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post #26761 of 28080
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

wow that sure is a cheap price for the adp 590... i went to the audio store this evening wow could not believe the price he quoted me 1650 a pair..

ouch..

might as well get 5 studio 60s.. 1100 each..

i wonder if where you got that quote from is an authorized dealer?

cheers

Saw it here. Just searched adp 590 price.

http://www.newaudiovideo.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=35_30_427&products_id=9298
post #26762 of 28080
Hmmm...
- Their regular price is $200 less than what authorized Paradigm dealers are showing.
- Paradigm doesn't list them as an authorized dealer.
- They have no information on many of their pages, including "Authentic [sic] Dealer", "About Us", "Online Security", etc.

But at least they do "accept all major creadit carts". rolleyes.gif

I'd pass on this place...
post #26763 of 28080
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Originally Posted by bowmah View Post

When I was setting up my system, this was just a few years ago, I found a document on the Dolby website about a possible suggested rear placement. It recommended 5-6 ft off the ground if you had monopoles. I have tried this in a "short" room and it works well. When you cannot go back far enough and if the rears are only 3 ft off the ground, the person on the other side of the rear channel that is firing can barely notice it (due to the couch height). Of course, when you go the Dolby site today and click on 5.1, it suggest ear height in the rears.

I would try it 5 ft off the ground, angle them inwards. For monopoles, this should give good results. If your room is short, there is nothing you can do. Either you have it 3 ft off the ground, but I would suggest 5-6f...

All great information on proper speaker placement. I think the best advice I can share with my experience with these dipole speakers is that even if you have constraints in your room - i.e. speaker postioning, low ceilings and not a lot of clearance - the Paradigm ADP 590's can still provide for a wonderful listening envronment. My previous monopole side surrounds were a little bit lower - - maybe more optimal as far as recommended height goes - - but due to the proximity of my listening position to my side surrounds, monopole placement made them really stand out - - very noticeable on special effects and discrete sounds.

The ADP 590 dipoles - even placed higher than optimal height due to my low ceiling "man cave" restrictions - - still provide a better listening envrionment with a more diffuse, wider soundstage that fills the room with rich sound that is fully integrated with my other matching Paradigm speakers. I believe the combination of dipole as side surrounds in combination with monopole direct back surrounds provide for the optimal 7.1 setup. Are they the most optimal setup, speaker configuration wise (height/distance/room) that you can get? No, but they are the best that I can get for my Home Theater setup and I would encourage anyone else with a smaller room configuration like mine to see if they improve their listening experience. After all, that's what it's all about!
post #26764 of 28080
What are the pros and cons of authorized and nonauthorized dealers?
post #26765 of 28080
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What are the pros and cons of authorized and nonauthorized dealers?
Warranty. Paradigm does not honour warranty on products purchased through non-authorized (or even non-authentic) dealers.

Warranties are also non-transferrable, so if you buy gently-used that has some warranty left on it, you don't get to take advantage of it.
post #26766 of 28080
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

Warranty. Paradigm does not honour warranty on products purchased through non-authorized (or even non-authentic) dealers.

Warranties are also non-transferrable, so if you buy gently-used that has some warranty left on it, you don't get to take advantage of it.
What is the warranty on paradigm studios?
post #26767 of 28080
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What is the warranty on paradigm studios?
According to Paradigm.com/Warranty:
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Bookshelf, floor standing and in wall speakers is five (5) years
Powered Subwoofers is three (3) years
post #26768 of 28080
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

According to Paradigm.com/Warranty:
Thanks, guess I could've looked that up myself...but you did such a good job smile.gif
post #26769 of 28080
Call me crazy but I think that 10k for a sub should have a longer warranty. Maybe 5-10 years.
post #26770 of 28080
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

Hmmm...
- Their regular price is $200 less than what authorized Paradigm dealers are showing.
- Paradigm doesn't list them as an authorized dealer.
- They have no information on many of their pages, including "Authentic [sic] Dealer", "About Us", "Online Security", etc.

But at least they do "accept all major creadit carts". rolleyes.gif

I'd pass on this place...

maybe its B stock..

Americans sure can get great prices on things...

cheers..
post #26771 of 28080
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Originally Posted by coresare View Post

Saw it here. Just searched adp 590 price.

http://www.newaudiovideo.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=35_30_427&products_id=9298

Most likely they are a liquidator, much like "Best Audio," here in the states, who buy stock from Paradigm Dealers who are going out of business or who, for some reason (cash flow?) sell their stock to them. They are not authorized nor is any Paradigm warranty provided. Many times, they will provide warranty via a third party company.

For grins, I checked with Best Audio to see if they had any ADP 590's in stock, for sale. They did not and it didn't sound like they would have any soon. I do not think they acquire very many ADP 590's, period. They probably deal with less popular or in demand product. I've purchased everything Paradigm through authorized dealers. Some dealers will work with you more on price than others --if you're lucky enough to have more than one dealer in town.
post #26772 of 28080
I didn't buy my Studio 100's from that website I listed..got them from a brick and mortar shop..paid taxes too hah.
post #26773 of 28080
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

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Originally Posted by coresare View Post

Saw it here. Just searched adp 590 price.

http://www.newaudiovideo.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=35_30_427&products_id=9298

Most likely they are a liquidator, much like "Best Audio," here in the states, who buy stock from Paradigm Dealers who are going out of business or who, for some reason (cash flow?) sell their stock to them. They are not authorized nor is any Paradigm warranty provided. Many times, they will provide warranty via a third party company.

For grins, I checked with Best Audio to see if they had any ADP 590's in stock, for sale. They did not and it didn't sound like they would have any soon. I do not think they acquire very many ADP 590's, period. They probably deal with less popular or in demand product. I've purchased everything Paradigm through authorized dealers. Some dealers will work with you more on price than others --if you're lucky enough to have more than one dealer in town.

well i did some calculating my dealer 825 x 2 1650 versu 640 x 2 1280.. 380 difference but have to go 4 or 5% on currencie exchange 6.5 % duty and shipping 88.00 usd plus brokerage at customers unknow rate could be 30 bucks.. i could save about 100 dollars with a bit of luck..

not worth it to me.. what if they dont work.. have to pay the shipping back.. and no warranty..

cheers
post #26774 of 28080
any Canadians out there in Ontario know a dealer that will discount a bit?

cheers..
post #26775 of 28080
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

any Canadians out there in Ontario know a dealer that will discount a bit?

cheers..

Most will discount.. you just have to play the game.

I recently sent out an email to 5 local dealers - here is what I am looking for, im shopping around, whats the best deal, etc. 3 responded that they couldnt discount over the phone / email and to come in. 2 offered good discounts - 15-20%. I spoke to one of those dealers, and he upped the discount to 25%. I than called the other dealer, and said I had a quote of 30% off retail, and would he match if I came in to his store, and he said yes.

So, shopping around does make sense....
post #26776 of 28080
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Originally Posted by richardfh View Post

Most will discount.. you just have to play the game.

I recently sent out an email to 5 local dealers - here is what I am looking for, im shopping around, whats the best deal, etc. 3 responded that they couldnt discount over the phone / email and to come in. 2 offered good discounts - 15-20%. I spoke to one of those dealers, and he upped the discount to 25%. I than called the other dealer, and said I had a quote of 30% off retail, and would he match if I came in to his store, and he said yes.

So, shopping around does make sense....

Great advice - - you can get what you want at the price you want (mostly!) if you shop around. Plus - - having the warranty is "piece of mind" in case anything goes wrong.

My warranty has run out on my vintage Paradigm Studio 60's v.2 - - and the store I bought them from is out of business. But they perform wonderfully - - and I expect them to be fabulous speakers for a long time. That's the true benefit of buying authorized, Paradigm quality speakers. Even in the used market - - if you buy from someone who is reputable - - and most of these folks are - - and you can pick them up locally (shipping can be a different proposition) - - and you'll enjoy your speakers for many years.
post #26777 of 28080
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

AFAIK, PSB has a very solid reputation. Image T5s were among the speakers I demo'd a couple of years ago for my family-room, two-channel set-up: They were nice-looking, good-sounding and reasonably-priced. Which PSBs do you have?

PSB alpha Bookshelves all around and PSB image C60 for the center. Someone was selling it for 60 dollars, couldn't say no. Obviously there is difference in the sound but since most of the stuff I watch is fairly dialogue heavy I'm not too worried about it. How did you like the Image T5 compared to your Studios? I am guessing the Studio's sound better given the higher price point.
post #26778 of 28080
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Originally Posted by richardfh View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

any Canadians out there in Ontario know a dealer that will discount a bit?

cheers..

Most will discount.. you just have to play the game.

I recently sent out an email to 5 local dealers - here is what I am looking for, im shopping around, whats the best deal, etc. 3 responded that they couldnt discount over the phone / email and to come in. 2 offered good discounts - 15-20%. I spoke to one of those dealers, and he upped the discount to 25%. I than called the other dealer, and said I had a quote of 30% off retail, and would he match if I came in to his store, and he said yes.

So, shopping around does make sense....

thats some big discounts.. what where you shopping? what dealers? where you located?

cheers
post #26779 of 28080
Just picked up a cc-590 v5 to match my studio 60s.

This thing is an absolute beast. I cant imagine what the 690 must look like.

That said, sounds great. Huge improvement on what I had.
I am glad to have it.
post #26780 of 28080
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Originally Posted by Purpose View Post

Just picked up a cc-590 v5 to match my studio 60s.

This thing is an absolute beast. I cant imagine what the 690 must look like.

That said, sounds great. Huge improvement on what I had.
I am glad to have it.

glade to hear your enjoying your new centre and setup!

cheers..
post #26781 of 28080
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Originally Posted by Purpose View Post

Just picked up a cc-590 v5 to match my studio 60s.

This thing is an absolute beast. I cant imagine what the 690 must look like.

That said, sounds great. Huge improvement on what I had.
I am glad to have it.

Enjoy! I was lucky that my neighbor was available to help me carry my cc690 down to the man cave. I do not know what center channel you had before but you should notice a big difference in the dialogue and depth & imaging in movies with the 590. I also have a pair of Studio 60's (v.2 - older, I'm sure than yours) - and the center channel matches perfectly in timbre and tonal quality.
post #26782 of 28080
Sorry I know this has been discussed before, but I was searching youtube last night on the Studio 100's and the reviewer compared some Studio 100's and B&W CM9's. He said the Studio 100's were more fatiguing to listen to than the CM9's which he could listen to for hours. My Studio 100's have yet to be delivered (argh, rep said they are backordered until tomorrow) and it has me worried a tiny. I listened to the CM8's in the showroom and also the Studio 100's. I thought the CM8's were definitely brighter, BUT the CM8's were in a different room which was their crappy room that definitely did not do highs any favors.
post #26783 of 28080
Don't let one reviewer's subjective opinion worry you. His room isn't your room and his ears aren't your ears. smile.gif
post #26784 of 28080
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Enjoy! I was lucky that my neighbor was available to help me carry my cc690 down to the man cave. I do not know what center channel you had before but you should notice a big difference in the dialogue and depth & imaging in movies with the 590. I also have a pair of Studio 60's (v.2 - older, I'm sure than yours) - and the center channel matches perfectly in timbre and tonal quality.

Oh yeah, it is night and day. I had a klipsch wc-24 prior and was trying to hold on after upgrading to the studio 60s. Movies made that impossible as the dialogue was getting swallowed (even after cranking the center as high as it would go with the avr).

40 pounds! It better have been a big difference. biggrin.gif

Thanks
post #26785 of 28080
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Originally Posted by RyanA3 View Post

Gents, good afternoon!

Paradigm studio 10 v5

good for a 2 channel - music only room?
great for near-field use?
peachtree nova 125(x2)
probably NOT going use a sub

Sources: I listen to mostly vinyl.
Music: Indie rock the most. Some classic rock. Electronic. Jazz.
Room: This setup is for a room that is 14x12 and carpeted.

short list:
B&W CDM-1NT
B&W 685, (may be too big though)
Paradigm studio 10 v5

thx, cheers

If I don't go with Paradigm towers, these are on my short list:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1455515/emotiva-pro-stealth-8-400w-bi-amped-reference-monitor-with-airmotiv-tweeter
post #26786 of 28080
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Originally Posted by Purpose View Post

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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Enjoy! I was lucky that my neighbor was available to help me carry my cc690 down to the man cave. I do not know what center channel you had before but you should notice a big difference in the dialogue and depth & imaging in movies with the 590. I also have a pair of Studio 60's (v.2 - older, I'm sure than yours) - and the center channel matches perfectly in timbre and tonal quality.

Oh yeah, it is night and day. I had a klipsch wc-24 prior and was trying to hold on after upgrading to the studio 60s. Movies made that impossible as the dialogue was getting swallowed (even after cranking the center as high as it would go with the avr).

40 pounds! It better have been a big difference. biggrin.gif

Thanks

are you using the studio 60 v5? i might end up going with 60s and 590 centre.. thats what the wallet wants.. but me i want more ...

do you have a sub if so what are you using?

cheers..
post #26787 of 28080
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

are you using the studio 60 v5? i might end up going with 60s and 590 centre.. thats what the wallet wants.. but me i want more ...

do you have a sub if so what are you using?

cheers..

With either the 60's or 100's... go with the 690. You won't regret it. The center is still the most important speaker. I have the 690 and heard the 590 with both. Though, I did end up with the 100 towers.
post #26788 of 28080
Looking for input on speakers. I am in the process of separating my original audio/HT system. I recently purchased an Anthem MRX-500, powered with an Outlaw 7500 (5X200W) amp. I was using my original speakers with this setup. The speakers are Apogee Centaur Minors (hybrid ribbon); I've had them for 25 years, i.e., originally for a 2 channel music system. They are fantastic speakers for music, quite serviceable for HT. They throw a huge soundstage with any music source. But now I am going to use them in my dedicated music system. I am demoing some Studio 60's with a cc 590 center. I am using a Martin Logan dynamo sub and Phase Technology dipole rears. The Paradigm's are much better for HT (greater detail, imaging, and clarity) then what I was using before. Musically, they work nicely.

Anyways, I can demo Studio 100's and Studio 20's also, and probably will at a future time, but was looking for any input on others who may have tried all three of these Paradigm speakers. The dealer also carries Usher Audio-may give their bookshelf X-718 a try also.

By the way, the room is carpeted; it's 12 X 16 X 8...mini blinds, sofa, pictures, not any room problems that I see. I ran ARC, so everything is EQ'ed.

Any input would be appreciated. As it stands, I like what these Studio 60's are doing...but as always, with this hobby, I want that last bit of improvement...but also don't want to break the bank.....

Thanks-
post #26789 of 28080
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

are you using the studio 60 v5? i might end up going with 60s and 590 centre.. thats what the wallet wants.. but me i want more ...

do you have a sub if so what are you using?

cheers..

With either the 60's or 100's... go with the 690. You won't regret it. The center is still the most important speaker. I have the 690 and heard the 590 with both. Though, I did end up with the 100 towers.

thanks for the input Dan..

the sales rep said the 690 with the 60s is over kill.. not sure what that meant.. guess you need to hear em..

cheers.
post #26790 of 28080
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the sales rep said the 690 with the 60s is over kill..
Overkill? Not a chance!
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