and the 2 channel layer is also higher resolution than CD's.
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post #24848 of 28212
5/10/12 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by pappaduke View Post

Thanks for the info and I stand corrected. Now I have to decide if I want to spend that type of money on a player and the media to play. Damn, how many times do I have to buy Steely Dan - Aja. Cassette, album, cd, DVD, and now this. Sorry to take us off topic but thanks again. On to my dealer to set up a demo. Why does it sound like I have a bad drug habit?

Get an Oppo bdp-83 for SACD duty (and blu-ray for that matter). It does a great job, and won't break the bank.
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post #24849 of 28212
5/10/12 at 9:14am
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Get an Oppo bdp-83 for SACD duty (and blu-ray for that matter). It does a great job, and won't break the bank.

Yeah, that's about as no-brainer as you can get. He's using a Yamaha with YPAO so he'd want to send DSD direct over HDMI to avoid double processing.
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post #24850 of 28212
5/10/12 at 9:18am
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Get an Oppo bdp-83 for SACD duty (and blu-ray for that matter). It does a great job, and won't break the bank.

Thanks, my initial search came up with $1000+ players from various manufacturers but I did stumble upon the Oppo bdp-93 which their site says has replaced the 83. Looks like I can get something nice at a decent price. Thanks again for the info. Gotta love this hobby. There is always something else to buy whether it is new or upgrading. Hope we can get back on topic, because I love reading/talking about my digms.
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post #24851 of 28212
5/10/12 at 9:21am
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Yeah, that's about as no-brainer as you can get. He's using a Yamaha with YPAO so he'd want to send DSD direct over HDMI to avoid double processing.

Thanks for that tip. Are you people trying to help me spend my money
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post #24852 of 28212
5/10/12 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by pappaduke View Post

Thanks for that tip. Are you people trying to help me spend my money

Yup, wait until you run into Bill Mac and Warren in the surround music section of the site
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post #24853 of 28212
5/10/12 at 10:55am
Venomous, just to remind you about that pic. Thanks.
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post #24854 of 28212
5/10/12 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

I can't find it right now, but I'll look later.

Thank you, Venomous & Mkard. Really appreciate the help.

Mkard, I probably won't feel this way during the drive (in both directions), but I might be willing to make the trek to Tucson. Could you PM me with the details of the dealer that you worked with down there? And do you know if they're willing to do in-home trials (assuming with some sort of deposit agreement)?
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post #24855 of 28212
5/10/12 at 12:42pm
I moved the 20s into the master since they werent getting much use as front presence speakers. They are very impressive as a 2.1 setup.

I shot one picture near the door so you get an idea of how tall they are on the J29s. These sit at the same height as Studio 100s for reference.
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post #24856 of 28212
5/10/12 at 1:06pm
So having a hard time justifying this one. I have a monitor series 7 setup (monitor 7, center 1) for my front 3 channels. I decided to save a few bucks and reuse some old bookshelf speakers for my surrounds. On their own the old bookshelf's sound fine, watching TV and movies I never took particular notice of the rears good or bad, they do their job. I got a 5.1 audio DVD the other day and within seconds the rears just didn't sound good or right. The front stage sounded incredible, but the rears really shined through in a bad way. I do listen to a fair bit of music on these speakers, but realistically its all stereo, until a couple days ago... The majority of the use is TV/movies.

Dilemma is, I want to get a pair of atom or mini monitors to replace the old rear speakers. But given my music listening habits, and that I haven't noticed a sound quality issue with movies and TV, I don't really think I would notice the difference day to day, so its hard to justify several hundred dollars... Anyone want to help convince me otherwise, lol.
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post #24857 of 28212
5/10/12 at 1:13pm
Venemous-

That's pretty much how I have my set up, but 5.1, with 20's as the mains and the surrounds (and a cc590 for the center). So I'm eager to see/hear how 100's (as the mains) can add to the experience.
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post #24858 of 28212
5/10/12 at 1:15pm
I wanted to make sure I had timbre matching, so I got studio 10s for the rear channels. When I wanted to go for 9.2 and 11.2, I went with the mirage omd5s which work well. I simply turn them off when I listen to multichannel music.

If you aren't a serious mch music person, I wouldn't worry about it.
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post #24859 of 28212
5/10/12 at 4:46pm
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

I wanted to make sure I had timbre matching, so I got studio 10s for the rear channels. When I wanted to go for 9.2 and 11.2, I went with the mirage omd5s which work well. I simply turn them off when I listen to multichannel music.

If you aren't a serious mch music person, I wouldn't worry about it.

Any idea how multichannel music will sound with my setup. CC-290, Mon 9's, ADP-390's sides, ADP-190's rear and a PDR-100. Anyone,anyone? Yamaha 2010.
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post #24860 of 28212
5/10/12 at 6:11pm
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So having a hard time justifying this one. I have a monitor series 7 setup (monitor 7, center 1) for my front 3 channels. I decided to save a few bucks and reuse some old bookshelf speakers for my surrounds. On their own the old bookshelf's sound fine, watching TV and movies I never took particular notice of the rears good or bad, they do their job. I got a 5.1 audio DVD the other day and within seconds the rears just didn't sound good or right. The front stage sounded incredible, but the rears really shined through in a bad way. I do listen to a fair bit of music on these speakers, but realistically its all stereo, until a couple days ago... The majority of the use is TV/movies.

Dilemma is, I want to get a pair of atom or mini monitors to replace the old rear speakers. But given my music listening habits, and that I haven't noticed a sound quality issue with movies and TV, I don't really think I would notice the difference day to day, so its hard to justify several hundred dollars... Anyone want to help convince me otherwise, lol.

I have a similar set-up and use Atoms for the rear surrounds. I am very happy with them and they're not expensive. Couple hundred bucks, not several. I recommend them.
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post #24861 of 28212
5/10/12 at 10:47pm
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Originally Posted by LiamSevier View Post

Venemous-

That's pretty much how I have my set up, but 5.1, with 20's as the mains and the surrounds (and a cc590 for the center). So I'm eager to see/hear how 100's (as the mains) can add to the experience.

Manually cross 100s at 40hz and they simply pound, ESP with movies

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Originally Posted by pappaduke View Post

Any idea how multichannel music will sound with my setup. CC-290, Mon 9's, ADP-390's sides, ADP-190's rear and a PDR-100. Anyone,anyone? Yamaha 2010.

Should so fine. I'm pretty critical with music though, so I wanted everything to match since I had the funds.
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post #24862 of 28212
5/11/12 at 6:28am
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Originally Posted by pappaduke View Post

Any idea how multichannel music will sound with my setup. CC-290, Mon 9's, ADP-390's sides, ADP-190's rear and a PDR-100. Anyone,anyone? Yamaha 2010.

I think most MC music is designed with direct speakers in mind rather than adp's, but it should still sound good.
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post #24863 of 28212
5/12/12 at 7:54pm
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Originally Posted by LiamSevier View Post

Thank you, Venomous & Mkard. Really appreciate the help.

Mkard, I probably won't feel this way during the drive (in both directions), but I might be willing to make the trek to Tucson. Could you PM me with the details of the dealer that you worked with down there? And do you know if they're willing to do in-home trials (assuming with some sort of deposit agreement)?

Sorry it took so long. I'll PM info to you now.

Mike
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post #24864 of 28212
5/13/12 at 9:11am
After spending a few weeks with my new S8/C3 set up, I got some buyer's remorse on not moving up to the C5. My dealer has cut me a deep discount deal on a C5 to allow me to take a loss on selling the C3 and lose what I would have spent if I purchased the C5 initially.

Sooooo.....Anyone out there looking for a C3 at a good price? Call it 40-45% off MSRP, 2 weeks new....

Will be posting at some point in the for sale sections along with my Kef speakers I replaced.

Randy
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post #24865 of 28212
5/13/12 at 11:33am
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After spending a few weeks with my new S8/C3 set up, I got some buyer's remorse on not moving up to the C5. My dealer has cut me a deep discount deal on a C5 to allow me to take a loss on selling the C3 and lose what I would have spent if I purchased the C5 initially.

Sooooo.....Anyone out there looking for a C3 at a good price? Call it 40-45% off MSRP, 2 weeks new....

Will be posting at some point in the for sale sections along with my Kef speakers I replaced.

Randy

C3/CC590 just don't stack up well with S8/S100s. Hopefully you can sell that C3 on audiogon or here for a fair price.
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post #24866 of 28212
5/14/12 at 2:35pm
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

Not much comes out of the heights that would impact the timbre matching. So, go with a decent pair of speakers and be done with it. You can't go wrong with mirage in this aspect. So try aquiring mirage os3's Or omd5's. You could get a nice deal off eBay.

Thanks for the advice Venomous, the 0S3's are on my radar. I do listen in multi-channel stereo a lot and in the future plan to listen to SACD and some DVD-audio albums I've aquired for free when I get my universal player, so those front heights should be more substantial/impactful...no?
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post #24867 of 28212
5/15/12 at 12:45pm
No comments on the new Stereophile review of the Studio 20 v.5?

http://www.stereophile.com/content/p...v5-loudspeaker
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post #24868 of 28212
5/15/12 at 2:01pm
With a Paradigm Studio Sub 12 in place, is it better off having a pair of Studio 20v5 or 60v5? Obviously 20s doesn't have 2 bass drivers as 60s, but has a bigger midrange driver (7" vs. 5.5") and same tweeter.

I'm 60/40 music (40 being movie+tv shows+gaming) and listen to the music at very loud level. My current system consists of a pair of 60s and a Sub 12. So I'd like to find out if replacing 60s with 20s would be considered an upgrade/downgrade (with less money)? Or better yet, maybe the next upgrade I could do is replacing 60s with Sig S2.
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post #24869 of 28212
5/15/12 at 4:35pm
hey how do you think this set up would do for a home theatre?

Front speakers - Studio 10's
Center Channel - Studio CC 590
Back speakers - (2)ADP -490 V.5

it'll cost about $3500. Anyone have this set up or heard it? how would it perform as a home theatre it'll be for cable and movies, I also don't listen to TV/Movies at really high levels. Any other suggestion that would sound good and not cost anymore than $3500 that would be my max I could do for just speakers as I want a new AVR and I'm getting a new Panasonic Plasma to.

how would the MilleniaOne 5.0 compare to that set up? I like their price better hahaha I could then afford a better sub with the money difference.
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post #24870 of 28212
5/15/12 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by jkdesignco View Post

Thanks for the advice Venomous, the 0S3's are on my radar. I do listen in multi-channel stereo a lot and in the future plan to listen to SACD and some DVD-audio albums I've aquired for free when I get my universal player, so those front heights should be more substantial/impactful...no?

If you place your receivers decoder to straight, only 5.1 will come thru on DVD-A or SACD, so nothing will come out of your presence. If you goto 9/11ch stereo like my Yamaha offers, then sound will come out of those presence. This is why I recommend choosing the bookshelfs for the rear, whether they be 10s or 20s, then supplementing with mirage omd for presence. Some prefer adp's for surrounds too or a mix or both.
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