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post #24991 of 28084
5/28/12 at 10:51am
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Originally Posted by Obsidians View Post

I don't think it makes sense to buy anything more than 7.2 if you're going to get the D2v. Buying for for the future is one thing, but you'd have 2 speakers and an amp completely unused. You're clearly not hurting for cash, but that's still pretty wasteful.

I'd go with:

Anthem:

(1) D2v
(3) M1
*(1) P5

That's 8 channels of amplification, so more than enough for the D2v's 7 channels of processing.

Paradigm:

(2) S8
(1) C5 + stand
(2) ADP3
*(2) S2 + stands
(2) Sub 2

The 2 S2s are for the rear channels. For the theatre design, keep in mind that you're spending about a hundred grand on electronics/drivers, so you want to budget some pretty significant money for the room itself to really get any kind of value out of that much high-end equipment. For instance, you're looking at well in excess of 20,000 watts of peak draw, so you're going to need some serious wiring to drive all of that load. You'd definitely want dedicated 240v lines for the subs and probably dedicated lines for the amps as well.

If/when you decide to go to 9.2 by adding heights, I'd recommend S1s, since they'd be much easier and less awkward-looking to mount high like that. If you wanted wides instead or in addition, I'd probably consider S2s on stands for that. Buying those additional speakers in advance wouldn't be especially useful since they'd just be sitting in a box somewhere until you changed out the D2v. I mean, I guess you could have them pre-installed waiting for some kind of D3v.....


I agree, that's a serious waste of such high quality speakers. The second pair of S2s would goto waste. Unless you wanted a 2.0 system in your toilet...

Considering I have a 11.2 paradigm studio system, I often move around speakers just to get hours on them. I recently began watching tv in full multi channel stereo mode so the speakers would be broken in and used.
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post #24992 of 28084
5/28/12 at 10:59am
Hmmm, I think I may have another problem...

I want these speakers to be "hidden" - the front 3 anyway - the ADP3s, etc., can be mounted on the walls and seen...

But I have been told that a perforated screen is not the best way to go...

So, how else can I get the S8 left and right, and the C5 center, "hidden"
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post #24993 of 28084
5/28/12 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

I'm looking for some advice , I currently have a Klipsch setup RF-7ll RC-64 ll RS-62 ll
also (2) HSU VTF-15H Subs UMC-1 - XPA-5

I found a decent deal on a New CC-690 v5 I am thinking about going from Klipsch to Paradigm , I'm wondering if anyone here listened to the CC-690 compared to the RC-64 ll and the 100's v5 compared to the RF-7ll's

I've gone from a Klipsch setup to Paradigm. I haven't had a chance to hear the RF7's, but I've spent plenty of time with the RF82's. I went to v.4 Studio 100's. I definitely prefer the Studios for music but I actually miss the Klipsch for movies once in a while. As most people will tell you, audition any speakers you are considering if at all possible. My preferences may be different than yours. All I can say is I don't regret the decision to switch.
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post #24994 of 28084
5/28/12 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by HomeTheaterGuy74 View Post

That doesn't mean that there are not better subs for less money out there...

Better is subjective, but as far as value is concerned Paradigm's are a bit pricier than some of the internet direct brands. I personally like the Rythmiks as far as performance/dollar is concerned.
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post #24995 of 28084
5/28/12 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by HomeTheaterGuy74 View Post

Hmmm, I think I may have another problem...

I want these speakers to be "hidden" - the front 3 anyway - the ADP3s, etc., can be mounted on the walls and seen...

But I have been told that a perforated screen is not the best way to go...

So, how else can I get the S8 left and right, and the C5 center, "hidden"

Depends on the screen, it's not an uncommon practice at all, and if you're predominantly into movies it's a great way to go, and you get to use a bigger screen as an added bonus.
There's quite a few choices out there, EluneVision has an "Audioweave" screen that's supposed to be really good.
Also the room correction of your pre-amp will help reduce the negatives of having an AT screen in front of your speakers.
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post #24996 of 28084
5/28/12 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by HomeTheaterGuy74 View Post

Do you really think having 2 Sub 2 is overkill? I was thinking of putting one on each side of the screen; or one in front and one in the rear...

Multiple subs is definitely the way to go, if you can accomodate 4 go for it, if not shoot for 2. Some people are scared of adding more subs because they only think about overall volume but the real benefit from multiple subs comes from evening out the bass performance and having more consistent performance across a larger area. With one sub you can easily localize it in the room but with multiples you will diminish if not completely eleminate localization. If sticking with Paradigm then 2 Sub's two would be great but it might benefit you more going for say 4 Sub 1's or 4 Sub 25's.
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post #24997 of 28084
5/28/12 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by HomeTheaterGuy74 View Post

Hmmm, I think I may have another problem...

I want these speakers to be "hidden" - the front 3 anyway - the ADP3s, etc., can be mounted on the walls and seen...

But I have been told that a perforated screen is not the best way to go...

So, how else can I get the S8 left and right, and the C5 center, "hidden"

The second you place any material over your speakers that wasn't made by paradigm, you're going to change the sound.

Honestly, if you are truly looking at a real theater experience, you need to consider horn based speakers. You will give massive spl, very good detail and the ability to hide them. JTR, JBL and Klipsch comes to mind immediately.
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post #24998 of 28084
5/28/12 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by HomeTheaterGuy74 View Post

Hmmm, I think I may have another problem...

I want these speakers to be "hidden" - the front 3 anyway - the ADP3s, etc., can be mounted on the walls and seen...

But I have been told that a perforated screen is not the best way to go...

So, how else can I get the S8 left and right, and the C5 center, "hidden"

If you were all ready considering using a perforated screen and do ultimately decide to go that route I highy, HIGHLY suggest ditching the C5 and add a 3rd S8. Doing so will give you an absolutely seemless front soundstage. No matter what if you are sticking to the S8/C5 do not build cubby holes in your walls and place the speakers within. If you do that you may as well get Paradigm's cheapest speakers because doing so will absolutely destroy the wonderful sound of the Signatures.

If you decide against the perforated screen then you should consider ditching the S8's and C5 and look to Paradigm's Signature in walls, they may provide you more flexibility in placement.
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post #24999 of 28084
5/28/12 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

No matter what if you are sticking to the S8/C5 do not build cubby holes in your walls and place the speakers within. If you do that you may as well get Paradigm's cheapest speakers because doing so will absolutely destroy the wonderful sound of the Signatures.
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For that app he could use these instead;

http://www.paradigm.com/products/pro...ries/sig-lcr-5
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post #25000 of 28084
5/28/12 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

For that app he could use these instead;

http://www.paradigm.com/products/pro...ries/sig-lcr-5

Yep, exactly, this is the model I was thinking of when mentioning the in walls as an alternative.
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post #25001 of 28084
5/28/12 at 12:27pm
So my options are:

1. Use a perforated screen
2. Have the two S8 and C5 speakers be seen
3. Use "inferior" Paradigm in-wall speakers...

What is the best of these three options
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post #25002 of 28084
5/28/12 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by HomeTheaterGuy74 View Post

So my options are:

1. Use a perforated screen
2. Have the two S8 and C5 speakers be seen
3. Use "inferior" Paradigm in-wall speakers...

What is the best of these three options

I don't think the Signature in-walls would be "inferior", at least not for a predominantly movie application. For music it's a bit different, but for movies it's more about dynamics and dialog clarity.

Not too many people really know what an alien space monster coming out of the ground sounds like... we just want it to be viceral!
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post #25003 of 28084
5/28/12 at 12:51pm
If it were me, and I was builing a theater from scratch, (and it was predominantly for movies), I'd do as big an AT screen as possible, and maybe even a masking screen.
I'd probably do all in-walls, and if the room permitted, an Infinite Baffle sub or subs, if not, definitely no less than two boxed subs.
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post #25004 of 28084
5/28/12 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by HomeTheaterGuy74 View Post

So my options are:

1. Use a perforated screen
2. Have the two S8 and C5 speakers be seen
3. Use "inferior" Paradigm in-wall speakers...

What is the best of these three options

You're crazy not to be looking at horns for your theater. If you want the absolute best experience for the money, you're using the wrong speakers.
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post #25005 of 28084
5/28/12 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

You're crazy not to be looking at horns for your theater. If you want the absolute best experience for the money, you're using the wrong speakers.

I never really liked the sound of horns...

That is one reason I hated Klipsch speakers...

They just sound too bright...

Which speakers would you suggest?
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post #25006 of 28084
5/28/12 at 6:18pm
I finally got around to some cable management for the plasma's HDMI and power cables and thought I would snap some pics of my new setup with the Sigs. These speakers are truly amazing.
LL
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post #25007 of 28084
5/28/12 at 7:42pm
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Originally Posted by HomeTheaterGuy74 View Post

I never really liked the sound of horns...

That is one reason I hated Klipsch speakers...

They just sound too bright...

Which speakers would you suggest?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...r+home+theater
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post #25008 of 28084
5/28/12 at 8:04pm
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...r+home+theater

No, no, no...

What speakers would YOU suggest...
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post #25009 of 28084
5/28/12 at 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by HomeTheaterGuy74 View Post

No, no, no...

What speakers would YOU suggest...

If you like the Be tweeter. I would also consider the Focal Be series. Though you will have the same problem hiding the front three. If hiding the front three is a high priority and you are building a dedicated theater I would go with the in wall LCR up front and the 4 ADPs mounted on the walls of the theater.

You can also go with in wall subs if you need to hide them. I would not immediately over purchase on subs. A custom installer / dealer should be able to help you design a complete solution based on your room. There is no point in buying 20K+ in subs just to have the room correction set them to -10db each b/c there is too much bass.
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post #25010 of 28084
5/28/12 at 11:38pm
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Originally Posted by HomeTheaterGuy74 View Post

No, no, no...

What speakers would YOU suggest...

JTR triple 12s. Call them and talk to them. It may open your eyes about your overall theater and produce the wow factor for you. You're going to have the power to drive them based off your hardware. May as well take advantage of it.
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post #25011 of 28084
5/29/12 at 6:30am
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

Well if paradigm paid me the same as the review magazine, I'll say the sub 2 is the best sub ive ever tested too. Clearly, magazines don't make the law, do they? Its all marketing ********.

Go visit the subwoofer section of the forum... Tell them your expectations and you will get the best recommendations. Hell, tell them you want the highest spl and include your room demensions for them and money is realistically no object.

Serious question for you. If money was no object would you consider a sub 2? I haven't heard really any other subs but I have a Sub 2 and it shakes the foundation of my house on a 110v outlet shared with other components and I don't usually crank my system. From what I read the Sub 2 has more output at lower frequencies than most of these other subs out there including JL, JTR, Mark Seaton, SVS, etc... However, with that statement said, I am no expert. Plus for its size, it fits fine in a room where I would have trouble fitting anything larger or multiples of subs. (At least until I can get another room that is...)
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post #25012 of 28084
5/29/12 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by HomeTheaterGuy74 View Post

Hey,

Would you mind giving me some names and models?

Because every professional/magazine review of the Sub 2 that I have read so far basically stated that it was the best sub they have reviewed - and several said that the Sub 2 was now their new reference sub...

I have not read any professional reviews where the reviewer stated that what they were reviewing was better than the Sub 2...

That doesn't mean that there are not better subs for less money out there...

I just don't know of any...


A whole lot of people on these forums can't see past the simple equation of price/performance ratio. There is nothing wrong with purchasing based solely on this equation.

However, I find that ratio is too rigid for sophisticated purchasing decisions. For example, there may be a pure subwoofer that can match the Sub 2 and it may be $1,000 less - but does it have ARC? How will that $1,000 savings sound in YOUR room without ARC?

If something goes wrong with your non-Paradigm sub, will the dealer come to your home and fix it? Do you have to box the 100lb behemoth and lug it to UPS and ship it? What is your time worth?

Did the engineers design your sub based on your speakers? Will that matter?

What is the resale value if you want to upgrade in 10 years or less? Does it match your other speaker finish? Will it bother you if some non-audiophile guests think an unmatched speaker system means you don't understand interior design? Will this bother your wife?

Does price matter? Will you constantly be second guessing your decision if it doesn't sound just right (is it the source or the sub at fault)?

IMO, there is a hell of a lot more to making a purchase than price/performance ratio.
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post #25013 of 28084
5/29/12 at 10:58am
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Originally Posted by HomeTheaterGuy74 View Post

Hmmm, I think I may have another problem...

I want these speakers to be "hidden" - the front 3 anyway - the ADP3s, etc., can be mounted on the walls and seen...

But I have been told that a perforated screen is not the best way to go...

So, how else can I get the S8 left and right, and the C5 center, "hidden"

Screen Research and Stewart make excellent acoustically transparent screens. But you can't a lot of gain. You need to think about your room size, lumens and interest in 3D before deciding on a screen. I think Black Diamond is working on a high gain acoustically transparent screen.
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post #25014 of 28084
5/29/12 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by HomeTheaterGuy74 View Post

So my options are:

1. Use a perforated screen
2. Have the two S8 and C5 speakers be seen
3. Use "inferior" Paradigm in-wall speakers...

What is the best of these three options

Is your dealer helping you out with any of these questions? We're all happy to help, but walking into your room, determining the type of walls, insulation and just the back and forth of a conversation can really hash out a lot of issues that may yet to arise. If you're in upstate NY or anywhere near, I can give you my dealers name and number. He spent 90 minutes consulting at not charge (another reason why I have Paradigm subs and not some other brand. OK, the 30% discount for buying EVERYTHING at one time didn't hurt. ).
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post #25015 of 28084
5/29/12 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by SimpleTheater View Post

A whole lot of people on these forums can't see past the simple equation of price/performance ratio. There is nothing wrong with purchasing based solely on this equation.

However, I find that ratio is too rigid for sophisticated purchasing decisions. For example, there may be a pure subwoofer that can match the Sub 2 and it may be $1,000 less - but does it have ARC? How will that $1,000 savings sound in YOUR room without ARC?

If something goes wrong with your non-Paradigm sub, will the dealer come to your home and fix it? Do you have to box the 100lb behemoth and lug it to UPS and ship it? What is your time worth?

Did the engineers design your sub based on your speakers? Will that matter?

What is the resale value if you want to upgrade in 10 years or less? Does it match your other speaker finish? Will it bother you if some non-audiophile guests think an unmatched speaker system means you don't understand interior design? Will this bother your wife?

Does price matter? Will you constantly be second guessing your decision if it doesn't sound just right (is it the source or the sub at fault)?

IMO, there is a hell of a lot more to making a purchase than price/performance ratio.

+1 Very well said!
I made a Paradigm Studio Sub12 purchase to match with the rest of the system and couldn't be happier. Most importantly, no second guessing.
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post #25016 of 28084
5/29/12 at 12:42pm
Has anyone tried bi-wiring the Studio line speakers? Any improvement observed? I'm not trying to get into the science side of it and I understand a lot of disagreement over this topic in general. But I'm just trying to see if any Paradigm owner has tried it and noticed a difference.
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post #25017 of 28084
5/29/12 at 1:37pm
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

Has anyone tried bi-wiring the Studio line speakers? Any improvement observed? I'm not trying to get into the science side of it and I understand a lot of disagreement over this topic in general. But I'm just trying to see if any Paradigm owner has tried it and noticed a difference.

I have, no improvement, and conversely no damage, so if you've got extra wire around try and see if it works for you. I wouldn't go out and buy more wire to do it though.
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post #25018 of 28084
5/29/12 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by SimpleTheater View Post

...IMO, there is a hell of a lot more to making a purchase than price/performance ratio.

I thought that was a given most people understood.
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post #25019 of 28084
5/29/12 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

You're crazy not to be looking at horns for your theater. If you want the absolute best experience for the money, you're using the wrong speakers.

While they aren't horns, what about the B&W Diamonds...
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post #25020 of 28084
5/29/12 at 7:21pm
Does anyone own Paradigm SA-ADP in-walls that would care to tell me what they think? I currently have monitor 9 v.6's for fronts and the cc-290 v.6 for center. My surrounds and rears are currently paradigm pv-150 in-walls. I would like to replace the surrounds with the adp's and later replace the aux rears with something from the AMS series, either 250 or 350. My dealer is willing to let me have the pair of adp's for roughly 1000 dollars.
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