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post #28741 of 30096
I've just been offered $500 for my studio 20v4's. Should I accept or counter offer at $600? I have them listed for $700. Again not desperate to sell, but trying to gauge what is a fair/good price. I feel that $500 is too low
post #28742 of 30096
I'm not really that competent to answer you question but, I have one of my own. I'm looking fir a pair of Studio 20s for my office at the university (got to have good audio everywhere!). How different are the v4s to the v5s? I see the different design. Did they go to a beryllium tweeter and with the v5s?
post #28743 of 30096
I would love to have some Sig8's, they are just too deep and big for my bedroom setup, Used to have the Klipsh RF7'S. My Sig2's do a great job in my bedoom without hogging too much space.
post #28744 of 30096
I think cabinet design and x-over. I don't know off the top I my head. No BE tweeter on either of them.
Edited by porschetech - 9/22/13 at 5:09pm
post #28745 of 30096
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Originally Posted by CHASLS2 View Post

I would love to have some Sig8's, they are just too deep and big for my bedroom setup, Used to have the Klipsh RF7'S. My Sig2's do a great job in my bedoom without hogging too much space.

Bedroom?? That's way above average for a bedroom setup
post #28746 of 30096
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Originally Posted by biggar View Post

I'm not really that competent to answer you question but, I have one of my own. I'm looking fir a pair of Studio 20s for my office at the university (got to have good audio everywhere!). How different are the v4s to the v5s? I see the different design. Did they go to a beryllium tweeter and with the v5s?

Yup that's right no BE Tweeter in either. I am hopeful that we can have a V.6 Studio 20 introduced on Wednesday this week.............in other words I hope you will need to ask the question again....and I want the answer to be YES.......BE Tweeter is in the new Studio 20 V.6!!
post #28747 of 30096
Hopefully, if they release a v6 then the v5s will plummet in price. I'm ready - or rather, my office is ready.
post #28748 of 30096
Never did get around to replacing my fronts as I planned.. Life...

Now I see there's someone in town selling Monitor 7 v.3's for $200..

Decent deal?

For another $250 and taxes I could get the new v.7's.. (I know, slippery slope).

PS, Why ARE the new ones so much cheaper? I hope it's not from using cheaper components..

Thanks!

Here's what I have now:

Receiver: Onkyo TX-SR876

15 year old Paradigm Reference for other speakers.

(center: LCR-450a, surrounds: ADP-450, sub: PW-2200)

Fronts are some ancient Sound Dynamic towers..

I use my set up 95% HT, 5% music.

Thanks!
Edited by lazysack - 9/23/13 at 7:41pm
post #28749 of 30096
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Originally Posted by CHASLS2 View Post

I wonder how they (Signature S4 v.2) would compare to my Sig2 v3's?

I love the way that the Studio 20's and Signature S2's sound - amazing soundstage and balanced sound - there is just something magical about those speakers. I really love 2-way speakers so its no surprise that I like them a lot. I've never heard the Signature S2 v.3 with the better mid-bass driver - that was my only concern with the smaller 2-way speakers. I worried that my love of movies and music with a lot of impact might overwhelm the S2's - but I'm sure that the new drivers in the S2 v.3 can play a lot louder. They have almost twice the excursion as the v.2 but the S4 v.2 has another whole driver dedicated to filling that low end. I would love to A/B them - I bet that I would have a hard time deciding which one I liked more!
post #28750 of 30096
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Originally Posted by porschetech View Post

I've just been offered $500 for my studio 20v4's. Should I accept or counter offer at $600? I have them listed for $700. Again not desperate to sell, but trying to gauge what is a fair/good price. I feel that $500 is too low
I paid about $900 for my Studio 40 v.4s in black ash - they are harder to find than Studio 20's but that $500 does seem a little low - maybe you should counter. Do a search of sold items on eBay and you will see they almost always sell for $550+
post #28751 of 30096
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Originally Posted by CHASLS2 View Post

I would love to have some Sig8's, they are just too deep and big for my bedroom setup, Used to have the Klipsh RF7'S. My Sig2's do a great job in my bedoom without hogging too much space.

Same here - I really had my heart set on a pair of S6 v.3's but I didn't have room for them either - too deep for a multi-purpose room. The S2 and S4 are much more reasonably sized for a non-dedicated room.
post #28752 of 30096
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Originally Posted by mtn-tech View Post

I paid about $900 for my Studio 40 v.4s in black ash - they are harder to find than Studio 20's but that $500 does seem a little low - maybe you should counter. Do a search of sold items on eBay and you will see they almost always sell for $550+
I was thinking about counter offering at $600. I think they are worth more than $500. Even though they are v4's they have seen little to no use. I wouldn't be surprised if they wasn't broken in.

If anyone is looking for J-29 stands, there's a pair by me for $150
post #28753 of 30096
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Originally Posted by mtn-tech View Post

Same here - I really had my heart set on a pair of S6 v.3's but I didn't have room for them either - too deep for a multi-purpose room. The S2 and S4 are much more reasonably sized for a non-dedicated room.

The v3 S2 & S6 cabinet has the same width / depth. The S6 is not any deeper than the S2. They also are very near the same height when the S2 is mounted on the J-29 stand. They are both front ported and should fit in similar areas. I will still give the slight nod to the S2 being a little easier to place --especially if you need to place something in front of the lower portion of the S2. Both are not very forgiving of the dreaded corner placement. You will notice a boost to the bottom end if you choose to do so --move the cabinet about a 10-18 in off the side wall and it will disappear.
post #28754 of 30096
I never noticed the S6 is 13.5 inches deep versus the S8's 20.5 inch depth.

post #28755 of 30096
Paradigm put a picture of their CEDIA Booth up on their Facebook page.......but I want more..............I am so hyped for a new Studio Series!! I might even get hyped for an Anthem MRX-710...if it has HDMI 2.0 (not if it doesn't have 2.0).
post #28756 of 30096
i have a cc 590 and when i watch some movies the sound is terrible. you can hardly listen. examples ard the new james bond movie and the 3d under the sea.

any way i can check what is wrong
post #28757 of 30096

I am rebuilding my HT with the following and need your advice.

Integra 60.5 AVR

Oppo 103

Outlaw 7200 amp

Epson 5030 projector

 

Paradigm speakers

Studio 60s V.5

CC-690 V.5

SA-ADP surrounds

SA-15R-30s for rear surrounds

Sub 12

 

The room is 20 x 15 ft. It will be a 7.1 setup. I may trying to decide exactly how to power these speakers. Heres my question-

 

1- Should I just stick with AVR for power 135w/channel?

2- Should I buy and use Outlaw amp for all speakers (200w/channel)?

3. Should I buy and use Outlaw amp for just the LCR via bi-amp and power side and rears with AVR?

 

Which one of these is going to be the most noticeable and be the best for the HT surround experience? Thanks for your advice!!!!

post #28758 of 30096
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Originally Posted by niners View Post

i have a cc 590 and when i watch some movies the sound is terrible. you can hardly listen. examples ard the new james bond movie and the 3d under the sea.

any way i can check what is wrong

I remember replying to this, but dunno where my post went confused.gif anyway, you may read up few pages back, some had problem on mid driver I guess and had it replaced. This maybe your case too. Those who had this problem will be the best person to ask smile.gif
post #28759 of 30096
I live about 50 km from the Paradigm factory in Ontario, Canada. My dealer, who does not claim any special relationship with Paradigm - just a very long one, says that there is not going to be a refresh of the Studio line this year. Let's see how accurate he is.
post #28760 of 30096
My dealer says the same thing: No refresh.
post #28761 of 30096
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Originally Posted by Gunk12 View Post

I am rebuilding my HT with the following and need your advice.

1- Should I just stick with AVR for power 135w/channel?
2- Should I buy and use Outlaw amp for all speakers (200w/channel)?
3. Should I buy and use Outlaw amp for just the LCR via bi-amp and power side and rears with AVR?

Which one of these is going to be the most noticeable and be the best for the HT surround experience? Thanks for your advice!!!!

The least noticeable would certainly be #3 (biamping the front and center), plus that would be a huge waste to power those tweeters each with it own 200w dedicated amplifier.

One would think that 135w is plenty of power, but those are some power hungry speakers (especially that monster CC-690 center) and if you are listening to multi-channel sources at high levels the power supply in your AVR may not be delivering all the current the 7 channels need. Would you be able to tell with an external amp? Maybe, maybe not - and if you could it would surely only be at the largest peaks. Plus, you already own that 135w x 7 amp - why not use it for at least some of the speakers.

There are some 3 channel amps but the selection is very limited - especially in the used market. Parasound, Bryston, and Emotiva are a few that come to mind - the LCRs would have more power and it would relieve your AVR of half of its work load and the surround / back speakers would benefit as well.

It probably isn't if you "need", it is really more if you "want" it.
post #28762 of 30096
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Originally Posted by biggar View Post

I live about 50 km from the Paradigm factory in Ontario, Canada. My dealer, who does not claim any special relationship with Paradigm - just a very long one, says that there is not going to be a refresh of the Studio line this year. Let's see how accurate he is.

signatures should come before studios.
post #28763 of 30096
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Originally Posted by shiznit View Post

signatures should come before studios.


I hope that they give me at least a year with my Sigs before I fee the upgrade pressure. Good thing that I, more often than not, am happy with the penultimate iteration of all this stuff, it's a way cheaper philosophy to follow.
post #28764 of 30096
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Originally Posted by mtn-tech View Post

The least noticeable would certainly be #3 (biamping the front and center), plus that would be a huge waste to power those tweeters each with it own 200w dedicated amplifier.

One would think that 135w is plenty of power, but those are some power hungry speakers (especially that monster CC-690 center) and if you are listening to multi-channel sources at high levels the power supply in your AVR may not be delivering all the current the 7 channels need. Would you be able to tell with an external amp? Maybe, maybe not - and if you could it would surely only be at the largest peaks. Plus, you already own that 135w x 7 amp - why not use it for at least some of the speakers.

There are some 3 channel amps but the selection is very limited - especially in the used market. Parasound, Bryston, and Emotiva are a few that come to mind - the LCRs would have more power and it would relieve your AVR of half of its work load and the surround / back speakers would benefit as well.

It probably isn't if you "need", it is really more if you "want" it.

I agree that the least noticeable would be a bi-amping solution. Unless the crossovers in your speakers have been replaced in order to isolate high/mid and low frequency signals, what we commonly call bi-amping is largely pointless (here I will enter a caveat that adding an additional amp may give you additional dynamic headroom for drivers requiring less power [high/mid] but it may also deprive drivers needing greater power [low]). I have a falst bi-amping arrangement and am currently studying how to get out of it in a way that is beneficial to my system. The solutions are neither simple nor low cost.
post #28765 of 30096
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Originally Posted by niners View Post

i have a cc 590 and when i watch some movies the sound is terrible. you can hardly listen. examples ard the new james bond movie and the 3d under the sea.

any way i can check what is wrong

It could be the speaker or it could be the signal driving it. I hope it isn't your speaker, but first try swapping speaker wires between your center and one of the front mains - does the center channel program played on the main speaker sound better (and the main speaker program played on the center sound worse)? If yes, then it is probably the speaker - a driver or a component on the crossover circuit board. You can usually put your ear up to each driver and determine the offender.

If not and the poor sound stays with the center channel amp output, there could be either hardware or signal issues upstream. Try using the disc player's decoder and analog outputs (if it has them) vs. your processor's decoder (in your AVR?). Any difference?

Now that I am thinking about it, also try setting your channel levels all back to 0dB - or at least make sure that your center channel isn't "boosted" to +1dB or more. Remember that digital signals may already be full amplitude and boosting them in the channel trim menu of your surround processor may cause clipping.

If you give more details about what equipment you have and how it is connected we may be able to help more. Good Luck.
post #28766 of 30096
From the pictures posted on their Facebook page taken at CEDIA 2013 this morning, my dealer was correct. No Studio line update. They show a new CS in-wall speaker setup and the new Anthem receivers but no large floor standing or bookshelf speakers.
post #28767 of 30096
Visited CEDIA today, spoke to a Paradigm guy, Sigs are getting upgraded next year, pure beryllium mids is what he told me the upgrade "might" be (with a smile).
post #28768 of 30096
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Originally Posted by mtn-tech View Post

It could be the speaker or it could be the signal driving it. I hope it isn't your speaker, but first try swapping speaker wires between your center and one of the front mains - does the center channel program played on the main speaker sound better (and the main speaker program played on the center sound worse)? If yes, then it is probably the speaker - a driver or a component on the crossover circuit board. You can usually put your ear up to each driver and determine the offender.

If not and the poor sound stays with the center channel amp output, there could be either hardware or signal issues upstream. Try using the disc player's decoder and analog outputs (if it has them) vs. your processor's decoder (in your AVR?). Any difference?

Now that I am thinking about it, also try setting your channel levels all back to 0dB - or at least make sure that your center channel isn't "boosted" to +1dB or more. Remember that digital signals may already be full amplitude and boosting them in the channel trim menu of your surround processor may cause clipping.

If you give more details about what equipment you have and how it is connected we may be able to help more. Good Luck.


mtn-tech thanks for the advice. i will try hooking up my main to that channel and see what happens


my set up is as follows
main - studio 60 v5
cc 590 v5
sub diy uxl with a behringer ep4000and mini dsp
anthem mrx300
3 bryston 4b sst
oppo 93

the mrx set is the arc setup.

i will try the speaker change tomorrow
post #28769 of 30096
Hey guys,

Just a heads-up that I have my Paradigm Sub 25 up for sale in the classifieds. About to upgrade to a SUB 2.

Let me know if interested!
post #28770 of 30096
Congrats!

Make sure to get the original box to move it, because it's so heavy it's easy to damage the finish just by handling it.

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