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post #26821 of 28101
2/28/13 at 11:37am
You might also consider stepping up to a model that has MultEQ XT 32, if you're going to upgrade for better Audyssey anyway, it's the best that's currently available. More $$$ though.
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post #26822 of 28101
2/28/13 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

If you haven't done so already, try bumping up the gain on the CC channel by a couple of dB. The fix may be as simple as that.

Failing that, moving to an AVR with MultEQ XT (which offers more and better filters for EQ-ing your system) and pre-outs (for expandability) is not a bad next step.

Especially since it sounds like you really want that 709... wink.gif

Yeah, I bumped up the gain on the cc and it helped but still didnt completely solve the problem. I thought the new center would resolve it. While it has gone a long way in that direction (plus provided a slew of benefits I didnt expect, e.g., a much much fuller sound) the fact that it isnt perfect gnaws at me.

The 709 just seemed to be the best bargain out there that had the XT plus pre-outs and a decent wattage bump from the 605. Would prefer to stand pat, but that is likely not going to happen given that consensus is that going from 2Q to XT is a noticeable leap. Not to mention dynamic volume, which with a newborn would be nice.

Oh well. I should have known that the dominoes would start falling once I upgraded to the Studio 60s.
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post #26823 of 28101
2/28/13 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by Bickev View Post

Proud owner of a pair of Studio 100 v5. Can anyone tell me if the midranges have dust caps or phase plugs. Just curious.
I don't know that much about the technical aspects of the drivers but I think I recall them having dust caps now. It is mentioned in this thread somewhere, quite a while ago. Might do a search for "phase plugs" or "dust caps".
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post #26824 of 28101
2/28/13 at 9:39pm
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Originally Posted by Purpose View Post

Currently have Onkyo SR605 powering Paradigm studio 60/ 590 v5.

Sounds great, but dialogue a little low sometimes. I have a harsh room (full glass wall behind seating area, wood floors, glass coffee table) and none of this is going to change. It is not a dedicated HT room, so I am not willing to completely change the decor. Wondering if upgrading receiver to something with much better Audyssey will provide noticeable improvement. looking at Onkyo NR709, which has MutliEQ XT. the SR605 only has 2Q.

As an aside the NR709 also has preouts, which I am also interested in for future use.

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try 2 q to 6 q dont think a big differences a few acoustic panels may help alot.. area rug.. etc.. sure a few db on the cc will help.. also try turning the cc speaker verticle..

how many watts is your avr?

paradigm recommends over amp your speakers power rating for better sound and some what safer operations..

they say sq improves with over amping.. emotiva xpa 3 would do alot i bet.. on sale till end of march 1 tomorrow..

cheers..
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post #26825 of 28101
2/28/13 at 11:07pm
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Originally Posted by Bickev View Post

Proud owner of a pair of Studio 100 v5. Can anyone tell me if the midranges have dust caps or phase plugs. Just curious.

They are dust caps. Not even the Signatures have phase plugs anymore.... I think the older Studios(v.1-v.3) and Signatures(v.1, v.2) had them..
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post #26826 of 28101
2/28/13 at 11:17pm
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Yeah, I bumped up the gain on the cc and it helped but still didnt completely solve the problem. I thought the new center would resolve it. While it has gone a long way in that direction (plus provided a slew of benefits I didnt expect, e.g., a much much fuller sound) the fact that it isnt perfect gnaws at me.

The 709 just seemed to be the best bargain out there that had the XT plus pre-outs and a decent wattage bump from the 605. Would prefer to stand pat, but that is likely not going to happen given that consensus is that going from 2Q to XT is a noticeable leap. Not to mention dynamic volume, which with a newborn would be nice.

Oh well. I should have known that the dominoes would start falling once I upgraded to the Studio 60s.

There is a 4 month old mint Onkyo 818 on the Emotiva forums for sale for $680. That is the cheapest you'll find for XT32... Or you can add an XPA-3 as other have stated. I think Studios deserve a proper amp. Forget about receiver's wattage ratings, unless you can find a publication that has actually measured its real output with multiple channels driven. I'm pretty sure that, other than Pioneer's class-D receivers, a 80watt x 5 Emotiva UPA-500 will put out more sustained power with less distortion than a 100plus watt x 5 receiver.

FWIW, my Signature C3 center channel (the Signature version of the CC-590) also sounds muffled at times compared to my S4's, and it is being driven by a 200/350 watt into 8/4 ohm respectively amp. I think horizontal center channels will almost always sound noticeably worse than the normal vertical L+R speakers.
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post #26827 of 28101
2/28/13 at 11:31pm
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Originally Posted by dannybenz View Post

FWIW, my Signature C3 center channel (the Signature version of the CC-590) also sounds muffled at times compared to my S4's, and it is being driven by a 200/350 watt into 8/4 ohm respectively amp. I think horizontal center channels will almost always sound noticeably worse than the normal vertical L+R speakers.

Whenever I think this it's always the source material. Try a show with great center channel dialog like the later seasons of House is one I think really sounded great out of the C3.
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post #26828 of 28101
3/1/13 at 12:50am
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Whenever I think this it's always the source material. Try a show with great center channel dialog like the later seasons of House is one I think really sounded great out of the C3.

Yeah, I completely agree but, conveniently forgot about that. Actually I was watching Netflix today and the C3 sounded muffled, so I popped in a bluray with a DTS-HDMA soundtrack and it sounded pretty good. But whenever my C3 sounds chesty or muffled, I automatically think "damn I NEED a C5" and/or "I need to replace my 3 UPA-1's with 3 XPR-1's" instead of "it's probably the source material". biggrin.gif

But, the thing about lossless soundtracks is that they can be way too dynamic. Not that it is a bad thing, but sometimes I catch myself turning down the volume during an action scene and then having to turn it back up when it resumes to quiet dialogue after the action is over.

One thing that really helped was tilting my center channel up, pointed right at my face.
Edited by dannybenz - 3/1/13 at 1:01am
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post #26829 of 28101
3/1/13 at 1:21am
wow im off to the store today to buy wonder if i will chicken out i like my money its hard to come by...

tuff decisions in life..

cheers..
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post #26830 of 28101
3/1/13 at 2:25am
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

wow im off to the store today to buy wonder if i will chicken out i like my money its hard to come by...

tuff decisions in life..

cheers..

What are you buying?
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post #26831 of 28101
3/1/13 at 7:32am
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Originally Posted by dannybenz View Post

There is a 4 month old mint Onkyo 818 on the Emotiva forums for sale for $680. That is the cheapest you'll find for XT32... Or you can add an XPA-3 as other have stated. I think Studios deserve a proper amp. Forget about receiver's wattage ratings, unless you can find a publication that has actually measured its real output with multiple channels driven. I'm pretty sure that, other than Pioneer's class-D receivers, a 80watt x 5 Emotiva UPA-500 will put out more sustained power with less distortion than a 100plus watt x 5 receiver.

FWIW, my Signature C3 center channel (the Signature version of the CC-590) also sounds muffled at times compared to my S4's, and it is being driven by a 200/350 watt into 8/4 ohm respectively amp. I think horizontal center channels will almost always sound noticeably worse than the normal vertical L+R speakers.

I agree on the proper amp.

That is something I am kicking around. That is why I want the new receiver to have pre-outs. Ultimately plan on using the AVR as the processor with a 3 channel amp to power the front soundstage.

Will check out the 818.

Also kicking around the Pioneer SC-1222, given that it is 529 on newegg and a class D amp.

thanks
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post #26832 of 28101
3/1/13 at 8:52am
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Originally Posted by dannybenz View Post

J&v audio on 45th bet 5th and 6th has them on display.
Thanks. I listened to them today. Does anyone know whether or not the center MilleniaOne speaker can be turned to be on its stand in the vertical position, instead of on its side? The salesman said it could but I thought I read that it couldn't. Anyone own the set of 5?
Thanks!
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post #26833 of 28101
3/1/13 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by dftkell View Post

Thanks. I listened to them today. Does anyone know whether or not the center MilleniaOne speaker can be turned to be on its stand in the vertical position, instead of on its side? The salesman said it could but I thought I read that it couldn't. Anyone own the set of 5?
Thanks!
What'd you think of them?
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post #26834 of 28101
3/1/13 at 11:32am
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Does anyone know whether or not the center MilleniaOne speaker can be turned to be on its stand in the vertical position, instead of on its side?
Page 10 of the owner's manual has a pic of the L/R and CC speaker stands. Although all the speakers are identical, and although the speaker stands appear to use the same mounting hardware, the vertical "arm" on the CC speaker stand is shorter than the arm on the L/R speaker stand, so it probably doesn't offer enough clearance for the CC speaker to be mounted vertically.

If this is correct, one option would be to contact Paradigm (or your local dealer) and ask about purchasing a single L/R speaker stand, which you could then use with the CC speaker.
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post #26835 of 28101
3/1/13 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by dannybenz View Post

There is a 4 month old mint Onkyo 818 on the Emotiva forums for sale for $680. That is the cheapest you'll find for XT32... Or you can add an XPA-3 as other have stated. I think Studios deserve a proper amp. Forget about receiver's wattage ratings, unless you can find a publication that has actually measured its real output with multiple channels driven. I'm pretty sure that, other than Pioneer's class-D receivers, a 80watt x 5 Emotiva UPA-500 will put out more sustained power with less distortion than a 100plus watt x 5 receiver.

FWIW, my Signature C3 center channel (the Signature version of the CC-590) also sounds muffled at times compared to my S4's, and it is being driven by a 200/350 watt into 8/4 ohm respectively amp. I think horizontal center channels will almost always sound noticeably worse than the normal vertical L+R speakers.

I agree on the proper amp.

That is something I am kicking around. That is why I want the new receiver to have pre-outs. Ultimately plan on using the AVR as the processor with a 3 channel amp to power the front soundstage.

Will check out the 818.

Also kicking around the Pioneer SC-1222, given that it is 529 on newegg and a class D amp.

thanks

Hi Purpose... just wanted to point out there is a beautiful home theater pre amp 7.1 from emotiva on sale now... only 599 i think .. if i had not bought a new avr i would buy it.. and then the amps to
power your system .... xpa 5 is only 899 xpa 3 on sale 599 last day.. i just bought it...

my 1st to go with the new speakers i just bought today as well.. they are also going to be delivered nexts week .. the long long waite eh..

cheers..
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post #26836 of 28101
3/1/13 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

wow im off to the store today to buy wonder if i will chicken out i like my money its hard to come by...

tuff decisions in life..

cheers..

What are you buying?

i just bought the studio 100s cc690 and adp 590s.. and then bought an emotiva xpa 3 200 wpc for the front .. well that will put a dent in the bank account yikes..

later on will want to add a better sub and more amps mono blocks for the towers.. emotiva has a new mono block coming out in a few days with class A pure power..

so rumor has it.. 250 wpc.. class A power dont really know what it means but i hear its great stuff.. could be awesome with the 100s..

the xpa 3 will do fine for now.. my denon 3313ci can power the backs surrounds.. the adp 590 is only rated for 130 watts.. should be a pretty good system for movies and music..

going to be a long weekend..

cheers..
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post #26837 of 28101
3/1/13 at 2:11pm
I recently purchased Studio 100 v5 and CC 690. I'm wondering if people who own similar could comment on compatible subs. I'm thinking about Sub12 or Sub15. Is there a good alternative or is this the best match? I'm mainly HT and little music. The room is roughly 10X15.
Ideas are appreciated I'm toying with 2 subs eventually perhaps
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post #26838 of 28101
3/1/13 at 3:03pm
Thanks dannybenz
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post #26839 of 28101
3/1/13 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by crazzycanuck View Post

I recently purchased Studio 100 v5 and CC 690. I'm wondering if people who own similar could comment on compatible subs. I'm thinking about Sub12 or Sub15. Is there a good alternative or is this the best match? I'm mainly HT and little music. The room is roughly 10X15.
Ideas are appreciated I'm toying with 2 subs eventually perhaps

Seaton Sound Submersive HP
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post #26840 of 28101
3/1/13 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by crazzycanuck View Post

I recently purchased Studio 100 v5 and CC 690. I'm wondering if people who own similar could comment on compatible subs. I'm thinking about Sub12 or Sub15. Is there a good alternative or is this the best match? I'm mainly HT and little music. The room is roughly 10X15.
Ideas are appreciated I'm toying with 2 subs eventually perhaps

How about an HSU VTF-15h or SVS PB12-PLUS? I have your same setup, just the v.4's.
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post #26841 of 28101
3/1/13 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by dannybenz View Post

Yeah, I completely agree but, conveniently forgot about that. Actually I was watching Netflix today and the C3 sounded muffled, so I popped in a bluray with a DTS-HDMA soundtrack and it sounded pretty good. But whenever my C3 sounds chesty or muffled, I automatically think "damn I NEED a C5" and/or "I need to replace my 3 UPA-1's with 3 XPR-1's" instead of "it's probably the source material". biggrin.gif

But, the thing about lossless soundtracks is that they can be way too dynamic. Not that it is a bad thing, but sometimes I catch myself turning down the volume during an action scene and then having to turn it back up when it resumes to quiet dialogue after the action is over.

One thing that really helped was tilting my center channel up, pointed right at my face.

I will take that C3. I also notice on some movies the center chan sounds off and with other movies my 490cc sounds perfect
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post #26842 of 28101
3/1/13 at 4:36pm
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I recently purchased Studio 100 v5 and CC 690. I'm wondering if people who own similar could comment on compatible subs. I'm thinking about Sub12 or Sub15. Is there a good alternative ... The room is roughly 10X15. ... I'm toying with 2 subs eventually perhaps
Both are excellent subs, but you can get a lot of performance in a room the size of yours for a lot less than either of those subs. In Canada - from sonicboomaudio.com (SVS' sole Canadian distributer), the SVS PB12-NSD or PB12-Plus - single or dual - would provide tremendous performance.

From the States, the following - either single or dual - would do the same:
- Rythmik F15 or FV15
- PSA XV15 or XS30
- Outlaw LFM-1 Plus or LFM-1 EX
- HSU VTF-3 Mk4 or VTF-15H
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post #26843 of 28101
3/1/13 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by CHASLS2 View Post

I will take that C3. I also notice on some movies the center chan sounds off and with other movies my 490cc sounds perfect

I am willing to sell it if someone offers the right amount...
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post #26844 of 28101
3/1/13 at 4:41pm
Some of these issues could be due to the speaker being inadequate to the task, others could just as well be due to varying degrees of mastering quality from the video post houses (it can be all over the map).

Also, make sure your Blu-ray player's audio dynamic range compression setting is turn off and that you have positioned your speakers correctly and then calibrated your system properly.
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post #26845 of 28101
3/1/13 at 4:42pm
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Seaton Sound Submersive HP

+1. Or if you you want dual subs, two SVS PB pluses might be a good choice also.
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post #26846 of 28101
3/1/13 at 4:47pm
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

Some of these issues could be due to the speaker being inadequate to the task, others could just as well be due to varying degrees of mastering quality from the video post houses (it can be all over the map).

Also, make sure your Blu-ray player's audio dynamic range compression setting is turn off and that you have positioned your speakers correctly and then calibrated your system properly.

Since I haven't heard the C5, the "what if" question keeps lingering. The C5 might just sound the same as the C3, in which case I'll have severe buyer's remorse. If the difference between a C3 and a C5 is the same as the difference between an S2 and S8, I'll stick with my C3. However if the C5 helps clear up midrange dialogue, I would make the switch.
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post #26847 of 28101
3/1/13 at 8:08pm
I can't decide between Rosenut and Ash Black (Piano is too glossy albeit beautiful) for Studio 20s. I know its entirely subjective but ...someone tell me which to buy tongue.gif

Which has the better resale value?
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post #26848 of 28101
3/1/13 at 8:14pm
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Originally Posted by 1080pee View Post

I can't decide between Rosenut and Ash Black (Piano is too glossy albeit beautiful) for Studio 20s. I know its entirely subjective but ...someone tell me which to buy tongue.gif

Which has the better resale value?

Rosenut, definitely.
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post #26849 of 28101
3/1/13 at 8:32pm
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

Rosenut, definitely.
+1 the rosenut is gorgeous, looks classy and expensive
Black ash has always seemed like the finish of choice for cheap speakers. I guess cuz cheap speakers usually have that.
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post #26850 of 28101
3/1/13 at 8:43pm
I have always wanted Rosenut speakers, but they were B&Ws in my head. Rosenut it is.
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