Paradigm Owners Thread - Page 875

I was going to suggest get another sub but since its not in production anymore, that may be difficult.

Get the CC and add room treatment, that should make it like you have a new system.

Putting my beloved Studio 10s up for sale. Anyone interested?

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1448611/paradigm-studio-10v5-speakers-in-rosenut-local-only

Is the Model CC-370 V.3 a good speaker for $160? Is it bright? I found one on CL. What would I match it with? Thanks for help.

- Yes.
- No brighter than any of the other older Monitor-series speakers.
- Older Monitor 7s (v1-4), Monitor 3s and Mini Monitors.

I've had the CC-370v3 paired with both my Paradigm 7se's and, later, my Monitor 7v4s. Both configurations sounded very good.

Hi Everyone,

I recently purchased a pair of Paradigm Studio 60s along with a Denon AVR-3313CI. My goal is to build it up to a 5 or 5.1 surround sound system for watching movies and listening to music. These are the questions I would love your input on:

1. Will I need a Sub or will the Studio 60s suffice?

2. For the rear speakers, I'm trying to decide between Studio 10s, Studio 20s, or the Studio ADP-590s. Price is the reason for considering the 10s, but don't know how well they would perform in this setup for something like Dark Side Of The Moon on SACD or Lord Of The Rings on Blu Ray. Separately, I don't know much about what the difference between the ADP-590s and the other speakers, but I saw a reviewer with this setup and wondered why I might consider it.

I really appreciate any advice you could provide. Thanks in advance!

Gerry

Hi Gerry congrats on your new gears. Below are my 0.02 cents:

1. When i got my Monitor 7v6, I was so happy with the bass and I thought I'll never get a sub. I was darn wrong. When I went to an annual sight and sounds exhibit and demoed some subs, I realized Im missing a lot. In the end, I got a sealed sub and was so happy. So to answer your question, yes you need a sub.

2. I was choosing between atoms and adp for my surrounds and noticed the adp has better "enveloping" sound generally because its dipole. So if I'm on your shoes, I'd get ADP590.

Hope this helps.

For (most) music, the S60s alone will be fine. For movies, you will need a sub. (I have Studio 60v4s and I run subs with them.)
ADP-590s are great side surround speakers, but if you're setting up a 5.1 system, you might be better off with a direct-firing speakers such as the Studio 10s or 20s. The S10s will extend to below 80Hz, so with the sub(s) handling frequencies below the crossover, the S10s will work just fine as surrounds. However, if you come across a pair of gently-used S20s (v4 or v5), don't hesitate to snag those instead.

Finally, and even though you didn't ask - - do get a CC-690 for your CC speaker. It is a beautiful-sounding speaker. When I was upgrading to my current Studio set-up, I bought a gently-used CC-590v5, and on the day I picked it up, I demo'd it against my buddy's CC-690v5. After we were done demo-ing, we drove to his local Paradigm retailer and I bought a CC-690. To my ears (and to his), it really was that much better-sounding (bigger, fuller, richer, better-balanced).

Can you elaborate more on this? I run a 5.1 system. The fronts are Studio 20 v4, the center is a CC-490 v5, and I'm using a pair of mini monitor v3 for surrounds right now. I'm curious about trying dipoles. There is no back wall. My setup sits in a rectangular area, with the front stage along the short wall at the far end. At the other end is a couch, with the surrounds on stands on each side of it. There is no wall behind the couch. It simply opens up to a much larger area, which in turn is open to pretty much the rest of the house.

Do you think dipoles would work, or is it really necessary to have a back wall to reflect the sound back to the seating area?

I'm using my Studio 10v5's as rears with my Sig2v3's and they work very well.

Yeah, I don't really have any complaints about the surrounds I'm using, but I've never heard dipoles and I'm very curious to know how they sound. However, if they're going to sound like garbage because I don't have the right room configuration for them, then I probably won't bother experimenting with them.

I have ADP-390's nearly perpendicular to my listening position and a rear wall about 10 ft away from them. It sounds as if I have a pair of speakers behind me because of the rear wall. If I had no rear wall, I am quite certain I would not get the sound coming from behind me.

Wow, you weren't kidding! I just went went to a dealer and they were asking a ton for the set up that I was looking for.

Dipoles are excellent rear surround speakers and if you set them up correctly in the right room, even moreso....there is a lot of factors to consider but if you have them on stands on either side of the couch and the null area facing you, you might get a better "surround" experience than what you presently have. Do you feel your mini's are too "direct"? You can try different positions with them in the meantime.....you can try elevating them, placing them behind the couch, turn them facing each other or even turn them facing outwards.

Re-calibrate and see if you like it.....you may save some $$$ instead.

Hey guys,

Just a friendly update: My Sig C5 and Monitor Surround 3's have all sold and shipped out. But for some reason my Sig 8's have still not sold despite the crazy price I have them at: 5.3k (price includes shipping and all fees, insurance, etc). Anyone looking for the best speakers Paradigm has (cherry finish) in Like New condition, with original boxes and packaging, check my AVS classified posting!

That is all.
lol

Be patient, the more expensive the item it usually takes longer to sell. It took two months for my S6's to sell without pricing them too low.

Paradigm seem to be getting over priced, IMO and the local paradigm dealer won't do anything for discounts, is anyone else find retailers wont come down much? They would knock a $100 off for the studio 60 but full price for the 590 and the Studio 60 are floor models and the 590 would have to be ordered in, so $2600 for the Studio 60 and $1400 for the 590, doesn't seem like much of a deal, $4000 for them both! And isn't this v5 about to be replace soon?

Paradigm's value vs performance has been dropping over time IMO, I wouldn't be surprised if the new version increased in price even further. 

Yeah I remember years ago they were priced great but now that studio 60 and 590 would cost me more then a pair of songtowers or sierras or aperion verse grand including with their center and shipped to Canada, I really like paradigm they look cool, they sound great but I'm not sure I would valve that combo at $4000...

It was $3200 for just my Sig 2's. A C3 center is also priced way up there.

I think the competition has increased a lot, and the Canadian dollar is at a premium, raising labor costs etc. compared to other markets.
I found it hard to cough up the money for my Paradigm gear a while ago too.
That said, I got a decent discount, and the performance, aesthetics,etc have me feeling no regrets. Having kids means unfortunately that using the system at anywhere near levels that do it justice are rare. That said, the odd time I can, I'm still blown away. The only thing I want for is more power in the electrical sense. Needless to say, the basement will get all 20 amp circuits, with a few 240v.
Been thinking about a new CC to replace the monster mirage unit, but I don't find any disconnect in the sound, and CC's are so expensive!!
Maybe I need to wonder into the dealer to weaken my resolve...

No, I don't have any complaints about the Minis. I'm just curious about the dipoles. I've only ever had direct radiating surrounds, so I don't know what dipoles sound like. I'm thinking I'll watch for an affordable pair on the used market and give them a try to see if I like them.

However, your earlier comment about dipoles requiring a particular room configuration had me wondering if this experiment would be worthwhile, given my room. If there's no way a dipole will sound good in my room, then there isn't much point in acquiring a pair.

Am I being too lax on the price of my S8's? Is 5.3k too low/a steal or just about right?

That all depends on how quickly you want to sell them and how much of a hit your willing to take on them, obviously the lower the price the faster they'll sell.  My S6 v3, C5 v3 and S1 v3's ended selling for pretty much exactly 50% of the retail price, I'm just glad I didn't pay anywhere close to the msrp or I'd have taken a huge hit.

 

Not even sure what the S8's are going for these days but the 50% of retail price is where I started to get lots of interest and they sold pretty quickly once I priced them in that region. Good luck with the sale.

This is one reason I'm a big proponent of buying speakers gently-used. A pair of Studio 60v4s and a CC-690v5 (which is what I have) can be had for less than the cost of just the new pair of Studio 60s. Worth being patient for, IMO.

What's up 519?

 

Loving the Dyn's, here's the replacements for my S6's and C5.

 

 

 

Any plans of some Sig surrounds to match your front three for 2013?

 

You were thinking of a power amp at one point in time were you not? Did you end up getting one?

Edited by weird 23 - 1/1/13 at 8:49pm

+1, very good advice. I've scored some great deals buying this way.

Retail is 9k on the S8's. So I am getting very close to 50% retail....but really needing to stay above 5k because of shipping costs for these beasts!

I was lucky that both the C5 and S1's sold locally, the S6's shipping was paid by the buyer on top of the asking price. It is difficult to wait for things to sell but it seems your in the ballpark price wise, hopefully you'll find a buyer soon.

Wished i could luck into some Sig8's local. I never see used Paradigm stuff in my area.