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post #2791 of 28092
12/3/06 at 7:26pm
Can someone help with a good stand recommendation for the CC-570 v3? I only need it to be about 18-24" tall. Most of the ones I've seen do not seem wide enough and even on http://www.premier-av-furniture.com/...tandsHome.html I can't seem to find a good wide one. Any recommendations?
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post #2792 of 28092
12/3/06 at 7:39pm
Who makes the one shown in this review, Premier?

http://www.hometheatersound.com/equi..._seismic12.htm
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post #2793 of 28092
12/3/06 at 8:12pm
Currently have:
3SE-Minis - Fronts
Atoms - Rears
CC-300 - Center
SVS PB10NSD - Sub

The Center is really making it difficult to find a stand to accomodate the size...
Can someone recommend another Paradigm CC that is smaller, still full bodied and wont break the bank??

thx
Mark
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post #2794 of 28092
12/3/06 at 8:12pm
I believe it is the Premier J-Series. They are on Paradigm's website.

http://www.premier-av-furniture.com/...s/J_Feat3.html
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post #2795 of 28092
12/3/06 at 8:23pm
Does anyone know what a good degree of toe-in is for two Studio 60's (version 4) as fronts? The picture in the manual shows them being toed in at almost 45 degrees, but the writing recommends only a slight toe-in. It says toe-in increases localization...that means that you're more likely to tell that sounds are coming from the speaker...right? That obviously sounds like a bad thing. I'm really confused and I'd appreciate the help...
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post #2796 of 28092
12/3/06 at 11:05pm
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

Thanks for the response. I do not have the ability to set the crossover independently. I can't choose a setting at all on my reciever but the HD player has only 3 choices: 80, 100 or 120Hz. I'm guessing you would recommend the 80Hz setting in this case, which is the lowest I can choose. So, you are also recommending turning the sub's crossover to 150Hz, which is all the way up, correct?

I would choose 80hz and consider upgrading to a PW-2200 sub that can handle crossing over at 80hz while providing clean, musical low bass output. Turn the sub crossover to 150Hz as long as you are allowing the players crossover to feed it signal below 80hz.
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post #2797 of 28092
12/4/06 at 3:28am
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Originally Posted by neff2k View Post

I believe it is the Premier J-Series. They are on Paradigm's website.

http://www.premier-av-furniture.com/...s/J_Feat3.html

Must be the J-18c....there ya go Sendero.
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post #2798 of 28092
12/4/06 at 3:44am
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Originally Posted by WebEffect View Post

Does anyone know what a good degree of toe-in is for two Studio 60's (version 4) as fronts?...

On the V3s, Paradigm recommends that they be toed-in at slightly less than 45 degrees, with the invisible "intersecting point" to be 1-2' behind the listener.
That how mine are set up. Start there, let the speakers break in, then adjust to taste.
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post #2799 of 28092
12/4/06 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

I have a question about crossover settings for my speakers. Here's my setup:

Fronts: Mini Monitors (fr 56Hz - 20kHz)
Center: CC-170 (fr 70Hz - 20kHz)
Surr: ADP-170 (fr 90HZ - 20kHz)
Sub: a 10 year old PDR-10
Reciever: Kenwood VR-6070
Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD player using the 5.1 analog outputs.

What would you recommend for a good crossover setting. I can't select a crossover on the receiver but, it is THX certified so I assume it as a built in 80Hz crossover. I'm using the 5.1 analog inputs when watching HD-DVDs which then by-passes all the receivers processing so, I have to use the HD-A1's bass management. I have the crossover in the player set to 100Hz right know but, should I move it to 80Hz? The reason I chose 100Hz is because the ADPs only go down to 90Hz. Do you need to take you surr. into account or only the mains? Last question: where should I set the subs crossover knob? Currently it is at 140Hz but, I'm thinking of dropping it to 130, maybe even 120. I've read many times that most suggest turning your subs crossover all they way up (or off) but, when I turn the knob all the way up the sub becomes too localized. The knob on the sub is what is really confusing me. I don't know where to set it. I don't want it to interfere with the receiver's or HD-A1's crossover. The sub isn't in the best spot in my apartment which is probably causing the localization problem but, it is the only spot it can go. I'm moving soon and will hopefully be able to place it in a better spot. I'm just tring to get a better grasp on this crossover setting stuff so I can attempt to get the best out of my set-up. I love my Paradigm speakers though, even though I could only afford the cheaper ones. Any info or help would be greatly appreciated.

Note: I've worked with the PDR-10, and I've found something interesting: turning down the cross-over on the sub really allows you to boost the low-end, and flattens out the frequency repsonse curve (FR). This is with the reciever set at 80Hz.

I found this info at http://www.audio-ideas.com/reviews/h...gm-stylus.html. The FR chart shows that, by moving the sub's cross-over down to 90Hz (I use 100Hz), that you can turn up the sub, and thus the low ranges, without adding to the 40-100Hz range. I've checked this out on my sub, and the FR results are very flat, less a room induced lull at 45Hz that I would need an equalizer to remove.

jdg
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post #2800 of 28092
12/4/06 at 7:55am
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Originally Posted by EdL View Post

I finally pulled the trigger today and have begun my Paradigm system build. My fronts (Studio20 V.4 & CC-590) should be delivered in about 2 weeks.

BTW - My dealer said he wouldn't mix the CC-590 & the V.3's. He says he doesn't think the new tweeter will match, even though the difference is supposed to be minimal.


EdL

Congrats, I've had my Studio 20's v., CC-590 v.4, Studio 20's v.4, Ultracube setup for a few days now and I'm enojoying it immensely.
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post #2801 of 28092
12/4/06 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by WebEffect View Post

Does anyone know what a good degree of toe-in is for two Studio 60's (version 4) as fronts? The picture in the manual shows them being toed in at almost 45 degrees, but the writing recommends only a slight toe-in. It says toe-in increases localization...that means that you're more likely to tell that sounds are coming from the speaker...right? That obviously sounds like a bad thing. I'm really confused and I'd appreciate the help...

45 degree definitely sounds WAY too much. I would toe it in more if its close to the side wall but still no where close to 45degree.
I would say a max of 10-20 degree in most cases.
In my room, my 60v2 are 3' away from side wall and I just point them almost straight. Excellent imaging and no localization.
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post #2802 of 28092
12/4/06 at 9:30am
Hi all,

Is it possible to wall mount the mini-monitors? I have done a search and not found anything specific to the mini mounts. I have the V.3 models.

Thanks in advance
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post #2803 of 28092
12/4/06 at 9:42am
Just thought I'd share...
I am helping a friend with his HT set up and so we went down and auditioned stuff.
We looked at the Millineum 200, and the Mon 7 V.5 as he needs a smaller foot print.
I liked the bass and mids of the 7's but the highs were pretty spitty. We decided to throw the V.4 20's in the mix and they bested both of them. Had the open mids of the 7's and even better highs than the M-200. I can't believe hjow small the new 7's are! They are so little but still can kick it out.
BTW
I am selling my year old v.3, 60's, 20's, and 570, if anybody is interested pm me.
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post #2804 of 28092
12/4/06 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by JohnDG View Post

Note: I've worked with the PDR-10, and I've found something interesting: turning down the cross-over on the sub really allows you to boost the low-end, and flattens out the frequency repsonse curve (FR). This is with the reciever set at 80Hz.

I found this info at http://www.audio-ideas.com/reviews/h...gm-stylus.html. The FR chart shows that, by moving the sub's cross-over down to 90Hz (I use 100Hz), that you can turn up the sub, and thus the low ranges, without adding to the 40-100Hz range. I've checked this out on my sub, and the FR results are very flat, less a room induced lull at 45Hz that I would need an equalizer to remove.

jdg

Thanks for the info. Looks like I've got some good stuff to play around with. One question though. Would setting the subs crossover at 90Hz and the source at 80Hz create a double or overlapping crossover (not sure what the technical term is) and isn't that a bad thing?
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post #2805 of 28092
12/4/06 at 2:30pm
Ok heres a quote I got from a local dealer, prices are in canadian dollars

Studio 100 V.4 2529.00
CC590 V.4 858.00
Studio 20 V.5 915.00
PW2200 V.2 12" 949.00
Series Speaker stands 349.00

6384.00 w/ 14% tax (ontario)

Good/Bad? any suggestions?

Thanks

Mark
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post #2806 of 28092
12/4/06 at 5:25pm
It's less than msrp, but I personally wouldn't pay for the v4's when with a bit of searching you could find version 3's for wayyyyy less than the system you just quoted.
I wouldn't be surprised if some dealers bought up old stock from Paradigm and they're going to blow it out during boxing week. I could be wrong, but it also might be worth waiting another month just in case.
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post #2807 of 28092
12/4/06 at 5:33pm
Well heres the quote I got for their demo equipment v.3

Studio 100 V.3 2100.00
CC470 v.3 525.00
Studio20 v.3 740.35
PW2200 V.2 12" 949.00
Series Speaker stands 349.00

5316.22 w/ tax
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post #2808 of 28092
12/4/06 at 7:46pm
Just wondering what cc to get.This is the first speaker that I'm buying for my new system.My room is 12x35 and I sit about 15ft away from my front speakers.I have a denon 3805 and was wondering if the cc690 was too much for the room(12ft wide)and my receiver?I will eventually get studio 60's for the front but for now I have studio 20's v1.I have a buddy that thinks I don't have enough power and it will drown out my front speakers.I would be happy with the 590 but for $200 extra,the 690 looks very good.
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post #2809 of 28092
12/4/06 at 9:08pm
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Originally Posted by jkhome View Post

Must be the J-18c....there ya go Sendero.


Thanks guys. I'll see if my local dealer can get it and how much it is. Someone said $250 and if so then I'll be looking for a diff one in the $100 range. Its a nice stand but not that nice
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post #2810 of 28092
12/5/06 at 5:29am
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Originally Posted by Mr.WMS View Post

Well heres the quote I got for their demo equipment v.3

Studio 100 V.3 2100.00
CC470 v.3 525.00
Studio20 v.3 740.35
PW2200 V.2 12" 949.00
Series Speaker stands 349.00

5316.22 w/ tax

IMO that's still too far off what it should be for demos. When I was in at my local shop last week they still had a pair of demo 100's for $1800, cc470 for $500, Studio 20's for $600 these were all in like new condition, (and matching black ash).
I actually ended up picking up brand new V3 60's for $1200, along with a new cc470 for $500, but I think that was a bit lucky. Either way I suggest calling up Gibby's in St. Catharines, it might be worth your drive from T.O.

Good Luck
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post #2811 of 28092
12/5/06 at 6:31am
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

Thanks for the info. Looks like I've got some good stuff to play around with. One question though. Would setting the subs crossover at 90Hz and the source at 80Hz create a double or overlapping crossover (not sure what the technical term is) and isn't that a bad thing?

Crossovers are sloping: that is, Db's are slowly reduced/increased above/below the crossover point. IMHO you shouldn't see too much interference.

Best in all cases is to use a sound meter and calibration disc and measure what's happening in your setup. For example, I use a 100Hz crossover due to unavoidable corner loading of my main speakers.

jdg
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post #2812 of 28092
12/5/06 at 9:59am
Yes, it will double the slope, and as John mentioned, it depends on what you want. Typically it's not a good idea to do that as it will usually result in a dip in frequency response next to the crossover point.

100Hz is considered too high in general, though it depends on the situation. Aim for no higher than 80Hz. That's also the reason why you have some directionality, which is more noticeable once you get up that high.
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post #2813 of 28092
12/5/06 at 2:19pm
does anyone run 4 adp surrounds for the side and rear surround speakers?
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post #2814 of 28092
12/5/06 at 4:51pm
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Originally Posted by miltimj View Post

Edit: And I completely agree with rnrgagne that the speaker cable has nothing to do with how your speakers sound (provided they are of decent gauge, such as 16 or so)

Then you need to listen to more wire/speaker combos to garner that experience.
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post #2815 of 28092
12/5/06 at 4:59pm
Does anyone know what the screw size is for anchoring the bottom of studio speakers to their stands?
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post #2816 of 28092
12/5/06 at 6:37pm
Does anyone know retail price of Premier stand J-29, J-18C? How much discount is allowed on these things?

Thanks?
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post #2817 of 28092
12/5/06 at 6:50pm
xrayii, I happen to prefer dipoles all the way around. I am currently using ADP-370's for both L/R Surround, and L/R Rear. I am waiting for my ADP-390's to come in. I am really looking forward to hearing how they sound with the additional driver in the middle now.

If i'm not mistaken this configuration was only available in the Signature Series, and has now been added to the ADP's in the Studio and Monitor lines.

Question for those that have the Signature ADP's, does the driver in the middle create an even more immersive surround experience? And, with the additional driver in the middle, are these still considered dipoles, or are they in reality a sort of dipole/direct hybrid?
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post #2818 of 28092
12/5/06 at 8:29pm
Hello everyone,

I am looking at getting a new Home Theatre system and am considering Paradigm.

I had set aside a budget of around $2500, but after reading all the rave reviews I am considering the reference series.

Initially, I had planned for

Monitor 9
CC-290
PW-2100/PW-2200
and Mini Monitors or ADP's for rears.

After speaking with a few Dealers I am now considering the following:

Studio 60's
CC-590/CC-690

put off purchasing a sub and rears until a later date. The dealer who sold me on the studio series also mentioned that it might be best to have some SA-15R's installed directly above my sofa rather then hanging rears.

Up front cost would be about the same and more in the long run.

So my question is, what would you do? What can I expect from a Studio series over a Monitor series? Unfortunately, I have not had a chance to listen to either yet.

Thanks,

Dave
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post #2819 of 28092
12/5/06 at 10:17pm
Dave,
There is simply no comparison between Reference and Monitor speakers. Reference speakers sound much more natural (but not bright) and sensational sonic clarity. I still have my old Monitor 9 and difference between mon 9 and studio 60 v3 is night and day!
Also, studio speakers look DAMN good. It's far more pleasing visually and sonically than monitor series for sure!

Have you considered getting ADP-470 (ADP-570 for v4)? Try it at Paradigm dealer .. it sound pretty amazing for rear surrounds.
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post #2820 of 28092
12/6/06 at 4:07am
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Originally Posted by bluemark81 View Post

Does anyone know what the screw size is for anchoring the bottom of studio speakers to their stands?

On my Studio 20v3s, they were 1/4", 20 threads per inch.
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