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post #27901 of 30092
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Originally Posted by Gary Seven View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

Hi Gary you da man with da power 250 into 8 and 550 into 4 ohms nice..

those 100s must sing nice ...

im running an xpa 3 200 300 8 4 off a denon 3313.. looking to add some mono blocks to the 100s.. moving the xpa 3 to the center and surrounds..

got my eye on the new xpa 1Ls for the stereo playing mainly..

ive only had my speakers for 2 months they are sounding great... biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

just cranking up the blues breakers...

cheers..

Yes.. it made a significant improvement. I recommend it if economically feasible.

+ 1 for da power eh...

watch out Gary we might get bombarded with all kinds of charts and mathematical yada yada data telling us we dont need the power biggrin.gif

but people with the power know better biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

cheers..
post #27902 of 30092
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Originally Posted by DreamWarrior View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

And what many of us don't realize until we hear it, is that clean undistorted loud sound often does not sound that "loud." The key here is that in most or our home listening, there are small amounts of distortion caused by a lack of dynamic headroom (but more on that next month). It's the distortion that makes it sound "loud" in a domestic setting. To remove those distortions and increase dynamic headroom relates to even more power. We've become accustomed to accepting some distortion with our reproduced music, because all amplifier's distortion ratings gradually increase as they approach their output limits or slightly clip the audio signals. When that happens, we turn down the volume, because distortion starts to intrude on our listening pleasure, and it sounds "too loud."

The lesson in all this is that you can never have too much power, and that big amplifiers rarely damage speakers. Little amplifiers driven into clipping burn out speakers. In the scheme of high fidelity, that last barrier to realism is having enough power and being able to approximate real-life loudness levels.


never have to much Da Power eh!

cheers..

http://www.axiomaudio.com/power
I hesitated to post before, but dude...enough is enough. You've made your point. But, I still have to tell you that too much power certainly can and does blow speakers. I've put amplifiers rated at double or more what a speaker can take (in active setups for that matter, so no x-over in between speaker and amplifier) and guess what, the poor little driver eventually dies. The amplifier never once clipped in its lifetime, but eventually something comes along that demands "da power" that the driver can't take and poof, it's dead. Drivers have power limits (and thermal limits) and pushed hard continuously they'll die.... So, yeah...put a 1000 watt monoblock on a bookshelf rated for 50 watts and see how long it lasts.

Point is, sure, I suppose you can never have enough power...and too much can't hurt if you're careful with your volume control, but if you're not, a big amplifier will blow the hell out of a speaker just as fast as a clipping little one if you ask it to. Difference is, with the big amplifier it may sound pretty clean right until the point it blows up, while a little one may start to distort and tell you to back off. Not to mention that if there are large dynamic swings, the big amplifier is likely to produce them cleanly, but deliver a crap ton of power and blow the driver, while the little amplifier may distort, but still not have enough clipped power to distort so much to drive it past its limits. For example, hook a 50 watt amplifier to a subwoofer capable of handling, saying, 1000 watts. It'll be nearly impossible to clip that 50 watt amplifier enough to ever blow that sub. Put a 2000 watt amplifier on that same sub and guess what'll happen the first time a dynamic swing comes through demands 2000 watts? Maybe it'll be the second, or third time, but sooner or later the driver will thermally overload (if it's not pushed past its excursion limits first)...and poof.

I guess what I'm saying is, you are wildly generalizing in every post you make about this. You are generalizing that everyone likes it really loud and therefore needs gobs of power. You are generalizing that the speakers are even rated for anywhere near the amplifier they may buy (1000 watt mono-block amplifer on, say, speakers rated for 60 watts), etc... You're basically saying, "overspend on the amplifier, it can't hurt". And sure, it can't...unless it does, lol. It can hurt your budget, and it certainly can still blow the speaker if you don't watch the volume knob.

At the end of the day, it's about balance here -- both in finding speakers that can play at your desired levels and then finding an amplifier that's big enough to get them there (and doing both as closely as possible without overspending).

So...please, can we stop beating this dead horse? It's starting to smell funny in here, lol.

more speakers are blown by under powered avrs being pushed....

eek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gif

cheers
post #27903 of 30092
check this review out fresh off the press...

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/power-amplifiers/power-amplifiers-reviews/emotiva-xpr-1-monoblock-power-amplifier/page-3-in-use.html

i liked this part..

For example, in Daniel Barenboim's interpretations of the Chopin Piano Concertos (Arthaus Music), the amplifier must not only reproduce the piano's transients, but keep them distinct from the supporting orchestra. The Emotiva XPR-1 did this easily, because the average output was about 20 watts, and this allowed transients of 200 watts or more, which are well within the linear part of the amplifier's response. I never saw the power meters go all the way to the top, which means I always had additional head room.

cheers...

+1 for da power eh..
post #27904 of 30092
cant wait to get some mono blocks hooked up to my paradigm studio 100s... that will be a sweet day...

as paradigm recommends over amping your speakers but to be careful with the volume eh.. good thing my avr has a limiter on the volume as well but allows the dynamics and transients to
pass !!!!

same as for under powered equipement you need to be careful even more so...

the main reason to over power is for better sound quality just like PARADIGM SAYS...

love da powah!

cheers.
post #27905 of 30092
The studio 100s do take a lot of power so throw it their way IF you are able to provide it. It will provide a better listening experience, even at low volumes. But as another poster said, find a balance between budget, the amount of power (no need to over do it) and your listening location/preference.
post #27906 of 30092
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Originally Posted by mroehricht View Post

Thanks guys. I'll listen to the 690 next week when I am going back to the store to place the entire order. What do you guys think about the Pioneer AVR that I was suggested to get by the dealer instead of the Denon line? I have a 2312ci right now but will be using it for a different room. Do I really need separate amps? My room is wood flooring, 18 width, 24 length and 18 height (vaulted). Distance to 60" TV from main listening position about 10 feet at center of room. 50/50 music and HT

The critical parameter for sizing amps isn't the size of the room but how far you sit from the speakers.

Here's a SPL calculator:

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html

If I plug in some typical numbers for Studio 100s, I come up with 91.7 dB SPL for 5 watts of amplifier power. Normal reference listening level is 85 dB SPL, so knock off 7 dB worth of amplifier power which gets us down to about 1 watt. Now we will need some power to handle peaks, so lets toss in 20 dB for the short term peaks in the most aggressive classical music (e.g. piano music) and now we are around 100 watts, which is within the dynamic power output of most AVRs.

Estimate that you will need far less power if you do the wise thing and obtain a good subwoofer.
post #27907 of 30092
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

more speakers are blown by under powered avrs being pushed....

eek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gif

cheers
You'll never give up...will you? How about this, a nice real world example of "da power"...

I have an older set of Paradigm Studio 60's, I had them to connected to a Parasound Halo amp for quite a while. When moving them to my newer (much larger) room, I started consistently blowing the midrange drivers. I took out that driver in each cabinet, and twice in one! As such, I've bought 3 replacements! As per stereophile these speakers are rated at 150 watts. The Parasound is 250 watt per channel amp. As a side-note -- I took the tweater out once too, but that was just a stupid drunk mistake on my part, I got all twisted up after buying my Submerssive HP and put on an older Aerosmith recording (read lots of HF) and then stabbed the volume on the remote. Of course, the volume button is a little...twitchy, in that it jumps up a little, then a little more, then a lot, lol...and before I could let it go, it was screaming at me. What felt like a milisecond later, the right side stopped screaming, and lots more beer was had as I sat quite diminished in my knowledge that I wasn't going to be enjoying my new sub for a few weeks while waiting for a new tweeter.

Now, I KNOW I like loud music, and I KNOW these babies can't handle my desires, and I'm sure I probably clipped the Parasound a bit in driving them, but not to the point where it was exceedingly audible. Point is connected to the Parasound they sounded really great (though still not quite to my loudness tastes in my room, but I knew and could hear even then that things were starting to get on the hairy edge and not to push them much more). That is, of course, until the drivers blow, then they immediately sound like crap, I yell and scream, turn it down, and call Paradigm for a replacement, lol.

So, since I'm tired of replacing the drivers, I put them back on my Denon 4311ci. I can't push them near as hard, because I can hear the amp start to strain, so I back off the volume like a good boy. But, since putting them there, guess how many drivers I've blown? NOT ONE! GUESS WHY!?! Because I can hear the clipping much more quickly and turn it down before it clips. In fact, I can't get anywhere near the clean output from them that I did with them connected to the Parasound, so...they are safer in the hands of this amplifier, because my ears more quickly tell me the amplifier is having enough before the speakers tell me (when the smoke the midrange driver).

So please, PLEASE, shut your mouth about all this "da power" crap! YES, having nice clean power on tap is AWESOME! But don't sit here and delude people into thinking that overpowering speakers won't blow them. If people blow their speakers on any amplifier (myself included) it's obviously due to overpowering the speakers (either because of the clipped output is too much power, or the actual clean output of the amplifier is too much). BUT it's MUCH EASIER to hear a really distorted clipped signal and back off than it is to hear a slightly clipped (but still overpowering) signal!

So yeah, maybe underrated receivers do kill speakers more quickly, in the hands of people who just don't listen for high distortion levels and keep pushing the volume up until either the speaker or receiver smokes itself. BUT, that's NOT always the case!

Which is to say, ultimately, that if I was less informed and read your posts then I might be sitting here thinking that I could swap out my Parasound Halo amplifier for a 1000 watt mono-block and then be able to get where I want in my room. But if I (and you) actually believed this, then my friend, we would be SERIOUSLY deluded! Which is to say that I'm not stupid enough to think these speakers will EVER get where I need them to go; they just can't handle ENOUGH POWER! SO FEEDING THEM MORE OF "DA POWER" WON'T GET THEM WHERE I NEED THEM! And to tell people, as you continue to do like a stupid troll, to overspend on some crazy power amplifier to push their volume levels to the sky, on speakers that CAN NOT HANDLE IT is LUDICROUS!

ONE MUST buy a set of speakers that CAN (given their actual in room sensitivity, power handling, and listening position) provide the SPL levels they want. Then they must purchase an amplifier (or receiver) capable of getting them there. It's THAT SIMPLE! IF someone bought a pair 1000 watt mono-blocks, sure they may be able to power a bunch more speakers, but IF they ever actually used that 1000 watt, on a set of speakers rated for (say) about 2-300w (as the Studio 100's), then they would very likely be blowing up drivers JUST LIKE I AM! FOLKS PLEASE DON'T DELUDE YOURSELF OTHERWISE!!! IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!

edit: And I should probably mention, just to be fair, that prior to moving these speakers into this new (very large) room, I never blew ONE SINGLE DRIVER. I did smoke an older Denon receiver, though, trying to power them...which was what caused me to buy the Parasound in the first place -- oh and I smoked the Denon (rated at like 60wpc) and DIDN'T TAKE OUT A DRIVER (not even a tweeter!!!). Of course, I probably should have heard the clipping, but I was vacuuming the apartment and just wanted it really loud to jam while cleaning.

Which is to say that in SMALLER ROOMS (MUCH smaller, like LP of half the distance or more smaller) the Parasound + Studio 60 combo appeased me (though still never what I really wanted, but enough that pre-lots of distortion I could be happy). Now, however, my listening position is quite a bit further back, so...they just don't have it in them to get to similar SPL levels there. And, if I'm being honest, I KNEW THAT going into it. I pretty much figured that I'd start to injure them...but...while I figure out what I want to purchase next, I've resolved to hurt them less by restraining my hand on the volume by hearing clipping than allowing myself the ability to keep pushing them until they blow because "oh...they'll be ok, they still sound pretty darn goo....AHHHHHHH CRAP!?!?!"

edit 2: For fun -- here's my driver replacement history (dates unknown...but I have cried over at least two of them in this very thread, lol), all of them on the Parasound.

First blow-out -- tweeter, story above. My stupid fault...well, I guess they all are, but this one was a real blunder, lol.
Second blow-out -- mid range in my right tower -- was listening to some rap at the hairy edge when all came crumbling down.
Third blow-out -- mid range in the left tower -- watching In Time, there was a gunshot scene and shortly thereafter I heard some chuffing from the left tower. Turned it all down, then went for diagnosis after the movie ended. Pulled the mid range, no sound coming from it. Pressing on the cone, it made the weird chuffing sound I heard during the movie...oddly, when I removed the terminals from it, that noise went away, I could press it and no noise...put back on the terminals, it returned...no idea what that was....
Forth (and final before moving them off the Parasound) blow-out -- mid range in my right tower -- ugh, party night...no idea when it happened...next day it sounded like **** and immediately I started to cry, lol.

That was all within, maybe, a year.... I've had them on the receiver again for a year since, no blow-outs.... Lots of parties, same movie habits, nothing's changed. Only difference, I'm not tempted with the volume knob any more because it sounds like crap long before I can get near a level that blows my speakers.

edit 3: I just want to summarize a bit...

I'm ENDORSING powering these things with amplifiers, they WILL SOUND BETTER -- BUT PLEASE DON'T TELL ME IT WILL prevent me from blowing drivers. AND DON'T IMPLY that buying an even higher powered amplifier would stop me from blowing these things. My Parasound is over the rated power limit, you think putting double (or more) times the power on them will SOLVE or EXACERBATE my problem? If you're dumb enough to say the former, then I applaud your stupidity, but we must agree to disagree...and I'm pretty sure you'll be the only one in this thread with that opinion.... Further, the set of people that disagrees with you very likely includes the Parasound engineers who rated the speaker in the first place.... In fact, I should be so (and, to some extent, am) grateful that this is the only damage I've done when feeding them with nearly double what they can take, lol. It's the nature of the beast...it's time to upgrade, MY SPEAKERS (and possibly my amplifier, but I'm looking to go higher efficiency next upgrade, to avoid purchasing a new amplifier if at all possible).
Edited by DreamWarrior - 5/6/13 at 4:37pm
post #27908 of 30092
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

For example, in Daniel Barenboim's interpretations of the Chopin Piano Concertos (Arthaus Music), the amplifier must not only reproduce the piano's transients, but keep them distinct from the supporting orchestra. The Emotiva XPR-1 did this easily, because the average output was about 20 watts, and this allowed transients of 200 watts or more, which are well within the linear part of the amplifier's response. I never saw the power meters go all the way to the top, which means I always had additional head room.
Aboslutely.

...unless you were voltage limited rather than amperage limited.
...or unless you had mechanical (rather than amp) clipping.
post #27909 of 30092
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Originally Posted by JerryLove View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

For example, in Daniel Barenboim's interpretations of the Chopin Piano Concertos (Arthaus Music), the amplifier must not only reproduce the piano's transients, but keep them distinct from the supporting orchestra. The Emotiva XPR-1 did this easily, because the average output was about 20 watts, and this allowed transients of 200 watts or more, which are well within the linear part of the amplifier's response. I never saw the power meters go all the way to the top, which means I always had additional head room.
Aboslutely.

...unless you were voltage limited rather than amperage limited.
...or unless you had mechanical (rather than amp) clipping.

xpr 1 is recommend to be on 20 amp dedicated circuit..

cheers
post #27910 of 30092
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Originally Posted by tboe77 View Post

See the link in post 27891.

New Denon receivers. One featuring Audyssey MultEQ XT32 with Sub EQ HT, for $1299 MSRP. A much lower price point than any of their previous gear that carried these features.

Just what I've been looking for . . .

Same here. The 818 was close but no subEQ HT was a deal breaker. My 3311 will be replaced for sure this year with the x4000.
post #27911 of 30092
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

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Originally Posted by mroehricht View Post

Thanks guys. I'll listen to the 690 next week when I am going back to the store to place the entire order. What do you guys think about the Pioneer AVR that I was suggested to get by the dealer instead of the Denon line? I have a 2312ci right now but will be using it for a different room. Do I really need separate amps? My room is wood flooring, 18 width, 24 length and 18 height (vaulted). Distance to 60" TV from main listening position about 10 feet at center of room. 50/50 music and HT

The critical parameter for sizing amps isn't the size of the room but how far you sit from the speakers.

Here's a SPL calculator:

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html

If I plug in some typical numbers for Studio 100s, I come up with 91.7 dB SPL for 5 watts of amplifier power. Normal reference listening level is 85 dB SPL, so knock off 7 dB worth of amplifier power which gets us down to about 1 watt. Now we will need some power to handle peaks, so lets toss in 20 dB for the short term peaks in the most aggressive classical music (e.g. piano music) and now we are around 100 watts, which is within the dynamic power output of most AVRs.

Estimate that you will need far less power if you do the wise thing and obtain a good subwoofer.

my studio 100s v5 sounded like garbage on a denon 3313 avr with 125 wpc in stereo... they sound great with an external amp... the need da powah...

you cant have good sound quality with out da powah

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post #27912 of 30092
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Originally Posted by Gary Seven View Post

The studio 100s do take a lot of power so throw it their way IF you are able to provide it. It will provide a better listening experience, even at low volumes. But as another poster said, find a balance between budget, the amount of power (no need to over do it) and your listening location/preference.

if you dont believe me about the da power with common sense as stated in the paradigm users manual ask

Gary Seven

he's got da power... 550 watts into 4 ohms

sweet..

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post #27913 of 30092
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Originally Posted by tboe77 View Post

Great post, DreamWarrior. Very well put.
+1 to "da power" of 1000
post #27914 of 30092
he is right about DA POWER!!!!! i give my apple earbuds 1000 watts each and they sound better than anything you have ever heard.

they are still going strong, and ive been running them at 1000 watts for about 8 years. heres a pic

but really. for some speakers, i would say 50 watts over rated power is enough. for other speakers,(cerwin vega) 200 watts over is ok. it all depends on the speaker. if you dont drive them into distortion, they will probably not blow and will last a while.
post #27915 of 30092
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Originally Posted by mjpearce023 View Post

Same here. The 818 was close but no subEQ HT was a deal breaker. My 3311 will be replaced for sure this year with the x4000.

The other problem, for me, with the 818, was that it did not have a 12v trigger that operates with the main zone. I use my 3808CI as a pre-pro, feeding the signal to an Emotiva XPA-5, and I use the 12v trigger to turn the amp on and off.

No Sub EQ HT as also a big drawback.

I couldn't justify the price of a 4520, for something that I would only use as a processor. The price of the X4000 is much more palatable. If MSRP is $1,299, I'm guessing it will be on sale for under $1,000 as next Christmas draws closer.
post #27916 of 30092
The X4000 also has Audyssey's new "low frequency containment" feature. Not sure if it's any good, but it's interesting for those of us who have a lot of low-volume usage.
post #27917 of 30092
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Originally Posted by tboe77 View Post

The other problem, for me, with the 818, was that it did not have a 12v trigger that operates with the main zone. I use my 3808CI as a pre-pro, feeding the signal to an Emotiva XPA-5, and I use the 12v trigger to turn the amp on and off.

No Sub EQ HT as also a big drawback.

I couldn't justify the price of a 4520, for something that I would only use as a processor. The price of the X4000 is much more palatable. If MSRP is $1,299, I'm guessing it will be on sale for under $1,000 as next Christmas draws closer.

I didn't know about the 12v trigger missing form the 818. That's crazy. I tried a rotel amp a few years ago and didn't hear any improvement for my studio 20s so I don't run an amp. The 4520 was out of my price range and I was waiting to find a 4311 below 1000 but now the x4000 is perfect for me. Usually the street price is a lot lower for denons so you might be able to get it lower than 1000 right when it releases. Calling av science or electronics expo would be your best bet. I'll pm you if I find one in that price range.
post #27918 of 30092
I just found the magical button to block users... now I can read this forum in peace.
post #27919 of 30092
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Originally Posted by richardfh View Post

I just found the magical button to block users... now I can read this forum in peace.

Thank you for reminding me about that option. Its the first time I have ever felt the need to block. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by DenonLover View Post

Thank you for reminding me about that option. Its the first time I have ever felt the need to block. rolleyes.gif
i was thinking the same thing. I respect posters opinions, but enough is enough.
post #27921 of 30092
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Originally Posted by richardfh View Post

I just found the magical button to block users... now I can read this forum in peace.
Yeah, I found that button about a week and a half ago, enjoy!
post #27922 of 30092
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Originally Posted by tboe77 View Post

The X4000 also has Audyssey's new "low frequency containment" feature. Not sure if it's any good, but it's interesting for those of us who have a lot of low-volume usage.

Hey tboe....not interested in the Anthem line of receivers? ARC does some pretty amazing things. Lemme know if you want a demo.
post #27923 of 30092
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Originally Posted by Ishniknork View Post

Yeah, I found that button about a week and a half ago, enjoy!

Hey "da" button comes in handy for certain posters that make you do this rolleyes.gif when reading their posts.
post #27924 of 30092
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Originally Posted by Yosh70 View Post

Hey "da" button comes in handy for certain posters that make you do this rolleyes.gif when reading their posts.

Well, the entertainment factor is definitely up there with the "dube".
Common sense, science and logic don't phase him in the least.
At this point I believe he replies intentionally knowing that he
Can get a rise out of folks. My wife deals with his type daily at
Her elementary school wink.gif
post #27925 of 30092
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Originally Posted by grasshoppers View Post

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Originally Posted by Yosh70 View Post

Hey "da" button comes in handy for certain posters that make you do this rolleyes.gif when reading their posts.

Well, the entertainment factor is definitely up there with the "dube".
Common sense, science and logic don't phase him in the least.
At this point I believe he replies intentionally knowing that he
Can get a rise out of folks. My wife deals with his type daily at
Her elementary school wink.gif

wow really.. i thought your where going to say the psychiatric ward in the hospital eek.gif
man i love going in there for a visit now and then...
free food
and its easy to get seconds if you tell em you got Da Power.. biggrin.gif

to run your studio 100s to sonic nirvana oh yeah biggrin.gif

i got to get some more powah!!!! biggrin.gif

cheers

Oh Dam Nurse Ratched got me eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif

but she never been happier since she got some power on her sound system biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
Edited by deltadube - 5/6/13 at 11:09pm
post #27926 of 30092
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Originally Posted by grasshoppers View Post

Well, the entertainment factor is definitely up there with the "dube".
Common sense, science and logic don't phase him in the least.
At this point I believe he replies intentionally knowing that he
Can get a rise out of folks. My wife deals with his type daily at
Her elementary school wink.gif
hahaha... I was seriously not going to post... I tried REALLY hard not to. But, I just can't let people be duped into buying crazy amplifiers for speakers that quite literally just can't take it and would hate to see someone in my boat without knowing the storm is coming.

I was also going to let him know he's the first poster ever (on any forum I post to) to get | | <- this close to being put on my ignore list...but, I figured he'd probably like that. So....

Trolls gonna troll...but I guess I just had to give some people an example of what "da power" can really do to a set of speakers that can't handle it when pushed really hard. And, admittedly, I'm hard on them...harder than I should be...but, I accept that, and buying a higher power amplifier won't help me. I figure I'd share...hopefully people listen...and common sense takes hold and delta's stupidity is once and for all conquered by logic.

To the kudos and +1 guys (tboe77 and Ishniknork) thanks...appreciate it. Funny he's not responded to my anecdotal evidence...more proof he's just a stupid troll looking for a response. I almost feel dirty giving it to him, lol.
post #27927 of 30092
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Originally Posted by DreamWarrior View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by grasshoppers View Post

Well, the entertainment factor is definitely up there with the "dube".
Common sense, science and logic don't phase him in the least.
At this point I believe he replies intentionally knowing that he
Can get a rise out of folks. My wife deals with his type daily at
Her elementary school wink.gif
hahaha... I was seriously not going to post... I tried REALLY hard not to. But, I just can't let people be duped into buying crazy amplifiers for speakers that quite literally just can't take it and would hate to see someone in my boat without knowing the storm is coming.

I was also going to let him know he's the first poster ever (on any forum I post to) to get | | <- this close to being put on my ignore list...but, I figured he'd probably like that. So....

Trolls gonna troll...but I guess I just had to give some people an example of what "da power" can really do to a set of speakers that can't handle it when pushed really hard. And, admittedly, I'm hard on them...harder than I should be...but, I accept that, and buying a higher power amplifier won't help me. I figure I'd share...hopefully people listen...and common sense takes hold and delta's stupidity is once and for all conquered by logic.

To the kudos and +1 guys (tboe77 and Ishniknork) thanks...appreciate it. Funny he's not responded to my anecdotal evidence...more proof he's just a stupid troll looking for a response. I almost feel dirty giving it to him, lol.

responded to you... why... anyone that repeatedly makes the same mistake by running powerful amps on there speakers and blows the
woofers how many times did you say??? 3 or 4 calls for more parts... is ABUSING Da Power of the amp...

did you not know the definition of insanity is making the same mistakes over and over again and expecting a different result!!!!!!!

its clearly stateded in the paradigms owners manual how to operate you speakers... watch for excessive movement of the woofers..

as you already admitted the sound quality is better with over powering your speakers but of course there is danger of to much...
common sense man.. which also stated in my manual..

the same mistake again and again of abusing da power ...

KNOW YOUR LIMITS

cheers biggrin.gif
post #27928 of 30092
hot off the press...from audioholics emotiva xpr 1

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/amplifiers/emotiva-xpr1-amplifier

Unlimited POWAH!
Pristine sound quality at all listening levels
Runs cool


There is little not to like about the 1kwatt Emotiva XPR-1 Monoblock power amplifier. Although it lacks the snob appeal of some of the more expensive and prestigious brands, the Emotiva XPR-1 gives up nothing in the performance department, especially with regards to power. It's built well with all the proper engineering in place to ensure reliable, problem free performance for years to come. The XPR-1 truly lives up to the “Reference series” name that Emotiva has reserved for their very best products. This is a highly recommended purchase for the audiophile looking for an amplifier with equal doses of brawn and finesse. It is the Jedi Master of power amps that would make even an audiophile Sith Lord proud to own. Check out our comprehensive review where we attempted to smoke our power resistors by dumping over 2kwatts of power through them, which the XPR-1 happily provided. Barbecue anyone?

this should power up the studio 100s nicely eh...

cheers..
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Originally Posted by Yosh70 View Post

Hey tboe....not interested in the Anthem line of receivers? ARC does some pretty amazing things. Lemme know if you want a demo.

I've never had any experience with Anthem receivers. My current receiver is the Denon 3808CI. It is the only real receiver (excluding HTiB crap) I've ever owned. I like it very much, and I really like Audyssey as well, so when looking for a replacement, I'm mostly looking at Denon or Marantz.

I recently added an Emotiva XPA-5 to my system. I wanted to see for myself what difference an external amp might make. I also wanted the added flexibility. If I change speakers, I don' t really have to worry about their impedance. If (when) I change receivers, I don't have to worry about their power output, or I can go with a pre-amp processor if I like (although it seems that would be even more expensive than just buying a receiver to use as a processor).

I'm not in a hurry to upgrade. The 3808CI still performs very well. It doesn't do 3D pass-through, but I don't have a 3D TV. I don't have much interest in 3D just yet (don't like wearing glasses over my glasses!), but I wouldn't mind a larger screen. I currently have a 50" Samsung Plasma. I wouldn't mind going to a 65" Panasonic plasma. When that happens, of course, I'll have 3D, whether I want it or not.

Beyond that, the most compelling reason (for me) for a receiver upgrade is to get the latest version of Audyssey. However, I don't want to pay the price of the Denon 4520CI to get it (especially since I wouldn't even be using its amp section).

This is why I'm excited about the new Denon AVR-X4000. It has all of the latest Audyssey goodies at a much lower price point.

Nothing against Anthem. I guess I'm just sticking to what I know for now.

I've never been able to find a very good comparative review of the major room correction/calibration software solutions (ie. Audyssey, ARC, YPAO, MCACC, etc.).

While I certainly wouldn't mind a demo, it still wouldn't really tell me the difference between ARC and Audyssey with my speakers, in my room. Thanks for the offer, though! (I might still take you up on it some time, but my wife and daughter ensure that I don't have a lot of time to spare! biggrin.gif)
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