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post #27721 of 30092
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Originally Posted by globalgreg View Post

So I assume they aren't an authorized dealer?

Not sure, but I don't really care because they have a high rating history and are selling them brand new in the box. If something goes terribly wrong and they don't do right by me, I can always contact Amazon. They actually shipped my order within 2 hours.

That is way better than trying to deal with calling the stereo store 2 weeks in advance, having them ordered, driving 3 hours each way to get them, and paying $200 more for the pair. If you live near an authorized dealer, it's no big deal to swing by and get them, but I live out in the sticks and this is the best option for me.
post #27722 of 30092
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Originally Posted by Nicodimus22 View Post

Not sure, but I don't really care because they have a high rating history and are selling them brand new in the box. If something goes terribly wrong and they don't do right by me, I can always contact Amazon. They actually shipped my order within 2 hours.

That is way better than trying to deal with calling the stereo store 2 weeks in advance, having them ordered, driving 3 hours each way to get them, and paying $200 more for the pair. If you live near an authorized dealer, it's no big deal to swing by and get them, but I live out in the sticks and this is the best option for me.

Exactly.
post #27723 of 30092
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Originally Posted by cjsiv View Post

Yep. Paradigm honors no online sales. When I bought my mini monitor v6, out of the box one had a bad driver. Luckily mine were from an authorized local store. I would hate to buy online and have to rely on the seller to make good with no warranty backing from Paradigm.

I thought they honored the Cinema bundle deals online.
post #27724 of 30092
After setting up and playing around with my 11s for a few hours, here are my initial observations:

-My receiver runs noticeably cooler now. It was very warm when running my 9seMK3s @6 ohms. Now it is slightly warm, but it's a night and day difference when you hold your hand over it. I guess the Monitors are a lot easier to drive @8 ohms.

-Now that the 11s are in the room, I am very glad I didn't go with anything smaller. The tweeters are within an inch of ear level (with no speaker stands) and the 11s are also noticeably slimmer.

-Even though they haven't really had any break-in time, the 11s already sound great to me. They match the Center 3 perfectly and I haven't heard them struggle even slightly with anything I've thrown at them. As good as I could have hoped for, and worth the money.




post #27725 of 30092
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Very nice HT. And a new 103 to boot. Love Oppo!
post #27726 of 30092
Congrats on your Monitor series purchase, I have 2 5.1 systems built with Mini-Monitors vs6 and also have a 2 channel system with some old Phantom floorstanders that still sound good after many years. Most of the discussion here centers around the Studio and Signature lines, thought I might post a bit of love for the Monitor series smile.gif
post #27727 of 30092
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Originally Posted by davidbarrickman View Post

Congrats on your Monitor series purchase, I have 2 5.1 systems built with Mini-Monitors vs6 and also have a 2 channel system with some old Phantom floorstanders that still sound good after many years. Most of the discussion here centers around the Studio and Signature lines, thought I might post a bit of love for the Monitor series smile.gif

At the end of the day, it's all about finding what makes you happy within your budget. I think the monitors give pretty good bang for the buck. I'm sure the other lines sound even better, but I can't afford them, so I don't focus on it.
post #27728 of 30092
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Originally Posted by globalgreg View Post

So I assume they aren't an authorized dealer?

Audio Video Sales Guy (On Amazon Market Place) are on the known unauthorized sellers list for several audio manufactures. They are not authorized for the products they sell. Which means they are either stolen, lost, used, knockoff, etc. No warranty.

But yeah, you can probably take some comfort in Amazon's customer service.

I'm not really sure what "minimum level of expertise and experience" audio companies are expecting from their dealer network. I was at one Paradigm dealer where the staff was completely uninterested in Paradigm / Anthem. A staff member stated he was lucky if 2-3 people / month asked about them. The only in store speakers were the Monitor 7. Everything else was order only. No discounts, full price only. I was basically in store for placing a mail order catalog. I felt like I knew more about the products than they did. I could have easily have placed the order online with no lose of service. Another dealer I went to was much more helpful, but he is no longer a Paradigm dealer. At the very least I find the experience to be vastly inconsistent.
post #27729 of 30092
New Paradigm owner here, just purchased Studio 20 V5's and the detial is amazing. I was a long time B&W owner (always bookshelf from the 302's to the 685's) but needed something a little brighter. I went to a local authorized dealer and he recommended I try the Studio 20's for two weeks before I decide to buy. My results...I am keeping them after the two weeks (one week to go). Although I love my 685's they are going to the upstairs home theater and the Paradigms are staying in the main room. What surprised my was how much more push there was with the midrange and bass. I almost don't need a sub! The highs are sweet too, if not a little too bright. I also brought home a Marantz sr5007 receiver to test for two weeks. I am still unsure of this choice. I have always loved the dynamics of Yamaha and the Marantz may be a little too warm. I thought it would have complemented the bright sound of the Paradigms but i am not totally sold. Can anyone recommend a sub $900 receiver with 3D and at least 4 HDMI inputs?

Thanks
post #27730 of 30092
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post

Audio Video Sales Guy (On Amazon Market Place) are on the known unauthorized sellers list for several audio manufactures. They are not authorized for the products they sell. Which means they are either stolen, lost, used, knockoff, etc. No warranty.

But yeah, you can probably take some comfort in Amazon's customer service.

I'm not really sure what "minimum level of expertise and experience" audio companies are expecting from their dealer network. I was at one Paradigm dealer where the staff was completely uninterested in Paradigm / Anthem. A staff member stated he was lucky if 2-3 people / month asked about them. The only in store speakers were the Monitor 7. Everything else was order only. No discounts, full price only. I was basically in store for placing a mail order catalog. I felt like I knew more about the products than they did. I could have easily have placed the order online with no lose of service. Another dealer I went to was much more helpful, but he is no longer a Paradigm dealer. At the very least I find the experience to be vastly inconsistent.

Here's how I look at it. If Paradigm is going to say "Look, you can't buy it direct from us, and you can't buy it online. You MUST go to an authorized dealer to buy our speakers" then maybe they should...I don't know...make sure their products are in good stock at authorized dealers? As in, have at least one of each? In my state, there are a whopping 2 authorized dealers and they are in little specialty stereo shops literally hundreds of miles apart (not near me, either.) I tried going the route Paradigm wanted, and got my mains and center there, but came up empty on the surrounds. Like you said, you shouldn't walk into a store to place a mail order. That's what the internet is for. They definitely need some kind of consistency with their dealers, some sort of agreement to have a certain # of various paradigm models in stock.

So, I don't feel bad for buying my surround 3s on Amazon. If it was just some shady dude selling them on craigslist, I wouldn't bother. However, Amazon provides some security and accountability. I'll follow up when they arrive and let you guys know if my speakers are used//knockoff/unsatisfactory.
post #27731 of 30092
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Originally Posted by Nicodimus22 View Post

So, I don't feel bad for buying my surround 3s on Amazon. If it was just some shady dude selling them on craigslist, I wouldn't bother. However, Amazon provides some security and accountability. I'll follow up when they arrive and let you guys know if my speakers are used//knockoff/unsatisfactory.

Of course you shouldn't feel bad. Nothing you're doing is unethical. And yes, if you get some knockoffs, Amazon will help you get a refund if they're uncooperative. The problem may lie with needing some warranty service after the return period is over from the vendor. You'll be SOL. If I were you I would have purchased them from an authorized dealer that will mail them to you. That way you get the protection of a warrant in the rare occurrence you would need to utilize it.
post #27732 of 30092
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Originally Posted by globalgreg View Post

Of course you shouldn't feel bad. Nothing you're doing is unethical. And yes, if you get some knockoffs, Amazon will help you get a refund if they're uncooperative. The problem may lie with needing some warranty service after the return period is over from the vendor. You'll be SOL. If I were you I would have purchased them from an authorized dealer that will mail them to you. That way you get the protection of a warrant in the rare occurrence you would need to utilize it.

There's always a risk that you'll need the warranty for any piece of equipment. I guess my thinking is this: I'm saving $200 by going this route (after trying to buy them at a dealer.) It's riskier to go without a warranty, sure, but if they are new in the box, and they work fine upon arrival, the odds that I'd need to use the warranty are slim. Hell, my 19 year old Paradigms are still good (transplanted into the bedroom.) If the worst possible scenario happened, it's not really an arm and a leg to buy a new Surround 3. I would not feel comfortable buying my bigger, more expensive speakers in this way, but for the little guys I'm not overly worried.
post #27733 of 30092
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Originally Posted by Nicodimus22 View Post

At the end of the day, it's all about finding what makes you happy within your budget. I think the monitors give pretty good bang for the buck. I'm sure the other lines sound even better, but I can't afford them, so I don't focus on it.
+1 Fellow monitor V6 owner
post #27734 of 30092
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In my state, there are a whopping 2 authorized dealers


In my state, Maryland; there are 0 dealers. I had to drive to Delaware to listen to them and that dealer only had 2 flavors of Paradigms to listen to. I currently have 10 year old Monitor 11's and I'm looking for a change.
post #27735 of 30092
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Originally Posted by DougReim View Post

In my state, Maryland; there are 0 dealers. I had to drive to Delaware to listen to them and that dealer only had 2 flavors of Paradigms to listen to. I currently have 10 year old Monitor 11's and I'm looking for a change.

That surprised me too, since I live in Harrisburg I was going to pop down to Baltimore and visit a dealer - and found there are NONE there!
post #27736 of 30092
Paradigm definitely needs to re-think their "brick & mortar" business approach.
These traditional retailers are really struggling to stay in business in
The economy that we have been blessed with;) when I first got into
Paradigm speakers 4 or 5 years ago there were 2 retailers 90 minutes
From me. They are both out of business now!! Nearest dealer to me
Is now a 3 hour drive to Phoenix..

IMHO paradigm needs to embrace the 21st century NOW.
post #27737 of 30092
I see that paradigm millennia ct and shift are being sold by crutchfield. Maybe this is an attempt by paradigm to start selling their products online. Crutchfield would be a great place to buy from. They have excellent customer service. One can only hope. In the meantime I am lucky enough to have three dealers nearby. Two in PA and one in DE, but who knows how long that will last. I did however order my surrounds (ADP-390's) from Indiana when paradigm stopped V6 of the monitor line. So there are options, but demo'ing is another story.
post #27738 of 30092
Crutchfield is a great outfit to do business with. I thought I remember
Seeing the Millenia series being sold at authorized dealers that also had
Internet sites. (Spearitsound?)

Anyway, I bought my 5.0 Signature series V2 from all over the country
(Utah,Illinois,MA) from authorized dealers with full Paradigm warranty
When the V3's were introduced. All sight unseen/unheard.

Some posters have called me out on this saying that Paradigm
Would not honor the warranty on my speakers. When Paradigm
Introduces a new version of a speaker series this is one way to
Get old version speakers at a great price with full warranty. Paradigm
Authorizes dealers to do this to clear out the older versions.

I did receive a free replacement mid-woofer on one of my
Speakers,just contacted the dealer that sold them to me.
post #27739 of 30092
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Originally Posted by grasshoppers View Post

YPAO on Yamaha.
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YPAO on Yamaha.

Grateful , dude .. wink.gif

Guys , what's your impressions about the Outlaw monoblock amps ? would the Emotiva Xpa-3 be better than these with the Studio 100 , CC690 front sound-stage ?

i have an xpa 3 on the 100s and cc 690 was a great sound improvement over my denon..

looking to add more power for the 100s

Model 2200 Monoblock Power Amplifier from outlaw looks good but i would get a bit more power on the 100s... never heard em..

xpa 1 interest me..

cheers
post #27740 of 30092
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Originally Posted by grasshoppers View Post

Crutchfield is a great outfit to do business with. I thought I remember
Seeing the Millenia series being sold at authorized dealers that also had
Internet sites. (Spearitsound?)

Anyway, I bought my 5.0 Signature series V2 from all over the country
(Utah,Illinois,MA) from authorized dealers with full Paradigm warranty
When the V3's were introduced. All sight unseen/unheard.

Some posters have called me out on this saying that Paradigm
Would not honor the warranty on my speakers. When Paradigm
Introduces a new version of a speaker series this is one way to
Get old version speakers at a great price with full warranty. Paradigm
Authorizes dealers to do this to clear out the older versions.

I did receive a free replacement mid-woofer on one of my
Speakers,just contacted the dealer that sold them to me.

did you break your speaker from running under powered amps !!!!! most speakers get broken with under powered amps... you need da power for good sound dynamics too...

cheers
post #27741 of 30092
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

did you break your speaker from running under powered amps !!!!! most speakers get broken with under powered amps... you need da power for good sound dynamics too...

cheers

LOL, No, I was changing out a subwoofer cable and forgot to power down
My Outlaw RR2150. When I plugged the sub in I got this VERY loud
Feedback from the speakers. I was lucky only 1 driver was damaged.

I felt like a real dumb-arse.

It was just a very slight "hiss" from that one driver,but I could hear
It when I played "Clapton-Uplugged" not noticeable on other music
As much.
post #27742 of 30092
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

That surprised me too, since I live in Harrisburg I was going to pop down to Baltimore and visit a dealer - and found there are NONE there!

Ah, another Pennsylvania person. I live in Codorus. Paradigm's website gave me 2 hits. One was in Harrisburg (Anderson Audio, which doesn't look promising based on the website http://www.andersonaudio.com/) and Paul and Tony's Stereo in State College. P&T's is where I originally bought my Paradigms in 1994, so I ended up going back there for my Monitor 11s and Center 3. It's 3 hours away from me, probably more like 1.5-2 hours from you.

I can certainly recommend Paul and Tony's, but they don't have *that* much Paradigm in stock. They have the Monitor series of mains, the Atoms, the Center 1 and 3 (I bought the display Center 3 so maybe just the 1 now), the Surround 1, and a couple of bigger centers (the 590 and 690 I think) but no sig or ref product. They can probably order it, but if you go there wanting to audition the sig/ref lines, forget it. They do encourage you to bring a CD and audition the Monitors though. The 7s, 9s, and 11s are the only ones they have hooked up.
post #27743 of 30092

If you are on Paradigm's site fill out the Custom Installer's form and see if there are dealers near you.  Some installers have product to show either at a customer's house or their own home.  They are not on the regular finder because they don't have a showroom.   Many of the B&Ms got rid of their showrooms but are still in business as custom integrators.  Paradigm never used to sell to installers years ago but they changed that several years ago.  I don't think you will see Paradigm go to an internet business model.  It is worth a try and might keep you from a long drive if you just want to order product and still deal with a local dealer.  And maybe you'll get lucky and they will have the model you want to audition.

post #27744 of 30092
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Originally Posted by Nicodimus22 View Post

Ah, another Pennsylvania person. I live in Codorus. Paradigm's website gave me 2 hits. One was in Harrisburg (Anderson Audio, which doesn't look promising based on the website http://www.andersonaudio.com/) and Paul and Tony's Stereo in State College. P&T's is where I originally bought my Paradigms in 1994, so I ended up going back there for my Monitor 11s and Center 3. It's 3 hours away from me, probably more like 1.5-2 hours from you.

I can certainly recommend Paul and Tony's, but they don't have *that* much Paradigm in stock. They have the Monitor series of mains, the Atoms, the Center 1 and 3 (I bought the display Center 3 so maybe just the 1 now), the Surround 1, and a couple of bigger centers (the 590 and 690 I think) but no sig or ref product. They can probably order it, but if you go there wanting to audition the sig/ref lines, forget it. They do encourage you to bring a CD and audition the Monitors though. The 7s, 9s, and 11s are the only ones they have hooked up.
I'm in the Philly area and have a dealer (Hi-Fi House) about 5 miles away. They have to other locations, DE and King of Prussia,PA. Both are about a half hour away. I had no idea how lucky I am. Also, you pay no sales tax in DE.
post #27745 of 30092
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(Anderson Audio, which doesn't look promising based on the website http://www.andersonaudio.com/)


That company seems similar to Maryland's only Paradigm dealer. I forget their name but they were a custom installer with no showroom, no speakers and from what I could tell no knowledge about the Paradigms.
post #27746 of 30092
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Originally Posted by Nicodimus22 View Post

Ah, another Pennsylvania person. I live in Codorus. Paradigm's website gave me 2 hits. One was in Harrisburg (Anderson Audio, which doesn't look promising based on the website http://www.andersonaudio.com/) and Paul and Tony's Stereo in State College. P&T's is where I originally bought my Paradigms in 1994, so I ended up going back there for my Monitor 11s and Center 3. It's 3 hours away from me, probably more like 1.5-2 hours from you.

I can certainly recommend Paul and Tony's, but they don't have *that* much Paradigm in stock. They have the Monitor series of mains, the Atoms, the Center 1 and 3 (I bought the display Center 3 so maybe just the 1 now), the Surround 1, and a couple of bigger centers (the 590 and 690 I think) but no sig or ref product. They can probably order it, but if you go there wanting to audition the sig/ref lines, forget it. They do encourage you to bring a CD and audition the Monitors though. The 7s, 9s, and 11s are the only ones they have hooked up.

I spoke to the receptionist at the Anderson Audio shop. The owner sells Paradigm because he personally loves them, but it is a side business - a hobby actually. No speakers in stock and no showroom. When I bought my Millenium 200s from 6Ave I called there first. 6Ave was in their tiff with Paradigm as was offloading all their speakers for VERY cheap - they gave me a 50% discount, meaning I bought one and got one speaker free. Anderson Audio said they would give no discount - full MSRP.

Maybe I will look closer at the shops in Delaware. Since I am driving a few hours anyway I might as well buy them in a state without sales tax.
post #27747 of 30092
The HiFi store in Delaware gave very little discount, maybe 10%.
post #27748 of 30092

Paradigm dropped dealers that were selling on the internet and that is the direction many B&M's went to stay afloat.  You got a great deal from 6th Ave but they no longer carry Paradigm, you got it at the right time!

post #27749 of 30092
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Originally Posted by DougReim View Post

The HiFi store in Delaware gave very little discount, maybe 10%.

It becomes 16% when I add the missing PA sales tax. smile.gif
post #27750 of 30092
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Originally Posted by BobL View Post

Paradigm dropped dealers that were selling on the internet and that is the direction many B&M's went to stay afloat.  You got a great deal from 6th Ave but they no longer carry Paradigm, you got it at the right time!

That is why I bought it when I did. I contacted Paradigm first to ensure they would honor the warranty, they said they would.
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