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post #24931 of 28073
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

I read a review in a link in this thread last year. The reviewer pointed out how the 590 was unable to produce a clear center soundstage due to its midbass limitation. He made the statement about how a larger center was produced by paradigm to address the problem. I never payed attention to the date of the review or if it was a preview type of review. Upon further research on the net, I found more user input saying the same thing about the 590 lacking midrange punch. I had already purchased my studios before I came across these reviews. I noticed the same thing during auditioning. The 590 isn't a good center for a large room where the seating position isn't close along with studio 100s. I went with the 690 after weeks of auditions. Although the size of the center could be atrocious, it's sound is remarkable.

I'm surprised paradigm didn't match the number of drivers in the 690 to the 590 by using the 5 1/2" ones. Most likely the cabinent size would of remained the same. The midrange section would be more present, but the speaker wouldn't obviously play as loud as a 690. The 690 is not a center you would find common in many peoples homes. It's size isn't compatible with 99% of the av furniture out there. Which gives more credibility to the review I read that is was a bandaid fix. If you look at centers by B&W that match CM9s or Diamond 800s, they aren't as big as a 690.

Personally I don't think a speaker sitting horizontal as designed makes room correction anymore difficult then a center channel not sitting at the right height, level with the L&R channels.

My center is roughly 8" lower than the tweeter height of my L and R channels. Reviewing pictures of people setups, some sit 10 to 15" lower then their main L&Rs. So is the problem with room correction really about a center channel speaker sitting horizontal or is it about the centers tweeter sitting much lower than the left and right channel?

I can't help but think much of the hype is bias that it is not the top model. The mid-range driver in competitors such Focal and B&W are of similar size to the C1|C3, and in total size comparable to the C3. I have not heard reports of similar issues. There is not another model to jump to. Or in the case of Focal there is another model line --but the price is much steeper, about $9K more for the center speaker.
post #24932 of 28073
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post


I can't help but think much of the hype is bias that it is not the top model. The mid-range driver in competitors such Focal and B&W are of similar size to the C1|C3, and in total size comparable to the C3. I have not heard reports of similar issues. There is not another model to jump to. Or in the case of Focal there is another model line --but the price is much steeper, about $9K more for the center speaker.

Or you can say Paradigm offers a killer center at a very "reasonable" price for those who can accommodate the size.

Personally I think 590/C3 are of perfect size/sound quality for a normal/medium room and I would probably not get 690/C5 mainly for aesthetic reason. It just looks too big if the room is not big.
post #24933 of 28073
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Originally Posted by jburns6113 View Post

I was looking to purchase either the Studio 100's and the 690cc or the Studion 60's and the 690cc but was wondering what you guys were using for speaker cables for your studio speakers. Choosing speaker wires for your front three channels can be baffeling..

As already mentioned, go the mono price route and save some cash. Maybe buy banana plugs to feel special. That's what I did.
post #24934 of 28073
hi guy,

i got offer a cheaper price for studio cc590(latest revision) which is a bit cheaper than signature c1 (latest revision) so which a better center speaker for my signature s1.

Thanks
post #24935 of 28073
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Originally Posted by squall12 View Post

hi guy,

i got offer a cheaper price for studio cc590(latest revision) which is a bit cheaper than signature c1 (latest revision) so which a better center speaker for my signature s1.

Thanks

Stick with the C1, I use one with my Sig Speakers
and it works great. I sit About six feet away
from it. Also, don't let anyone talk you out of the Sig
S1's. They are great speakers. Make sure you cross them
over at 80 or even 100 hz. With that Killer Rythmik Sub
you will be set.

Disclaimer: I own All the Above speakers And sub in my
home theater system.
post #24936 of 28073
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Originally Posted by jburns6113 View Post

I was looking to purchase either the Studio 100's and the 690cc or the Studion 60's and the 690cc but was wondering what you guys were using for speaker cables for your studio speakers. Choosing speaker wires for your front three channels can be baffeling..

I use Home Depot 2X12g in-wall wire. Your sub is excellent, and will work well with any front end.
post #24937 of 28073
ok thanks for advice then i will proceed to take the s1 and c1.
post #24938 of 28073
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post

I can't help but think much of the hype is bias that it is not the top model. The mid-range driver in competitors such Focal and B&W are of similar size to the C1|C3, and in total size comparable to the C3. I have not heard reports of similar issues. There is not another model to jump to. Or in the case of Focal there is another model line --but the price is much steeper, about $9K more for the center speaker.

I agree, and further, it sure as heck couldn't have been a factor in designing the C5, and the 690 is more likely a trickle-down clone based on the C5 given their release dates.
They've been using the same driver configuration of the 590/C3 since the first Studios and Actives.
I think Paradigm were the first to vertically align the tweeter and mid, so their dispersion pattern mimicked the mains. This was more important back then because music was still the primary multi-channel use, and voicing was critical. If it sucked I don't think it would have survived five generations.
Over time the center channels' role in the home changed with more movie content coming to the fore, and with that, a larger share of the material. Further, people were actually building theaters in their homes, with 120" screens and larger.
So if I had to speculate on why the C5 was designed, I'd have to say the latter is the main reason, not the 590/C3's inferred shortcomings.
post #24939 of 28073
Hello,
Just found some used Paradigm Reference Model 11se Mk II speakers. What would be a good Timbre match for the center channel I can keep an eye out for used?
post #24940 of 28073
So what do you guys think of the Paradigm Monitor 7 S7 towers? Thinking of purchasing them but not sure. How is the sound?
post #24941 of 28073
Got a pair of 7SE MKIII from an uncle - the grills are in pretty rough shape (cats, I believe). Is it possible to purchase replacement grills?
post #24942 of 28073
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Originally Posted by jumpman23j View Post

So what do you guys think of the Paradigm Monitor 7 S7 towers? Thinking of purchasing them but not sure. How is the sound?

I had a chance, albeit awhile ago, to listen to monitor7 side by side with b&w cm8 with the same receiver. Monitor7 plays larger, more detail and better low extension.
post #24943 of 28073
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post

I can't help but think much of the hype is bias that it is not the top model. The mid-range driver in competitors such Focal and B&W are of similar size to the C1|C3, and in total size comparable to the C3. I have not heard reports of similar issues. There is not another model to jump to. Or in the case of Focal there is another model line --but the price is much steeper, about $9K more for the center speaker.

Well reviews rarely criticize any speaker these days. From my personal home audition, I sit back a good distance and off axis a bit. The 690 clearly sounded better than the 590. Trust me, if I could of saved $600 I would of gotten the 590.

The only real complaint I have with the cc690 is that it's rear ported, which limits mounting it properly in my home.

When you look at focal, bw, dynaudio center channel speakers, you have to giggle at how small they are compared to paradigms.
post #24944 of 28073
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post


I agree, and further, it sure as heck couldn't have been a factor in designing the C5, and the 690 is more likely a trickle-down clone based on the C5 given their release dates.
They've been using the same driver configuration of the 590/C3 since the first Studios and Actives.
I think Paradigm were the first to vertically align the tweeter and mid, so their dispersion pattern mimicked the mains. This was more important back then because music was still the primary multi-channel use, and voicing was critical. If it sucked I don't think it would have survived five generations.
Over time the center channels' role in the home changed with more movie content coming to the fore, and with that, a larger share of the material. Further, people were actually building theaters in their homes, with 120" screens and larger.
So if I had to speculate on why the C5 was designed, I'd have to say the latter is the main reason, not the 590/C3's inferred shortcomings.

Having owned both a cc590 and now a C3, the performance of both in my listening room has been very good. I think the development of the cc690/c5 was more to address the need for a physically larger center channel with increased capabilities than to address perceived short comings of the 590/C3.
post #24945 of 28073
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

Or you can say Paradigm offers a killer center at a very "reasonable" price for those who can accommodate the size.

Personally I think 590/C3 are of perfect size/sound quality for a normal/medium room and I would probably not get it mainly for aesthetic reason. It just looks too big if the room is not big.

That's a much nicer way to describe it.

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Originally Posted by pappaduke View Post

As already mentioned, go the mono price route and save some cash. Maybe buy banana plugs to feel special. That's what I did.

I didn't like the selection at Monoprice. I would also like to throw out Blue Jeans Cable and Parts Express.

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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

Further, people were actually building theaters in their homes, with 120" screens and larger.
So if I had to speculate on why the C5 was designed, I'd have to say the latter is the main reason, not the 590/C3's inferred shortcomings.

I think this the perfect fit for the C5 as well. The room I demoed in was a theater. If I had a similar setup at home I would have gone with the C5. My room just isn't large enough. I find myself turning it down before there is any sign of the C3 struggling to fill the room.

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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

Well reviews rarely criticize any speaker these days. From my personal home audition, I sit back a good distance and off axis a bit. The 690 clearly sounded better than the 590. Trust me, if I could of saved $600 I would of gotten the 590.

The only real complaint I have with the cc690 is that it's rear ported, which limits mounting it properly in my home.

When you look at focal, bw, dynaudio center channel speakers, you have to giggle at how small they are compared to paradigms.

Yeah, I had a hard time getting anything useful out of the reviews. Yes, comparable in size to the C3, but nothing on the C5|690. B&Ws Diamond center is so strangely shaped, it seems like the stand is the best option.
post #24946 of 28073
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post

That's a much nicer way to describe it.



I didn't like the selection at Monoprice. I would also like to throw out Blue Jeans Cable and Parts Express.



I think this the perfect fit for the C5 as well. The room I demoed in was a theater. If I had a similar setup at home I would have gone with the C5. My room just isn't large enough. I find myself turning it down before there is any sign of the C3 struggling to fill the room.



Yeah, I had a hard time getting anything useful out of the reviews. Yes, comparable in size to the C3, but nothing on the C5|690. B&Ws Diamond center is so strangely shaped, it seems like the stand is the best option.


I thought the same thing when a dealer was trying to push me into the 800s. I told him I don't like speakers that remind me of alien craft.
post #24947 of 28073
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Originally Posted by 519audiofan View Post

Having owned both a cc590 and now a C3, the performance of both in my listening room has been very good. I think the development of the cc690/c5 was more to address the need for a physically larger center channel with increased capabilities than to address perceived short comings of the 590/C3.

Ha, well you and I agree to agree then!
post #24948 of 28073
I love my Studio 690. I never have to rewind a movie to catch missed dialogue. Even in loud action films. I feel it was the best speaker investment I have made.
post #24949 of 28073
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post


Ha, well you and I agree to agree then!

Lol...... Yes we do certainly agree!
post #24950 of 28073
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Originally Posted by 02Lightning View Post

Hello,
Just found some used Paradigm Reference Model 11se Mk II speakers. What would be a good Timbre match for the center channel I can keep an eye out for used?

I had a pair of those that I passed on to my sister when I upgraded. For their age they are still pretty good speakers. The SE series uses Studio series drivers so I would look for something from that line, maybe a CC-490 (?). There is a Studio CC v2 on eBay right now, starting bid 200 bucks. It wouldn't hurt to go newer though, I just don't know what your budget might be.
post #24951 of 28073
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Originally Posted by AC2011 View Post

Got a pair of 7SE MKIII from an uncle - the grills are in pretty rough shape (cats, I believe). Is it possible to purchase replacement grills?

I don't know about replacements but you might try a local shop to re-cover them.
post #24952 of 28073
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Originally Posted by Ishniknork View Post

I had a pair of those that I passed on to my sister when I upgraded. For their age they are still pretty good speakers. The SE series uses Studio series drivers so I would look for something from that line, maybe a CC-490 (?). There is a Studio CC v2 on eBay right now, starting bid 200 bucks. It wouldn't hurt to go newer though, I just don't know what your budget might be.

Don't really have a budget, I just like to get a good deal. I'll look into that, Thanks!
post #24953 of 28073
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post


When you look at focal, bw, dynaudio center channel speakers, you have to giggle at how small they are compared to paradigms.

someone clearly hasn't seen the Bowers and Wilkens HTM1D.

23"X38"X22"
205lbs

/maniacal laugh

Paradigm have a center like that?
post #24954 of 28073
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

I had a chance, albeit awhile ago, to listen to monitor7 side by side with b&w cm8 with the same receiver. Monitor7 plays larger, more detail and better low extension.

Well, I have heard Monitor7s, Monitor9s along with CM8. The area where CM8s bet the Paradigms was the vocals. In the Paradigms, somehow, the vocals were "lost" behind the instruments. In that sense Monitor7s were slightly better than the 9s.
But, the 9s sounded fuller than the 7s. I also felt that the Paradigms were slightly bright (more fatiguing) than the CM8.
I've to agree with you on the detail and low extension.

But, given that Monitor9 is almost half the price of CM8, the CM8s price was not justified for the performance difference. Even Monitor 11s are much cheaper than the CM8s.

So, if possible, I would suggest going to the 9s than the 7s, as they are more versatile.
post #24955 of 28073
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Originally Posted by tmaschm View Post

someone clearly hasn't seen the Bowers and Wilkens HTM1D.

23"X38"X22"
205lbs

/maniacal laugh

Paradigm have a center like that?

You're right, I've never seen one. After looking at pictures, I wouldn't want one either...
post #24956 of 28073
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Originally Posted by lifeisbeautiful View Post


Well, I have heard Monitor7s, Monitor9s along with CM8. The area where CM8s bet the Paradigms was the vocals. In the Paradigms, somehow, the vocals were "lost" behind the instruments. In that sense Monitor7s were slightly better than the 9s.
But, the 9s sounded fuller than the 7s. I also felt that the Paradigms were slightly bright (more fatiguing) than the CM8.
I've to agree with you on the detail and low extension.

But, given that Monitor9 is almost half the price of CM8, the CM8s price was not justified for the performance difference. Even Monitor 11s are much cheaper than the CM8s.

So, if possible, I would suggest going to the 9s than the 7s, as they are more versatile.

It was actually Monitor 9s that I listened to, not 7s. My bad. I was thinking the second highest in Monitor line but forgot about 11s (reminded by your post).
post #24957 of 28073
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post


You're right, I've never seen one. After looking at pictures, I wouldn't want one either...

I wish I had one haha.
post #24958 of 28073
First post here. I am looking to upgrade receiver and speakers for home theater and music room. I auditioned the mini monitor series 7's and was very impressed with how they performed. I currently have sony receiver and jbl 5.1speaker system purchased from bb 12 years ago. Due to budget my plan is to start with 2.1 and add on as money allows. The dealer i auditioned the speakers at offered me the mini 7's and marantz 1602 receiver for 1100 dollars. Is this a decent deal? Currently my satellite jbls offer ok movie viewing experience but just don't cut the mustard for listening to music. Total noob when it comes to quality audio tech so any suggestions are welcom. Plan would be to add sub in the near future. My theater room is in a 13x14 foot basement. Viewing area is 12 feet from television. Any suggestions are welcome.
post #24959 of 28073
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Originally Posted by jsip View Post

First post here. I am looking to upgrade receiver and speakers for home theater and music room. I auditioned the mini monitor series 7's and was very impressed with how they performed. I currently have sony receiver and jbl 5.1speaker system purchased from bb 12 years ago. Due to budget my plan is to start with 2.1 and add on as money allows. The dealer i auditioned the speakers at offered me the mini 7's and marantz 1602 receiver for 1100 dollars. Is this a decent deal? Currently my satellite jbls offer ok movie viewing experience but just don't cut the mustard for listening to music. Total noob when it comes to quality audio tech so any suggestions are welcom. Plan would be to add sub in the near future. My theater room is in a 13x14 foot basement. Viewing area is 12 feet from television. Any suggestions are welcome.

The new 2013 denons are out now, which will allow you to get a killer price on last years models for much cheaper, even allowing you to step up to the 17xx or 19xx series. Check out electronics expo's inventory online and then call them to get the lowest price. Probably save you some money then buying from your dealer.

If your primary focus will be theatre or tv viewing, you should consider stepping up to the bigger monitor series rather than the mini's. That's a faily large room for such small speakers. You are looking at a lot of dialog loss and dynamics with such tiny satellites.
post #24960 of 28073
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Originally Posted by tmaschm View Post

I wish I had one haha.

I would love to on diamonds if they could just stop making them look like robots.
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