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post #26581 of 30095
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Originally Posted by ayrton View Post

As a former owner of Studio 100s, I highly recommend them. I used a CC 690, ADP 590s and a SVS sub with them. As mentioned above, you need a good amp for the front three.

Good luck and pics of the install, ayrton

Ayrton, voce e Brasileiro?
post #26582 of 30095
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Originally Posted by addictaudio View Post

Ayrton, voce e Brasileiro?

I don't do Spanish, but Ayrton Senna was and is my all time favorite F1 Driver.
post #26583 of 30095
Yup, that is why I asked if you were from brazil;-)
post #26584 of 30095
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Originally Posted by ayrton View Post

I agree!

A lot of people, including me, think a big, 125 - 145 W/C AVR, can handle these speakers. The ones I had wouldn't and damaged the drivers. Since I've added a XPA-3, I have had more solid sound and no driver problems with my S8s.

I think a quality amp / receiver is more important than the power rating. This post is rather informative.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1289533/anthem-mrx-receivers-300-500-700-owners-thread-tweaking-guide/7410#post_21218995
post #26585 of 30095
OK, I took advantage of the fallout from the holiday upgraditis exacerbation
of some of our more endowed members and scavenged the following setup
off Audiogon/Ebay, to replace my Reference v.2 system of 10 years:

1. Signature S8 v.2 Cherry
2. Signature C5 v.1 Bird's Eye Maple
3. Signature ADP v.1 darker cherry (ADP3 in newer versions)
4. Signature S2 v.1, yet another shade of cherry:)
5. Kept Servo-15 v.2

For a change i had a very good buying experience, the palletized S8s came in one piece too:)

I needed a few grilles and feet replaced, had a dented tweeter dome repair (silicone on back
of Velcro TM pulled it out perfectly), cabinet corner repair, all while the AWESOME Paradigm
technicians answered their calls giving great advice, and parts would arrive in 2 days. I never
knew telephone ordering could be so easy with motivated staff. What a great company to deal with!

Install was a bxxxx as i passed all cables through walls, but the video (colono)scope helped a lot, and
i took advantage of the dropped ceiling fiberglass re-tiling to put all my Belden 10AWG wiring up to
code (oh boy those shoulders). Now i need to treat the walls, more Owens Corning 703 burlap covered panels,
redo the center console with secondary monitor, the bar with running water and fridge,
jigsaw doors for port windows, put curtains, risers, podium (more jigsaw), signs, OMFG it will never end, my fingers
have calluses already.

I am powering these off x2 Sherbourn 5/1500A monoblock construction amps, with fronts passively biamped, King
Cobra XLRs from a PR-SC5509.
Edited by bobpaule - 2/6/13 at 9:08am
post #26586 of 30095
Hello Paradigm owners and followers:


I wanted your opinion of when the Monitor Series 8 speaker line will come out. As of now we have the Series 7 or v.7 for the Monitors 7s, 9s, and 11s etc.

Does Paradigm update their speaker lines every 2-4 years.

And could we see only a minor improvement in the Series 8 generation such as improved crossovers or slightly better cosmetic styling.

I couldn't see a major revamp in the Series 8. Perhaps that would be the series 9 we could see a major upgrade.


Any feedback from those in the know or Paradigm insiders would be greatly appreciated.
post #26587 of 30095
I'm thinking about upgrading my system. I've been using the Cinema 110 5.1 series since 2007. I later on added a couple of Cinema 70 satellite speakers for the surround back. My room is only around 12x15 and the couch is against the wall, so I'm thinking of not going to a 7.1 system after my upgrade until I move out to a bigger place.

I'm only going to upgrade the fronts first and then slowly upgrade the surrounds. I had my eyes set on the Studio 100’s. I went to my local dealer and tested them out and really liked the way it sounded. The salesman wasn’t pushy, but suggested that I don’t go with big floorstanding speakers for a small room. He showed me a pair of S1’s with a seismic 110 subwoofer and it sounded really good as well and he said that it would probably be a better set up for a smaller room. What do you guys think? I plan to eventually move out in a few years, so is it better to get the 100’s first even with the small room, or go with a couple of nice bookshelf speakers along with a nice subwoofer? I’m leaning towards getting the Studio 100’s mainly because of how much the prices have been going up lately. If I wait, I might have to fork out more money down the road. I’m just worried that the Studio 100’s might be too overkill for a small room and end up not even sounding good.

What about getting a Studio 20 with the Seismic 110? Could the Studio 20’s be used as surround speakers later on when I move out? With regards to the center channel, I haven’t decided on how to approach that yet, but I know that I’ll have to test a few and pick one when I’m ready to purchase. Right now I’m more concerned about getting a good setup for 2ch music.
post #26588 of 30095
Hey Guys, i have a question regarding the Paradigm Reference Sub 12. On the specs it says Low Frequency extension 16 Hz, but then it also says "Sub woofer Cut-off Frequency Variable 35 Hz - 150 Hz; Bypass Option". So does this mean that the sub will do 16 Hz or that it only goes as low as 35 Hz?

Thanks
post #26589 of 30095
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Originally Posted by 04rex View Post

Hey Guys, i have a question regarding the Paradigm Reference Sub 12. On the specs it says Low Frequency extension 16 Hz, but then it also says "Sub woofer Cut-off Frequency Variable 35 Hz - 150 Hz; Bypass Option". So does this mean that the sub will do 16 Hz or that it only goes as low as 35 Hz?

Thanks

Sub12 will go to 20Hz flat (at least that's the end point of what PBK can measure, not sure about 16Hz). Cut-off frequency means where your sub start doing the work. For example, if you set the cutoff at 60Hz, your sub will do the work between 60Hz and 20Hz, if set to 80Hz, the range is 80Hz to 20Hz. Hope this help.
post #26590 of 30095
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

Sub12 will go to 20Hz flat (at least that's the end point of what PBK can measure, not sure about 16Hz). Cut-off frequency means where your sub start doing the work. For example, if you set the cutoff at 60Hz, your sub will do the work between 60Hz and 20Hz, if set to 80Hz, the range is 80Hz to 20Hz. Hope this help.

It does, perfect. Thanks!!
post #26591 of 30095
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Originally Posted by almo89 View Post

I'm thinking about upgrading my system. I've been using the Cinema 110 5.1 series since 2007. I later on added a couple of Cinema 70 satellite speakers for the surround back. My room is only around 12x15 and the couch is against the wall, so I'm thinking of not going to a 7.1 system after my upgrade until I move out to a bigger place.

I'm only going to upgrade the fronts first and then slowly upgrade the surrounds. I had my eyes set on the Studio 100’s. I went to my local dealer and tested them out and really liked the way it sounded. The salesman wasn’t pushy, but suggested that I don’t go with big floorstanding speakers for a small room. He showed me a pair of S1’s with a seismic 110 subwoofer and it sounded really good as well and he said that it would probably be a better set up for a smaller room. What do you guys think? I plan to eventually move out in a few years, so is it better to get the 100’s first even with the small room, or go with a couple of nice bookshelf speakers along with a nice subwoofer? I’m leaning towards getting the Studio 100’s mainly because of how much the prices have been going up lately. If I wait, I might have to fork out more money down the road. I’m just worried that the Studio 100’s might be too overkill for a small room and end up not even sounding good.

What about getting a Studio 20 with the Seismic 110? Could the Studio 20’s be used as surround speakers later on when I move out? With regards to the center channel, I haven’t decided on how to approach that yet, but I know that I’ll have to test a few and pick one when I’m ready to purchase. Right now I’m more concerned about getting a good setup for 2ch music.

i was just listening today to the studio 60 and the ma rx8 on a nad 150 sys.. both where very good but overall the 60 won imho.. the rx8 had a bit more bass but the mid tones where a bit muddy
the 60 had more clarity..

get the 60 instead of the 100 for your small room you could always use them as surrounds later.. 60's and a nice sub instead of 100...

im going back tomorrow to listen to the 100s i had a quick listen today.. sounds like the 60s tonally. 1200 less for 60s.. want to listen to the 100 beside the ma gx 300 tomorrow..

for 3 times the price you get into the sig line which is not 3x the performance.. a bit sweeter the sale rep said..

anybody out there know exactly when the studio 100 and 60s production was stopped in china and brought back to Canada..sale rep said 9 months ago, i want to buy Canadian or American.. ideally

i found out today the rx and gx monitor audio speakers are made in china only there pl lines are made in england.. dont mind buyin England either..

paradigm bringing back production to Canada is a really cool thing hopefully everyone else could would do that..

or back to the USA too..

cheers..
post #26592 of 30095
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Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post

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Originally Posted by 04rex View Post

Hey Guys, i have a question regarding the Paradigm Reference Sub 12. On the specs it says Low Frequency extension 16 Hz, but then it also says "Sub woofer Cut-off Frequency Variable 35 Hz - 150 Hz; Bypass Option". So does this mean that the sub will do 16 Hz or that it only goes as low as 35 Hz?

Thanks

Sub12 will go to 20Hz flat (at least that's the end point of what PBK can measure, not sure about 16Hz). Cut-off frequency means where your sub start doing the work. For example, if you set the cutoff at 60Hz, your sub will do the work between 60Hz and 20Hz, if set to 80Hz, the range is 80Hz to 20Hz. Hope this help.

take a look at the PSA line of subs.. avs has a thread.. Tom is a real great csr.. check it out and save...

geting DOWN TOO *8hz

LOW LOW

hang on!

cheers..
post #26593 of 30095
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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

Hello Paradigm owners and followers:


I wanted your opinion of when the Monitor Series 8 speaker line will come out. As of now we have the Series 7 or v.7 for the Monitors 7s, 9s, and 11s etc.

Does Paradigm update their speaker lines every 2-4 years.

And could we see only a minor improvement in the Series 8 generation such as improved crossovers or slightly better cosmetic styling.

I couldn't see a major revamp in the Series 8. Perhaps that would be the series 9 we could see a major upgrade.


Any feedback from those in the know or Paradigm insiders would be greatly appreciated.

save up a bit more money and get into Studio's if you can..

cheers..
post #26594 of 30095
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

i was just listening today to the studio 60 and the ma rx8 on a nad 150 sys.. both where very good but overall the 60 won imho.. the rx8 had a bit more bass but the mid tones where a bit muddy
the 60 had more clarity..

get the 60 instead of the 100 for your small room you could always use them as surrounds later.. 60's and a nice sub instead of 100...

im going back tomorrow to listen to the 100s i had a quick listen today.. sounds like the 60s tonally. 1200 less for 60s.. want to listen to the 100 beside the ma gx 300 tomorrow..

for 3 times the price you get into the sig line which is not 3x the performance.. a bit sweeter the sale rep said..

I don't think the deal was trying to talk him into anything. It is not 3x the price. They are very near the same price for the models being considered. I think the S1 is ~$2K, S2 is about $3K and the Studio 60s and 100s are at least those prices respectively.

I think the S1 or S2 + sub are a much better buy, and esp. for a smaller room.
post #26595 of 30095
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

i was just listening today to the studio 60 and the ma rx8 on a nad 150 sys.. both where very good but overall the 60 won imho.. the rx8 had a bit more bass but the mid tones where a bit muddy
the 60 had more clarity..

get the 60 instead of the 100 for your small room you could always use them as surrounds later.. 60's and a nice sub instead of 100...

im going back tomorrow to listen to the 100s i had a quick listen today.. sounds like the 60s tonally. 1200 less for 60s.. want to listen to the 100 beside the ma gx 300 tomorrow..

for 3 times the price you get into the sig line which is not 3x the performance.. a bit sweeter the sale rep said..

I don't think the deal was trying to talk him into anything. It is not 3x the price. They are very near the same price for the models being considered. I think the S1 is ~$2K, S2 is about $3K and the Studio 60s and 100s are at least those prices respectively.

I think the S1 or S2 + sub are a much better buy, and esp. for a smaller room.

i was refering to the sig s6 and s8 vs the 60 100 in price.. give me the floor standers over book shelf speakers any day.. imho...

cheers
post #26596 of 30095
I know Monitor line was being made in China and brought back to Canada. When did the same start applying tithe Studios?

I listened to Monitor Audio GX200 and miles better than the 60s. Also cost more, so I wouldn't expect a fair fight between the 100 and GX300.
post #26597 of 30095
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

i was just listening today to the studio 60 and the ma rx8 on a nad 150 sys.. both where very good but overall the 60 won imho.. the rx8 had a bit more bass but the mid tones where a bit muddy
the 60 had more clarity..

get the 60 instead of the 100 for your small room you could always use them as surrounds later.. 60's and a nice sub instead of 100...

im going back tomorrow to listen to the 100s i had a quick listen today.. sounds like the 60s tonally. 1200 less for 60s.. want to listen to the 100 beside the ma gx 300 tomorrow..

for 3 times the price you get into the sig line which is not 3x the performance.. a bit sweeter the sale rep said..

anybody out there know exactly when the studio 100 and 60s production was stopped in china and brought back to Canada..sale rep said 9 months ago, i want to buy Canadian or American.. ideally

i found out today the rx and gx monitor audio speakers are made in china only there pl lines are made in england.. dont mind buyin England either..

paradigm bringing back production to Canada is a really cool thing hopefully everyone else could would do that..

or back to the USA too..

cheers..

Thanks for you advice! I actually tested the 60s and 100s, but both without subwoofers. The 60s didn't blow me away, but the 100s really did. The 60s probably sound a lot better with a nice sub. I'll need to test them out again when the time comes.
post #26598 of 30095
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

save up a bit more money and get into Studio's if you can..

cheers..

As a former dealer, the Studios are great to look at, but the resale SUCKS..... i SUGGEST YOU LISTEN TO ANOTHER GREAT CANADIAN SPEAKER - PSB.

Paul Barton as been designing accurate sounding products at reasonable prices for years! and YES Paradigm is indeed on a 4 year cycle.
post #26599 of 30095
I would listen to HSU or Emotiva subs...... very good value.... Paradigm subs have too mush of a dealer margin... thus they are NOT a good value.rolleyes.gif
post #26600 of 30095
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Originally Posted by almo89 View Post

I'm thinking about upgrading my system. I've been using the Cinema 110 5.1 series since 2007. I later on added a couple of Cinema 70 satellite speakers for the surround back. My room is only around 12x15 and the couch is against the wall, so I'm thinking of not going to a 7.1 system after my upgrade until I move out to a bigger place.

I'm only going to upgrade the fronts first and then slowly upgrade the surrounds. I had my eyes set on the Studio 100’s. I went to my local dealer and tested them out and really liked the way it sounded. The salesman wasn’t pushy, but suggested that I don’t go with big floorstanding speakers for a small room. He showed me a pair of S1’s with a seismic 110 subwoofer and it sounded really good as well and he said that it would probably be a better set up for a smaller room. What do you guys think? I plan to eventually move out in a few years, so is it better to get the 100’s first even with the small room, or go with a couple of nice bookshelf speakers along with a nice subwoofer? I’m leaning towards getting the Studio 100’s mainly because of how much the prices have been going up lately. If I wait, I might have to fork out more money down the road. I’m just worried that the Studio 100’s might be too overkill for a small room and end up not even sounding good.

What about getting a Studio 20 with the Seismic 110? Could the Studio 20’s be used as surround speakers later on when I move out? With regards to the center channel, I haven’t decided on how to approach that yet, but I know that I’ll have to test a few and pick one when I’m ready to purchase. Right now I’m more concerned about getting a good setup for 2ch music.
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Originally Posted by almo89 View Post

Thanks for you advice! I actually tested the 60s and 100s, but both without subwoofers. The 60s didn't blow me away, but the 100s really did. The 60s probably sound a lot better with a nice sub. I'll need to test them out again when the time comes.

I would recommend an internet direct sub like SVS, HSU or Rythmik. You can get a whole lot more sub for the same money as a Paradigm sub. A lot of people suggest the S2 with sub verses the 100 because the Signature line uses the beryllium tweeter. I was wondering what you thought of the sound difference between the S1 and the studio 100s.
post #26601 of 30095
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Originally Posted by ginovino View Post

I would listen to HSU or Emotiva subs...... very good value.... Paradigm subs have too mush of a dealer margin... thus they are NOT a good value.rolleyes.gif
It's sad how people make assumptions based on profit margins and thus assume "value". When Henry Ford invented the production line, he lowered the cost of production and made himself a billionaire - he did that with hefty margins. If Paradigm creates a speaker (or any other company for that matter) and the dealer markup is 500%, but it still sounds better than a speaker with 10% markup which costs 5x as much money, who cares? Why would anyone look at dealer markup to determine value? The guy down the street from me bought a Yugo at nearly cost, would you say he got great value?
post #26602 of 30095
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Originally Posted by ginovino View Post

As a former dealer, the Studios are great to look at, but the resale SUCKS..... i SUGGEST YOU LISTEN TO ANOTHER GREAT CANADIAN SPEAKER - PSB.
When buying a speaker, the buyer is attempting to get a great sounding speaker, yet you suggest that resale is important.confused.gif
post #26603 of 30095
without getting into a spitting contest..... While NOT at the time of the excitement of the purchase, resale does play a part for future plans and improvements

Is it the "be all and end all"....Of course not. My reference had to do with the general history, satisfaction and good press the specific model or even the brand plays in a assuring a quality purchase.

I have been a dedicated Thiel speaker owner since the introduction of their model "03a back in 1981... and while it required the use of their equalizer, it sounded significantly better than anything in the price point...... I sold them to friends who owned them until I bought the CS-3.5's another unit that used an equalizer.

I had those f or years (1986 -1992) and sold them to friends. I then moved up to the CS-3.6, which served me until 2007, when I took home the Demo pair of CS-3.7's from our showroom. The CS-5's and others never sold well, nor was there a good resale market for them. But, I do have a line-up of buyers for my CS-3.7's when I either die or sell them!

Thus resale ( for a line of products which have proven themselves over time bodes well)wink.gif
post #26604 of 30095
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Originally Posted by ginovino View Post

I would listen to HSU or Emotiva subs...... very good value.... Paradigm subs have too mush of a dealer margin... thus they are NOT a good value.rolleyes.gif


This myth has been busted elsewhere, but I'll repeat...

It is a fallacy to assume that because a product is sold directly to the customer it is certain to be a better deal. Yes, customer-direct avoids the added cost of dealer markup. ..But people who believe this myth are not taking into account the all-important economies of scale advantage that accrue to larger companies. ..And this advantage has significant implications not only in the cost of parts, but also in the ability to commit resources to R&D.

As for you point about PSB having better resale value, what are you basing this on? Some industry 'blue-book" that dealers use? ..Audiogon?? What? ..Looking at Audiogon I don't see any huge differences in resale b/w the two brands. ..And I'm a fan of both. I owned PSB Stratus Minis for years, and now own Paradigm Signature S8 v2's.
Edited by syd123 - 2/8/13 at 12:05pm
post #26605 of 30095
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Originally Posted by SimpleTheater View Post

It's sad how people make assumptions based on profit margins and thus assume "value". When Henry Ford invented the production line, he lowered the cost of production and made himself a billionaire - he did that with hefty margins. If Paradigm creates a speaker (or any other company for that matter) and the dealer markup is 500%, but it still sounds better than a speaker with 10% markup which costs 5x as much money, who cares? Why would anyone look at dealer markup to determine value? The guy down the street from me bought a Yugo at nearly cost, would you say he got great value?

Those upstate New Yorkers are pretty smart! wink.gif
post #26606 of 30095
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Originally Posted by ginovino View Post

As a former dealer, the Studios are great to look at, but the resale SUCKS..... i SUGGEST YOU LISTEN TO ANOTHER GREAT CANADIAN SPEAKER - PSB.

Paradigm Studio resale Sucks???

On agon. there are two pairs of Paradigm Studio v.3's; both are used, both listed as 8/10 condition. One pair is listed at $1395, the other at $1800. If the sellers get their prices these USED speakers will have retained 60% and 78% of their new price of $2300.

By comparison, there is a brand new-in-box pair of PSB T6 Platinums with an asking price $2499, which is just 50% of their new price of $4999. These are brand new!!! ..Never opened boxes!!!

Granted, this assumes all sellers get their asking price and that this is just a single example, but how does this square with your view that Paradigm Studio speakers don't hold their value as well as PSB??
Edited by syd123 - 2/8/13 at 12:33pm
post #26607 of 30095
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post





anybody out there know exactly when the studio 100 and 60s production was stopped in china and brought back to Canada..sale rep said 9 months ago, i want to buy Canadian or American.. ideally


paradigm bringing back production to Canada is a really cool thing hopefully everyone else could would do that..

or back to the USA too..

cheers..

As far as I am aware of only the Monitor Series 7 were produced
In China. I believe that the STUDIO series have always been produced
In CANADA! I heard that Paradigm was going to move production
Of the monitor series back to CANADA....possibly due to QC issues.

the Studio 60's are fine speakers,glad you got to listen to them.
post #26608 of 30095
The subject has been worn out.....it's like asking which performance version of Chopin's Polonaise you prefer, Richter or Cliburn.... Askanayz or Rubenstein ? The subject is closed for me....

Nice dialogue...wink.gif
post #26609 of 30095
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Originally Posted by grasshoppers View Post

As far as I am aware of only the Monitor Series 7 were produced
In China. I believe that the STUDIO series have always been produced
In CANADA! I heard that Paradigm was going to move production
Of the monitor series back to CANADA....possibly due to QC issues.

the Studio 60's are fine speakers,glad you got to listen to them.

You are correct. Only the Monitor Series 7 were made in China.
post #26610 of 30095
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Originally Posted by grasshoppers View Post

As far as I am aware of only the Monitor Series 7 were produced
In China. I believe that the STUDIO series have always been produced
In CANADA! I heard that Paradigm was going to move production
Of the monitor series back to CANADA....possibly due to QC issues.

the Studio 60's are fine speakers,glad you got to listen to them.

I can definitely attest to the fact that the Chinese made Monitor Series 7 ARE plagued with issues. Two shipments, Check these out:

Paradigm 4.jpg 243k .jpg file
Paradigm 15.jpg 229k .jpg file
Paradigm 11.jpg 249k .jpg file
paradimg center channel flaw.jpg 247k .jpg file
Paradigm surround flaw 1 (second replacement).jpg 465k .jpg file
Paradigm surround flaw 2 (second replacement).jpg 277k .jpg file
Paradigm tower flaw (second replacement).jpg 276k .jpg file

Horrible customer service, and terribly run company all of the way from the top. I contacted the CEO, President, etc... They all could care a less. They did take the gear back and issue a full refund though. But the entire organization is terribly run. None of the upper management wanted to deal with the issue, and kept delegating it to staff down the food chain, which had even worse values and business ethics.
Edited by addictaudio - 2/8/13 at 2:31pm
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