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post #25201 of 28099
7/11/12 at 3:52pm
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Have you run any room correction or rerun it after you installed it? Is the speaker mounted at the proper height? Is the speaker working properly as far as you can tell? It may also just boil down to your ears. I find that while we can measure and graph speaker's performance, each person's perception or hearing likes are different. Have you tried using one of your 100s as a center to see if maybe you are one of those people that needs a vertical center channel? I hope this helps as I know I myself would like to be happy and satisfied with the amount I spent on my studio setup.

Yes I have ran the room correction. In fact, I was using a MRX700 when I replaced the speakers to the Studios. The issue with the "squawkiness" from the midrange was there before and after ARC was performed. I then purchased a Yamaha RX-A3010 as I knew it had a customizable parametric eq so my aim was to tone down the midrange with this. It did help, but it had a side effect of the smoothness from the centre. I then returned the 590 and received the 690, re-ran YAPO and of course the "squawkiness" from the centre is still there. Not quite as bad as the 590, but still there none the less. Using a studio 100 as a centre works fine. No issues there. The old CC290 was fine. I had a listen (back to back of of the 590 against a signature C3 and the C3 did not exhibit the issue. The store did have the 690 in stock, but didnt want to take it out of the box for a comparision so I based my decision on a post someone had made about midrange localisation not being an issue with the 690 / C5. Guess that was wrong! I can't afford to go to the signature range now, and the retailer doesn't want to refund. I just have to figure out a way to attenuate the midrange driver a little, any ideas? 10w resistor? Value?
I certainly won't be reccommending Paradigm (or buying) again, that is for sure.

If both 590 and 690 have this particular "squawkiness" with both Anthem and Yamaha, maybe it is not the speakers. Placement, cable and/or power lines? I do not own 690 but everyone that has 690 on this thread seem to be very pleased with theirs.
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post #25202 of 28099
7/11/12 at 4:55pm
I own a 690 and it's an absolutely awesome center channel speaker. I LOVE it! smile.gif And I've never heard a bad sound out of it unless it was part of the source audio.

I've also demo'd a 590 and although it, too, was squawkiness-free, I didn't like the way the midrange driver made vocals "localize-able" (compared to my 690 and my older CC-370v3).
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post #25203 of 28099
7/11/12 at 5:02pm
My near 3 week old 490cc blends in perfect with my new Studio 10V5's. I use a Pioneer Elite SC35 as a AVR.
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post #25204 of 28099
7/11/12 at 8:16pm
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Yes I have ran the room correction. In fact, I was using a MRX700 when I replaced the speakers to the Studios. The issue with the "squawkiness" from the midrange was there before and after ARC was performed. I then purchased a Yamaha RX-A3010 as I knew it had a customizable parametric eq so my aim was to tone down the midrange with this. It did help, but it had a side effect of the smoothness from the centre. I then returned the 590 and received the 690, re-ran YAPO and of course the "squawkiness" from the centre is still there. Not quite as bad as the 590, but still there none the less. Using a studio 100 as a centre works fine. No issues there. The old CC290 was fine. I had a listen (back to back of of the 590 against a signature C3 and the C3 did not exhibit the issue. The store did have the 690 in stock, but didnt want to take it out of the box for a comparision so I based my decision on a post someone had made about midrange localisation not being an issue with the 690 / C5. Guess that was wrong! I can't afford to go to the signature range now, and the retailer doesn't want to refund. I just have to figure out a way to attenuate the midrange driver a little, any ideas? 10w resistor? Value?
I certainly won't be reccommending Paradigm (or buying) again, that is for sure.
CC-690 /Studio 100 owner here, powered by a Pioneer SC-25. Occasionally I find certain content exhibits a similar symptom no matter what center channel speaker I've had. Most recently it was the new Sherlock Holmes movie. Voices were very concentrated in the center channel and really slapped you right in the face. My solution: I turn down the center channel volume in MCACC by about 2 db and it helped a lot. Voices were still clear, just not as "in your face". Most of the time I do not need to do this, just with certain content and I do not blame the CC-690.

I'm not familar with the MRX or Yamaha units but I believe that Pioneer and Denon AVR's generally have a warmer tone to them which might make a difference in overal tonal quality also.

That being said, I love my Paradigm's.
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post #25205 of 28099
7/12/12 at 12:36am
The issue is difficult to explain. It's not an issue with the overall level from the 690, just some of the frequencies that I hear from it. For example, watching an advert on TV in good quality audiowise sounds fine, but when I watch a game show or similar in not so good quality this midrange sqwakiness is apparent, and actors such as Paul Walker (from the fast & the furious) produce the unwanted midrange colouration. All the other actors in this film (unless there is no midbass in the vocal) sound fine. Thin voices bring out the issue. However, the louder the volume, the less apparent it is. My wife doesn't like it too loud! Grrr...... As previously mentioned the issue is not apparent on any other centre I have owned in this same position. I had had it running all day with some HQ music with a high pass of 40hz and I am surprised how much bass the 690 produces!
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post #25206 of 28099
7/12/12 at 6:49am
I have found that it's not the speaker as much as it's the mix in what ever studio does a certain show. My receiver will show DD and on some ads or tv shows I get sound from the center with no surround. Others I jump out of my seat from the surrounds exploding with sound. Also the sound mix is just plain horrible, tinny sounding, etc.

Jeff
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post #25207 of 28099
7/13/12 at 7:45pm
Can anyone who's heard both compared the milleniaones and the studio series comment on the quality/match between them?

Im moving into a situation where nothing but very small satellites are going to be acceptable for the surrounds. I tried out a paid of energy V-Minis, which are decent speakers in their own right, but the quality difference between them and the studios is pretty apparent. I've read somewhere that the milleniaones use the same tweeter as the studios....is this true? How low can these reasonably be expected to extend from about 2-4 feet away?
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post #25208 of 28099
7/13/12 at 8:50pm
Would the Paradigm Studios 10 and 20 be better for music and good bass, than say the Focal 806V and 807V Chorus series?
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post #25209 of 28099
7/14/12 at 7:05am
Any online retailer suggestions whether I can buy a Center 3? How negotiable its price on these?

I have a cc-350 currently paired with monitor 9'a and mini monitors. These are all 13 years old and I think its time to start upgrading my system, piece by piece, starting with the Center.

I'm a value player, period. I want the best sound for the least money. If I could find an open box or clearance sale, I'd jump all over that but in the absence if that I'll just start replacing one piece at a time.

Just bought an Onkyo 818, and a Panasonic p60gt50 btw, which its partly what motivated me here.

I'd appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks guys,
Jason

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post #25210 of 28099
7/14/12 at 7:16am
Very few Paradigm speakers can be sold online. The Cinema series is one of them, but I doubt the Center 3 is allowed. Any site which sells the higher level speakers online (now that the 6th Ave fiasco is settled) is grey market stuff. Next to just not having enough money to buy Paradigms for all my surrounds, having only one dealer close to me (who sells at full price - no discount) is the other reason I did not buy them...I cannot buy them online and get the warranty and I am not paying MSRP for them.
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post #25211 of 28099
7/14/12 at 10:29am
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Any online retailer suggestions whether I can buy a Center 3? How negotiable its price on these?
I have a cc-350 currently paired with monitor 9'a and mini monitors. These are all 13 years old and I think its time to start upgrading my system, piece by piece, starting with the Center.
I'm a value player, period. I want the best sound for the least money. If I could find an open box or clearance sale, I'd jump all over that but in the absence if that I'll just start replacing one piece at a time.
Just bought an Onkyo 818, and a Panasonic p60gt50 btw, which its partly what motivated me here.
I'd appreciate any suggestions.
Thanks guys,
Jason
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If I need to know some ballpark prices of Paradigm speakers before negotiating with my closest dealer, I visit "East Hamilton Radio" web site (trusted store and web site). it's Canadian store so prices are in Canadian dollars. Here is the link to Paradigm center channel speakers they currently sell with prices.
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post #25212 of 28099
7/14/12 at 3:05pm
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If I need to know some ballpark prices of Paradigm speakers before negotiating with my closest dealer, I visit "East Hamilton Radio" web site (trusted store and web site). it's Canadian store so prices are in Canadian dollars. Here is the link to Paradigm center channel speakers they currently sell with prices.

their prices aren't even good, those are full retail prices!. In my experience some dealers won't budget on the price they'll knock off a $100 dollars and that's it! some will discount a lot more. In my area they use to discount them a lot better then they are now, only competition retired, so for example they have the MilleniaOne on SALE for $1250CDN and that's now the final price, no movement on it at all, same store a few months ago were selling them for $1000. If you can buy them in a town that has multiple dealers you should be able to use that and get a much better price, as they'll be competing for your business. In my area now that we only have 1 true home theatre store they've got an attitude now when before serves was faster and prices were better.
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post #25213 of 28099
7/14/12 at 4:57pm
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Can anyone who's heard both compared the milleniaones and the studio series comment on the quality/match between them?
Im moving into a situation where nothing but very small satellites are going to be acceptable for the surrounds. I tried out a paid of energy V-Minis, which are decent speakers in their own right, but the quality difference between them and the studios is pretty apparent. I've read somewhere that the milleniaones use the same tweeter as the studios....is this true? How low can these reasonably be expected to extend from about 2-4 feet away?
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I have the Studio 10v5's , 490CC and two Millenia Ones as rears and they seem to work pretty darn good. This is for a smaller bedroom
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post #25214 of 28099
7/15/12 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by jason370 View Post

Any online retailer suggestions whether I can buy a Center 3? How negotiable its price on these?
I have a cc-350 currently paired with monitor 9'a and mini monitors. These are all 13 years old and I think its time to start upgrading my system, piece by piece, starting with the Center.
I'm a value player, period. I want the best sound for the least money. If I could find an open box or clearance sale, I'd jump all over that but in the absence if that I'll just start replacing one piece at a time.
Just bought an Onkyo 818, and a Panasonic p60gt50 btw, which its partly what motivated me here.
I'd appreciate any suggestions.
Thanks guys,
Jason
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You will not be able to buy from an official dealer online (unless you are in the dealers territory). Paradigm will not allow it.

In terms of pricing, you should be able to get 15% off list price without too much struggle. If the delaer isn't playing ball, there are plenty more elsewhere. Try the parts of the country where there are lots of dealers....NJ/NY/PA for example where I am. I played dealers off each other. It can easily be done.
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post #25215 of 28099
7/15/12 at 8:26am
I have the Paradigm DSP-3400 and DSP-3200 subwoofers....would it be a mistake to incorporate a SVS PB13-Ultra into my home theater?? I know not mixing subs is not supposed to be done but I feel like I am missing some deep bass and want the SVS Ultra! smile.gif
Anyone with experience mixing subs? Do or dont?
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post #25216 of 28099
7/15/12 at 8:35am
Just wondering, how does the CC690 compare to the C3? I have the choice of either way for about the same price point. Are they alot more similar than different? Besides the tweeter of course. I have read alot of people say that the CC690 is a heck of alot better than the CC590.

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post #25217 of 28099
7/15/12 at 8:51am
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Just wondering, how does the CC690 compare to the C3? I have the choice of either way for about the same price point. Are they alot more similar than different? Besides the tweeter of course. I have read alot of people say that the CC690 is a heck of alot better than the CC590.
Thanks smile.gif

I have no experience with the CC690, but my Center 3 arrives later this week. I will be setting that up along with my new Surround 3's and rerunning Audyssey, so I can give you my thoughts on the C 3 vs the 14ish yr old LCR350 that I'm replacing. I think some one on this forum went from a CC690 to a Center 3, he might chime in.

Jeff
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post #25218 of 28099
7/15/12 at 10:59am
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I have no experience with the CC690, but my Center 3 arrives later this week. I will be setting that up along with my new Surround 3's and rerunning Audyssey, so I can give you my thoughts on the C 3 vs the 14ish yr old LCR350 that I'm replacing. I think some one on this forum went from a CC690 to a Center 3, he might chime in.
Jeff

I think he is referring to the signature series C3 vs. CC690.
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post #25219 of 28099
7/15/12 at 11:00am
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I have no experience with the CC690, but my Center 3 arrives later this week. I will be setting that up along with my new Surround 3's and rerunning Audyssey, so I can give you my thoughts on the C 3 vs the 14ish yr old LCR350 that I'm replacing. I think some one on this forum went from a CC690 to a Center 3, he might chime in.
Jeff

Thanks for the reply, but i probably should have been more clear. I am referring to the Signature C3. I am wondering and trying to compare the Studio CC690 to the Signature C3. I have an opportunity to get these for pretty much the same price.

Thanks.

You are correct Tank.
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post #25220 of 28099
7/15/12 at 11:00am
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You will not be able to buy from an official dealer online (unless you are in the dealers territory). Paradigm will not allow it.
In terms of pricing, you should be able to get 15% off list price without too much struggle. If the delaer isn't playing ball, there are plenty more elsewhere. Try the parts of the country where there are lots of dealers....NJ/NY/PA for example where I am. I played dealers off each other. It can easily be done.

There is often a dealer minimum price on brands like this. I know Panasonic has the same on their higher-end TVs, which prevents the price from falling as rapidly as the lower models.
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post #25221 of 28099
7/15/12 at 11:14am
After a lot of research, I am looking to purchase a pair of Paradigm S1 speakers for my desktop. They are the perfect size for my setup and the reviews I've read are all very positive.

What is the latest version? From reading online it appears that V3 is the current version.

Can someone recommend a good dealer to work with?
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post #25222 of 28099
7/15/12 at 11:24am
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After a lot of research, I am looking to purchase a pair of Paradigm S1 speakers for my desktop. They are the perfect size for my setup and the reviews I've read are all very positive.
What is the latest version? From reading online it appears that V3 is the current version.
Can someone recommend a good dealer to work with?

V3 is the latest version. Though are you sure you want a passive speaker for your desktop? Have you looked into studio monitors? They will have better focus for near field listening. The Focal Solo 6 features a Be tweeter and is similar in price to the S1.
http://www.focalprofessional.com/en/sm6-line/solo6-be.php
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post #25223 of 28099
7/15/12 at 11:47am
Yes, sure have. I have read that the Focal's are too "clinical" sounding for everyday music listening. I have no intentions of mixing audio.

In this Paradigm S1 review, the reviewer seems to think the S1s are good for nearfield:

http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/paradigm_signature_s1_v2.htm
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Many speakers priced much higher can’t match the midrange and high-frequency transparency and detail of these little fellas. In fact, I have no doubt that the S1 v.2 could be a great nearfield monitor; perhaps Paradigm should offer gun-metal gray or unfinished aluminum for recording studios.
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post #25224 of 28099
7/15/12 at 12:03pm
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Yes, sure have. I have read that the Focal's are too "clinical" sounding for everyday music listening. I have no intentions of mixing audio.
In this Paradigm S1 review, the reviewer seems to think the S1s are good for nearfield:
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/paradigm_signature_s1_v2.htm
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Many speakers priced much higher can’t match the midrange and high-frequency transparency and detail of these little fellas. In fact, I have no doubt that the S1 v.2 could be a great nearfield monitor; perhaps Paradigm should offer gun-metal gray or unfinished aluminum for recording studios.

Studio monitors usually have a flat response, neutral sound to let the source play true. In my experience the signature series speakers are the same, very neutral --they let the source material shine or fall flat on its face. Just wanted to make sure you considered the Solo6s since they come with powerful built-in amps, better frequency response and are similar in price.
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post #25225 of 28099
7/15/12 at 12:10pm
I hear ya. It's a tough call, really. I am looking at Parasound A23 and Paradigm S1 combo. The Focals would actually be cheaper but also quite a bit larger and deeper. I am not sure what would sound better.
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post #25226 of 28099
7/15/12 at 1:16pm
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I hear ya. It's a tough call, really. I am looking at Parasound A23 and Paradigm S1 combo. The Focals would actually be cheaper but also quite a bit larger and deeper. I am not sure what would sound better.

I think that would be a very nice setup. I have heard good things about the Paradigm / Parasound Halo pairing. I have the S2 in a bedroom stereo --they are a bit large for the size of the room, the S1 would have been a better fit.
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7/15/12 at 1:46pm
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Just wondering, how does the CC690 compare to the C3? I have the choice of either way for about the same price point. Are they alot more similar than different? Besides the tweeter of course. I have read alot of people say that the CC690 is a heck of alot better than the CC590.
Thanks smile.gif

What L and R speakers are you using? The Center should be matched to the L and R. I used a CC 690 with my Studio 100s and loved them. After I moved to Sigs. I used a C5 and loved it.

I believe Paradigm lists matching speaker info on their site.
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post #25228 of 28099
7/15/12 at 2:03pm
Well I'm either going to go with the Studio 100 or Signature S6. I am choosing my center first because 90% of my usage is bluray/movies/television.
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post #25229 of 28099
7/15/12 at 2:32pm
Anyone using Atoms for mains? I'm doing just that in a makeshift surround system in our basement. Surprisingly, they sound really good, and not really lacking at all. I'm currently using a pair or in-wall JBLs for surrounds and an older Velodyne CHT-10 sub. Onkyo Tx-SR700 powering everything. It's not ideal, but working for now.

Anyone have any center recommendations? I'll probably replace the JBL inwalls with a pair of ADP-390s I already have.

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post #25230 of 28099
7/15/12 at 2:57pm
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Well I'm either going to go with the Studio 100 or Signature S6. I am choosing my center first because 90% of my usage is bluray/movies/television.

The thing I've noticed since owning the C3|S6 (and a Panasonic VT30) is that the source matters. The times I've been satisfied with picture / audio, it has consistently been the source material. I would get hung up on something not looking or sounding very good. Changed to a different movie / song / cable stations and suddenly there is a huge improvement.
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