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post #25831 of 28101
11/1/12 at 11:28am
I've got a pair off 800 Diamonds in mint condition. Rosenut. Also an HTM4 Diamond rosenut center. I'm interested in the Signature V3 edition system. Anyone interested? Contact me.
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post #25832 of 28101
11/1/12 at 12:25pm
What's the difference between the S6 v3 and the s8 v3? Is it just bass? Mid-range and highs identical?
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post #25833 of 28101
11/1/12 at 1:19pm
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What's the difference between the S6 v3 and the s8 v3? Is it just bass? Mid-range and highs identical?

The mid-range and highs sound the same on the S2|S6|S8 as they all have the same tweeter and 7in mid-range driver. It is just low-end extension.

The S2|S6 is a little easier to place as they are front ported only. The S8 is front & rear ported, is taller and has a deeper cabinet.
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post #25834 of 28101
11/1/12 at 1:47pm
If it's just bass, I have a JL F112 to handle anything below 80Hz. I wouldn't need anything to go down lower than that with incredible authority. Plus, I've got a small room!!

It's interesting - the S6 sounds incredibly good, I almost like it as much as my 800 Diamonds. Whoever initiates a trade with me will be lucky!
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post #25835 of 28101
11/1/12 at 8:24pm
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Originally Posted by TVMAN1991 View Post

If it's just bass, I have a JL F112 to handle anything below 80Hz. I wouldn't need anything to go down lower than that with incredible authority. Plus, I've got a small room!!
It's interesting - the S6 sounds incredibly good, I almost like it as much as my 800 Diamonds. Whoever initiates a trade with me will be lucky!

If you've got a small room, and plan to use a sub below 80Hz then even the S1 will be plenty of speaker.

The 800Ds are much more expensive than the S6. How did you end up with such a massive setup in a small room? I thought the 803D sounded better than the S6 when I auditioned them.
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post #25836 of 28101
11/1/12 at 8:33pm
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Don't forget room size plays a key roll in your choice...
If your seating location is to close to your side & rear surrounds, you won't get nearly as good dispersion from direct radiating speaks.

That is correct, you should only use direct firing as your rears if you have sufficient room behind your viewing/listening position to do so, otherwise go with diffuse.
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post #25837 of 28101
11/2/12 at 2:09am
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I used to think that "clear and clean" went hand in hand with "bright" or "fatiguing". I thought there was a very fine line between bright and "clear and clean", in between which the Paradigm Studio/Signatures balanced very well. After listening to some higher end (though not neccessarily more expensive) stuff, I realized that you can absolutely get a speaker that is both "clear and clean" but not bright nor fatiguing. IMHO, these tend to be speakers that won't wow you on initial listen, but will amaze you the more you listen. Paradigm's are more "Wow, these sound amazingly clear and undistorted", but after a while seem too bright. I appreciate those qualities for home theater, but would like a more neutral less in your face sound without giving up the clarity for music.
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post

Paradigm's speakers have a very accurate, neutral response. If you want something that sounds "smooth" and "laidback" I would suggest checking out the CM / Diamond series from Bowers & Wilkins. I'm not saying the B&W is not accurate or neutral, it just has a different sound than the Studio / Signature series from Paradigm.

I don't know what you guys heard before. I have heard the B&W CM/Diamond stuff before, and was not referring to the B&W type of sound. They are not my cup of tea. I wouldn't call Paradigm speakers "very accurate, neutral". I'm not saying I don't like the sound of my Signature's. I absolutely love and would be happy keeping them forever. BUT, they are not what I would call "very accurate." They still sound like speakers, even with good recordings. The speakers I was referring to in my previous posts were the type that if you close your eyes, you could SWEAR the singer or instrument is actually playing (live and without amplification or anything) in your room and not coming from speakers. Paradigms are not like that. This is something that is different from bright vs warm. With Paradigms the highs are crystal clear yet, the tweeter is prominent. You can hear the tweeter. This is part of what makes it bright. For me, there is a difference between smooth vs. laidback. A speaker can be bright and smooth as much as it can be warm and smooth. Smoothness, to me, implies that it is really really hard for the listener to differentiate which sounds are coming from the tweeter and which sounds from the midrange drivers. BTW the speakers I had mind when typing my post about bright vs detailed were the Sonus Faber Guaneri Evolution and Salk HT-2TL. The Sonus were the speakers that I thought "ehh they're OK", but then realized how good they were. The Sonus Fabers and Salks are what I would call neutral speaker. They are not "warm or laidback" in the sense that B&W or Wharfedale speakers are.I thought they were "warm" upon intial listen but they are not. Every frequency, every note is crystal clear, crisp and neutral, yet they are not bright. The tweeter is much much less prominent than my Sig's G-PAL tweeter. Sorry, I have a really hard time describing sound with words, but I think I have auditioned a good range (both price and sound signature wise) of speakers, including B&W, Sonus Faber, Salk, Monitor Audio, PSB, Klipsch, Quad, Totem, Wilson, etc and know what I think is good sound. There are speakers out there in the same price range as Signatures that will trump them in music in terms of accuracy, neutrality and smoothness.
Edited by dannybenz - 11/2/12 at 2:27am
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post #25838 of 28101
11/2/12 at 10:12am
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Originally Posted by dannybenz View Post

I don't know what you guys heard before. I have heard the B&W CM/Diamond stuff before, and was not referring to the B&W type of sound. They are not my cup of tea. I wouldn't call Paradigm speakers "very accurate, neutral". I'm not saying I don't like the sound of my Signature's. I absolutely love and would be happy keeping them forever. BUT, they are not what I would call "very accurate." They still sound like speakers, even with good recordings. The speakers I was referring to in my previous posts were the type that if you close your eyes, you could SWEAR the singer or instrument is actually playing (live and without amplification or anything) in your room and not coming from speakers. Paradigms are not like that. This is something that is different from bright vs warm. With Paradigms the highs are crystal clear yet, the tweeter is prominent. You can hear the tweeter. This is part of what makes it bright. For me, there is a difference between smooth vs. laidback. A speaker can be bright and smooth as much as it can be warm and smooth. Smoothness, to me, implies that it is really really hard for the listener to differentiate which sounds are coming from the tweeter and which sounds from the midrange drivers. BTW the speakers I had mind when typing my post about bright vs detailed were the Sonus Faber Guaneri Evolution and Salk HT-2TL. The Sonus were the speakers that I thought "ehh they're OK", but then realized how good they were. The Sonus Fabers and Salks are what I would call neutral speaker. They are not "warm or laidback" in the sense that B&W or Wharfedale speakers are.I thought they were "warm" upon intial listen but they are not. Every frequency, every note is crystal clear, crisp and neutral, yet they are not bright. The tweeter is much much less prominent than my Sig's G-PAL tweeter. Sorry, I have a really hard time describing sound with words, but I think I have auditioned a good range (both price and sound signature wise) of speakers, including B&W, Sonus Faber, Salk, Monitor Audio, PSB, Klipsch, Quad, Totem, Wilson, etc and know what I think is good sound. There are speakers out there in the same price range as Signatures that will trump them in music in terms of accuracy, neutrality and smoothness.

I'm not going to get into this. These words have no real technical meaning.
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post #25839 of 28101
11/2/12 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post

I'm not going to get into this. These words have no real technical meaning.

Theyre not supposed to. How can sound be described with "real technical meaning"? They are merely my observations and subjective opinions based on my experience. You recommended that i listen to B&W, so I was stating my opinion on my experience auditioning B&W and others.
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post #25840 of 28101
11/3/12 at 2:52pm
Anyone ever have or hear the Studio 100 V2's?
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post #25841 of 28101
11/3/12 at 4:37pm
Yes , I use four plus the v2 center, and subs. The v2 was the biggest studio reference made with the rosenut veneer I think was 110 pounds. Some say they were the best, others say each version was a refinement of the last model. Iove mine.
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post #25842 of 28101
11/3/12 at 5:27pm
Someone is selling a pair for under $700. Thought about trying them out for kicks.
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post #25843 of 28101
11/3/12 at 8:22pm
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Originally Posted by CHASLS2 View Post

Someone is selling a pair for under $700. Thought about trying them out for kicks.

Its funny that you mention that. Someone in my area is selling them for $500 and I also thought about trying them out. Still on the fence though.
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post #25844 of 28101
11/3/12 at 8:33pm
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Originally Posted by dannybenz View Post

Theyre not supposed to. How can sound be described with "real technical meaning"? They are merely my observations and subjective opinions based on my experience. You recommended that i listen to B&W, so I was stating my opinion on my experience auditioning B&W and others.

You mentioned your Signature speakers have the G-PAL tweeter. Have you heard Signatures with the Be tweeter? I wouldn't call them bright at all. To me they sound just right. Very similar in tonal quality to the Focal Electra Be line.
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post #25845 of 28101
11/3/12 at 8:50pm
Chasl,

I auditioned the Studio 100 and 60 (V2s) for many hours before going with the 60s. Both had clean and clear upper frequencies. I never agreed with cloud hear the forward/bright reputation the paradigms had. I found the 100's had fuller bass, but the mids-upper bass seemed to have some bloom for my taste... but in hindsight (and years of amp swapping that experience) that bloom could have been the warm sounding Rotel amps being used. With a modern, neutral, Class A, A/B, or class-D might suit the 100 V2s a lot better. Some of the early edgy class-d amps gave a very harsh sound with my 60's tweeter, which is the same in the 100s.

I'll never part with my 60's, and I expect I'd never part with 100's if I gone with them.

If you haven't already, this review is very thorough...
http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/252/

I should have added that I use my 60's with hi rez sources like SACD and DTS-HD soundtracks and they are very capable of rendering the benefits of those source. The 100s should be he same. Bi-wired I hear an improvent, but almost no improvent from bi-amping.

$700 for the pair is a steal.
Edited by dlarkin_dc - 11/4/12 at 6:06am
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post #25846 of 28101
11/3/12 at 9:57pm
Is there a Paradigm outlet store anywhere?
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post #25847 of 28101
11/4/12 at 1:35am
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You mentioned your Signature speakers have the G-PAL tweeter. Have you heard Signatures with the Be tweeter? I wouldn't call them bright at all. To me they sound just right. Very similar in tonal quality to the Focal Electra Be line.

Yes actually I have recently when I was shopping for surrounds. They are a bit less bright than my G-PAL's but still on the bright side compared to other speakers that I would consider neutral. By this, I mean that on certain voices/instruments, the treble can seem a bit exaggerated versus a speaker that sounds a closer to live unamplified music. That is Paradigm's sound signature, and I accept it. Some people may prefer it, others may not. After listening to other speakers, I realized that I prefer speakers that can most accurately replicate how the instruments or voices sound if one were listening live.

I appreciate having speakers as good as my S4. I have put up classifieds for them, but I will not let them go for less than my asking price because I don't mind keeping them.

On a side note:
It seems my posts have garnered some negative comments/feelings from other Paradigm owners. (Comments like, "maybe you should listen to these" and "your words have no real technical meaning"). How would you know what speaker I have or haven't listened to? Judging by my low post count? Let me repeat what I have said earlier. I love the sound of my speakers. They are on the brighter side when comparing the many revealing speakers out there. They are not painfully bright. I can crank them for hours and not have fatigue. There are only 2 or 3 times I have used the toned the treble down on my preamp, and I listen everyday. I'm trying to be honest. Just because I own a certain brand of anything, doesn't mean I won't be critical of any characteristics that I think can be improved upon. I always try to keep an open mind as this keeps me from becoming a fanboy of any one particular brand who fails acknowledge the fact that there are thousands of other speakers out there. You never know what you prefer if you haven't been exposed to anything better. There is no one speaker that fits everyone's preferences. These are my opinions and I am entitled to them just as anyone else is entitled to his/hers and I was discussing what my impressions of my speakers are during the time that I have had them and other speakers that I have auditioned. If I can't share my experience here, then what is the point of this thread?
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post #25848 of 28101
11/4/12 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by dannybenz View Post

Yes actually I have recently when I was shopping for surrounds. They are a bit less bright than my G-PAL's but still on the bright side compared to other speakers that I would consider neutral. By this, I mean that on certain voices/instruments, the treble can seem a bit exaggerated versus a speaker that sounds a closer to live unamplified music. That is Paradigm's sound signature, and I accept it. Some people may prefer it, others may not. After listening to other speakers, I realized that I prefer speakers that can most accurately replicate how the instruments or voices sound if one were listening live.
I appreciate having speakers as good as my S4. I have put up classifieds for them, but I will not let them go for less than my asking price because I don't mind keeping them.
On a side note:
It seems my posts have garnered some negative comments/feelings from other Paradigm owners. (Comments like, "maybe you should listen to these" and "your words have no real technical meaning"). How would you know what speaker I have or haven't listened to? Judging by my low post count? Let me repeat what I have said earlier. I love the sound of my speakers. They are on the brighter side when comparing the many revealing speakers out there. They are not painfully bright. I can crank them for hours and not have fatigue. There are only 2 or 3 times I have used the toned the treble down on my preamp, and I listen everyday. I'm trying to be honest. Just because I own a certain brand of anything, doesn't mean I won't be critical of any characteristics that I think can be improved upon. I always try to keep an open mind as this keeps me from becoming a fanboy of any one particular brand who fails acknowledge the fact that there are thousands of other speakers out there. You never know what you prefer if you haven't been exposed to anything better. There is no one speaker that fits everyone's preferences. These are my opinions and I am entitled to them just as anyone else is entitled to his/hers and I was discussing what my impressions of my speakers are during the time that I have had them and other speakers that I have auditioned. If I can't share my experience here, then what is the point of this thread?

I was trying to be helpful by suggesting you give B&W speakers a listen, but I don't want to read posts that contain a wall of text with no paragraph breaks, and talk in ambiguity about what you think bright, warm, laid back, smooth, etc. mean. I don't care. You are over playing the negative / hostile feelings aspect big time.
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post #25849 of 28101
11/5/12 at 4:27am
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Anyone ever have or hear the Studio 100 V2's?

I have used a v2 setup for years which consisted of 100's, 60's (rears), ADP's and the CC and still have all of them although the 60's, ADP's and CC have been retired smile.gif The 100 is a great speaker and I'm still using it for my surrounds as I have started upgrading to a B&W 800 system and haven't gotten to the surrounds yet. It's a big sucker, very solid bass with clear mids and highs.
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post #25850 of 28101
11/6/12 at 7:56am
Passing this Along Select Sony Stores are caring the Paradigm Cinema 100 CT and the Cinema 100 speaker.
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post #25851 of 28101
11/6/12 at 10:48am
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I'm having exactly the same problem you described with my CC-290 v5. I described my issues in a thread I created when I first discovered the issue.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1364571


Some voices, especially male voices have a very "buzzy" quality to them. I ruled out my receiver as the culprit, but have still been trying to determine if I might have a resonance in my room. I swapped out the CC-290 for an Atom Monitor and the distortion is gone. However I was wondering if a resonance might still be the issue. The CC-290 is a much larger speaker than the Atom. Is it possible that the CC-290 could be causing a resonance that the Atom does not?


Anyway, your experience, djkest, does seem to support the possibility that I've got at least one faulty driver in my CC-290.


Anyone else with similar issues?

So . . . just to update on an old post of mine, I finally took my CC-290 v5 in to my dealer for repairs about six weeks ago. They spent a couple of weeks listening to it (or so they tell me) before they finally heard the distortion that I was complaining about. They diagnosed it as a problem with the mid-range driver (which is what I suspected), and have replaced it. I'm picking it up today. The atom monitor that has been pulling duty as my center channel has performed admirably, but it just doesn't anchor the system they way the 290 does. I'm really looking forward to getting it back, so that my system sounds the way it should. Cheers!
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post #25852 of 28101
11/6/12 at 1:16pm
Your shop is a little slow. When I had the "funny sound thing" in one of my ADP 590s my local Paradigm shop analyzed it the first day and had replaced bad drivers in less than 2 weeks. That included shipment from Canada.

I also live in the backwoods town of Sacramento, CA. Everything is Sloooooow here.

Glad you got your stuff fixed. wink.gif
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post #25853 of 28101
11/6/12 at 3:46pm
Price update for cinema 400 & cinema 200??? How much a piece??
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post #25854 of 28101
11/6/12 at 3:56pm
Hello all..I'm replacing my center speaker..its a cc-370 vs 3...I just bought a cc290 vs
Its much larger and has more drivers so I hope its a improvement!..does anybody have this speaker and could you give me some feedback on your thoughts?
I have my monitor 7 vs up for sale..just bought studio 60 vs 3 for a great price ,I can not afford a studio center so I'm hoping this cc290 will be a better match than the cc370
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post #25855 of 28101
11/6/12 at 4:47pm
I have a mint cc690v5 in rosewood and studio 100v2 that I need to sell. Please pm me if interest. Thanks
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post #25856 of 28101
11/7/12 at 1:49am
Is this a good deal, assuming they are in good shape? Seems a bit high, but what would be a good price to offer for them?

http://dayton.craigslist.org/eld/3391512568.html

They also have these, pretty speakers, but I have a feeling I would like the first ones better.

http://dayton.craigslist.org/eld/3391501082.html
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post #25857 of 28101
11/7/12 at 9:48am
How much can I get for a pair of Studio 100 V5's in great condition on the used market right now? Anyone have an estimate for me?
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post #25858 of 28101
11/7/12 at 10:11am
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How much can I get for a pair of Studio 100 V5's in great condition on the used market right now? Anyone have an estimate for me?

I can estimate that I could afford to give you $1000, but you could probably get more.
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post #25859 of 28101
11/7/12 at 2:45pm
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How much can I get for a pair of Studio 100 V5's in great condition on the used market right now? Anyone have an estimate for me?

What finish are they? If you do set a price, please update this post or link to your ad.
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post #25860 of 28101
11/7/12 at 3:49pm
They are the black ash color. I am thinking they should be worth $2000 at least used.
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