Paradigm Owners Thread - Page 118

the best way to describe the dif would be to take your music to the dealer
and let you a/b the dif for yourself the 100's i found had more midbass
your results and type of music may vary.

If you can compare the 60's plus sub (any sub) side by side with the 100s it would probably be worth your trouble. I picked the 60s because of space and budget. But when I auditioned them, the 60's sounded like $1500 speakers and the 100s sounded like they could compete with just about anything. It wasn't just the bass output that was different. I would guess it has to do with midrange dispersion. Anyway, I like my 60s, but I would pick the 100s today if I wasn't using them in the living room.

A bigger, more expensive speaker will usually sound better, but I'd take issue with your claim that the 60's merely sound like $1,500 speakers while the 100's were in a much higher league. In fact, in a review a year or so ago, Kal Rubinson of Stereophile favorably compared the 60's to speakers costing almost 10 times that.

Have you ever read a speaker review where that's not said???

I do love my 60s, my understanding was that neither are really "full range", that the 100s just work better for larger rooms (mines 14 x 23 x 8).

Good one there JK on the speaker review Magazine... Tru Dat Tru Dat

And as far as the 100's for a big room, this is very much the case...

They may require alot more power, with the extra drivers, but will also output that much more pressure for a large room for that extra power input.

That is why I based my decision on getting 100's for my 8200cu.ft + room, and they perform righteously IMO !!

I have a 17' x 15' room, would you guys recommend the studio 100s or the 60s?

I have a 20 X 25 room and I just today decided to go with the 60s. I had worked my way up from looking at the Monitor 9s and 11s, to the Studio 20s, then the 40s, and now the 60s. Since I did not have the luxury of bringing a pair home to try out, I had to go by what I heard in the stores. Having now listened to every possible speaker I could find within 50 miles of my house, I felt that the Studio 60 was the one to go with. Since I don't play music that loud I don't feel I'm going to miss the extra output of the 100, and don't want to worry about the increased power requirements necessary to get the best out of the 100s. I think I found my point of diminishing returns. I'm sure the 100s would give me more bass, but based on what I heard, the 60s should give me all the bass I need. I think you need to decide how important that extra bass is to you, or whether the additional midrange quality (if there is any) would even be noticeable to you. I don't think my ear is good enough to tell the difference at this level of quality. I think the 60s will give me all I need.

Good luck.

Ken

Dont hear that to often
I also set my 40's and CC to LARGE
Most dont agree with me there either BUT ist what sounds best to me

We must have the same ears! I also have my 100's and cc-450 set to large and we are the only ones who think this.......ha ha ha

There is a small contingent of us who prefer the large over the small setting. Bottom line is what sounds best to you.

Amen Brotha

True but I didn't prefer the 60s in that comparison.

Ken, if you haven't decided on a center already, I would try to go with the 570. I had the 470 and wasn't that happy. I borrowed the 570 from my dealer and immediately notice a difference in clarity. If you can make it fit, and can afford it. I would recommend going for it.

Congratulations on the 60's. I just switched to version 4 (from 3) and got 'em up and running last nite. Very cool.
Now I can't wait for Kal to do a review of V.4 where he compares them to speakers 30x's their price!!!!

I don't have any speakers 30x the price of the V4s.

So with all your posting in the Paradigm realm Kal, might I be so bold as to ask what does your system consist of? Im sure you have posted it somewhere, but I am unaware..

I know that I and many here on this site value your opinion, which makes me curious what your ears are tuned too...

Warp

all i have left is the sub... cc470 + 100s +20s

Has anyone paired the new CC690 (v4) with the Studio 20's (v3)? I listen 90% TV and movies and, from what I've learned lately, the center is a key component. Most of my TV watching is HD. I currently have the CC470 (v3) and am wondering if the 690 would provide a noticeable improvement in clarity.

Surrounds are ADP 470s and sub is Servo 15.

Well, I guess I didn't mean that you "favored" the Paradigm Studio 60's over speakers costing 10X as much, but just holding them up for comparison to such speakers, as you did, certainly suggests that the 60's at least merit comparison, doesn't it?
Hey, if someone offered to take my Paradigm's in trade for a pair of $16K speakers, I'd sure take the deal.

It is posted in the Associated Equipment box that accompanies each and every review.

Certainly. One needs to constantly recalibrate the price/value graph.


Me, too, but that's not going to happen, is it?

Although you would never know it from Paradigm's web site or outdated brochures, there is no 470 or 570 anymore. From what I have been told, it is now a 590 and 690. Unless I'm missing something, I can't find any paradigm literature that describes them, but I did see a 590 at a dealer and I decided to take my chances and I went with that one rather than going with the 290 from the Monitor series, which is the one I was originally going to buy. It's a lot more money, but I decided I should match the center with the fronts and stay within the Studio series for the center. From what I have been told, the 690 would be way too big. Hopefully I made the right choice.

Ken

I have the 80's with a 470cc, adp's and the 2200 sub. I listen to about 5% music and the rest dvd and tv. I am sick of the jumbo size though and can get the 20's for a great deal locally. My question is should I, will they be better or the same? Thanks...

i think you will appreciate it in the long run i chose the 570 over the 470
so if the 590 is improved and i am sure it is over the 570 enjoy.

Ken I think you made a great choice. I did mean to go with the 590. I just was forgetting that they DID stop making the 470-570.
Congrats on your new stuff!!!!

Looking for some opinions on the new Monitor series surrounds, specifically the ADP 370 v4 vs. the ADP 390 v5. I'm still doing a little back and forth, but I'm finding the 370's provide a fuller more immersive surround experience in my setup than the 390s.

I'm curious to hear the opinions of others who have gone from the 370's to the 390 surrounds. I've got no qualms with the rest of the new Monitor series, but the jury is still out on the surrounds.

Has anyone had to replace one of their grills on a V.3 Studio 60. I'm just wondering how much something like this will cost me? I dropped it on the floor and the top corner edge split. Rats!!!

Dom

I was considering a pair of floor model 60s a few months ago with a run in the nylon on the grill. My dealer said $30-40 for new grills.

After using 20's for surrounds I'm finally gonna try ADP's (Studios).
Has anybody else switched and regretted it?
Because of the room, one will have to go in a built-in bookshelf and the other will be on top of a bookshelf and only about 3" from the ceiling. My couch is against the back wall so that is out as well. I'm worried they might not work the best in those placement scenarios. The 20's have been ok, but not as open and enveloping as I would like.
Any thoughts.

I just recently switched to ADPs and I absolutely love it and would not want to go back to direct surrounds. My couch is against the back wall as well. I have mine sitting on speaker stands on the rear sides at ear level. I don't listen to DVD-A or SACD, so I can't tell you if there are drawbacks to ADPs while listening to those formats. I'm not a fan of setting surrounds above ear level nor having them shoot at only the walls and not into my ears. The ADPs give me direct sound and some ambient distraction to make it more omidirectional. Alot of people think that dipole/bipole speakers are just a marketing scam. That may be true if you set them up like they are typicaly setup (high on the side walls). If you do decide you want to try them, place one side firing at your ear with the other side firing away. I think it sounds amazing.

Thanks. I appreciate everyone's comments and suggestions. I'm really looking forward to the new equipment. It's definitely going to be a step up from my 30-year old JBLs!

Ken