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post #26011 of 30060
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Originally Posted by stevelj View Post

Taken with a cell phone (not great quality).
The top of the screen is at the ceiling. First of the wall including the screen, cabinet, and Studio 100s. 2nd a closeup of the cabinet and bottom of the screen. Total space above cabinet & top of the trim is 8".

So you're looking for a center that is less than 8" tall to complement the huge 100's? Impossible I'd say. Remember the center channel is probably the most important speaker. I'd say go with a phantom center or get a new cabinet from Standout Designs that will allow you go put a CC-590/690 in the cabinet.
post #26012 of 30060
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Originally Posted by globalgreg View Post

So you're looking for a center that is less than 8" tall to complement the huge 100's? Impossible I'd say. Remember the center channel is probably the most important speaker. I'd say go with a phantom center or get a new cabinet from Standout Designs that will allow you go put a CC-590/690 in the cabinet.

Agreed... or get a speaker stand... http://media.datatail.com/docs/specs/59824_en.pdf
post #26013 of 30060
I have been strongly considering starting to slowly upgrade my Studio setup to Signatures but was wondering if you can ever get any 'decent deals' with the pricing on these. I am currently running Paradigm Studio 60 V.3s but since I have blown a tweeter twice I am pretty much done fixing it and would like to upgrade. I have had them for a good 8 years or so it feels like (not sure) but the best I can do is hunt the entire internet for used pairs or step down to the bookshelf sized offerings which I do not want to do.

I am leaning toward the S6's but was wondering if any retailers actually let these go considerably below retail price or if it's just a few hundred bucks saving here vs there.

I am in West Michigan (Holland) and the only place I can find that has Signature speakers is Bekkins (I think it's called) in Grand Haven... So... I have 1 option, cool. How do you guys go about getting the best prices on these or do you all live in huge metro areas or close to places where you actually have choices?

In a perfect world I could get S8s but I don't have $7K for a pair of speakers unfortunately... S6's is also pushing it hard unless I can get a 'deal' or find that perfect used pair.
post #26014 of 30060
I do think S2's would be nice if I wanted a high-wall mounted option angled down because my screen takes up the entire side of the room wall to wall which means my Studio 60's have always been slightly blocking my picture... screen goes wall to wall ceiling to just about 12-16 inches from the carpet kind of insane. lol
post #26015 of 30060
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Originally Posted by pooshda View Post

. I am currently running Paradigm Studio 60 V.3s but since I have blown a tweeter twice I am pretty much done fixing it and would like to upgrade. I have had them for a good 8 years or so it feels like (not sure) but the best I can do is hunt the entire internet for used pairs or step down to the bookshelf sized offerings which I do not want to do.
The S6 is 91db@1w@1m with 200w max input.
The Studio 60 is 92db@1w@1m with 170w max input.

This is nearly identical top SPL. If you are blowing tweeters on the 60, I would think you will blow them on the 6.

It seems like you need louder speakers. Ones more efficient or capable of absorbing more wattage.
post #26016 of 30060
im freaking out, called my dealer afterhours ,leaving emails to tell him he forgot my adp590 when i went to up pick the studio 100,cc690,,sub15, i made two trips, didnt sign any papers, and only found out about it 5 hours later when i had time to look my boxes, theres no way they can f me over can they? im stressing out.
post #26017 of 30060
Hey Pooshda, Sometimes Tweets blow due to "Clipping" which happens when amp is over driven. (Ask me how I know?) Some of the larger towers have an impedance swing relative to frequency. It takes a pretty strong amp to keep up with this when driven at high levels.

I bought a 200 W / Chnl, all channels driven at full power, separate amp for my front 3 and all is well in my system.

Good luck with the new ones!
post #26018 of 30060
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Originally Posted by stevelj View Post

Taken with a cell phone (not great quality).
The top of the screen is at the ceiling. First of the wall including the screen, cabinet, and Studio 100s. 2nd a closeup of the cabinet and bottom of the screen. Total space above cabinet & top of the trim is 8".

Mod the cabinet, or get a new one where you can set the 590 / 690 below the top shelf. Too nice a system to mess up the center.
post #26019 of 30060
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Originally Posted by CHASLS2 View Post

Just got my Sig 2's hooked up. Here it is next to the smaller Studio 10.

World class tweeter.
post #26020 of 30060
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Originally Posted by icallyou604 View Post

im freaking out, called my dealer afterhours ,leaving emails to tell him he forgot my adp590 when i went to up pick the studio 100,cc690,,sub15, i made two trips, didnt sign any papers, and only found out about it 5 hours later when i had time to look my boxes, theres no way they can f me over can they? im stressing out.

Most dealers won't. Don't worry too much.
post #26021 of 30060
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

World class tweeter.

And world class sound, highs and mids sound unreal on the S2's.
post #26022 of 30060
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Originally Posted by CHASLS2 View Post

And world class sound, highs and mids sound unreal on the S2's.
If you think they're good now, give them a few weeks of use and your jaw will hit the floor.
post #26023 of 30060
Thanks for the responses about the tweeters blowing, I thought maybe it was a clipping issue but I had a high quality amp running them (Parasound @ 200WPC I think) I read somewhere a long time ago that there was something up with the earlier generation tweeter or crossover design associated with it (this could be COMPLETELY FALSE! just hearsay...) and that a lot of people actually had issues with the tweeters going out (which is probably why I read so many things about a VIFA replacement option years ago) I am debating on just replacing the tweeter again (I since sold the Parasound amps, but I also blew one when powering it off my Denon AVR as well before owning the amps) so that's two different power sources they ran off of... LOVE THE SPEAKERS though.

Just wondering if I am going to run into that issue again or not, I am calling a local dealer today to find out what they'd sell me a replacement tweeter for because I am starting to lean against upgrading for a few more months at least but someone was also kind enough to give me contact info for a dealer in IL last night that I can also look into. I think maybe for now I'll get a new tweeter and eventually I do want to upgrade though but don't feel I'm ever going to leave Paradigm... love em.

I also considered moving the S60's to be surround back and upgrading my front stage to S100's w/ a CC-690 but I feel like I need to 'upgrade to a new class' if I am going to shell out thousands of dollars anyway -- Perfectly happy with my Studios though, lol... damn upgrade bug.
Edited by pooshda - 12/6/12 at 10:04am
post #26024 of 30060
Can you get your hands on at least a dbMeter? Get a reading of your volume at 1m at your highest listening levels (the loudest volume you'd really listen at) and let's find out if we are in the ball-park of failure due to volume. If you are peaking (for example) at 102db, then this is a non-issue (as you are running about 10w) and we need to look at other sources for the cause of the blown tweeters.
post #26025 of 30060
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Originally Posted by pooshda View Post

Thanks for the responses about the tweeters blowing, I thought maybe it was a clipping issue but I had a high quality amp running them (Parasound @ 200WPC I think) I read somewhere a long time ago that there was something up with the earlier generation tweeter or crossover design associated with it (this could be COMPLETELY FALSE! just hearsay...) and that a lot of people actually had issues with the tweeters going out (which is probably why I read so many things about a VIFA replacement option years ago) I am debating on just replacing the tweeter again (I since sold the Parasound amps, but I also blew one when powering it off my Denon AVR as well before owning the amps) so that's two different power sources they ran off of... LOVE THE SPEAKERS though.
Just wondering if I am going to run into that issue again or not, I am calling a local dealer today to find out what they'd sell me a replacement tweeter for because I am starting to lean against upgrading for a few more months at least but someone was also kind enough to give me contact info for a dealer in IL last night that I can also look into. I think maybe for now I'll get a new tweeter and eventually I do want to upgrade though but don't feel I'm ever going to leave Paradigm... love em.
I also considered moving the S60's to be surround back and upgrading my front stage to S100's w/ a CC-690 but I feel like I need to 'upgrade to a new class' if I am going to shell out thousands of dollars anyway -- Perfectly happy with my Studios though, lol... damn upgrade bug.

I used to have a Studio 100 V5, CC690, and Studio 10 (for the rears) setup. After moving through 5 or 6 pairs after those speakers, I ended up with an S6 V3, C3, and ADP 1 setup. Incredible. Sounds like a pair of $20,000 speakers. The S6 are the best bargains in high-end audio, and most people don't give them a second look because they have a "Paradigm" logo stamped. Well, it's actually a big "P".

This is coming from a guy who had 800 Diamonds.

Anyone wanting to hear a review from me once they are broken in? I only have about 20 hours on the front L and R so far, so they are still breaking in. This may be the first pair I own more than 6 months.
Edited by TVMAN1991 - 12/6/12 at 12:07pm
post #26026 of 30060
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Originally Posted by CHASLS2 View Post

Just got my Sig 2's hooked up. Here it is next to the smaller Studio 10.
When you're bored would you mind swapping the S2 tweeters into the Studios and reporting back? Thinking of a future upgrade! biggrin.gif
post #26027 of 30060
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Originally Posted by pg_rider View Post

When you're bored would you mind swapping the S2 tweeters into the Studios and reporting back? Thinking of a future upgrade! biggrin.gif

Maybe. Seems my 490cc Studio center speaker pairs up very well with the Sig 2's I would have a hard time fitting a big C3 center on my tv stand as it is.
post #26028 of 30060
Yea. Matching crossovers to speakers is so amateur-hour smile.gif
post #26029 of 30060
I have not read all 889 post in this thread so I don't know if anything was brought up about the "Paradigm Export" speakers. I have a set, never really liked them that much and like them even less now. Wondering if anybody else has the same opinion and what would be the next upgrade to that speaker. Thanks.
post #26030 of 30060
no one has Cinema series 100/200/400 speakers here?

looking for some feedback on them.

I just picked up 100 for rear, 200 for L&R and 400 for centre for the new home (Feb 13)

sub will be reusing a compact Mirage MM8....small room 12x15 with a 60" Plasma (Samsung PN60E6500)

curious how much power you recommend? I have a NAD T748...modest power, but it has pre-out and can use my Parasound 5 channel (85Wx5). most curious on these speakers....no music...just HT use
post #26031 of 30060
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Originally Posted by poopiehead View Post

no one has Cinema series 100/200/400 speakers here?
looking for some feedback on them.
I just picked up 100 for rear, 200 for L&R and 400 for centre for the new home (Feb 13)
sub will be reusing a compact Mirage MM8....small room 12x15 with a 60" Plasma (Samsung PN60E6500)
curious how much power you recommend? I have a NAD T748...modest power, but it has pre-out and can use my Parasound 5 channel (85Wx5). most curious on these speakers....no music...just HT use

I suggest you approach it differently. Go to "the little guys .com" , they are a major NAD dealer, you can email them with your question or call them. They seem to be really good people and more importantly really know their business.

I bought my NAD 757 from them and they shipped it to me from IL to Mi and I was on the phone with them twice a day for weeks until I got my system set up perfectly. In my considered opinion those guys are speaker gurus.
post #26032 of 30060
Bad Studio 100 v.2 Crossover Story:

I would like to share my weirdest and most difficult audio problem in the 15 years that i have been part of the hobby.

Problem: random, totally unpredictable timing R tweeter buzz, then dropouts, then silence, fixed by increasing volume to max
briefly. Could go hours without it at times, other times it would come on within minutes after start.

Diagnostic path:

1. Switched amp channels, then interconnects, then swapped L/R on processor, all FAIL.


2. Swapped tweeters, FAIL, problem did not transfer to L.


3. Opened cabinet, pulled all wires off the crossovers, cleaned up contact, contact paste, FAIL.

4. Remembered my radio club days high school. Volume up must be recharging a capacitor then it get depleted at lower
volumes. Contacted Paradigm, they sent me the Mid/tweeter v.2 crossover.

The crossover is behind the top woofer, removed two layers of insulation to ge to it. To do it
properly one must lay the cabinet on its back, use a very long philips screwdriver, thankfully
the screws were magnetized already.

One month no problems knock on wood. I am thankful for the tech support and parts dept at
Paradigm, they super fast on the phones and emails. $100 crossover was overnighted from Canada
at no additional charge. Recently i had to deal with the Denon ESL GED support, what a far cry from the
educated and motivated individuals staffing Paradigm.

PS: I just bought a pair of Signature S8 v.2 (yep, V.2 guy here) off Audiogon i am dying with anticipation:))))
Edited by bobpaule - 12/7/12 at 4:25am
post #26033 of 30060
Need opinion on mixing Signature S8 v.2 with a C5 v.1 center.

I know that the Be tweeter is different, how aobut the other drivers?

Will it sound OK?
post #26034 of 30060
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Originally Posted by bobpaule View Post

Need opinion on mixing Signature S8 v.2 with a C5 v.1 center.
I know that the Be tweeter is different, how aobut the other drivers?
Will it sound OK?

I am mixing a Studio 490cc center with my new Sig 2's and they all blend great together.
post #26035 of 30060
Loving my Studio 100s and haven't even got em hooked up yet. They look like works of art!

I have a nice flat Berber carpet, was tempted to keep the nubs in instead of the carpet spikes, thoughts on that?
post #26036 of 30060
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Originally Posted by CHASLS2 View Post

I am mixing a Studio 490cc center with my new Sig 2's and they all blend great together.

Good to know, I will not give my kidney for a 2.9k beryllium, even 1.4 used seemed steep.
post #26037 of 30060
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Originally Posted by Kadath View Post

Loving my Studio 100s and haven't even got em hooked up yet. They look like works of art!
I have a nice flat Berber carpet, was tempted to keep the nubs in instead of the carpet spikes, thoughts on that?

You will be OK, the Berber if tightly woven will do a great job at reverb killing.
post #26038 of 30060
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Originally Posted by bobpaule View Post

Good to know, I will not give my kidney for a 2.9k beryllium, even 1.4 used seemed steep.

I can't see spending $2700 for a C3 center, plus it's too deep to fit on my TV stand. Bet i could A- B test the C3 and my 490 cc and no one could tell the dff.
post #26039 of 30060
You'll be able to tell the difference. I upgraded my v4 CC 590 to a v2 C3 and the bass capability of the C3 is very noticeable. The C3 simply digs deeper.
post #26040 of 30060
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Originally Posted by 519audiofan View Post

You'll be able to tell the difference. I upgraded my v4 CC 590 to a v2 C3 and the bass capability of the C3 is very noticeable. The C3 simply digs deeper.

I'm sure it does dig deeper. I use a SVS PB 12NSD with my Sig2's. Just kinda shocked the 490cc blends so well with the Sigs.
Edited by CHASLS2 - 12/8/12 at 12:52pm
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