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post #9661 of 30056
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Originally Posted by Drfew View Post

urmystlkal,

have you compared those mfw15's to the pw2200. i am looking to add additional subs or go with something different.

anyone else have .02 to offer on the av123 subs compared to paradigm subs

Not to be rude or bombastic

Are you serious

Paradigm subs don't begin to approach anything is the AV123 line
Have you done your research and checked out Craigs sub list on this forum? I assume not, based on the question asked. I'll give you a pass and help you out:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...36&postcount=8

This should answer your and all others question about subs.
post #9662 of 30056
Yosh is right on about placement.

After 28 years, I still have yet to find the answer as to why audio 1st timers or new HT'ers attempt to change the placement of speaker designers placement instructions???
post #9663 of 30056
av123 is still too scary... I had to go with SVS personally and the PB13 Ultra is supposed to beat the seismic 12 and even the servo 15 I think.
post #9664 of 30056
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Originally Posted by urmystlkal View Post

The room is on the upstairs. We have no basements here in TX, lol .

The dotted line on that floor plan was the ceiling soffet (i think that's what it's called), not a wall. The columns that will be in the room aren't really anything special. They are built into the wall and stick out about 3.25 inches or so They are probably about 1.5' wide. Here are some pics of the media room in the model home. The room will be the same except mine will be completely black and those columns they have are a little bigger because they put a "wood" covering around them. Mine are a bit smaller.

The ceilings are 8' or so I believe to the soffets that extend about 2.75' out then go up to the 10' ceiling. The ceiling slopes down from the 10' to 8' back at the screen. Not sure if you can tell what i mean in these pics or not. BTW, I plan on putting the side surrounds where that A/C return vent is, that will be mounted to the bottom side of the soffet in the ceiling. I plan on only doing 5.1 right now as I've been told by many the room isn't really big enough to benefit from 7.1

Hope this wasn't confusing

IMHO, i believe your right on. (besides its an attractive looking room)

If you were to use Dipoles even between those shallow columns the extrusion of the columns would affect the radiation pattern to some degree. UNLESS, you attach the Dipole to the exterior of the column which kills aesthetics. Ergo the direct radiator.

You may have room for 2 rows of seats be sure to raise the floor on the 2nd set and be certain to stagger the seats for viewing purposes.

Lastly, when doing the construction, think ahead and run PVC pipe through the ceiling and wall beams for all of your wiring to pass through. It will simplify pull through and It makes a dramatic difference in the future when you get wealthy and desire to kill the 16 gauge lamp cord and replace with Kimber 8TC or AQ 6. It sounds crazy, but in a couple of years you'll thank me posthumously.
post #9665 of 30056
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

1)av123 is still too scary... I had to go with SVS personally and the PB13 Ultra is 2)supposed to beat the seismic 12 and even the servo 15 3)I think.

1) How so?

2)Who said?

3) You do?

I am being a bit heavy handed with this response do to your lack of substantive facts, details or documented information.

As in most cases, you may been putting together a piece of this, a smattering of that, hearsay, innuendo and just plain BS that someone laid on you. Or simply just plain brand bias, which is perfectly fine and frankly more acceptable than supposition or vapid groundless inaccuracies.

To be sure, much of the Paradigm line are serious quality audio reproducers, HOWEVER, they are NOT ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE.

Please understand rhetoric has its place, though in a forum such as this which many come to for learning, accurate information and a search for knowledge, we must temper our urge for spewing obfuscation and just plain wishful thinking. I, among all have been guilty of early on.
post #9666 of 30056
1) up to 40+% burnt amps in polls and 4-6 weeks wait time for replacement

2) Forums and testing SPL and flatness... Forget where

3) I said I think because I forget the servo 15 numbers
post #9667 of 30056
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Originally Posted by Drfew View Post

urmystlkal,

have you compared those mfw15's to the pw2200. i am looking to add additional subs or go with something different.

anyone else have .02 to offer on the av123 subs compared to paradigm subs

I hi jacked this response to place on the table once and for all the acknowledged Trieste for subwoofer performance and comparative rankings among all known brands.

You will note, no where does the name Paradigm appear in this comparative analysis. Why you ask, I believe you know the answer. Need we go further?

Craigs sub list:

http://www.tweakcityaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11
post #9668 of 30056
There are other people who review like iika, mike c ect...
post #9669 of 30056
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

1) up to 40+% burnt amps in polls and 4-6 weeks wait time for replacement

2) Forums and testing SPL and flatness... Forget where

3) I said I think because I forget the servo 15 numbers

Let me state empirically, that I have no vested interest or benefit from the AV123 company or its management nor employees.

I too incurred an amp that went dead on me within weeks of receiving my own MFW-15's. I called in and was sent a replacement within a week of the call. The amp has been performing splendidly since Feb 2008.

The early reviews of this sub and reasonable price caused a great demand from buyers. Indeed at the beginning, growing pains impacted this product, however these have tempered dramatically in recent months and are virtually are non existent.

Absolute SPL means little, if the sound your hearing is indeed inaccurate, or fails to be musical. Case in point stadium sound systems, loud yes, accurate...hmmm, lets guess

Get the picture?

As for the absolute SPL for the Servo 15, I too believe it is a DB or two higher than the MFW-15, however it is also less musical, ergo less desirable to the astute audiophile who eschews brand names or allegiances.

Caveat Emptor!
I say no more on the subject.
post #9670 of 30056
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

I know all that stuff but when the speakers are forced to be placed close to your listening position then direct radiating speakers can identify themselves way too much and be distracting.

Shouldn't if you calibrate correctly.

Like Oztech said, before discrete surround channels, di-pole was great, not so much now.
post #9671 of 30056
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

to the side/behind... real hard to explain.

Like 3.5 feet back and 3.5 feet to the side each

With di-poles you are supposed to sit in the "null". For the effect to work you have to have the speakers at your sides with one set of drivers aiming just forward of you and the other set aimed just rear of you.

Anything else is just smearing the sound around.
post #9672 of 30056
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Originally Posted by Easyaspie View Post

Shouldn't if you calibrate correctly.

Like Oztech said, before discrete surround channels, di-pole was great, not so much now.

I get that but nearly every review from an owner of the ADP's is very positive. The logical answer is that they are not the best but everyone who has them seems to love them. thats all that matters to me.
post #9673 of 30056
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

I get that but nearly every review from an owner of the ADP's is very positive. The logical answer is that they are not the best but everyone who has them seems to love them. thats all that matters to me.

I know this has been debated at great length. I also know what di-pole/bi-pole speakers try to accomplish. It just doesn't seem to make sense to me to take sounds that are supposed to be placed in certain spots and "diffuse" and, IMHO, smear them around.

Since DD and dts, surround sound has been, after all, discrete.
post #9674 of 30056
The simple solution for me was to borrow equipment from my friends and judge for
yourself, what works for one person or room may not for another the ADP'S did not
do it for me in my room the studio 20's gave me what I wanted but they are 6 feet
behind my listening position.
post #9675 of 30056
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

But you missed this more relevant configuration:
http://www.thx.com/home/setup/speakers/dolby.html

thanks, im not sure what is the latest setup or sound format. still learning
post #9676 of 30056
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Originally Posted by Drfew View Post

urmystlkal,

have you compared those mfw15's to the pw2200. i am looking to add additional subs or go with something different.

anyone else have .02 to offer on the av123 subs compared to paradigm subs

I have not. I actually haven't even gotten a chance to listen to both of them hooked up at the same time! I ordered them because they were on sale and could get 2 nice subs for $1000 plus free $200 credit for use at AV123. I ordered them based on reviews and price and trusted peoples opinion. I can't use them in my apartment so they are sitting at my moms house waiting for my house to be built. I opened them up to inspect them and hooked each one up to make sure they work then they went back in the box. I must say, they rocked! Even w/ only 1 hooked up, they kicked ass. I can't wait to have everything hooked up and have a dedicated theater room!

As far as the ADP speakers vs. direct firing. I guess once the room is built I'll just have to try both and see which I prefer. Still haven't really decided on the Studio 100's vs the 60's. I think w/ my 2 subs and the speakers set to small the 100's won't really add much to it. Though I could be wrong.
post #9677 of 30056
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Originally Posted by oztech View Post

The simple solution for me was to borrow equipment from my friends and judge for
yourself, what works for one person or room may not for another the ADP'S did not
do it for me in my room the studio 20's gave me what I wanted but they are 6 feet
behind my listening position.

I wish I had the room to put them 6 feet back. One day I will upgrade to 7.1 with 20;s or 10;s in the rear and adp's to the side
post #9678 of 30056
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

There are other people who review like iika, mike c ect...

As with religion, one must feel comfortable with the trappings and proselytizing of those which lead it. Only in your spirit will the truth be told.
post #9679 of 30056
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Originally Posted by ginovino View Post

As with religion, one must feel comfortable with the trappings and proselytizing of those which lead it. Only in your spirit will the truth be told.

What can you say to that except.......amen.
post #9680 of 30056
Would speaker palcement as per my attachment seem ideal for the situation? Room restraints are really quite a concern. I have *just* enough room to put speakers next to the seats and behind isn't an option because of the wall. (please note the room opens up to the left but a support piller I've ommited makes moving the theater left impossible so I just used a wall for all intents and purposes)

I understand that the seats next to the speakers might be a little distracted by surround effects and the middle seat might miss some of them entirely but the main seating is the real concern 90% of the time since me and my wife take up the rear for our guests.
LL
post #9681 of 30056
I never knew adp's were so passe. I feel like I just said I was insulating my house with esbestos and painting it with lead paint.
post #9682 of 30056
Not putting the ADP'S down and I do believe they are the best option for some rooms
and material with a mono rear channel.
post #9683 of 30056
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

I never knew adp's were so passe. I feel like I just said I was insulating my house with esbestos and painting it with lead paint.

I have had Studio ADP's in my room and consequently sold them to purchase
Studio 20's.....the criteria for dipoles is you have to have the correct room for them to work properly. With a room that does not have walls parallel to each other and nooks on one side at certain lengths, they certainly didnt work for me. You will find out in time I'm guessing.
post #9684 of 30056
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Originally Posted by yagimax View Post

I currently have the Studio 100's v2. For the center I'm using a Boston Acoustics cr12 (about the same size as the cc590)which I am thinking of swapping out for the cc690 v5.

Would the new cc690 be a good match for the older 100's?

Good news....I have Studio 100's V2 with last year's CC690 and they go together beautifully. Now, I'm not sure what they changed for this version but you can always email Gary (Paradigm) to find out.
post #9685 of 30056
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Originally Posted by Yosh70 View Post

As I understand it, dipoles are to be either placed on stands alongside the listening area or mounted on both walls high up and just behind the listening
area. These ADP's you have are going to be directly behind the listening area?
I cant see this working out at all.......

The listening positions should be directly between the dipoles, so you're sitting in the null area (as opposed to "just behind the listening area" that you stated). Height should be slightly above listening position. (Edit: Noticed easyaspie already mentioned this.)

I'm debating the same thing as far as whether to use dipoles or directs for the side surrounds. ADPs should definitely not be used in the rear, though, since nobody is sitting in the null at that point.
post #9686 of 30056
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Originally Posted by ginovino View Post

You may have room for 2 rows of seats be sure to raise the floor on the 2nd set and be certain to stagger the seats for viewing purposes.

Lastly, when doing the construction, think ahead and run PVC pipe through the ceiling and wall beams for all of your wiring to pass through. It will simplify pull through and It makes a dramatic difference in the future when you get wealthy and desire to kill the 16 gauge lamp cord and replace with Kimber 8TC or AQ 6. It sounds crazy, but in a couple of years you'll thank me posthumously.

To add to this, run wires from the riser(s) to the equipment rack in case you want to install shakers later. Or install them initially.

And he shouldn't need to stagger the seats if the riser is the right height.
post #9687 of 30056
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Originally Posted by urmystlkal View Post

Hey Paradigm owners! I've been thinking of getting the studio series for my new home theater room and had some questions. My current receiver is the Yamaha v663 and I already have 2 MFW15 subs. Eventually I can add an amp to the 663 but can't really afford to do it at the moment since we are building a new house and having to buy everything.

1st question: Studio 60 vs Studio 100. I've done lots of reading on here but still haven't decided which would be better. The room will be a 15x17 fully enclosed room. With the 2 subs, do I need the Studio 100's or will the 60's be good enough? I'll spend the extra money if need be but I didn't know if it'd be wasted and I wouldn't really notice a difference getting the 100's since the lower sound will already be taken care of. Still undecided on which center channel also. Probably 690 just because, lol.

2nd question: Will that receiver (v663) perform well enough for the time being? I'm thinking about adding the Emotiva UPA-7 eventually since it's not too expensive and gets good reviews but won't be adding it anytime soon.

The sides will be the ADP-590's obviously. Thanks for any help. I won't have my house complete until April so I still have lots of time for research but just trying to get things narrowed down.

Sorry to bump, but you're in a similar position as I was....

I auditioned both speakers recently, hoping to enjoy the 40's or 60's paired with my SVSPB13U and save a few bucks. Unfortunately, I could tell a -huge- difference in midrange clarity between the 60's and 100.... after checking specs, I believe this is due to crossover design. Now, I don't expect to use full range all the time on the 100's, but I guess it's nice to have that low end if you want to do a purist 2-channel listening session.
post #9688 of 30056
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

1) up to 40+% burnt amps in polls and 4-6 weeks wait time for replacement

2) Forums and testing SPL and flatness... Forget where

3) I said I think because I forget the servo 15 numbers

Goonstopher:

I believe that Ginovino knows his subs and alot about Paradigms and he has given me very good, solid advice for a very long time. I ended up with Paradigm speakers because of him and also four (4) MFW-15 Subs directly from his advice and I couldn't be happier. Ginovino knows what he's talking about.
post #9689 of 30056
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Originally Posted by ginovino View Post

Lastly, when doing the construction, think ahead and run PVC pipe through the ceiling and wall beams for all of your wiring to pass through. It will simplify pull through and It makes a dramatic difference in the future when you get wealthy and desire to kill the 16 gauge lamp cord and replace with Kimber 8TC or AQ 6. It sounds crazy, but in a couple of years you'll thank me posthumously.


Well the builder wants to charge outrageous amounts to run conduit in the walls so if I do decide I want to change wire out I'm going to try attatching it to one end of the wire and seeing if I can pull it through. I'll tell them to make sure to leave it loose so I can pull it, hopefully that will work well. They are running conduit to the projector location though which I am glad about it. Otherwise they'd probably rip me off on the HDMI cable, lol. I am getting 2 sets of wire ran to the front 3 locations in case I'd like to try biwiring or something eventually.
post #9690 of 30056
When I heard Dipoles at my dealer they were on the rear wall directly behind the seating position and it still sounded good to me. I might just be an idiot I guess.
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