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post #28651 of 30067
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Originally Posted by mtn-tech View Post

Of course. You should do this regardless if you are calibrating or not. It should always be the first step in the setup of any speaker system to ensure that the bass response isn't being sabotaged by a speaker wired with reversed polarity (out of phase). It is usually sufficient to make sure that all speakers are wired positive to positive and negative to negative. If everything was wired correctly it would be very unusual to have an out of phase speaker - that would mean one of the components or one of the speakers was inverting the signal.

This is very easily checked by using a bass heavy recording and using the balance control to make sure you have twice the bass when both speakers are playing. If the bass increases when a speaker is turned down then you have a problem. Making sure the drivers all "push out" is a question of "absolute phase", which most people don't believe makes a difference.

Even though the standard is positive signal causes outward movement of driver, not all manufacturers follow it. The easiest way to check this is with a 9v battery. Absolute phase means that the signal follows the signal of the original recording, i.e., if the voice pushes the diaphragm of the microphone inwards, the speaker will follow with an outward motion.

Relative polarity on the other hand is how the drivers of a total system operate relative to each other. The left and right vs. the center and subs, etc. Also, it is common for a manufacturer to have the woofer and tweeter wired at opposite polarity intentionally for coherency at the crossovers. My comments are directed at the woofers of the LCD, RC, CC, subs, etc.

In my situation, all my speakers pushed out on the positive battery test, except for the left and right channels. The left and right channels were identical to each other but opposite to the CC and subs, etc. In other words, my subs were pushing out on a positive signal while the LC & RC were pulling in. If the LC and RC were the only 2 speakers I had, this would not be a problem at all - I can not hear the absolute polarity difference some claim they hear. However, when these speakers are part of a 5.2 system that follows the positive standard, that's when the adverse affect of opposite polarity can be realized.
post #28652 of 30067
Usually Paradigm will announce ahead of a Cedia or CES that they are going to show a new line......come on......it is less than three weeks to go. Anyone here have the details yet ...I am very impatient.
post #28653 of 30067
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Originally Posted by Hi-Res View Post

Paradigm C5 Signature version 3: Width and TV Rack

I am having difficulty locating a TV stand to accommodate the C5.

I would like to have three shelves, a bottom shelf, a center shelf for the C5, and a top shelf for a TV. The maximum overall width has to be no more than 48 inches. The height should be about 24 or 25 inches.

Can anyone recommend a TV stand that fits?

Has anyone had a stand custom built?

What is the width of the Paradigm Signature C5 version 3 measured:
1) between the two outer edges of the grill?
2) measured between the outside edges of the feet?

I called Paradigm and was told that the officially posted width of 37.5 inches does not include the feet. The posted height is the height with the feet.

I called Salamander and tried to configure a Synergy system, but their system does not work (max depth of 18 inches is OK [C5 is 17.5 inches deep], but the midline rear center post limits access to the speaker binding posts).

Thanks!

I bought the Salamander Designs Synergy low-boy stand with the integrated TV mount. It didn't fit the C5 the way I wanted because the mount braces forced me to move it several inches forward so the grill overhangs the cabinet. Other than that I've been happy with it.







post #28654 of 30067
Wow!!! That set up looks serious!

Just got my feet wet with my first set of paradigms

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Paradigm Porn!! I like it
post #28656 of 30067
I've got more Paradigm porn that's NSFW (Not Safe For Wife) where those came from.








Edited by mbfleming - 9/7/13 at 9:28pm
post #28657 of 30067
Some SUB1 photos!





post #28658 of 30067
Tuck then stand up
post #28659 of 30067
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Originally Posted by mbfleming View Post

I've got more Paradigm porn that's NSFW (Not Safe For Wife) where those came from.

That is one sexy, sexy looking system! Can you list out all your components there so that we can all drool appropriately?
post #28660 of 30067
I put most of this system together three years ago in 2010. I haven't had any urge to upgrade the speakers, as my friend said recently "I haven't heard the limit of your speakers, but I've heard the limit of your room". smile.gif

My next upgrades will likely be for 4K, OLED and HDMI 2.0

Here's what I have now:

Paradigm S8 (x2)
Paradigm C5
Paradigm ADP3 (x4)
Paradigm SUB2
Panasonic TCP54V10
Panasonic DMP-BDT220
Anthem MRX-700
ButtKicker Wireless Kit (x2)
WDTV Live
AppleTV 720p
Acer Veriton N282G with XBMC 12.2
SageTV client-server system
Motorola DCT6200 (x3)
Hauppauge HD PVR (x3)
SageTV HD200 (x2)
Pace DC758D
Asus P5Q with 30 hard disks

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Edited by mbfleming - 9/8/13 at 10:03am
post #28661 of 30067
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Originally Posted by mbfleming View Post

I put most of this system together three years ago in 2010. I haven't had any urge to upgrade the speakers, as my friend said recently "I haven't heard the limit of your speakers, but I've heard the limit of your room". smile.gif

My next upgrades will likely be for 4K, OLED and HDMI 2.0

Here's what I have now:

Paradigm S8 (x2)
Paradigm C5
Paradigm ADP3 (x4)
Paradigm SUB2
Panasonic TCP54V10
Panasonic DMP-BDT220
Anthem MRX-700
ButtKicker Wireless Kit (x2)
WDTV Live
AppleTV 720p
Acer Veriton N282G with XBMC 12.2
SageTV client-server system
Motorola DCT6200 (x3)
Hauppauge HD PVR (x3)
SageTV HD200 (x2)
Pace DC758D
Asus P5Q with 30 hard disks

You running those off the MRX directly? I'm thinking of going that direction with the new Anthem MRXs about to come out. I have S6|C3 and a single pair of ADP3. I may just get the MRX710 and sell my amp.
post #28662 of 30067
Yes, the MRX 700 has plenty of power to drive the Signature speakers. It would be smart to wait for the MRX 710 so you get more HDMI inputs.
post #28663 of 30067
Hey mb... nice stuff but question...
Do your subs "pop" at turn on?
I have a Paradigm DSP3400 14" sub as my primary subwoofer for my home theater.
I love the beast but decided to try to even out the room by adding a second sub.
Against advice I went ahead and added a different size and model.
This is a 10" downfiring Paradigm SE Sub and it sounds great in the room.
The problem is that the big sub powers on totally silently but the newer small sub makes an annoying "pop" when it turns on.
Is it an inferior amp design?
Is it the longer cable?
Does anyone know of a solution for this?
I am electrically adept and not afraid of soldering or opening up the amp.
Thanks.
post #28664 of 30067
I don't have the SUB 1 anymore, but my SUB2 makes a small pop when it turns on while there's an audio signal. I noticed this immediately after I upgraded to the Anthem MRX 700 receiver from my former Pioneer Elite receiver. The Pioneer receiver never had the problem.
post #28665 of 30067
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Originally Posted by mbfleming View Post

I don't have the SUB 1 anymore, but my SUB2 makes a small pop when it turns on while there's an audio signal. I noticed this immediately after I upgraded to the Anthem MRX 700 receiver from my former Pioneer Elite receiver. The Pioneer receiver never had the problem.

P.S. Google "soft start amplifier circuit" for some background on the problem.
post #28666 of 30067
Actually I am running off a Pioneer Elite at the moment. One sub thuds, one doesn't.
post #28667 of 30067
Question: I have a v3 signature setup I am currently using and enjoy very much. It consists of 2 s6's, c3 center, and adp1's for surround. I am looking into possibly selling them and buying V2 s8's, c5 center, and adp3's for a little extra cash on my end. I am just wanting to make sure I am not losing out on much from my v3's to v2's? My assumption is the larger speakers will more than makeup for the difference but I wanted to check with the experts first. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
post #28668 of 30067
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Originally Posted by Switchride View Post

Question: I have a v3 signature setup I am currently using and enjoy very much. It consists of 2 s6's, c3 center, and adp1's for surround. I am looking into possibly selling them and buying V2 s8's, c5 center, and adp3's for a little extra cash on my end. I am just wanting to make sure I am not losing out on much from my v3's to v2's? My assumption is the larger speakers will more than makeup for the difference but I wanted to check with the experts first. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

I would only do this if you are seriously strapped for whatever cash difference there may be. I've read the V3 S6 is as strong as the V2 S8 was in the bass department. The S2|S6|S8 are voiced identically and really only offer more low-end extension when you move up the line. Also, keep in mind a brand new v3 S6 now costs $3300, something like $3500 in piano black --$7K for the pair. This may be more than the V2 S8 was new, but it is certainly more than the V1 S8 ever was new.
post #28669 of 30067
I was actually going to pay the extra on my end in the transaction. I thought I could sell my setup for ~$7200 and the v2 setup is $8000 so I would pay the $800 difference. I thought getting the larger center at least would have been worth the trade if the difference between the v2 and v3 was not that big and the center speaker stand is included. It sounds like I may be better off just staying with my current gear though based on your reccomendation. Thank you for your advice, any other opinions?
post #28670 of 30067
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Originally Posted by Switchride View Post

I was actually going to pay the extra on my end in the transaction. I thought I could sell my setup for ~$7200 and the v2 setup is $8000 so I would pay the $800 difference. I thought getting the larger center at least would have been worth the trade if the difference between the v2 and v3 was not that big and the center speaker stand is included. It sounds like I may be better off just staying with my current gear though based on your reccomendation. Thank you for your advice, any other opinions?

Wow, you would end paying more in this deal --I really do not think that would be a good deal, but am curious what others may think. Mostly because I don't think the v2 speakers are worth what you are being quoted. You will have to track down what the V2 speakers cost --they should not appreciate with V3 prices. Paradigm now has current prices on their website so you can see the list (Thankfully). And remember Piano Black is like $200-300 more per speaker.
post #28671 of 30067
Piano black for the v2 S8 was nearly $1K more. And he is talking about buying a set of 5 speakers for $8K, not just a pair of v2 S8's. That would be less than 50% of the entire package. The S8v2 in my room played flat to about 21 Hz with usable response into the high teens. My S6's would get to about low 30's. You can't make up for surface area with an improved surround, only tighten up the distortion. The C5 is also substantially different than the C3 in both mid-bass and low bass performance and ultimately is the most important speaker in a surround sound setup.
post #28672 of 30067
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

Piano black for the v2 S8 was nearly $1K more. And he is talking about buying a set of 5 speakers for $8K, not just a pair of v2 S8's. That would be less than 50% of the entire package. The S8v2 in my room played flat to about 21 Hz with usable response into the high teens. My S6's would get to about low 30's. You can't make up for surface area with an improved surround, only tighten up the distortion. The C5 is also substantially different than the C3 in both mid-bass and low bass performance and ultimately is the most important speaker in a surround sound setup.

His current speakers all together have an MSRP of at least $12800 and he said he could get $7200 for them. What was the MSRP of that v2 package? I'm saying he should do some math / research and see if the depreciation seems fair.

This might be a good guess of the original cost - 16K and the guy is asking 8K. So his version 3 has depreciated by nearly the same dollar amount as a version 2?
http://www.hometheater.com/floorloudspeakers/paradigm_reference_signature_s8_speaker_system/

Here is a review of the v3 S6 where he does make some comparisons to the v2 S8. I would not trade v3 for v2 of a larger speaker size at this point in the product cycle.
http://www.soundstagexperience.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=112:paradigm-reference-signature-s6-v3-loudspeakers&catid=38:equipment&Itemid=2
post #28673 of 30067
Probably a good guess, note who wrote the Home Theater review. wink.gif
post #28674 of 30067
The soundstage review is comparing to the original S8, not the v2. The original doesn't have the berylium tweeter or cobalt mid range. It is almost an entirely different speaker than even the v2. He talks about the S8's extension into the lower bass region but says it was loose, which is anything but the experience I have with the S8s. He also talks about the differences in the upper end, which should be considerable given the difference in materials used.
post #28675 of 30067
First off I get settled in for a comparison between the Atoms and Titans. Well, all I can say is they sounded vastly inferior to the Titans. It must be that they are lacking in bass? I'm no expert but there is no way I could be happy with them.248f78
Next was an A/B comparison between the Titans and the Mini-monitors. IMHO there is a huge step up in performance going to the Minis. I am forced to spend at least the 'monitor level' now. Should've stayed home...
Wanting to hear an A/B comparison between the Minis and Studio 20 was gonna be hard since the 20's were kept in a separate room. 'No problem', the sales guy said. He went and got them with the stands and wired them up. Nothing like working hard to extract those extra duckets. Anyway, there is a definate improvement going from the Minis to 20's, although the I could be happy with the Minis, and the jump wasn't as drastic as going from the Titans to Minis (which was Drastic). However, I don't want to be yearning to upgrade like everyone else on this forum, so I think I'm going with the Reference line. No one seems happy with the 370 on here (from my limiting reading here) and they seem to eventually upgrade to a 470 or 570, so thats another reason to go Reference rather than Monitor line.smile.gif
Edited by xjowxw - 9/12/13 at 8:38am
post #28676 of 30067
Hello Paradigm experts.

Just posting on this forum because I'm in need of some help. I've had a full set of Paradigm studios for a few months now and while I really like them for music and dynamics in movies the one thing I just can't get right is voices! It's not on all sources typically on TV watching and video games, its pretty good. Most blu rays are ok too. But every now and then I'll run across a movie where the voices sound very bad. I know some recordings are just bad to begin with and that's what I thought I was running into but some of the worst offenders are highly regarded Blurays. I first noticed this on the movie Gladiator when certain people talked their voice sounded boomy and the center seemed to distort slightly, the next movie I noticed this on was Zero Dark Thirty again voices sounded boomy/chesty especially the voice of the main character's partner towards the start of the movie. Both of these movies drove me nuts cause otherwise the soundtrack sounded great. But then the worst of the worst came up when I watched Brave. Yes the near reference quality movie that is Brave sounds bad on my center with Meridas voice. I don't know why but the center keeps over emphasing her voice and it sounds like the speaker distorts ever so slightly.

I don't know what the reason for this is and I've tried A LOT of stuff to fix it. It's just frustrating to have spent so much money on getting "reference" quality stuff when I know my old speakers never had this problem (granted they didn't sound as good during the good stuff either).

My equipment is listed below:
Marantz AV8801
Emotiva XPR - 5
Oppo-103 (audioquest carbon between oppo and 8801)
Paradigm Studio 100 V5
Paradigm Studio CC-690 V5
Paradigm ADP-590
2 JBL L8400p subs

Steps I've already taken -
1. Put up acoustic panels.
2. Upgraded bluray player from PS3 to Oppo (I was told by dealer where I bought my center it could be my PS3)
3. Added audioquest hdmi just in case that had a problem
4. Bought boom mic for Audyssey and used that multiple times
5. Even bought new speaker cables (anti-cables for LCR)
6. Since I have an open finished basement as my "Media Room" someone on a different forum suggested I try a more powerful amp then the Emotiva XPA 5 I had so I purchased the XPR -5. The new amp helped what sounded good sound better, but still had the same problem.
7. Installed 3 dedicated 20 AMP outlets for all my gear.

Last night I spent 4 hrs trying different setting on the processor audyssey on, off, audyssey flat, home theater eq on, off, different center channel crossover settings, etc. all with Brave and the same scene over and over. All different combinations of settings still had Meridas voice sound boomy. The only thing that made it sound better was...lowering the volume. That sort of defeats the purpose. Also don't get me wrong I had the volume set between -15 and -10 not at 0, all volumes sounded bad. It was only at -25 that it started to sound ok, but then everything else was low.

Anyway does anyone have any suggestions? My problem seems to be the center which seems crazy to me considering how well regarded the CC-690 is. Could it possibly be that I just have sensative hearing? Is my room just too big? Do I not have enough power (400 watts already!). Or is it something else?
post #28677 of 30067
Definitely not a power issue. The fact that someone had to upgrade to the XPR is hilarious. You didn't mention what you have your speakers set to (large or small). If you have them set to small what crossover setting?

I have a similar setup with the 690, an XT32 capable receiver running as a pre/pro with an XPA-5 amp. I've watched both those movies and they both sounded awesome. They both also sounded awesome when I had my Marantz AV-7005 with MultEQ XT.
post #28678 of 30067
I set all my speakers to small. Audyssey sets the LCR to full range but I set the Center to 80hz and the fronts to 60.

As crazy as this sounds the only explanation I can come to is whether this could be an acoustic issue with the room itself, or possibly the tv stand the speaker is on? I'll see if I can post a picture of the room later today when I get home.
post #28679 of 30067
ninja,


This sounds a little like a problem that I had with a CC-290 that I used to have. My issue is described here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1364571/help-centre-channel-paradigm-monitor-cc-290-v5-doesnt-sound-right-after-i-moved

It never sounded "boomy", mind you, but the distortion that you describe with the female voice from Brave sounds like the issue I was having. The trouble was that it was only with certain voices in certain program material. It made the issue very difficult to pin down. When I took it to my dealer to diagnose, it took two weeks before they hit on something that produced the distortion I was describing. In the end, they replaced the tweeter/mid-range module and it was all good after that.
post #28680 of 30067
My daughter knocked over my Rosenut Studio 60 and scratched the side. Does Paradigm sell any kind of touch up stain for the Rosenut finish?
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