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post #27841 of 30069

If you want ideal 7 identical monopole speakers is what should be used like under ITU/ SMPTE specs.  The problem with this set up is many room sizes this won't have a good surround effect except for maybe a couple of seats if the speakers are too close to the listeners.  The person sitting next to the left surround will get that speaker in the ear effect and not get the same immersion as the person in the center seat.  This is also true of the rear speakers if they are too close to the listening position.

 

 If you are using di-poles they have to follow a certain orientation.  Di-poles should be labeled left and right with the in phase tweeter facing forward toward the screen.  When used for back speakers they get reversed and the in phase faces toward the other back speaker.  So in the back the left and right speakers are reversed.  Bi-poles don't need a specific orientation.  Use speakers that best fit your application monopole, di-pole or, bi-pole.

post #27842 of 30069
I found some very sturdy plastic wastecans that have the same footprint as my speaker stands, and do not wobble at all. I flipped them upside down and put the stands on top, and now the speakers are 21 inches higher. Is that looking better?

post #27843 of 30069
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Originally Posted by Nicodimus22 View Post

I found some very sturdy plastic wastecans that have the same footprint as my speaker stands, and do not wobble at all. I flipped them upside down and put the stands on top, and now the speakers are 21 inches higher. Is that looking better?

Nice!
post #27844 of 30069
Forget the look. Does it sound better to you? That's what matters most.
post #27845 of 30069
Need help putting together a speaker receiver combo for a friends wedding gift.

One of my good friends weddings is coming up at the end of the month and I'd like to get him started on a HT setup for his wedding gift. He's coming from a Sony 5.1 HTIB. I'd like to get him started with a pair of speakers and a receiver. He can use his Sony speakers for surrounds, the Sony sub, and a phantom center setup until he upgrades down the line. Unfortunately I'm working with a limited budget. $500 is really maxing out what I can spend on speakers and a receiver and I'd actually like to stay closer to $400 if at all possible. Given these limitations I'm currently thinking about going with a pair of Paradigm Atom v6's that are slightly used that I can hopefully grab for about $200. For a receiver I was thinking of the Onkyo NR509 since it has the basic Audyssey feature and I'm thinking 80 wpc should be sufficient to drive these smaller, efficient speakers.

His listening habits will be somewhere around 70% HT and 30% music roughly. The room is yet to be determined, as him and his fiance will be buying a house at some point after the wedding.

-What are your thoughts on this combo? Feel free to add any other suggestions to the list for either speakers or receiver.

-Do you feel that 80 wpc is sufficient to drive these speakers, and the small Sony surrounds, and perhaps a center channel down the line in a medium sized room?

-Are the Atom's capable of filling a medium sized room when accompanied with an adequate sub?

-How do the compare to the Mini Monitors in terms of filling a room and their low frequency extension?

I'm currently using Studio 60's v5 and the cc-690 and absolutely love them. I also got my younger brother the Mini Monitor v6's and paired them with an SVS PB10 and have been pleased with the results in a medium sized room. I'd like to introduce my friend to Paradigm as well, but am definitely open to other brand suggestions as well.

Thanks in advance for any assistance and input!


-Ryan
post #27846 of 30069
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

a phone book LOL... try a 5 ft stand really... they should be mounted much higher..

cheers..

Yea ok rolleyes.gif I gave him the suggestion for phonebooks to test out 1st.
You OTOH want him to go out and spend $100+ on stands to see what they will sound like raised up.
Good job.

how you know he got 5 foot stack of phone books... LOL..

i never said go buy a stand.. improvise is a good approach..

right now im using my old speakers 4ft high as the stand for the adp 590...

cheers..
post #27847 of 30069
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Originally Posted by pappaduke View Post

Forget the look. Does it sound better to you? That's what matters most.

right on!

cheers

ps looks great..

good thinking on how to do it..
post #27848 of 30069
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

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Originally Posted by Nicodimus22 View Post

I found some very sturdy plastic wastecans that have the same footprint as my speaker stands, and do not wobble at all. I flipped them upside down and put the stands on top, and now the speakers are 21 inches higher. Is that looking better?

Nice!

looking great..
post #27849 of 30069
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Originally Posted by Nicodimus22 View Post

I found some very sturdy plastic wastecans that have the same footprint as my speaker stands, and do not wobble at all. I flipped them upside down and put the stands on top, and now the speakers are 21 inches higher. Is that looking better?

Can you just mount the right surround to the wall directly in the back of it? Not sure where the opposite wall is to the left surround, but you could mount it to that wall. Just enter the correct distance for time delay.

Like this ..

Edited by coresare - 5/2/13 at 4:55pm
post #27850 of 30069
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Originally Posted by hoffusmc_09 View Post

Need help putting together a speaker receiver combo for a friends wedding gift.

One of my good friends weddings is coming up at the end of the month and I'd like to get him started on a HT setup for his wedding gift. He's coming from a Sony 5.1 HTIB. I'd like to get him started with a pair of speakers and a receiver. He can use his Sony speakers for surrounds, the Sony sub, and a phantom center setup until he upgrades down the line. Unfortunately I'm working with a limited budget. $500 is really maxing out what I can spend on speakers and a receiver and I'd actually like to stay closer to $400 if at all possible. Given these limitations I'm currently thinking about going with a pair of Paradigm Atom v6's that are slightly used that I can hopefully grab for about $200. For a receiver I was thinking of the Onkyo NR509 since it has the basic Audyssey feature and I'm thinking 80 wpc should be sufficient to drive these smaller, efficient speakers.

His listening habits will be somewhere around 70% HT and 30% music roughly. The room is yet to be determined, as him and his fiance will be buying a house at some point after the wedding.

-What are your thoughts on this combo? Feel free to add any other suggestions to the list for either speakers or receiver.

-Do you feel that 80 wpc is sufficient to drive these speakers, and the small Sony surrounds, and perhaps a center channel down the line in a medium sized room?

-Are the Atom's capable of filling a medium sized room when accompanied with an adequate sub?

-How do the compare to the Mini Monitors in terms of filling a room and their low frequency extension?

I'm currently using Studio 60's v5 and the cc-690 and absolutely love them. I also got my younger brother the Mini Monitor v6's and paired them with an SVS PB10 and have been pleased with the results in a medium sized room. I'd like to introduce my friend to Paradigm as well, but am definitely open to other brand suggestions as well.

Thanks in advance for any assistance and input!


-Ryan

I would look at this denon 1612. It has MultiEQ which is better than the 2eq found in the 509. It will eq a sub which I would guess your friend would get at some point. That's a really nice wedding gift by the way.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1612/DENON-AVR-1612-5.1-Channel-A/V-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html

Obviously the mini monitors would be better but the atoms should be fine with a sub. Coming from a Sony HTIB he will fall in love with the atoms. Also if he wants some minis or titans down the line he could move the atoms to surround. I think the 1612 with the atoms would be an excellent gift. I think the 509 or 1612 would have enough power for the atoms.
post #27851 of 30069
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Originally Posted by coresare View Post

Can you just mount the right surround to the wall directly in the back of it? Not sure where the opposite wall is to the left surround, but you could mount it to that wall. Just enter the correct distance for time delay.

Like this ..

No wall mounting, unfortunately. I rent, and my landlord doesn't want any nail holes.

The other wall is...there isn't one. If you keep going left of the couch, you end up hitting the refrigerator in the kitchen. smile.gif
post #27852 of 30069
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Originally Posted by mjpearce023 View Post

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Originally Posted by hoffusmc_09 View Post

Need help putting together a speaker receiver combo for a friends wedding gift.

One of my good friends weddings is coming up at the end of the month and I'd like to get him started on a HT setup for his wedding gift. He's coming from a Sony 5.1 HTIB. I'd like to get him started with a pair of speakers and a receiver. He can use his Sony speakers for surrounds, the Sony sub, and a phantom center setup until he upgrades down the line. Unfortunately I'm working with a limited budget. $500 is really maxing out what I can spend on speakers and a receiver and I'd actually like to stay closer to $400 if at all possible. Given these limitations I'm currently thinking about going with a pair of Paradigm Atom v6's that are slightly used that I can hopefully grab for about $200. For a receiver I was thinking of the Onkyo NR509 since it has the basic Audyssey feature and I'm thinking 80 wpc should be sufficient to drive these smaller, efficient speakers.

His listening habits will be somewhere around 70% HT and 30% music roughly. The room is yet to be determined, as him and his fiance will be buying a house at some point after the wedding.

-What are your thoughts on this combo? Feel free to add any other suggestions to the list for either speakers or receiver.

-Do you feel that 80 wpc is sufficient to drive these speakers, and the small Sony surrounds, and perhaps a center channel down the line in a medium sized room?

-Are the Atom's capable of filling a medium sized room when accompanied with an adequate sub?

-How do the compare to the Mini Monitors in terms of filling a room and their low frequency extension?

I'm currently using Studio 60's v5 and the cc-690 and absolutely love them. I also got my younger brother the Mini Monitor v6's and paired them with an SVS PB10 and have been pleased with the results in a medium sized room. I'd like to introduce my friend to Paradigm as well, but am definitely open to other brand suggestions as well.

Thanks in advance for any assistance and input!


-Ryan

I would look at this denon 1612. It has MultiEQ which is better than the 2eq found in the 509. It will eq a sub which I would guess your friend would get at some point. That's a really nice wedding gift by the way.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1612/DENON-AVR-1612-5.1-Channel-A/V-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html

Obviously the mini monitors would be better but the atoms should be fine with a sub. Coming from a Sony HTIB he will fall in love with the atoms. Also if he wants some minis or titans down the line he could move the atoms to surround. I think the 1612 with the atoms would be an excellent gift. I think the 509 or 1612 would have enough power for the atoms.

I was lucky to get a clearance deal on some new vs 6 Atoms and Mini-Monitors from an authorized dealer when the vs 7 line was introduced. I think the Atoms would be fine for your friend, for their size and cost IMO they are pretty amazing. They're very efficient and don't need a lot of power. Yes the Minis have more low end, but with a sub the Atoms will be fine, Audyssey sets the crossovers for my Atoms at 60 or 80 hz in the 2 different rooms is use them in (I always raise it to 80hz) and even with not the best sub (my next upgrade) I am very pleased with the SQ.
+1 on the suggestion to get a Denon AVR with Audyssey MultiEQ, they are getting ready to introduce a new E and X series of AVRs that you might want to consider...or you might find a clearance deal on
a xx12 or xx13 model. Buying a refurb 1612 from Accessories4less is a great suggestion, just thought I'd mention some other possible Denon options...here are some other threads you might want to check out on AVS...
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1409431/the-official-denon-avr-xx13-model-owners-thread-faq
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461825/new-denon-avrs-press-release
Edited by davidbarrickman - 5/2/13 at 7:25pm
post #27853 of 30069
paradigm 7se mkII. great speakers
post #27854 of 30069
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Originally Posted by Nicodimus22 View Post

I found some very sturdy plastic wastecans that have the same footprint as my speaker stands, and do not wobble at all. I flipped them upside down and put the stands on top, and now the speakers are 21 inches higher. Is that looking better?


The height looks better but I was talking about removing the tables and moving the speakers forward so the sound can reflect a bit off the back wall rather than being smothered.

Don't forget to run your room correction software afterwards as well.
post #27855 of 30069
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

how you know he got 5 foot stack of phone books... LOL..

I'm pretty certain he knew I was talking about adding to his stands underneath.

Obviously you did not.
post #27856 of 30069
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Originally Posted by Nicodimus22 View Post

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Originally Posted by coresare View Post

Can you just mount the right surround to the wall directly in the back of it? Not sure where the opposite wall is to the left surround, but you could mount it to that wall. Just enter the correct distance for time delay.

Like this ..

No wall mounting, unfortunately. I rent, and my landlord doesn't want any nail holes.

The other wall is...there isn't one. If you keep going left of the couch, you end up hitting the refrigerator in the kitchen. smile.gif


just pull back the right stand a foot or so to ge equal distance to center of couch... every inch will help....

also if you could pull the couch out from the back wall a foot or even 6 inches would help too..

how did you get that speaker on the wall without a nail or screw ? krazy glue?

cheers..
post #27857 of 30069
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

how did you get that speaker on the wall without a nail or screw ? krazy glue?

cheers..

LOL coresare photoshopped that to demonstrate their placement suggestion.
post #27858 of 30069
I think a set of Isolation Spikes on the Wastecans, and he is good to go.

The Wastecan thing is a clever idea. wink.gif
post #27859 of 30069
Thanks again for steering me in the right way to set up dipole speakers. I had no previous experience with them. They do sound the best this way, and I think it's as close as I can get it for this room.
post #27860 of 30069
GREAT IDEA using milk crates! I have a pair of Studio 20 V.5 for my surrounds on 24" stands. Realizing they are not high enough I have been racking my brain about how to make them higher without buying a new pair of stands. I'm using VTI DSP series filled with sand. They dont make anything taller than 29" unfortunately. I think 34" should be pretty close if I could only find a pair of nice milk crates in black to put my stands upon. Any ideas where I can get these?
post #27861 of 30069
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Originally Posted by 1Oldschool View Post

GREAT IDEA using milk crates! I have a pair of Studio 20 V.5 for my surrounds on 24" stands. Realizing they are not high enough I have been racking my brain about how to make them higher without buying a new pair of stands. I'm using VTI DSP series filled with sand. They dont make anything taller than 29" unfortunately. I think 34" should be pretty close if I could only find a pair of nice milk crates in black to put my stands upon. Any ideas where I can get these?

head down to the home depot...

get some lumber and

make em!!!!

cheers...
post #27862 of 30069
Hello All,

Just reading a few of the last posts... those dipoles look a little high (for me) but if it sounds good...

I have Studio 100 v5 in the front with the CC-590.

On the sides I have the ADP 590s.

For the rears I have Studio 20s. All are placed where tweeters are at ear level (except for the center).

I did not put 590 in the rear because I listen to multi channel music and while the 590s sound good, the Studio 20 are far superior for music (and imaging). Unfortunately this forces me to switch speakers when listening to multi channel music (I have them banana clipped) and switch back for movies.

This also forces me to have two calibrations... one with Denon 4341 at 7.1, and for multichannel music, I use the Oppo directly and have a 5.1 calibration for that.

Originally, I just used the Denon to power all the speakers but found a lack of oomph in the front when playing music so now I power the mains with an external amp. That made a nice difference.

Originally, I had an eye on the signature series but the price was too prohibitive for me. All in all I am very pleased with the speakers and how they play music, which was my primary consideration for the purchase. Naturally, movies sound great as well.
post #27863 of 30069
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Originally Posted by Gary Seven View Post

Hello All,

Just reading a few of the last posts... those dipoles look a little high (for me) but if it sounds good...

I have Studio 100 v5 in the front with the CC-590.

On the sides I have the ADP 590s.

For the rears I have Studio 20s. All are placed where tweeters are at ear level (except for the center).

I did not put 590 in the rear because I listen to multi channel music and while the 590s sound good, the Studio 20 are far superior for music (and imaging). Unfortunately this forces me to switch speakers when listening to multi channel music (I have them banana clipped) and switch back for movies.

This also forces me to have two calibrations... one with Denon 4341 at 7.1, and for multichannel music, I use the Oppo directly and have a 5.1 calibration for that.

Originally, I just used the Denon to power all the speakers but found a lack of oomph in the front when playing music so now I power the mains with an external amp. That made a nice difference.

Originally, I had an eye on the signature series but the price was too prohibitive for me. All in all I am very pleased with the speakers and how they play music, which was my primary consideration for the purchase. Naturally, movies sound great as well.

Hi Gary.. welcom to the paradigm thread.. nice speaker package you have...

what kind of power you pumping into those 100s?

enjoy
post #27864 of 30069
Hi and thank you.

I ended up with the Wyred4Sound 250 w 2 channel amp. It got great reviews and the footprint is rather small. I also had it upgraded so it was a tad pricey. Here is the link...

http://www.wyred4sound.com/webapps/p/74030/117839/332077

At least external amps are not slaves to the latest tech changes like codecs and such so it is one that conceivably will last for the remainder of my lifetime.
post #27865 of 30069
The ADP 590 are supposed to be 6-9 feet high if on the sides per my manual.
post #27866 of 30069
I see. Mine are about 5 feet. I'll check it out. Thanks.
post #27867 of 30069
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Originally Posted by 1Oldschool View Post

GREAT IDEA using milk crates! I have a pair of Studio 20 V.5 for my surrounds on 24" stands. Realizing they are not high enough I have been racking my brain about how to make them higher without buying a new pair of stands. I'm using VTI DSP series filled with sand. They dont make anything taller than 29" unfortunately. I think 34" should be pretty close if I could only find a pair of nice milk crates in black to put my stands upon. Any ideas where I can get these?

I could have bought milk crates at Lowe's, although they only had red (yikes) and blue (not as bad, but I wanted black to blend with my end tables.)

Instead, I bought a pair of tall plastic wastecans (21" high) and flipped them upside down. They don't wobble at all. They had the same footprint wastecan in a 15" high model as well, but I wanted it a bit higher. I believe THX recommends 1 meter above ear level, and most people seem to think somewhere between 1-3 feet above ear level works fine.
post #27868 of 30069
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Originally Posted by Gary Seven View Post


Just reading a few of the last posts... those dipoles look a little high (for me) but if it sounds good...

Hmm...let me measure and see exactly how high they are.

OK, here's what I came up with:

Ear level on my couch: 38"

Top of the speaker stand: 49"

Top of the speaker: 59"

Does that seem reasonable?
post #27869 of 30069
Hi Everyone. I am in the market for a home theater system and have listened to many vendors in the $8000 range for the 5.1 setup plus AVR. The paradigms sound the best to me so far. I am going with the Studio 60s, CC590 and ADP590s for the 5.0 setup.

For the sub, I am not sure. The system aligns well with the Monitor Sub 10 or 12 but I already have a SVS SB-1000. Should I just keep that one vs. getting the other one?

I am Denon fan and am thinking about getting the AVR-4520 but the sales guy recommended a Pioneer Elite SC65 at half the price instead.

What do you guys think on the items I need help with?

Thanks...
post #27870 of 30069
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Originally Posted by mroehricht View Post

Hi Everyone. I am in the market for a home theater system and have listened to many vendors in the $8000 range for the 5.1 setup plus AVR. The paradigms sound the best to me so far. I am going with the Studio 60s, CC590 and ADP590s for the 5.0 setup.

For the sub, I am not sure. The system aligns well with the Monitor Sub 10 or 12 but I already have a SVS SB-1000. Should I just keep that one vs. getting the other one?

I am Denon fan and am thinking about getting the AVR-4520 but the sales guy recommended a Pioneer Elite SC65 at half the price instead.

What do you guys think on the items I need help with?

Thanks...

Just do yourself a favor and get the CC-690 right now. I sold my CC-590 a few months after getting it and got the CC-690. You'll always read about how amazing the CC-690 is after you've bought your CC-590. The CC-690 is just better all around and now I'm finally content. I refuse to ever let myself listen to Sig's.
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