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post #28531 of 30056
Wish I had a problem requiring bass control !! My room has seating which virtually divides the room in 2, where the half behind the LP is wider than the viewing half. I believe the seats are right in a null around 70 Hz. I haven't checked since I added another sub though. I believe the seating is in a null for most low frequencies, and the 70 is just relative to the others.
post #28532 of 30056
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Originally Posted by goneten View Post

What I'm looking forward to the most is the center. It's flipping expensive now, but I think it'll be worth it despite the fact I won't be watching/listening in a big space.

I agree - for HT the center channel is the most important speaker - it can change your viewing experience. I already have the CC-590 v.4 (and love it) but everyone raves about the CC-690. Since I just upgraded my mains to Signature S4's, my next upgrade will probably be a matching C3 or C5. I mostly listen to music, but it sure would be nice to have matched 3 across the front. Since everyone loves the CC-690 so much and I have a dedicated amp to drive it (one channel 300w / other channel unused or bridged 900w / haven't tried this yet) I am leaning toward saving up some extra money and getting the C5!
post #28533 of 30056
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

the seats are right in a null around 70 Hz

That is a really big sub to have very little bass output at the primary listening position! You've tried moving the sub and there is always a null at the seats? Have you tried that trick of placing the sub at the listening position and then walking around the room to find out where the best bass is and putting the sub there?
post #28534 of 30056
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Originally Posted by mtn-tech View Post

That is a really big sub to have very little bass output at the primary listening position! You've tried moving the sub and there is always a null at the seats? Have you tried that trick of placing the sub at the listening position and then walking around the room to find out where the best bass is and putting the sub there?
When you do that, which direction do you face a forward facing sub? Towards the screen, side or back of room?
post #28535 of 30056
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Originally Posted by pappaduke View Post

When you do that, which direction do you face a forward facing sub? Towards the screen, side or back of room?

Great question, I always had a down firing sub when I did this so it didn't matter. I don't think it will matter, but try facing it the same direction that it will be facing when you move it - try it facing away from the screen and see if you can find a spot in the front of the room where the bass is full but not boomy and move the sub to that spot.

Edit: found a reference to the same question in a "sub crawl" post
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Originally Posted by JHAz View Post

A person could indeed always experiment. Theoretically, at typical sub frequencies, the sub's radiation pattern is close enough to omnidirectional as to not much matter during the crawl, as I understand it. Put it however you can.

Frequent participant Ricci has interesting experiences with subwoofer orientation for measurement purposes with multidriver subs. The differences between mic on the no-speaker side and mic in front of one of the drivers are smaller than "seems" like they should be, but more than zero, so at least at his mic distances, radiation is not perfectly omnidirectional. Of course the fact that the sub is on the ground during testing prevents perfect omnidirectionality, and may even explain some of the difference somehow.

Edited by mtn-tech - 8/8/13 at 3:32pm
post #28536 of 30056
Looking forward to your impressions Civik. wink.gif
post #28537 of 30056
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Originally Posted by goneten View Post

Looking forward to your impressions Civik. wink.gif

http://s1301.photobucket.com/user/civik99si/media/590s_zps6c1d5a45.jpg.html

Gone, I'm pretty happy with the 590s. My room is 14 x 20 ft with the main listening position a couch directly up against the long wall. See above. Directly to the left 5 feet is another wall with a smaller couch perpendicular to the main couch. However, the wall to the right is about 12 feet away. My only real choice was to mount the 590s on the back wall behind the couch, given the disparity in distance to the side walls.

The only surround speakers I've ever owned are the Monitor ADP-190s. They worked well in my prior Millenia setup, but were largely overshadowed by my current front stage (100s, 690 center). The 590s provide noticeably more sound and seem to provide some much needed balance to my setup. For example, my 3 year old loves sharks, so I have naturally seen the shark scenes in Finding Nemo at least 50 times. The 590s sounded much better throughout those scenes compared to the 190s. The surround effects were more pronounced and made the 190s sound muffled. I also rewatched the last couple scenes of Underworld Evolution (another movie I have seen numerous times). Again, a noticeable improvement in sound detail from behind me. I'm pleased with the amount and quality of sound from the 590s in my setup. I think it really helps to have the 590 woofers firing out over my head as well. I have not yet demos the 590s from the smaller couch against the wall to the left in the above photo, but frankly, I'm not that concerned about those seats.

Like you, I had some concerns about getting the 590s because I was unable to mount them on the side walls. However, having heard them on the back wall, I have no regrets. I've made a few equipment upgrades this year that provided little or no improvement in sound. I went from powering my 5.1 setup with my Yamaha RX-V1700 to using the Yamaha as a pre with an XPA-5. I could not tell the difference. I went from Studio 60s to 100s, and noticed very little difference in sound for home theater. Upgrading to the 590s was definitely more worthwhile than either of those upgrades and second only to upgrading my sub.

Let me know if you have any specific questions. Go for the 590s.
post #28538 of 30056
Where did you get the S-4's? They haven't been made in quite a while.
post #28539 of 30056
Been listening to Monitor 11 and 9 v7 but not side by side. The 11 certainly has more base. But if I run a good sub or two, will I see much benefit in the 11 over the 9? Anybody done this evaluation? My room is 20x28 feet. My first thought is bigger is better and the 11 would match the center 3 better. But the thought of saving a few dollars with the 9s is appealing, especially to the wife.
post #28540 of 30056
^^^^^^
I had Monitor 9`s with a CC290 center that I replaced with Monitor7`s & Center 3. They sound great. If you can listen to the the Monitor 11`s &9`s vs the 7`s. You Might be surprised. I am running two subs though.
post #28541 of 30056
I have listened to the 7 and 9 side by side. The 7 was not as full and dynamic at least to me. The 7 seemed a little thin. I need to find the 9 and 11 side by side I guess.
post #28542 of 30056
Anyone go from 100'sV5 to the latest S2's? Pros? Cons? Sidegrade? See sig for my equipment details. Thanks!
post #28543 of 30056
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Originally Posted by Civik99si 
Gone, I'm pretty happy with the 590s. My room is 14 x 20 ft with the main listening position a couch directly up against the long wall. See above. Directly to the left 5 feet is another wall with a smaller couch perpendicular to the main couch. However, the wall to the right is about 12 feet away. My only real choice was to mount the 590s on the back wall behind the couch, given the disparity in distance to the side walls.

The only surround speakers I've ever owned are the Monitor ADP-190s. They worked well in my prior Millenia setup, but were largely overshadowed by my current front stage (100s, 690 center). The 590s provide noticeably more sound and seem to provide some much needed balance to my setup. For example, my 3 year old loves sharks, so I have naturally seen the shark scenes in Finding Nemo at least 50 times. The 590s sounded much better throughout those scenes compared to the 190s. The surround effects were more pronounced and made the 190s sound muffled. I also rewatched the last couple scenes of Underworld Evolution (another movie I have seen numerous times). Again, a noticeable improvement in sound detail from behind me. I'm pleased with the amount and quality of sound from the 590s in my setup. I think it really helps to have the 590 woofers firing out over my head as well. I have not yet demos the 590s from the smaller couch against the wall to the left in the above photo, but frankly, I'm not that concerned about those seats.

Like you, I had some concerns about getting the 590s because I was unable to mount them on the side walls. However, having heard them on the back wall, I have no regrets. I've made a few equipment upgrades this year that provided little or no improvement in sound. I went from powering my 5.1 setup with my Yamaha RX-V1700 to using the Yamaha as a pre with an XPA-5. I could not tell the difference. I went from Studio 60s to 100s, and noticed very little difference in sound for home theater. Upgrading to the 590s was definitely more worthwhile than either of those upgrades and second only to upgrading my sub.

Let me know if you have any specific questions. Go for the 590s.

First of all, thank you very much for this write-up. The way I'm going to mount them will be similar to your set up, so I'm really glad that you seem happy with the results. You've basically put my fears to rest so I'm going to go ahead with an order for the ADP590's. biggrin.gif As for the Emotiva, that sucks. I imagine you probably won't notice much if any difference at lower levels, but if you really stretch the system to its limits on dynamic sections of music/movies, you may notice a difference. But then I'm not sure if you have done this already.

Thanks again for your help and for reassuring me, I really appreciate it.
post #28544 of 30056
Hi peeps. I am looking for a new receiver to blast my Studio 100's - CC690 and Monitor 11's, i was thinking of the new Yamaha Aventage 3020, any others you think would be worth a look/listen to?
I like it loud, this next purchase will have to last a fairly long time after my speaker splurge! It's mainly for music, huge Pink Floyd fan, Any comments welcomed.

Cheers
post #28545 of 30056
I have 2 yamaha receivers and love the sound with music. If I were to replace my HT receiver, it would be replaced with a Denon, but my 2.1 stereo system upstairs is just fine with the yammy.
post #28546 of 30056
Yeah i like my Denon too however, it can't handle the Paradigms, it's shuts down when i crank it :-(
I haven't looked in to the new Denons of late as i read they were class D which i believe to be digital power as opposed to analogue, correct me if i'm wrong here, gently please.
I could only imagine the sound to be a bit cold or harsh....i may be completely wrong, could someone try to explain the difference please?
post #28547 of 30056
Pioneer uses class D amps. As far as I know, Denon does not yet use them in any of their models.

Which model Denon are you using. Aside from insufficient power output, is it meeting your needs? Perhaps you'd be better served by purchasing a separate power amplifier.

I'm using my Denon 3808CI as a pre-amp processor, with an Emotiva XPA-5 powering my speakers. I purchased the XPA-5 as part of an overall upgrade plan.

Here is my reasoning. If your speakers are power hungry and/or you have them in a large space and/or you like to play them very loud, then these conditions may require a very robust power supply. However, when I was considering a newer AVR, the options that had both ample power as well as all of the features I wanted were quite expensive. The other problem is that any of these candidates might still require yet another costly upgrade in a few years time, due to technological advances and features unrelated to the amplifier section. However, when upgrading, a suitable amplifier section is still needed. On the other hand, one can purchase a separate power amplifier (the Emotivas are less costly than a good AVR).

Now, periodic AVR upgrades are still necessary, due to changes in technology and features, but when choosing my next AVR (likely the Denon AVR-X4000) I don't have to worry about whether or not the amplifier section is up to the task, which might push me to a more expensive model (like the 4520CI).
post #28548 of 30056
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Originally Posted by htimseel View Post

Yeah i like my Denon too however, it can't handle the Paradigms, it's shuts down when i crank it :-(
I haven't looked in to the new Denons of late as i read they were class D which i believe to be digital power as opposed to analogue, correct me if i'm wrong here, gently please.
I could only imagine the sound to be a bit cold or harsh....i may be completely wrong, could someone try to explain the difference please?

I highly recommend the Denon X4000 with Audyssey XT32. Get that and then it you find yourself needing more power add an external amp like the Emotiva XPA-5.
post #28549 of 30056
If I were to upgrade my avr, it will be an Anthem MRX, lotsa juice! smile.gif too bad its darn too expensive from where I am frown.gif
post #28550 of 30056
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Originally Posted by Steelheart1948 View Post

Where did you get the S-4's? They haven't been made in quite a while.

I assume this question is for me. I have three Paradigm Reference LCR-450a speakers for the front / center that I bought back in 1998 - great speakers but they are sealed, not very efficient and they had been sitting unused since 2001 as I didn't have a listening room.

Moved this year so I started looking for a nice pair of Studio 40 v4's or Signature S4's as I wanted newer large bookshelf speakers on stands to replace the LCR-450a's. I checked AudioGon, eBay, and USAudioMart every day for 6 months. A few months ago I bought a nice used pair of Studio 40 v4's and then recently saw a brand new pair of S4's on eBay from an audio dealer cleaning out a warehouse and had to have them - now I have way too many Paradigm speakers!
post #28551 of 30056
Was wondering if any frequency measurements could confirm, but do the Studio 20 v5's have a flatter on-axis response compared to the B&W 805D?
post #28552 of 30056
Its been a while since I posted on this Paradigm thread. I'm seeing that there are many happy Studio owners here and you are enjoying your Studio speakers of all shapes and sizes. I'm happy for all of you. I wish that I could afford these speakers but that is not possible.frown.gif

My question for anyone here that could respond is the following:

Has anyone upgraded from Paradigm Monitor 9 (v.5 or v.6) speakers to the Monitor 11 Series 7 speakers? Was there a major improvement in sound (for movies or music)? Could you elaborate on your experiences?

I'm positioning myself to help my brother by donating to him my Monitor 9 v.5 speakers to help him start a home theater set up and then looking for a good price on a pair of Monitor 11 Series 7 speakers.

Thanks everyone and continue to enjoy your paradigm speakers.
Edited by Edllguy - 8/8/13 at 6:51am
post #28553 of 30056
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Originally Posted by mtn-tech View Post

I assume this question is for me. I have three Paradigm Reference LCR-450a speakers for the front / center that I bought back in 1998 - great speakers but they are sealed, not very efficient and they had been sitting unused since 2001 as I didn't have a listening room.

Moved this year so I started looking for a nice pair of Studio 40 v4's or Signature S4's as I wanted newer large bookshelf speakers on stands to replace the LCR-450a's. I checked AudioGon, eBay, and USAudioMart every day for 6 months. A few months ago I bought a nice used pair of Studio 40 v4's and then recently saw a brand new pair of S4's on eBay from an audio dealer cleaning out a warehouse and had to have them - now I have way too many Paradigm speakers!

Thank you for the sources.smile.gif
post #28554 of 30056
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Originally Posted by OllieS 
Was wondering if any frequency measurements could confirm, but do the Studio 20 v5's have a flatter on-axis response compared to the B&W 805D?

Good question. I thought I saw a measurement graph over at Home Theater mag and it showed the 805's aren't terribly flat. But then I'm not sure how flat the Studio 20's are either. Anyone have any idea, comparison-wise?
post #28555 of 30056

the Studio 20s are pretty flat with a very good off axis response.  Many of the B&W are not nearly as flat even the pricier ones.

post #28556 of 30056
Help please.

I have Paradigm Atoms and mounting with the MB-40 mount; but I lost the screws.

How big, how long specifically, should the screw that screw into the back of the speaker be?
post #28557 of 30056
Bump. Anyone?
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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

Its been a while since I posted on this Paradigm thread. I'm seeing that there are many happy Studio owners here and you are enjoying your Studio speakers of all shapes and sizes. I'm happy for all of you. I wish that I could afford these speakers but that is not possible.frown.gif

My question for anyone here that could respond is the following:

Has anyone upgraded from Paradigm Monitor 9 (v.5 or v.6) speakers to the Monitor 11 Series 7 speakers? Was there a major improvement in sound (for movies or music)? Could you elaborate on your experiences?

I'm positioning myself to help my brother by donating to him my Monitor 9 v.5 speakers to help him start a home theater set up and then looking for a good price on a pair of Monitor 11 Series 7 speakers.

Thanks everyone and continue to enjoy your paradigm speakers.
post #28558 of 30056
Not quite what you're asking, but I just upgraded from the 9 v7s to the 11 v7s [long story involving a friend getting the 11s at the 9 price -dealer mistake- and finding them too big for his room] and the improvement was immediately obvious. Greater clarity and depth in the mid-range and bass, for example.

However, putting a dollar value to that improvement is a more difficult calculation. Since I effectively paid the 9 price for the 11s, yes it was worth it even though I had gotten a great discount on the 9s. List on 9s versus list on 11s? Hm....
post #28559 of 30056
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Originally Posted by WMConey View Post

Not quite what you're asking, but I just upgraded from the 9 v7s to the 11 v7s [long story involving a friend getting the 11s at the 9 price -dealer mistake- and finding them too big for his room] and the improvement was immediately obvious. Greater clarity and depth in the mid-range and bass, for example.

However, putting a dollar value to that improvement is a more difficult calculation. Since I effectively paid the 9 price for the 11s, yes it was worth it even though I had gotten a great discount on the 9s. List on 9s versus list on 11s? Hm....

^^^ Thanks
post #28560 of 30056
I have an older system but love the way it sounds.
Studio 100 v3
CC 570 v3
ADP 470 v3
My sub is a HSU VTF3
It is driven with an Emotiva MMC1 preamp, and the awesome MPS2 100x7
May not be the newest but it sounds great.biggrin.gif:)biggrin.gif
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