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post #26791 of 30073
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

thanks for the pic looking good Purpose..

just looking at the pic why not move the set up a foot to the left and get the right speaker a bit farther off the right wall... also you have a lot of space between the tv and the centre speaker
try turning the centre speaker vertically.. it will sound even better....

cheers..

Thx

Space btw tv and center - looks larger than it is in person on the couch. Actually only about 5 inches. Was necessary because the stand isn't necessarily a permanent piece of furniture.

As far as moving it to the left - cant happen. Would throw off the rest of the room. Open loft style space and this was the best fit. Necessary sacrifice. Same with the upright center.
post #26792 of 30073
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

find a store that sells both and ask the sales rep to set up a room for side by side comparisons..

cheers..
Thanks for the obvious. The problem is there's only one kef dealer in Atlanta and he doesn't sell paradigms. This is why I was asking for input.
post #26793 of 30073
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

thanks for the fine review of your system Rico .. not a rookie sales rep either that said that, worked at the high end audio store 13 yrs.. this store has great hours 10 - 6 tue to sat open late friday 8pm..
thats if you work there sucks for the consumer.. but most hi end audio stores i know work like this..

do you have an amp on your system Rico?

Thanks - o.k. - maybe not a rookie rep. But I do not understand the absolute positioning of speakers relative to the center channel. As I mentioned before - - many, many moons ago I went with the recommended Paradigm center channel for my Studio 60's v.2. The speaker was absolute crap. The dialogue sounded like someone farting through a tin can. In fact, you could say that Paradigm really didn't get the center speaker right until the 490, 590 and beastly 690. And due to the evolution of movie soundtracks --the center channel has become the most important speaker in a "movie centric" home theater setup. I'll match the CC690 against any center channel out on the market. I did as much research as I could before pulling the trigger on my CC690.

I do not have "separates" - - for my setup. I do have a Pioneer AVR SC65 (130 wpc) - with my front left and front right Studio 60's (v.2) bi-amped. While not the same as a truly dedicated, separate amp for each speaker - - it's as close as you can get with an AVR. It's a dedicated setup you have to invoke in the menu. The Pioneer SC65 is a 9.2 channel receiver - - which I configured as a 7.1 system by bi-amping the fronts and using Paradigm's ADP 590's as my side surrounds. I have a Velodyne VLF-810 as my sub and Mod2 Orb speakers as my back, direct firing, surrounds.

I may be bias but I really love the CC690 and believe it matches wonderfully with my Studio 60's. It's funny - - I can get real close to the speakers from left to center to right and hear discrete sounds. Yet, when I'm back in my listening position - - 10 or 11 feet back - - it's all one, uniform soundstage. If this is overkill - - I'm all for it.
post #26794 of 30073
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Originally Posted by Purpose View Post


As far as moving it to the left - cant happen. Would throw off the rest of the room. Open loft style space and this was the best fit. Necessary sacrifice. .

Just from the picture, the left side has dead space from Left speaker to the bookcase. Move left speaker and tv more to teh left, leave right speaker where it is. Get even wider sound effects in movies? smile.gif

Your right speaker is angled in anyways, no need to move it farther from right wall. Enjoy! lol never ends, the tweaking
post #26795 of 30073
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

thanks for the fine review of your system Rico .. not a rookie sales rep either that said that, worked at the high end audio store 13 yrs.. this store has great hours 10 - 6 tue to sat open late friday 8pm..
thats if you work there sucks for the consumer.. but most hi end audio stores i know work like this..

do you have an amp on your system Rico?

Thanks - o.k. - maybe not a rookie rep. But I do not understand the absolute positioning of speakers relative to the center channel. As I mentioned before - - many, many moons ago I went with the recommended Paradigm center channel for my Studio 60's v.2. The speaker was absolute crap. The dialogue sounded like someone farting through a tin can. In fact, you could say that Paradigm really didn't get the center speaker right until the 490, 590 and beastly 690. And due to the evolution of movie soundtracks --the center channel has become the most important speaker in a "movie centric" home theater setup. I'll match the CC690 against any center channel out on the market. I did as much research as I could before pulling the trigger on my CC690.

I do not have "separates" - - for my setup. I do have a Pioneer AVR SC65 (130 wpc) - with my front left and front right Studio 60's (v.2) bi-amped. While not the same as a truly dedicated, separate amp for each speaker - - it's as close as you can get with an AVR. It's a dedicated setup you have to invoke in the menu. The Pioneer SC65 is a 9.2 channel receiver - - which I configured as a 7.1 system by bi-amping the fronts and using Paradigm's ADP 590's as my side surrounds. I have a Velodyne VLF-810 as my sub and Mod2 Orb speakers as my back, direct firing, surrounds.

I may be bias but I really love the CC690 and believe it matches wonderfully with my Studio 60's. It's funny - - I can get real close to the speakers from left to center to right and hear discrete sounds. Yet, when I'm back in my listening position - - 10 or 11 feet back - - it's all one, uniform soundstage. If this is overkill - - I'm all for it.

im really glade your loving the cc690 you sold me..

someone a few post back recommend i email a few dealers I did 7 within 120 kms... whats the best best today best price gets the sale..

wow one guy blew em away.. nice biggrin.gif im going 100 690 590 to start should make my order tomorrow i think.. just need to work out a few details with the deal.. 90 km away..

wow is it too much for my future room 12.5 x 19.5 x 7.0 ft.. still building saving a bit of cash 7.2 will wait i have an older sub for now.. ..

think i will go 65 inch plasma in there too.. projectors seem nice but a head ache..

hey Rico ive had this drilled into me a few times here.. and have tried myself bi amping your avr doesnt do much. when i did my denon i lost power.. no sound improvement..

emotiva has a xpa 3 on sale till mar 1 im putting in an order.. maybe in the summer go for xpa 2 .. in the paradigm manual they recommend over amp power for better sound..!
but dont turn it up to load ... over power is better then under power .. dont turn it up if under powered too eh!

thanks for helping me decide..

cheers
post #26796 of 30073
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Originally Posted by Purpose View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

thanks for the pic looking good Purpose..

just looking at the pic why not move the set up a foot to the left and get the right speaker a bit farther off the right wall... also you have a lot of space between the tv and the centre speaker
try turning the centre speaker vertically.. it will sound even better....

cheers..

Thx

Space btw tv and center - looks larger than it is in person on the couch. Actually only about 5 inches. Was necessary because the stand isn't necessarily a permanent piece of furniture.

As far as moving it to the left - cant happen. Would throw off the rest of the room. Open loft style space and this was the best fit. Necessary sacrifice. Same with the upright center.

im glade your enjoying your system.. it looks great.. im the paradigm manual they do recomend the speaker be off the side and back walls tho.. just a few inches to left would be a benefit
as for centre not verticle that ok but if u could raise up 5 inches build a little stand under it.. make a differences too.. just a thought sometimes these things cant be done..
my room now in my living room is pretty messed up LOL.. i have the the speak in the main walk way.. to get them off the wall.. to me sound comes frist..

cheers..
post #26797 of 30073
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Originally Posted by richardfh View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

any Canadians out there in Ontario know a dealer that will discount a bit?

cheers..

Most will discount.. you just have to play the game.

I recently sent out an email to 5 local dealers - here is what I am looking for, im shopping around, whats the best deal, etc. 3 responded that they couldnt discount over the phone / email and to come in. 2 offered good discounts - 15-20%. I spoke to one of those dealers, and he upped the discount to 25%. I than called the other dealer, and said I had a quote of 30% off retail, and would he match if I came in to his store, and he said yes.

So, shopping around does make sense....

Wow man great advice it worked what a deal i got in an email.. i thought only in america.. can things like this be true eh..

cheers
post #26798 of 30073
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

Wow man great advice it worked what a deal i got in an email.. i thought only in america.. can things like this be true eh..

cheers

Thats great. Its a win win... you get a great deal, and the dealer gets to make some money from a customer that he normally wouldnt deal with.

Enjoy your speakers!!!
post #26799 of 30073
Does anyone know of a good place to audition the Paradigm MilleniaOne's in New York city, or the surrounding areas?

Thanks
Dan
post #26800 of 30073
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

im really glade your loving the cc690 you sold me..

someone a few post back recommend i email a few dealers I did 7 within 120 kms... whats the best best today best price gets the sale..

wow one guy blew em away.. nice biggrin.gif im going 100 690 590 to start should make my order tomorrow i think.. just need to work out a few details with the deal.. 90 km away..

wow is it too much for my future room 12.5 x 19.5 x 7.0 ft.. still building saving a bit of cash 7.2 will wait i have an older sub for now.. ..

think i will go 65 inch plasma in there too.. projectors seem nice but a head ache..

hey Rico ive had this drilled into me a few times here.. and have tried myself bi amping your avr doesnt do much. when i did my denon i lost power.. no sound improvement..

emotiva has a xpa 3 on sale till mar 1 im putting in an order.. maybe in the summer go for xpa 2 .. in the paradigm manual they recommend over amp power for better sound..!
but dont turn it up to load ... over power is better then under power .. dont turn it up if under powered too eh!

thanks for helping me decide..

cheers

Glad it worked for you! Lots of great advice on how to negotiate with Paradigm dealers on this site. I know that most of us do not like to play the haggle game (kind of like Tijuana, when it was safe. "That's one hundred dollars for that leather jacket! Ah, I was thinking of $50.00!)

Often in life, it's not that people ask for too much. It's that they settle for too little. You can get the Paradigm speakers you want at the right price - - and from an authorized dealer - - which is the best way to go.

Re: the beastly CC690. Even in my smaller man cave (ceiling 89" high!) the CC690 is fabulous - - and especially at lower settings at night (ALC - Pioneer SC65 "nighttime" listening without as much subwoofer) - - it is very pristine. Definitely not overkill - - and it's so nice not having to strain to hear the dialogue. Music sounds great out of the CC690, as well. Perfectly matched with Studio 60's and on up, IMHO.

Lastly - - lots of folks have different opinions/experiences on "bi-amping." For me - - it's made a big difference in clarity and power - - especially at lower listening levels. Separates are probably the best way you can go - - be all, end all of home theater. But with the Pioneer SC65 - 9.2 receiver (Class D3 Amplification - runs cool!) - it pushes out 130 watts per channel and for my smaller man cave, that works fine. Plus - - the Pioneer bi-amping solution - - a specific setup in the menu using the FH terminal connects - - really pushes clean power - - again, especially at lower listening volumes with my 7.1 setup. I think the combination of the new D3 amp and the specific setting for "bi-amping" is different than trying to accomplish that with other receivers.

Let us know how everything sounds once you receive everything!
post #26801 of 30073
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Originally Posted by dftkell View Post

Does anyone know of a good place to audition the Paradigm MilleniaOne's in New York city, or the surrounding areas?

Thanks
Dan

I would call audio breakthroughs in manhasset. They have a fair amount of paradigm stuff for demo. Not sure if they have the MilleniaOne's, but worth the call.
post #26802 of 30073
How does the Millenia 200 sound anyways? It looks pretty slick being all slim and all..
post #26803 of 30073
I'm moving into a new house in just over a month and am ready to purchase my surrounds. Someone had noted a few months ago that Paradigm was coming out with a bi-polar replacement for the Studio ADP-590's in early 2013. I don't see it on Paradigm's website... and am wondering if it's still coming. Also, I would appreciate advice if I end up choosing between the ADP-590's and the Monitor 3's. Thanks!
post #26804 of 30073
No replies 100's of posts earlier. Doesn't matter. Took a chance and picked up a set of the Cinema series. 2xcinema 200, a single 400 and a pair of 100 for the rears. Reused my old mirage mm-8 sub.

Sounds very cohesive. Using the 400 as a center definitely gives a little more weight in the dialogue.

A good value package. Going to hook my multichannel amp (parasound hva 855) soon over using the receiver's power (Nad t758) to see if they open up more.
post #26805 of 30073
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Originally Posted by dftkell View Post

Does anyone know of a good place to audition the Paradigm MilleniaOne's in New York city, or the surrounding areas?

Thanks
Dan

J&v audio on 45th bet 5th and 6th has them on display.
post #26806 of 30073
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Originally Posted by poopiehead View Post

No replies 100's of posts earlier. Doesn't matter. Took a chance and picked up a set of the Cinema series. 2xcinema 200, a single 400 and a pair of 100 for the rears. Reused my old mirage mm-8 sub.

Sounds very cohesive. Using the 400 as a center definitely gives a little more weight in the dialogue.

A good value package. Going to hook my multichannel amp (parasound hva 855) soon over using the receiver's power (Nad t758) to see if they open up more.

thats a nice tight sound field around the tv the voice must be excellently match to the picture..

nice equipment too eh..
post #26807 of 30073
Impulsed bought An expensive mount made by Chief instead of wait for monoprice. It dOes allow me to adjust the speakers easier than mounting directly to the wall. They are attached to the TV mount and it adjust closer or further from the TV.

The sound definitely comes off the screen.

Corrections. Receiver is a nad t748 and the amp I want to use is the parasound hca855. Currently the amp is used to bi-amp my 2 channel set up. I will move it back to the HT when I find the perfect 2ch amp.
post #26808 of 30073
Proud owner of a pair of Studio 100 v5. Can anyone tell me if the midranges have dust caps or phase plugs. Just curious.
post #26809 of 30073
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Originally Posted by Bickev View Post

Proud owner of a pair of Studio 100 v5. Can anyone tell me if the midranges have dust caps or phase plugs. Just curious.

Lucky bastard! =) I ordered mine 2 weeks ago. Was originally told I would receive it after 1 week. That week came up and the shop was like .. whoops what they shipped was an Anthem remote control..your speakers are on backorder. They should be here next week.

So I should receive mine this coming Friday. Cant wait! Did your shop have them in stock, if not what was your wait time?
post #26810 of 30073
They had a demo pair but I wanted new. The dealer ordered them on Saturday and they were here on the following Friday. Not bad.
post #26811 of 30073
Currently have Onkyo SR605 powering Paradigm studio 60/ 590 v5.

Sounds great, but dialogue a little low sometimes. I have a harsh room (full glass wall behind seating area, wood floors, glass coffee table) and none of this is going to change. It is not a dedicated HT room, so I am not willing to completely change the decor. Wondering if upgrading receiver to something with much better Audyssey will provide noticeable improvement. looking at Onkyo NR709, which has MutliEQ XT. the SR605 only has 2Q.

As an aside the NR709 also has preouts, which I am also interested in for future use.

thanks
B
post #26812 of 30073
If you haven't done so already, try bumping up the gain on the CC channel by a couple of dB. The fix may be as simple as that.

Failing that, moving to an AVR with MultEQ XT (which offers more and better filters for EQ-ing your system) and pre-outs (for expandability) is not a bad next step.

Especially since it sounds like you really want that 709... wink.gif
Edited by eljaycanuck - 2/28/13 at 10:10am
post #26813 of 30073
You might also consider stepping up to a model that has MultEQ XT 32, if you're going to upgrade for better Audyssey anyway, it's the best that's currently available. More $$$ though.
post #26814 of 30073
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

If you haven't done so already, try bumping up the gain on the CC channel by a couple of dB. The fix may be as simple as that.

Failing that, moving to an AVR with MultEQ XT (which offers more and better filters for EQ-ing your system) and pre-outs (for expandability) is not a bad next step.

Especially since it sounds like you really want that 709... wink.gif

Yeah, I bumped up the gain on the cc and it helped but still didnt completely solve the problem. I thought the new center would resolve it. While it has gone a long way in that direction (plus provided a slew of benefits I didnt expect, e.g., a much much fuller sound) the fact that it isnt perfect gnaws at me.

The 709 just seemed to be the best bargain out there that had the XT plus pre-outs and a decent wattage bump from the 605. Would prefer to stand pat, but that is likely not going to happen given that consensus is that going from 2Q to XT is a noticeable leap. Not to mention dynamic volume, which with a newborn would be nice.

Oh well. I should have known that the dominoes would start falling once I upgraded to the Studio 60s.
post #26815 of 30073
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Originally Posted by Bickev View Post

Proud owner of a pair of Studio 100 v5. Can anyone tell me if the midranges have dust caps or phase plugs. Just curious.
I don't know that much about the technical aspects of the drivers but I think I recall them having dust caps now. It is mentioned in this thread somewhere, quite a while ago. Might do a search for "phase plugs" or "dust caps".
post #26816 of 30073
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Originally Posted by Purpose View Post

Currently have Onkyo SR605 powering Paradigm studio 60/ 590 v5.

Sounds great, but dialogue a little low sometimes. I have a harsh room (full glass wall behind seating area, wood floors, glass coffee table) and none of this is going to change. It is not a dedicated HT room, so I am not willing to completely change the decor. Wondering if upgrading receiver to something with much better Audyssey will provide noticeable improvement. looking at Onkyo NR709, which has MutliEQ XT. the SR605 only has 2Q.

As an aside the NR709 also has preouts, which I am also interested in for future use.

thanks
B

try 2 q to 6 q dont think a big differences a few acoustic panels may help alot.. area rug.. etc.. sure a few db on the cc will help.. also try turning the cc speaker verticle..

how many watts is your avr?

paradigm recommends over amp your speakers power rating for better sound and some what safer operations..

they say sq improves with over amping.. emotiva xpa 3 would do alot i bet.. on sale till end of march 1 tomorrow..

cheers..
post #26817 of 30073
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Originally Posted by Bickev View Post

Proud owner of a pair of Studio 100 v5. Can anyone tell me if the midranges have dust caps or phase plugs. Just curious.

They are dust caps. Not even the Signatures have phase plugs anymore.... I think the older Studios(v.1-v.3) and Signatures(v.1, v.2) had them..
post #26818 of 30073
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Originally Posted by Purpose View Post

Yeah, I bumped up the gain on the cc and it helped but still didnt completely solve the problem. I thought the new center would resolve it. While it has gone a long way in that direction (plus provided a slew of benefits I didnt expect, e.g., a much much fuller sound) the fact that it isnt perfect gnaws at me.

The 709 just seemed to be the best bargain out there that had the XT plus pre-outs and a decent wattage bump from the 605. Would prefer to stand pat, but that is likely not going to happen given that consensus is that going from 2Q to XT is a noticeable leap. Not to mention dynamic volume, which with a newborn would be nice.

Oh well. I should have known that the dominoes would start falling once I upgraded to the Studio 60s.

There is a 4 month old mint Onkyo 818 on the Emotiva forums for sale for $680. That is the cheapest you'll find for XT32... Or you can add an XPA-3 as other have stated. I think Studios deserve a proper amp. Forget about receiver's wattage ratings, unless you can find a publication that has actually measured its real output with multiple channels driven. I'm pretty sure that, other than Pioneer's class-D receivers, a 80watt x 5 Emotiva UPA-500 will put out more sustained power with less distortion than a 100plus watt x 5 receiver.

FWIW, my Signature C3 center channel (the Signature version of the CC-590) also sounds muffled at times compared to my S4's, and it is being driven by a 200/350 watt into 8/4 ohm respectively amp. I think horizontal center channels will almost always sound noticeably worse than the normal vertical L+R speakers.
post #26819 of 30073
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Originally Posted by dannybenz View Post

FWIW, my Signature C3 center channel (the Signature version of the CC-590) also sounds muffled at times compared to my S4's, and it is being driven by a 200/350 watt into 8/4 ohm respectively amp. I think horizontal center channels will almost always sound noticeably worse than the normal vertical L+R speakers.

Whenever I think this it's always the source material. Try a show with great center channel dialog like the later seasons of House is one I think really sounded great out of the C3.
post #26820 of 30073
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post

Whenever I think this it's always the source material. Try a show with great center channel dialog like the later seasons of House is one I think really sounded great out of the C3.

Yeah, I completely agree but, conveniently forgot about that. Actually I was watching Netflix today and the C3 sounded muffled, so I popped in a bluray with a DTS-HDMA soundtrack and it sounded pretty good. But whenever my C3 sounds chesty or muffled, I automatically think "damn I NEED a C5" and/or "I need to replace my 3 UPA-1's with 3 XPR-1's" instead of "it's probably the source material". biggrin.gif

But, the thing about lossless soundtracks is that they can be way too dynamic. Not that it is a bad thing, but sometimes I catch myself turning down the volume during an action scene and then having to turn it back up when it resumes to quiet dialogue after the action is over.

One thing that really helped was tilting my center channel up, pointed right at my face.
Edited by dannybenz - 3/1/13 at 1:01am
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