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post #28621 of 30092
I got a question about older paradigms I hope someone can help with. I have the the phantoms v1 that sound pretty good but seem to be lacking in the mids a bit. Would the 5 or 7se be a noticeable improvement or sound pretty close to the phantoms? Thanks for any help
post #28622 of 30092
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Originally Posted by goneten View Post

Or you have to run yourself in .... wink.gif Congrats on the upgrade.

I tend to agree with this. It took me a while to get used to listening to the S6. Both pre and post calibrating ARC. I knew it was my ears adjusting because the speakers were demos.
post #28623 of 30092
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Originally Posted by jsb75 View Post

I got a question about older paradigms I hope someone can help with. I have the the phantoms v1 that sound pretty good but seem to be lacking in the mids a bit. Would the 5 or 7se be a noticeable improvement or sound pretty close to the phantoms? Thanks for any help

I haven't heard the Phantoms, but I still have my 15 (?) year old Monitor 9's and they still sound great. If your talking about the newer version of the 5 or 7se then I would say there would be an improvement.

Jeff
post #28624 of 30092
No I'm talking about the original se line,trying to stay with the soft dome tweeter. I should of been more clear,but thanks for the reply
post #28625 of 30092
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Originally Posted by bowmah View Post

I am wondering what you think about auto EQ in situations where the main living room is also the HT and at times, there is only 1 place to put a large sub (or even speakers for that matter). From the feedback on this and many other forums, there are those who use their main gear on a daily basis with the family in the living room and there is absolutely no way to put up traps or any sound "containment" gear. What are your comments here?

Like many others, I have a family room that is shared between home theater and other family activities. Worse than that, I have a built in cabinet (attached to the wall) that forces the TV and front speakers into specific locations. To improve surround and back speaker placement, I decided to go with in-wall speakers. I chose a model with back cabinets to keep the walls from influencing the sound of the speakers.

Every room has some different placements for subs if you are willing to make changes. I used my old sub to locate the best spots in the room using my Velodyne SMS-1 mic / tones / response curves. The corner locations had wild peaks and nulls but there are locations against the rear wall that were pretty good. To integrate big subs into the room, I chose smaller couches with tables between them to hide the subs. To even things out, I decided to buy two subs and will experiment with placement to get the best response - then use the parametric EQs and / or the auto EQ to see how good I can get the response. Why not try both and see which works the best?

If I can find a bass traps for the corners that are small enough / good looking enough, I might be able to do some treatments as well. I have already decided that I am going to do some cloth covered treatments for my ceiling first reflection points as well. There are always some compromises in a shared room, but with creative layouts and spending some time on placements I think the results can be improved a lot.
post #28626 of 30092
Paradigm C5 Signature version 3: Width and TV Rack

I am having difficulty locating a TV stand to accommodate the C5.

I would like to have three shelves, a bottom shelf, a center shelf for the C5, and a top shelf for a TV. The maximum overall width has to be no more than 48 inches. The height should be about 24 or 25 inches.

Can anyone recommend a TV stand that fits?

Has anyone had a stand custom built?

What is the width of the Paradigm Signature C5 version 3 measured:
1) between the two outer edges of the grill?
2) measured between the outside edges of the feet?

I called Paradigm and was told that the officially posted width of 37.5 inches does not include the feet. The posted height is the height with the feet.

I called Salamander and tried to configure a Synergy system, but their system does not work (max depth of 18 inches is OK [C5 is 17.5 inches deep], but the midline rear center post limits access to the speaker binding posts).

Thanks!
post #28627 of 30092
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Originally Posted by Hi-Res View Post

Paradigm C5 Signature version 3: Width and TV Rack

I am having difficulty locating a TV stand to accommodate the C5.

I would like to have three shelves, a bottom shelf, a center shelf for the C5, and a top shelf for a TV. The maximum overall width has to be no more than 48 inches. The height should be about 24 or 25 inches.

Can anyone recommend a TV stand that fits?

Has anyone had a stand custom built?

What is the width of the Paradigm Signature C5 version 3 measured:
1) between the two outer edges of the grill?
2) measured between the outside edges of the feet?

I called Paradigm and was told that the officially posted width of 37.5 inches does not include the feet. The posted height is the height with the feet.

I called Salamander and tried to configure a Synergy system, but their system does not work (max depth of 18 inches is OK [C5 is 17.5 inches deep], but the midline rear center post limits access to the speaker binding posts).

Thanks!

Have you tried Standout Designs? Even if they don't have a suitable design they may customize one for you. They may all be too wide for you.
http://www.standoutdesigns.com

I have the Horizon XL with the C3, but I do not use the outriggers. There are smaller rubber feet on the speaker, so it is already isolated.
Edited by Tank_PD - 8/26/13 at 6:40pm
post #28628 of 30092
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Originally Posted by Hi-Res View Post

Paradigm C5 Signature version 3: Width and TV Rack

I am having difficulty locating a TV stand to accommodate the C5.

I would like to have three shelves, a bottom shelf, a center shelf for the C5, and a top shelf for a TV. The maximum overall width has to be no more than 48 inches. The height should be about 24 or 25 inches.

Can anyone recommend a TV stand that fits?

Has anyone had a stand custom built?

What is the width of the Paradigm Signature C5 version 3 measured:
1) between the two outer edges of the grill?
2) measured between the outside edges of the feet?

I called Paradigm and was told that the officially posted width of 37.5 inches does not include the feet. The posted height is the height with the feet.

I called Salamander and tried to configure a Synergy system, but their system does not work (max depth of 18 inches is OK [C5 is 17.5 inches deep], but the midline rear center post limits access to the speaker binding posts).

Thanks!

I have a Salamander Synergy system with a C5. 3 x 20"x20" x20" modules with an 11" Riser. All my components are in the 20' modules with the C5 in the 60" wide shelf with my plasma on top of it.

My C5 is 9" H 17" D 37" W

If you would like a picture, I can PM you.

This is my system without the 11" Riser...http://www.thesimpletvstandstore.com/p-6036-.aspx?utm_source=google&utm_medium=PLA&utm_term=SAL10113&gclid=CK610avdnLkCFUZyQgodvFUAew#

And the riser: http://www.thesimpletvstandstore.com/p-6124-salamander-designs-slr-synergy-triple-riser.aspx
post #28629 of 30092
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Originally Posted by falconxr6 View Post

Upgraded today to a pair of Piano Black Signature S6's (replacing studio 100V5's) to match my Signature C5 also in piano black. I'm using an emotive XPA-3 to drive these and have 2 SVS SB13 Ultra sealed Subs hence why I went with the 6's. The Denon AVR-4520 drives the rears and 2/3 zones. Now just got to run these babies in!

Very nice! I really wanted a pair of Paradigm Signature S6 v.3's (even went to demo them) but I don't have enough room for them - I had to go with the Paradigm Signature S4 v.2 on stands. Now I am looking for a nice used C5 v.2 to match to replace my Studio CC-590 v.4 center. How does the system sound? I would love to see a picture to see how you have them configured!
post #28630 of 30092
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Originally Posted by Hi-res 
Paradigm C5 Signature version 3: Width and TV Rack

I am having difficulty locating a TV stand to accommodate the C5.

I would like to have three shelves, a bottom shelf, a center shelf for the C5, and a top shelf for a TV. The maximum overall width has to be no more than 48 inches. The height should be about 24 or 25 inches.

Can anyone recommend a TV stand that fits?

Pics or it never happened. biggrin.gif
post #28631 of 30092
How many of you are using a pair of Signatures for mains and a Studio series center speaker? Just wondering whether or not it's a good idea to mix these two different series of speakers up front.
post #28632 of 30092
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Originally Posted by steady teddy View Post

How many of you are using a pair of Signatures for mains and a Studio series center speaker? Just wondering whether or not it's a good idea to mix these two different series of speakers up front.

That's what I have right now - Signature S4 v.2 mains and a Studio CC-590 v.4 center.

Before I got the Signatures, I had my old Paradigm LCR-450 v.1 mains (2-way / sealed box) and they didn't sound like the the Studio CC-590 center speaker at all. Now, the mains and center match very well and there is no timber change when sound (movie or test tones) moves from one speaker to the next. I'm very happy with what I have especially since I mostly listen to music. That said, I would love to upgrade that center channel to a Signature C5 v.2 with the BE tweeter to match my brand new Signature S4's. I am more interested in the larger center speaker than having them all from the same series so I might even consider a Studio CC-690 as an upgrade.
post #28633 of 30092
Hey gang, this CL ad does not state the models or versions of the fronts, center or paradigm sub. Can anyone tell just by looking at the photos?

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/bnc/ele/4029161590.html
post #28634 of 30092
The Paradigm towers look like original Monitor 5s from circa 1998.
post #28635 of 30092
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Originally Posted by whitey019 View Post

The Paradigm towers look like original Monitor 5s from circa 1998.

Thanks for the info. I was thinking they may be Mon 7's but I think those were slightly taller. The sub looks like the PS-1000 V1? Maybe the center is a CC-150?
post #28636 of 30092
Quick question if anyone can chime in... I'm wondering if I'm being fair with the price I'm asking for my Monitor Series speakers.

Monitor 7 v.1 towers
CC-370 v.2 center
ADP-170 v.2 dipole rears / surrounds

All are in immaculate condition (black). I'm asking $500 for all.

Not trying to sell them here in the thread or anything. I'm just wondering if I'm in the ballpark.

Thanks.
post #28637 of 30092
For those in the know, $400-$500 would be a great price to pay for a surround set up like the one you posted. It should still sound great. But you have age against you. Once users find out the year of manufacture of these, they may not want to fork out the $500. This is understandable.

Keep it and enjoy them?
post #28638 of 30092
I would, but I have two full sets of speakers at the moment (the Paradigms and some NHT's). I've got both sets listed and will happily keep either The Paradigms ARE older, but they're perfect and sound fantastic.

Thanks... just wanted to check and see if I wasn't out of line with what I'm asking.
post #28639 of 30092
Anyone in the market for a pair of Signature S8s, a C5 and ADPs feel free to PM me. I have a full set of V2s that I'm putting up for sale. All mint condition.
post #28640 of 30092
Got a few like new ads on A-gon right now for Paradigm -

https://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-paradigm-studio-5-channel-setup-v5-like-new-piano-black-complete-built-in-july-2013-6-2013-08-30-speakers-13850-vestal-ny

https://app.audiogon.com/listings/monitors-paradigm-studio-10-v5-brand-new-sealed-never-opened-piano-black-pair-2013-08-30-speakers-13850-vestal-ny


ALL are only a week old and are V5 Studios. 10s, 20s, CC590, and 60s too. Piano black. Mint with all orig. accessories and boxes. Will ship on a pallet, or deliver or meet up to ~300-400 miles.
post #28641 of 30092
Just finished setting up my new pair of signature s6s. I got them off Canuck audio mart for what I feel was an insane price. I am sure of our Canadian
Avs followers probably seen the ad.they are as the seller claimed, when I was auditioning them I wanted to check out those beryllium tweeters, and to my surprise the grills had never once removed. Right now I am using one of my millenia ones as my centre Channel and it looks sort of goofy kind of like a smart car parked between two hummers. They sound exquisite and I could not be happier.
post #28642 of 30092
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Originally Posted by TVMAN1991 View Post

Got a few like new ads on A-gon right now for Paradigm -

https://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-paradigm-studio-5-channel-setup-v5-like-new-piano-black-complete-built-in-july-2013-6-2013-08-30-speakers-13850-vestal-ny

https://app.audiogon.com/listings/monitors-paradigm-studio-10-v5-brand-new-sealed-never-opened-piano-black-pair-2013-08-30-speakers-13850-vestal-ny


ALL are only a week old and are V5 Studios. 10s, 20s, CC590, and 60s too. Piano black. Mint with all orig. accessories and boxes. Will ship on a pallet, or deliver or meet up to ~300-400 miles.

To use these 3 speakers with existing subs, surrounds, front wides, should they all be wired with the same polarity? This is not to be confused with phase. If the subs push out with a positive signal should the mains, CC, and surrounds (woofers only) also push out?

These seem priced to sell fast.
post #28643 of 30092
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Originally Posted by ingersol1211 View Post

Just finished setting up my new pair of signature s6s. I got them off Canuck audio mart for what I feel was an insane price. I am sure of our Canadian
Avs followers probably seen the ad.they are as the seller claimed, when I was auditioning them I wanted to check out those beryllium tweeters, and to my surprise the grills had never once removed. Right now I am using one of my millenia ones as my centre Channel and it looks sort of goofy kind of like a smart car parked between two hummers. They sound exquisite and I could not be happier.
I saw this ad - they were priced very well. Had they been in Ontario I would have jumped on them. Excellent find - enjoy!
post #28644 of 30092
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Originally Posted by BobL View Post

  You are correct most calibrators do not like the auto EQ systems in receivers/processors and can do a MUCH better job than with decent measurement equipment and a parametric EQ.  But, not everyone is going to pay for a calibration and we have to deal with everyday systems as well and still want to provide good sound.  I wish I could tell you that I worked on dedicated home theaters everyday but that is just not reality.  So, if I have to use the auto EQ systems I like to know their capabilities and weaknesses.
 
  Calibration like real estate starts with location, location, location and location.  Location of seating, speakers, sub(s) and acoustic treatments.  In most non-dedicated spaces acoustic treatments are not common and in most cases they are not going to happen.  The other thing we don’t see too often in non-dedicated spaces is multiple subs.
 
  The average person tends to want good sound in their primary seat and decent sound in the other seating areas.  We can usually do the first and depending on their placement of seating maybe the second.  Sometimes you have to accept that there are going to be cheap seats.
 
  It is arguable that getting the sub set up correctly is the single biggest improvement one is going to make in their system.  Here is an area the auto EQs typically do not do a good job.  It is not that some of them aren’t capable, they have plenty of processing power.  But, they have no idea what is going on in the room with the limited measurements they take.  The times I have found where these auto EQs can improve the sound somewhat is when is when the placements are decent to start.  You can’t polish a turd so to speak and you might even make it worse trying.  There are enough professional studies as well as user experiences about some preferring the EQ and others not.  The fact is they don’t work well in every situation.
 
  As I said it all starts with location.  NONE of these auto systems can tell you move your sub to left or move your seat forward a foot and you will get much better sound.  This is where you need to see the measurements and experiment with getting the placements correct.
 
  Let’s use a Paradigm Monitor system as an example.  Is pairing it with an ID sub of ~$1000 going to give you more capability then let’s say the Monitor 12?  For shear output, Yes.  But, is that output needed?
 
  First how loud do you listen?  Second can your speakers keep up with the sub at normal listening distances in an average size room?  The Monitor series is not going to keep up with some of the ID brands like the PSA sub you mentioned by its specs.  I haven’t used it.   Having a sub that can hit 120db with speakers that may only hit 100db is not a good match.  I have seen this many times with people that buy a monster sub and pair it with modest speakers.
 Running the subs hot is an amateur move and hurts sound quality.  Using a car analogyJ  It is like trying to have a conversation in a Dodge Viper while revving the engine.  You are going to have to scream to converse with the other person.  In the HT world you are going to have to turn up the volume to hear dialogue and you will mask the more subtle sounds by running the sub hot.  I do believe some low frequency boost at low volume levels can help because of the equal loudness curve where we don’t hear low frequencies well at low volumes.  Some processors have the capability to do this already.
 
   You can also cripple your ID subs capabilities by having to turn the volume on it down to match the speakers.  I’m not talking about setting the levels in the processor, I’m talking about having to turn the volume down on the sub itself because the processor can only compensate so much.  Then comes the question of linearity.  Is that sub now linear and still match the speaker levels when you change the volume?
 
  Now, if an enthusiast wants to buy some calibration equipment for <$200 (true RTA, REW, etc.) and spend the time to learn it they can obtain much better results and they will be able to manually EQ their system or maximize their auto EQ system.  They also can go with a less expensive ID sub within their capabilities.   But for the person not willing to go to this level might benefit from a system like PBK and a ~ 1/2 hour of time.  As with other area of HT it really depends on the situation.
 

Bob - before you calibrate, with any method, auto or manual, should you not make sure fundamental things like polarity are correct? If your sub or subs are wire to the standard that positive pushes out, shouldn't you also ensure your woofers (not mids or tweeters) for your left, right, speakers also push out?
post #28645 of 30092
Hey guys, just wanted to give a little shout out to Paradigm owners - my first real HT system back in the day was some Studio Ref 40v2's, 20v2's and a v3 center (the smaller one). Gave up on HT and went to 2-channel only with some Focal Electra 906s, then Dynaudio Contour S3.4s, then Confidence C1's (current).

Just acquired a pair of brand new piano black Studio Ref 10's for a good price for use in an upcoming bedroom system. Hooked them up today to my main system to test out. The sound is fantastic for the price, and as always, suitably impressed with the value from Paradigm. The build quality has increased significantly since my Studio Ref v2's - the fit and finish on these are awesome. Got a demo pair of WireWorld Orbit 16/4 bi-wire for cheap and going to be using that with these. I'm just awaiting delivery of the yet-to-be-released Olive One Music Player, which will drive these 10's.

Here are some pics. Running them now for test with Meitner MA-1 DAC and Octave V70SE tube amp, Nordost Tyr interconnects and Nordost Frey2/Brahma power cable. The sound out of these is pretty darn good for $750.



post #28646 of 30092
I've had a hard time tracking down a CC590 V5 off the used market. Is $500 a good price for a used V4? Is the Timbre a good match with Studio 20 v5s? What do you guys think.
Edited by 1080pee - 9/5/13 at 2:58pm
post #28647 of 30092
I've been running a CC-490 V5 along with Studio 40 V4 mains (and have also used Studio 20 V4 mains with this centre), and they match just fine, in my opinion. Not quite the same situation as you described, but similar.
post #28648 of 30092
Except for the better cabinets in the v5 design, you'd be hard pressed to hear a difference in the v4 and v5 Studios.
post #28649 of 30092
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Originally Posted by RHMMMM View Post

Hey guys, just wanted to give a little shout out to Paradigm owners - my first real HT system back in the day was some Studio Ref 40v2's, 20v2's and a v3 center (the smaller one). Gave up on HT and went to 2-channel only with some Focal Electra 906s, then Dynaudio Contour S3.4s, then Confidence C1's (current).

Just acquired a pair of brand new piano black Studio Ref 10's for a good price for use in an upcoming bedroom system. Hooked them up today to my main system to test out. The sound is fantastic for the price, and as always, suitably impressed with the value from Paradigm. The build quality has increased significantly since my Studio Ref v2's - the fit and finish on these are awesome. Got a demo pair of WireWorld Orbit 16/4 bi-wire for cheap and going to be using that with these. I'm just awaiting delivery of the yet-to-be-released Olive One Music Player, which will drive these 10's.

Here are some pics. Running them now for test with Meitner MA-1 DAC and Octave V70SE tube amp, Nordost Tyr interconnects and Nordost Frey2/Brahma power cable. The sound out of these is pretty darn good for $750.




Hey, you bought those from me!! I hope your enjoying them smile.gif

Thanks,

Dave
post #28650 of 30092
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Originally Posted by Saril View Post

before you calibrate, with any method, auto or manual, should you not make sure fundamental things like polarity are correct?

Of course. You should do this regardless if you are calibrating or not. It should always be the first step in the setup of any speaker system to ensure that the bass response isn't being sabotaged by a speaker wired with reversed polarity (out of phase). It is usually sufficient to make sure that all speakers are wired positive to positive and negative to negative. If everything was wired correctly it would be very unusual to have an out of phase speaker - that would mean one of the components or one of the speakers was inverting the signal.

This is very easily checked by using a bass heavy recording and using the balance control to make sure you have twice the bass when both speakers are playing. If the bass increases when a speaker is turned down then you have a problem. Making sure the drivers all "push out" is a question of "absolute phase", which most people don't believe makes a difference.
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