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post #25591 of 28073
Does anyone have any information (or healthy speculation) on what the 30th anniversary speakers mean for the next generation of paradigm reference studio/signature series? I'm trying to put some pieces together and based on some info I've heard I have some theories. We know by the feedback from Cedia 2012 that they the anniversary speakers are essentially studio series design with signature drivers and a new high grade cabinet and finish. I read somewhere that paradigm is working on a brand new redesigned studio series to be released next year. Then I heard that paradigm is also revamping the signature line to make them even higher end and retail in the $12K-$13K range for the flagship. I think the anniversary speakers are a window into the look of one or more of their new lines. So putting those together, let’s talk possibilities.

I think it's a given that the Studios will be revamped with Sig drivers based on precedent (the studio drivers haven't changed in 2 generations) and the anniversary speakers. That will bump their price up even more beyond the ~$3500 of the already inflated prices of the Studio line. This leaves a gap in $2000-$3000 price range that needs to get filled (upping monitor or SE series, new mid level line?). If the signatures get revamped to the point where they enter the $12K-$13K price bracket, then that will leave a gap where the current signature resides. It can be filled by either bumping up the studios series to the level of the anniversary series or by creating a new line to act either above the signatures or in between the signature and studio series. The sad part is that all of the possibilities I forsee combined with the price increases of the last few years indicate that the value Paradigm is known for may be over and done. Thoughts?

post #25592 of 28073

I agree that Paradigm is starting to lose the value that it once had, the speakers are good but starting to get a bit overpriced IMO. 

post #25593 of 28073
I already put half down at my local Paradigm dealer for the Inspirations. I also called Paradigm today about the 30th anniversay speakers and i can tell they did not want to say much about them. They had nothing much to tell me about them.
post #25594 of 28073
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Originally Posted by idealty View Post

Does anyone have any information (or healthy speculation) on what the 30th anniversary speakers mean for the next generation of paradigm reference studio/signature series? I'm trying to put some pieces together and based on some info I've heard I have some theories. We know by the feedback from Cedia 2012 that they the anniversary speakers are essentially studio series design with signature drivers and a new high grade cabinet and finish. I read somewhere that paradigm is working on a brand new redesigned studio series to be released next year. Then I heard that paradigm is also revamping the signature line to make them even higher end and retail in the $12K-$13K range for the flagship. I think the anniversary speakers are a window into the look of one or more of their new lines. So putting those together, let’s talk possibilities.
I think it's a given that the Studios will be revamped with Sig drivers based on precedent (the studio drivers haven't changed in 2 generations) and the anniversary speakers. That will bump their price up even more beyond the ~$3500 of the already inflated prices of the Studio line. This leaves a gap in $2000-$3000 price range that needs to get filled (upping monitor or SE series, new mid level line?). If the signatures get revamped to the point where they enter the $12K-$13K price bracket, then that will leave a gap where the current signature resides. It can be filled by either bumping up the studios series to the level of the anniversary series or by creating a new line to act either above the signatures or in between the signature and studio series. The sad part is that all of the possibilities I forsee combined with the price increases of the last few years indicate that the value Paradigm is known for may be over and done. Thoughts?

I know they are completely revamping the Studios for a new version (slated sometime next year, probably not until CEDIA instead of the assumed CES show).

However, I was told that they are not revamping the Signature line, but merely adding a third tower speaker to the line. Much like the Monitor series have 7's, 9's, and 11's for towers, Paradigm is looking at adding a Signature S10 so that there is a tower a step above the S8's. It would be the same version (v3), just adding another speaker to the line.

That was what was said to my dealer at CEDIA this year via our regional Paradigm rep (he also confirmed the new Studio line debut wouldn't be until at least CEDIA next year also).
post #25595 of 28073
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

I know they are completely revamping the Studios for a new version (slated sometime next year, probably not until CEDIA instead of the assumed CES show).
However, I was told that they are not revamping the Signature line, but merely adding a third tower speaker to the line. Much like the Monitor series have 7's, 9's, and 11's for towers, Paradigm is looking at adding a Signature S10 so that there is a tower a step above the S8's. It would be the same version (v3), just adding another speaker to the line.
That was what was said to my dealer at CEDIA this year via our regional Paradigm rep (he also confirmed the new Studio line debut wouldn't be until at least CEDIA next year also).

Cool. This makes sense. Thanks for the info. Putting these rumors together, sounds like the additional tower could be larger than the s8 and cost upwards of $12K (the s8 is currently ~10K)? I'm not sure how you go larger than 6 drivers and 4 woofers but what do I know. I also think that the finish and cabinet we see on the anniversary series will show up in either the next signature only or both the studio and signature. It is a much needed improvement in look and feel IMO (base plate, magnetic grills, higher quality materials). Looking foward to seeing the new design in person smile.gif
post #25596 of 28073
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Originally Posted by weird 23 View Post

I agree that Paradigm is starting to lose the value that it once had, the speakers are good but starting to get a bit overpriced IMO. 

I agree totally with this. I really like Paradigm and have a lot of respect for the company for the quality and sound of their product and always recommend them to all of my friends but when it came time for my latest speaker upgrades the price of the signatures had wondered ever so close to the B&W 800 series that for me it was a no brainer, the 800 series were simply superior speakers in sound quality. The only advantage I can see for the signatures is their non piano black finishes compared to B&W non piano black finishes. Other than that if you want a much more true to life sound for just a bit more money I'm sorry Paradigm but you can't compete with your current signatures in these price ranges. If the Signatures were a few thousand cheaper, basically what they were when introduced they would continue to be a force to be reckoned with in that price range. If they do introduce speakers in the 12k to 13k range if they keep true to heritage I would be expecting them to be alternatives to speakers in the 20k+ range. So in comparison to B&W for example, I would expect a Paradigm Signature costing 12k-13k to go up against the B&W 800 Diamond rather than what would be a similarly priced 802 Diamond. It's fine if all they can accomplish is a comparison to the 802 but then they just become another alternative in the same price class rather than what we all have grown to love about the Paradigm name, comparisons to rivals costing much more.
post #25597 of 28073
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Originally Posted by idealty View Post

Cool. This makes sense. Thanks for the info. Putting these rumors together, sounds like the additional tower could be larger than the s8 and cost upwards of $12K (the s8 is currently ~10K)? I'm not sure how you go larger than 6 drivers and 4 woofers but what do I know. I also think that the finish and cabinet we see on the anniversary series will show up in either the next signature only or both the studio and signature. It is a much needed improvement in look and feel IMO (base plate, magnetic grills, higher quality materials). Looking foward to seeing the new design in person smile.gif

Yea, I'm not exactly sure what an S10 would have extra over an S8.....but what I do know is that Paradigm has the luxury of a full-on R&D department to figure that out smile.gif
post #25598 of 28073
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Originally Posted by idealty View Post

Does anyone have any information (or healthy speculation) on what the 30th anniversary speakers mean for the next generation of paradigm reference studio/signature series?

I have a speculation. Paradigm delveloped these new drivers (possibly to revamp the signature line, that are too bright sounding imo) that did not quite cut the mustard. So in order to recoup R&D costs of these drivers, they have to sell X amount of these 30th anniversary speakers that are being produced in limited quantities.
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Originally Posted by weird 23 View Post

I agree that Paradigm is starting to lose the value that it once had, the speakers are good but starting to get a bit overpriced IMO.

I also agree with this completely.
post #25599 of 28073
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Originally Posted by shiznit View Post

I have a speculation. Paradigm delveloped these new drivers (possibly to revamp the signature line, that are too bright sounding imo) that did not quite cut the mustard. So in order to recoup R&D costs of these drivers, they have to sell X amount of these 30th anniversary speakers that are being produced in limited quantities.
I also agree with this completely.

This doesn't make sense. They have given an exact number to be produced. You wouldn't make such numbers of a component before knowing if it was good. Also, in the CEDIA video it is stated that the driver is the same as an existing driver, but a different color.
post #25600 of 28073
Based on the talk of a new version of Studio series would it make sense to get the current 100's around December of this year or is CEIDA or CES only a few months away? Also what kind of discount from MSRP is a good deal on the 100's?
post #25601 of 28073
hi all,beginner here need help:
i just bought paradigm studio 100,cc590 and adp590,been upgrade form mordaunt short mezzo the sound improvement was huge!
The problem is where the best position to hang my adp590?now i'm putting it at my both side walls 5' height,my room size is 12' x 15'.
One more thing is after audyssey with my onkyo 3009,it recommend speaker configuration for front and center 40hz,surronud 80hz,should i leave it there or i have to gain it to 80hz for all speakers?
Thanks in advance..
post #25602 of 28073
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Originally Posted by bcarroll01 View Post

Based on the talk of a new version of Studio series would it make sense to get the current 100's around December of this year or is CEIDA or CES only a few months away? Also what kind of discount from MSRP is a good deal on the 100's?

CES is February of 2013. The next CEDIA show is September of 2013. The rumor was a new Studio line being shown at CES (so beginning of 2013) but the word-of-mouth from a Paradigm rep is that they are working on a new Studio line which won't debut until at least CEDIA of 2013. Layman's terms: A new Studio line will not surface until at least September of 2013. So unless you really want to wait that long, I would say grabbing a current version of the Studio line is completely recommended.

15% off of MSRP is always an average "good deal" on Paradigm speakers, though the higher you go up their product line, the easier it is to finagle a few more % off of MSRP. I would say if you can get 20% off, you've done a damn fine job.
post #25603 of 28073
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

CES is February of 2013. The next CEDIA show is September of 2013. The rumor was a new Studio line being shown at CES (so beginning of 2013) but the word-of-mouth from a Paradigm rep is that they are working on a new Studio line which won't debut until at least CEDIA of 2013. Layman's terms: A new Studio line will not surface until at least September of 2013. So unless you really want to wait that long, I would say grabbing a current version of the Studio line is completely recommended.
15% off of MSRP is always an average "good deal" on Paradigm speakers, though the higher you go up their product line, the easier it is to finagle a few more % off of MSRP. I would say if you can get 20% off, you've done a damn fine job.

I believe I should be able to get 15% off but I am hoping if I pay in cash I would be able to get closer to 20%. I wouldn't plan on getting the new studios as the 100's as the current 100's and cc590 are already pushing my budget but I believe the upgrade of getting the 100's won't leave me wanting to upgrade for many years.
post #25604 of 28073
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Originally Posted by bcarroll01 View Post

I believe I should be able to get 15% off but I am hoping if I pay in cash I would be able to get closer to 20%. I wouldn't plan on getting the new studios as the 100's as the current 100's and cc590 are already pushing my budget but I believe the upgrade of getting the 100's won't leave me wanting to upgrade for many years.

I agree, getting the 100's will leave you happy for many years to come.

HOWEVER, I would STRONGLY suggest making room in your budget for the CC-690. Getting the 590 instead of the 690 is a very good recipe for upgraditis, not to mention the 690 matches perfectly with the 100's (not saying the 590 is a slouch....just outmatched when compared to the 690)
post #25605 of 28073
Hey guys, just a quick update:

My Center 3 has sold. All that is left is my Like New Monitor 11's in their original boxes with full manufacturers warranty. Check on these classifieds or AudiogoN.

Thanks!
post #25606 of 28073
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

CES is February of 2013. The next CEDIA show is September of 2013. The rumor was a new Studio line being shown at CES (so beginning of 2013) but the word-of-mouth from a Paradigm rep is that they are working on a new Studio line which won't debut until at least CEDIA of 2013. Layman's terms: A new Studio line will not surface until at least September of 2013. So unless you really want to wait that long, I would say grabbing a current version of the Studio line is completely recommended.
15% off of MSRP is always an average "good deal" on Paradigm speakers, though the higher you go up their product line, the easier it is to finagle a few more % off of MSRP. I would say if you can get 20% off, you've done a damn fine job.

CES is actually January 8th through the 11th. I'll be there and I'll post pics here as soon as I see anything there Paradigm related. Having just bought some Studio 60's, CC-590, and some SA-ADP in-walls, I hope there's not another version anytime soon! eek.gif
post #25607 of 28073
Thanks in advance for any help given. I picked up a pair of Paradigm model 7se at a flea market for $30.00. Tried Google but could'nt find much info on these. Original cost? How old? They are in pretty good shape except for the grills. These are not mkII or mkIII. The sound is excellent on these. I think I got a pretty good deal. Thanks again for any info on these.
post #25608 of 28073
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

I agree, getting the 100's will leave you happy for many years to come.
HOWEVER, I would STRONGLY suggest making room in your budget for the CC-690. Getting the 590 instead of the 690 is a very good recipe for upgraditis, not to mention the 690 matches perfectly with the 100's (not saying the 590 is a slouch....just outmatched when compared to the 690)
Could you explain what you mean by outmatched, I'm not sure I know what you mean.
post #25609 of 28073
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Originally Posted by bcarroll01 View Post

Could you explain what you mean by outmatched, I'm not sure I know what you mean.

The CC-590 is a VERY good Center speaker and no doubt you would be happy with it/have no complaints. But the CC-690 is just a little bit *better*.

The 590 is clear. The 690 is just a little bit clearer.
The 590 is clean sounding. The 690 is just a little bit cleaner sounding.
The 590 is forceful and present during playback. The 690 has more force and presence during playback.

Again, the 590 is a FANTASTIC center speaker, not taking anything away from it. But when compared to the 690, it is outmatched. Not by much. Not a night and day difference. But the difference is there.

Obviously if your wallet can't accomdate the 690 then I wouldn't worry about it. But if there is even a chance you can find a way to get the 690 over the 590 (barter with your dealer, sell something on eBay, etc), then I suggest getting the 690. It's just a better speaker.
post #25610 of 28073
would there be a difference on what you would recommend with room size. I have a room that is about 14 by 21ft. I sit 8 to 9ft away on the smAller wall and have about 95 watts a channel.
post #25611 of 28073
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Hey guys, just a quick update:
My Center 3 has sold. All that is left is my Like New Monitor 11's in their original boxes with full manufacturers warranty. Check on these classifieds or AudiogoN.
Thanks!

I don't believe the warranty is transferable beyond the original owner unless being resold from a dealer.
post #25612 of 28073
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post

I don't believe the warranty is transferable beyond the original owner unless being resold from a dealer.

Oh. I was always under the impression that by including a copy of the original purchasing receipt from my authorized dealer (where I bought them) the warranty still applied since the buyer could just "pretend" to be me if there was a warranty issue (since they have the original receipt). Is that not correct?
post #25613 of 28073
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Originally Posted by bcarroll01 View Post

would there be a difference on what you would recommend with room size. I have a room that is about 14 by 21ft. I sit 8 to 9ft away on the smAller wall and have about 95 watts a channel.

Well, both speakers would fill your room with adequate sound/have adequate power. But you would still get a little more out of the 690. If you really can't swing it, dont sweat the difference. Only if you had the money for the upgrade from the 590 to the 690 would I say "do it, just do it, trust me"
post #25614 of 28073
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Oh. I was always under the impression that by including a copy of the original purchasing receipt from my authorized dealer (where I bought them) the warranty still applied since the buyer could just "pretend" to be me if there was a warranty issue (since they have the original receipt). Is that not correct?

That's not the same thing as actually being transferable to another party --Having to state you are someone you are not, and hoping the warranty is honored. The dealer would have to go along with it as well potentially. Though chances are you may not have a problem, but if you do there isn't much recourse.
post #25615 of 28073
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post

That's not the same thing as actually being transferable to another party --Having to state you are someone you are not, and hoping the warranty is honored. The dealer would have to go along with it as well potentially. Though chances are you may not have a problem, but if you do there isn't much recourse.

I buy a Center 3 with Serial #8. My dealer marks on my receipt that I bought said Center 3 from them with said Serial #8 on said date. I sell the speakers to someone else with that original receipt containing the Serial # and purchase date. Speaker encounters a defect that requires it to be sent back to Paradigm for work covered under warranty. They ask for proof of purchase to make sure item was bought at authorized retailer and that it is still under the warranty time frame (that started the day I purchased the speaker). How does the person sending in the speaker matter in this scenario? As long as proof is presented that the speaker was purchased from an authorized retailer (and not stolen or acquired through non-sanctioned means, like a shady online store, etc) and that the speaker is still under the warranty timeframe from that purchase date, why does the person sending in the speaker matter?

I guess I am used to retail merchandise where warranty coverage is "attached" to the Serial # of the product so that as long as that Serial # is still valid and under warranty coverage (which is proven with an original receipt to show date of purchase) it doesn't matter who sends it in for repairs (like an Xbox 360, Bluray player, even a TV).

I know that software licenses are non-transferable between components, but even then the owner of the component doesn't matter. Like Audyssey Pro room correction. Once a software license is purchased for a receiver it is stuck to that receiver with that Serial # forever but the receiver itself can still be sold to anyone and the software license is still valid since it's tied to the component and not the person.

I'm not saying your wrong, for you may know something I don't....just wondering why it seems so backwards to me if Paradigm does it the way you say they do.
post #25616 of 28073
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

I buy a Center 3 with Serial #8. My dealer marks on my receipt that I bought said Center 3 from them with said Serial #8 on said date. I sell the speakers to someone else with that original receipt containing the Serial # and purchase date. Speaker encounters a defect that requires it to be sent back to Paradigm for work covered under warranty. They ask for proof of purchase to make sure item was bought at authorized retailer and that it is still under the warranty time frame (that started the day I purchased the speaker). How does the person sending in the speaker matter in this scenario? As long as proof is presented that the speaker was purchased from an authorized retailer (and not stolen or acquired through non-sanctioned means, like a shady online store, etc) and that the speaker is still under the warranty timeframe from that purchase date, why does the person sending in the speaker matter?
I guess I am used to retail merchandise where warranty coverage is "attached" to the Serial # of the product so that as long as that Serial # is still valid and under warranty coverage (which is proven with an original receipt to show date of purchase) it doesn't matter who sends it in for repairs (like an Xbox 360, Bluray player, even a TV).
I know that software licenses are non-transferable between components, but even then the owner of the component doesn't matter. Like Audyssey Pro room correction. Once a software license is purchased for a receiver it is stuck to that receiver with that Serial # forever but the receiver itself can still be sold to anyone and the software license is still valid since it's tied to the component and not the person.
I'm not saying your wrong, for you may know something I don't....just wondering why it seems so backwards to me if Paradigm does it the way you say they do.

Many warranties are non-transferable and apply to the original owner only. I am merely pointing this out. It is a way for companies to ditch responsibility for the repair. I'm not defending it, or saying for sure you will not get away with it, but it is a frequent practice these days. This includes things like Panasonic TVs, blu-ray players, etc. It is usually stated on the warranty card.
post #25617 of 28073
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post

Many warranties are non-transferable and apply to the original owner only. I am merely pointing this out. It is a way for companies to ditch responsibility for the repair. I'm not defending it, or saying for sure you will not get away with it, but it is a frequent practice these days. This includes things like Panasonic TVs, blu-ray players, etc. It is usually stated on the warranty card.

Hmm. Never came across this practice before (though I've also never had a warranty issue on a product I've bought OR sold...knock on wood). Will have to keep this in mind for now on. Definitely going to call my dealer Monday to see how it applies when I resell my speakers also.

Thanks
post #25618 of 28073
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Hmm. Never came across this practice before (though I've also never had a warranty issue on a product I've bought OR sold...knock on wood). Will have to keep this in mind for now on. Definitely going to call my dealer Monday to see how it applies when I resell my speakers also.
Thanks

Here's an old AVS thread that says the warranty is not transferable... http://www.avsforum.com/t/857376/paradigm-warranty-simple-question I can't seem to get on the Paradigm site this evening, but It's very common to have the warranties non-transferable.
post #25619 of 28073
Like I said, I was just under the simple impression that having the original receipt to prove validity of the selling company (i.e. authorized dealer) and purchase date was all that is needed. Never heard of a company require that proof of personal ID be submitted along with original receipt paperwork to establish ownership. In fact, when my sisters Sony TV went out a few years ago (under warranty), I was the one who arranged for repairs via our areas certified repair company. I was also the one who was at her house when they came over to fix the TV and all they cared about was the serial # and the original receipt. Didn't ask to verify who I was or ask for proof that I was the original purchasing. Just having the receipt was all they needed as that allowed them to bill the repair costs to Sony under coverage of warranty.

I guess my question is how does a company know? If I send in a Center 3 that someone else originally bought but include the original receipt, how does Paradigm prove that I am or am not the original owner? Doe they ask for proof of ID?

I understand it says the warranty is non-transferable...not arguing that. Just wondering if it is even something that is checked/verified when an item is sent in for repairs under warranty, and if so, how?
post #25620 of 28073
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Originally Posted by sherr127 View Post

hi all,beginner here need help:
i just bought paradigm studio 100,cc590 and adp590,been upgrade form mordaunt short mezzo the sound improvement was huge!
The problem is where the best position to hang my adp590?now i'm putting it at my both side walls 5' height,my room size is 12' x 15'.
One more thing is after audyssey with my onkyo 3009,it recommend speaker configuration for front and center 40hz,surronud 80hz,should i leave it there or i have to gain it to 80hz for all speakers?
Thanks in advance..

hi,nobody cares to help?frown.gif
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