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post #26521 of 30097
NEW QUESTION RE: MILLENIA CT SYSTEM

I recently received a Millenia CT System but I already have Pioneer VSX-520-K receiver running my PS3, Apple TV, and TV. Are these speakers compatible with this receiver?
post #26522 of 30097
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Are these speakers compatible with this receiver?
Yes, but IMO you're better off saving up for something better.

For one thing, the CT system's control box (which sends a signal to the sub's amp, which powers the sub and - through a fixed 150Hz crossover - the speakers) has only two audio inputs: an optical digital input, and a 3.5mm stereo input. Your AVR doesn't have an optical output, so you'd be restricted to feeding stereo analogue audio from your AVR's "TAPE" output to the CT system.

Also, the sub is an 80W RMS unit that (optimistically?) is rated to 28Hz @ -3dB in-room. If you're hoping for a lot of performance out of it, you're likely to be disappointed.

However, if you're looking for something better than TV speakers, the CT system should do the trick. smile.gif
Edited by eljaycanuck - 1/29/13 at 4:55pm
post #26523 of 30097
Thanks for that explanation Eljay!
post #26524 of 30097
Glad to help. smile.gif
post #26525 of 30097
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Originally Posted by malcolmp6 View Post

Questions for signature S2 owners. If mated with a JL Audio f112 sub can these compete with the S6. Also can these be placed close to a rear wall without impacting performance?
Last can these be driven by a receiver or do they need a high current amp for best performance?
I am looking to replace my studio 100s with something smaller like the S2 to free up floor space.

In my experience, the S2's + sub don't equal S6 + sub, but if I had to choose S2 + F112 or S6 by itself, I'd pick the S2 + f112.

I owned the S2v2 for about 2 years with a Rythmik F12, then Rythmik F15, then JL F113. I was never able to get a perfect blend. Then I upgraded to the S6v2 and the sub integration is now seemless. I think the S2's lack output in the lower midrange (80-200hz) and can't keep up with the subwoofer on bass heavy music, especially at loud volumes. The S6's have far more output in this range, but still don't have enough low end to go without a sub. Maybe the S2v3 would blend better, but I have not heard them.

I don't have experience with putting either speaker close to a wall, but I'd expect the impact to be less with the S2 since there is less bass. Either speaker will run off of a receiver but will improve with more power. I'd recommend going for the S6's and getting a cheaper sub or waiting to add a sub later. Its a more future proof option which is less likely leave you wanting to upgrade later.

Mike
post #26526 of 30097
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Originally Posted by mvppsu View Post

I think the S2's lack output in the lower midrange (80-200hz) and can't keep up with the subwoofer on bass heavy music, especially at loud volumes. The S6's have far more output in this range, but still don't have enough low end to go without a sub. Maybe the S2v3 would blend better, but I have not heard them.

Mike

I think what you are referring to was something that was specific to the v2. I read a review of the S2v3 and this is a quote from that review that seems to describe what you heard with the V2.

"The 7" Co-Pal (cobalt-infused pure aluminum) bass/midrange driver has what Paradigm calls a Non-Limiting Corrugated surround. This allows the S2 v.3 to play louder and more linearly than the S2 v.2 because the cone can travel farther before its motion is impeded by the surround. The bottom line is that Paradigm has optimized the drivers in the S2 v.3 for the clean, loud, and linear reproduction of sound. "

Now I can't say from experience just what one pro reviewer said.
post #26527 of 30097
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Originally Posted by Scott Woodruff View Post

NEW QUESTION RE: MILLENIA CT SYSTEM

I recently received a Millenia CT System but I already have Pioneer VSX-520-K receiver running my PS3, Apple TV, and TV. Are these speakers compatible with this receiver?

You may have better luck with the passive Millenia One speakers if you want to still use a receiver. The sub also has more performance (and expense) since it does not have built in amps for two satellites. The Millenia CT is fully powered and is for systems or computers where you do not wish to have any receiver.
http://www.paradigm.com/products/products-by-series/millenia-speakers

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Originally Posted by mvppsu View Post

In my experience, the S2's + sub don't equal S6 + sub, but if I had to choose S2 + F112 or S6 by itself, I'd pick the S2 + f112.

I owned the S2v2 for about 2 years with a Rythmik F12, then Rythmik F15, then JL F113. I was never able to get a perfect blend. Then I upgraded to the S6v2 and the sub integration is now seemless. I think the S2's lack output in the lower midrange (80-200hz) and can't keep up with the subwoofer on bass heavy music, especially at loud volumes. The S6's have far more output in this range, but still don't have enough low end to go without a sub. Maybe the S2v3 would blend better, but I have not heard them.

I don't have experience with putting either speaker close to a wall, but I'd expect the impact to be less with the S2 since there is less bass. Either speaker will run off of a receiver but will improve with more power. I'd recommend going for the S6's and getting a cheaper sub or waiting to add a sub later. Its a more future proof option which is less likely leave you wanting to upgrade later.

Mike

I think the S2 / S6 version 3 can be crossed at 60Hz without any blending problems. Also, the MSRP of the S6 in Piano black is now at $7K. You can get a lot of sub for the difference. For example Sub 1 + S2 is somewhere in the 8K range.

It's also good to keep in mind that Paradigm rates it's speakers conservatively. LFE is -3db @ 26Hz. for the S6v3 and 36Hz for the S2v3. I listen to the S2 in 2-channel with no sub.
post #26528 of 30097
Does anyone know the up to date list price in US and Canada for the S8? Gibby's (a Canadian Dealer) shows the S8 at a price of $10599.99 a pair in Gloss Black. A YouTube video from CES 2013 from the Paradigm booth has a guy named Rob Sample saying the S8's in Gloss Black are $8000?? This can't be correct can it????????? Anyone know the US price for the Studio 100??...it is currently $3899 in Canada.
post #26529 of 30097
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Originally Posted by JKR1963 View Post

Does anyone know the up to date list price in US and Canada for the S8? Gibby's (a Canadian Dealer) shows the S8 at a price of $10599.99 a pair in Gloss Black. A YouTube video from CES 2013 from the Paradigm booth has a guy named Rob Sample saying the S8's in Gloss Black are $8000?? This can't be correct can it????????? Anyone know the US price for the Studio 100??...it is currently $3899 in Canada.

S8 - Piano Black 10k US
Studio 100 - Piano Black 3.9k US

I found those prices listed on Audiolab Stereo & Video Center Inc.'s website.

Paradigm Signatures, since the v3 has been released, has went up 30-35% in price.
Edited by Eldiablos - 1/30/13 at 3:54am
post #26530 of 30097
I had the studio 20v2 and just upgrade to the stufdio 20v5 I put the v2 in bedroom the v5 blows it out the box save your money and get the v5s.
post #26531 of 30097
Does anyone have an update on when the Reference Studio V6 will be released?
post #26532 of 30097
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Originally Posted by Eldiablos View Post

S8 - Piano Black 10k US
Studio 100 - Piano Black 3.9k US

I found those prices listed on Audiolab Stereo & Video Center Inc.'s website.

Paradigm Signatures, since the v3 has been released, has went up 30-35% in price.

I thought so.......it was weird to hear the guy say they were $8000. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9tH2NyQ9jo
post #26533 of 30097
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Originally Posted by tommmmy View Post

Does anyone have an update on when the Reference Studio V6 will be released?

I am also waiting because the rumour was that they will be worth waiting for..........but do they really think they can raise their prices.......which have risen so much in the last 3 years??? Usually they raise the price.......I think they need to lower them a bit.
post #26534 of 30097
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Originally Posted by JKR1963 View Post

I am also waiting because the rumour was that they will be worth waiting for..........but do they really think they can raise their prices.......which have risen so much in the last 3 years??? Usually they raise the price.......I think they need to lower them a bit.
Maybe the new ones will have the beryllium from the sigs and the new sigs will have unobtanium tweets or something similar. The raising prices could just be warming us up for what the price of the new studios will be. Hope not though.
post #26535 of 30097
I think many long time Paradigm fans are feeling warm enough!!smile.gif
post #26536 of 30097
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Originally Posted by Eldiablos View Post

S8 - Piano Black 10k US
Studio 100 - Piano Black 3.9k US

I found those prices listed on Audiolab Stereo & Video Center Inc.'s website.

Paradigm Signatures, since the v3 has been released, has went up 30-35% in price.

I don't get why the price lists are so secret. It just leads to many of these questions. Is the dealer giving me the actual price, or his "special price" but I guess they have strict guidelines about their minimum advertised price, etc. They are supposed to charge MSRP or darn close to it. I'd rather know all the prices and add them up myself. Otherwise you just stand around awkwardly at the dealing asking things like, "How much would everything be if I got this model instead"?

Though I suppose if you have to ask....but that doesn't really make sense for their lower-end models at all. People want to know how much they are in for. I probably would have bought many more pieces if it was just easier to order them.
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

Maybe the new ones will have the beryllium from the sigs and the new sigs will have unobtanium tweets or something similar. The raising prices could just be warming us up for what the price of the new studios will be. Hope not though.

The Sigs are already some of the cheapest speakers featuring a Be tweeter. I am not sure they will be able to pull that off, but maybe through economies of scale. Judging by the serial numbers on the back of my Sigs they really haven't made that many of them; I'm talking in the 10s of thousands of units, but I suppose they could add digits.
post #26537 of 30097
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Originally Posted by Eldiablos View Post

S8 - Piano Black 10k US
Studio 100 - Piano Black 3.9k US

I found those prices listed on Audiolab Stereo & Video Center Inc.'s website.

Paradigm Signatures, since the v3 has been released, has went up 30-35% in price.

Sure worked out well for me when I went to sell my complete set of Signature v.3 speakers! Mind you I still own the SUB 25.;..
post #26538 of 30097
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Originally Posted by mvppsu View Post

In my experience, the S2's + sub don't equal S6 + sub, but if I had to choose S2 + F112 or S6 by itself, I'd pick the S2 + f112.

My guess would be that you are experiencing the higher crossover from the midrange. By not forcing the midrange to come all the way down to the sub crossover, and by putting a more capable speaker between the two, you should increase SPL and lower midrange distortion.
post #26539 of 30097
Yeah the S8 has really gone up quite a bit in the last years.....I personally don't think the S8 is worth the price of admission @ 10k for the piano black.....that's why I was settling for the S6 but am taking a well calculated risk @ the Tributes (special ordered them already). I have a feeling the Tribute's new mid range will be what they'll be using in the next generation signatures. On the plus side, I do think the improvement from v2 to v3 for the signatures is pretty decent....I passed on paradigm years back because I couldn't believe how forward the speakers were. This gen, they are still forward but I liked the analytical clarity/transparency so I think they'll sever me well in the main use on the new setup (home theater).
post #26540 of 30097
Has paradigm always slowly upped their prices on their current gen speakers like with the v5, etc?
post #26541 of 30097
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

Has paradigm always slowly upped their prices on their current gen speakers like with the v5, etc?

Yup.

They've even taken flack for producing their last version of the Monitor line in China (probably some of their drivers too). Paradigm then moved the production line back to Canada last I heard. As it stands, not relying on slave labor makes the costs go up, which are then passed on to the customer. As long as the quality remains high, I guess I can't argue too much.

I'll repeat that... the quality still has to be top notch to continually ask their customers to pay higher prices. I do want to support companies if they give local workers good wages.

There is a U.S. based alternative that can compete nicely with Paradigm: Triad. They're really good speakers and some model lines are more suited for the punishment dished out by modern movie soundtracks... without sacrificing audio quality for audiophile music recordings. Once my Studios are long in the tooth, I might just switch to Triads (though, I'd still shop around). They have a lot more design choices too.
Edited by Dan Hitchman - 1/31/13 at 3:03pm
post #26542 of 30097
New Question: What amp for Sig 6's v3?

Hi all,
Be gentle, this is my first post, but by all means, chastise me for any faux pas. I bought Sig 6's a year ago, but hadn't until recently got serious about set-up, amp match, etc. I'm finding that my current front end and speaker combo is more fatiguing than I had hoped. I was thinking that I would try to find a USED pair of Parasound JC1's to upgrade to; however, a local dealer (who previously sold Parasound gear) cautioned me about this, saying in effect, that Parasound amps are generally considered "bright" and wouldn't be a salutary match with the Be- tweeted Sig's. So my questions are these:

(1) Has anyone paired Sig 6's (or other Sig's) with JC1's? Impressions?
(2) Does anyone have alternative amp suggestions for mating with the Sig 6's to tame the brightness and develop the bottom end a bit more. (I "upgraded" from Mirage M3 si's, and am missing the 10" woofers).

Note: This is an integral part of my 5.1 system for movies, so I don't think I want to go the tube route. Two used JC1's can be had for around $4K, so that's my approx. budget.

My other key system components: Oppo 95, Arcam fmj processor (direct analog passthrough for 2 channel), Musical Design amps for all speakers

Thanks to all.
post #26543 of 30097
Kvail,

Ever considered the Anthem Statement P5, 5-channel amp? Same family line as Paradigm and voiced to work together... good quality amps too. I'm sure you'll need a bit more power with the Sigs (just like the Studios)... 325 watts/channel... and the retail price is $5,000, though I'm sure you can finagle a discount at a dealer.

I've never heard of Parasound Halo amps as sounding "bright."

Another idea, since this is for home theater purposes, is Earthquake and Outlaw Audio (they have a 300 watt/channel multi-channel amp in the works).
Edited by Dan Hitchman - 2/1/13 at 4:00pm
post #26544 of 30097
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Originally Posted by kvail View Post

New Question: What amp for Sig 6's v3?

Hi all,
Be gentle, this is my first post, but by all means, chastise me for any faux pas. I bought Sig 6's a year ago, but hadn't until recently got serious about set-up, amp match, etc. I'm finding that my current front end and speaker combo is more fatiguing than I had hoped. I was thinking that I would try to find a USED pair of Parasound JC1's to upgrade to; however, a local dealer (who previously sold Parasound gear) cautioned me about this, saying in effect, that Parasound amps are generally considered "bright" and wouldn't be a salutary match with the Be- tweeted Sig's. So my questions are these:

(1) Has anyone paired Sig 6's (or other Sig's) with JC1's? Impressions?
(2) Does anyone have alternative amp suggestions for mating with the Sig 6's to tame the brightness and develop the bottom end a bit more. (I "upgraded" from Mirage M3 si's, and am missing the 10" woofers).

Note: This is an integral part of my 5.1 system for movies, so I don't think I want to go the tube route. Two used JC1's can be had for around $4K, so that's my approx. budget.

My other key system components: Oppo 95, Arcam fmj processor (direct analog passthrough for 2 channel), Musical Design amps for all speakers

Thanks to all.

You do not need 400W to make the S6 play as loud as it will play, or the bass as deep as it should. My S6 puts out more bass when I turn Anthem's ARC off vs. on so a more muscular amp would not be of much use as my room is the problem.


From Paradigm's website:
Suitable Amplifier Power Range: 15 - 400 watts
Maximum Input Power: 200 watts

The S6 cannot handle more than 200W of actual power. Anything more than that and you are talking about headroom. I think Paradigm blew a tweeter with a pair of Statement M1's at an audio show, but I can't find where I read that.
post #26545 of 30097
I would spend the money on the new Marantz 8801 pre/pro instead of the jci's because xt32 will tame that tweeter sizzle, also room treatment, what sub are you using ?
post #26546 of 30097
I just use a old Acurus A200 for my Sig2 v3's and they sound great together.
post #26547 of 30097
After 6 weeks I finally received my repaired MilleniaOneCT system from Paradigm. Set it all up and plug it in and it doesn't even turn on. On top of that there was a dent in the tweeter that never existed before and some additional scratching of the sats. To my surprise it was Crutchfield who stepped up to fully replace the units and 3 days later I finally have music back! Thank you Crutchfield for your excellent customer service.
post #26548 of 30097
Just to add to the Signature eyecandy: My Signature v.1 setup... I tried to sell the set to move to a more music oriented setup, but could not find a buyer willing to pay the shipping. But, the more I listen to it, I realize that I would've probably regretted selling them. For now I am running 3.1, as I could not find S2 v.1 in Maple. I wouldn't mind having black Studio 20 v.4 but those are hard to come by as well, at least in my price range.


post #26549 of 30097
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Originally Posted by dannybenz View Post

Just to add to the Signature eyecandy: My Signature v.1 setup... I tried to sell the set to move to a more music oriented setup, but could not find a buyer willing to pay the shipping. But, the more I listen to it, I realize that I would've probably regretted selling them. For now I am running 3.1, as I could not find S2 v.1 in Maple. I wouldn't mind having black Studio 20 v.4 but those are hard to come by as well, at least in my price range.



What amps are those in the picture?
post #26550 of 30097
looks like 3 Emotiva UPA-1 to me
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