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post #1501 of 2715
I'm calling Denon today on this one but thought of asking anyhow. Is there a known problem in the HDMI connection between the Denon AVR-4806 and the Samsung HL-S5687W? I can't get any image when using the HDMI connection. I believe the problem is on the Denon side because when I connect the DVD (Denon 5910) directly to the TV I get an image. BTW, the Samsung is a DLP 1080P.
Any ideas ???
post #1502 of 2715
What resolution is the 5910 outputting?
post #1503 of 2715
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Originally Posted by JohnGZ28 View Post

This doesn't sound good. I'm guessing you did not get it from an "authorized" dealer. Hopefully nothing will go wrong.

I did not get it from an auth. dealer.. already I have noticed couple of issues

Receiver came in a sealed box that seemed brand new, but when I opened the box, i found the remote outside of its bubble wrap pouch and floating around. Also, the manual seemed to have been opened

When I access internet radio settings via browser, I see that the page keeps refreshing two or three times each second thus making it impossible to make any changes on this page.

I am unable to configure Component video OUT via DBS or VCR1 or VCR2.. but I am able to configure Component video OUT via VDP and Aux.. (Ref: my posting a few days back on this thread regarding this)

Other than these, the receiver seems to be working fine.

I am worried about the component video out issue.. the rest, not too picky and can live with them. Who listens to radio via internet anyway.

Any helpful suggestions on the component video out problem appreciated.
post #1504 of 2715
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Originally Posted by Jase H View Post

What resolution is the 5910 outputting?

it is set to max res. so I guess it would be 1080i (I do not have the upgrade to go to 1080p). But there are other devices connected via HDMI to the 4806 and they do not display either (a Dish Network HD receiver and a Toshiba HD-DVD). Btw, if I connect the 4806 HDMI ouput to my Sanyo Z4 via HDMI I have no problems, which makes my problem determination a little harder.
post #1505 of 2715
Assume you've assigned the HDMI Inputs to the relevant source Inputs e.g HDMI 1 - DVD?
post #1506 of 2715
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Originally Posted by Jase H View Post

Assume you've assigned the HDMI Inputs to the relevant source Inputs e.g HDMI 1 - DVD?

Of course as I said it works fine when connected to the projector via HDMI.
post #1507 of 2715
Does seem a bit strange.
post #1508 of 2715
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Originally Posted by Jase H View Post

Does seem a bit strange.

Strange it is. I connected the HD-DVD directly to the TV and got the "Mode not supported" message. I rechecked the cables, nothing!

And even worse the AVR-4806 kept saying "DVI OUTPUT", and the 4806 has no DVI output!!!

So, I ex-changed all the cables, the one from the DVD for the HD-DVD, etc.

Guess what? It is working now....:-(
So I'm happy for now but aprehensive...

Very strange indeed.
post #1509 of 2715
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Originally Posted by Robert2413 View Post

The 4806CI will upscale HDMI outputs to the resolution you specified for the 4806CI's HDMI output.

There are certain rules and gotchas, which are laid out in a chart in the manual. The most important one is that it will not downscale.


Can someone point to a page in the manual? I can only find analog-HDMI upscaling described.
post #1510 of 2715
guys....quick couple of questions:

1. can one still have denon do the "upgrade" on the regular 4806 to add the features on the 4806CI? like 1080p upscaling, etc

2. will the regular 4806 with the "upgrade" be able to do HDMI upscaling on HDMI inputs? I know the CI looks like it does, but I can't find any info on whether the upgraded version will also add this feature.
post #1511 of 2715
The upgrade should still be available for the regular 4806. Probably need to contact your local Denon Dealer. The upgrades have only just been announced over in the UK/Europe for the A11XV/A1XV models.

The 4806CI can't upscale an HDMI Input source. It will only switch it e.g HDMI 720p in, HDMI 720p out. None of the Denon's will scale HDMI sources.
post #1512 of 2715
I apologize if this may have been asked before, but does the firmware upgrade fix the problem that some of us are experiencing with not being able to view the OSD over HDMI?
post #1513 of 2715
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Originally Posted by Jase H View Post

The 4806CI can't upscale an HDMI Input source. It will only switch it e.g HDMI 720p in, HDMI 720p out. None of the Denon's will scale HDMI sources.

To me, this sounds pretty ridiculous, and was probably done solely so that Denon customers would have no choice but to also buy a nice $3500 Denon 1080p DCDi DVD player, completely defeating the purpose of all of the $4000 receiver's wonderful hardware. Would this definitely still be the case even with the $7000 5805MK2?

Would it be possible to bypass this stupid limitation by feeding the receiver video via DVI and audio via HDMI?

Now that I've learned this little nugget of joy, it almost seems pointless to ask, but can the 4806CI (or any Denon model) convert film-sourced DVD video to 1080p/24 or 1080p/48?
post #1514 of 2715
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Originally Posted by Colmino View Post


Would it be possible to bypass this stupid limitation by feeding the receiver video via DVI and audio via HDMI?

The video part of a HDMI connection is pretty much the same thing as DVI. So it would not make any difference. If something like this won't work with a HDMI video connection, then it's also not going to work with DVI connection.

Also, it's totaly ridiculous to expect the adjustability and the options of something like a $3k+ external video scaler. To be included in a $4k receiver that only has sightly more than basic scaler functions. Even the $7k 5805MKII, does not offer the same kind of adjustability and options like a good $2-$3k+ scaler does. In fact about the only thing that comes close to having the scaler options that you want, outside of a good dedicated scaler. Is the $7k Anthem D2 pre-pro.
post #1515 of 2715
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Originally Posted by Colmino View Post

To me, this sounds pretty ridiculous, and was probably done solely so that Denon customers would have no choice but to also buy a nice $3500 Denon 1080p DCDi DVD player, completely defeating the purpose of all of the $4000 receiver's wonderful hardware. Would this definitely still be the case even with the $7000 5805MK2?

Would it be possible to bypass this stupid limitation by feeding the receiver video via DVI and audio via HDMI?

Now that I've learned this little nugget of joy, it almost seems pointless to ask, but can the 4806CI (or any Denon model) convert film-sourced DVD video to 1080p/24 or 1080p/48?

As Johnla has mentioned. The sort of features you're after would only really be found in a seperate Video Processor. The Denon's have relatively basic scaling functions & signal transcoding.
post #1516 of 2715
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

Also, it's totaly ridiculous to expect the adjustability and the options of something like a $3k+ external video scaler.

Shrug. With respect, I disagree. There's obviously no technical barrier. All the hardware Denon needed to scale a digital 480p to a digital 1080p is already in the machine. Given this, plus all the other things these receivers are capable of, it really is painfully obvious to me that this limitation was a conscious and deliberate one. I doubt they would have failed to enable such an intuitably desirable feature if they'd had any direct competition in this bracket of the receiver market.
post #1517 of 2715
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Originally Posted by Colmino View Post

Shrug. With respect, I disagree.

You can disagree all you want. But they are not going to have the same features, options and adjustments that a dedicated external scaler/processor has. Just because they have a chip and some circuitry in them that alows certain limited scaling functions, that does not also mean that the chip and the circuitry that they used can also provide all the functions of a external scaler. If you really think that a $4k receiver with scaler functions has the same potentials as a external $3k scaler/processer, but that they are locked out, then you are only fooling yourself. If you want high end video scaling/processing, you have to be willing to pay for it. And if you want high end audio from a receiver you need to pay for that also. But to think that you can combine the two, and end up paying only slightly more than the scaler/processor alone or the receiver alone, is a only pipe dream. Just because you want something to be or work in a certain way, does not mean that it can or ever will be able to.
post #1518 of 2715
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

If you really think that a $4k receiver with scaler functions has the same potentials as a external $3k scaler/processer, but that they are locked out, then you are only fooling yourself.

We're not talking about a whole swath of features like noise reduction or Realta deinterlacing. We're talking about resizing video - a function which the receiver already possesses but which is designed only to work on analog-sourced video. Resizing? In spite of what the myriad manufacturers of standalone scalers would like people to think, this is not a remotely complicated function. Dozens of software media players, many of which are free, perform the function flawlessly, using any of several famous algorithms such as bicubic.

The conspicuously high cost of scalers is mostly attributable to the low-competition high-margin nature of the market for such one-trick devices, and partly owing to the costs of licensing well-known technologies like DCDi.

This is not to say that I wouldn't consider a receiver / scaler combo, but there are reasons why I have to consider a receiver by itself. Reasons having to do with the availability and affordability of refurbished units with warranties - something that is, so far as I can tell, inconceivable in the scaler market.
post #1519 of 2715
So, you're expecting it to have it all, and also expecting it as being available as a b-stock or refurb.
post #1520 of 2715
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

So, you're expecting it to have it all

What is "it all"? Scaling, deinterlacing and 100% digital? That's what I'm after. Hi, HTPC. Sadly, the target users of this equipment would very much prefer not to have to deal with a PC. But I think I made my point.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

and also expecting it as being available as a b-stock or refurb.

You may have misread my post. Instead, I pointed out the apparent complete dearth of such convenient options.
post #1521 of 2715
i am able to configure VDP, VCR3 and AUX to component In (using RCA1 I can see the picture, video comes through to tv).. but unable to do the same with DBS, TV or VCR1 or VCR2 (no picture on TV with any of these) The video signal seems to getting blocked and not come through.

I tried moving the cables to RCA2 (2nd set of component In inputs) with the same result

What could i be doing wrrong?

Id like to know this before I decide on whether to return the receiver for an exchange.. it will avoid a lot of shipping hassle. Thankfully the un-auth. dealer agreed to do an exchange if needed.

thanks.
post #1522 of 2715
You can only assign one set of Component Inputs to one Input Source. If you're trying to assign them to two Inputs it can't be done. Just select 1-RCA - DBS, 2-RCA - TV, 3-RCA - VCR1. The others (VDP, VCR3 etc) will then default back to NONE in the menu.
post #1523 of 2715
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Originally Posted by Jase H View Post

You can only assign one set of Component Inputs to one Input Source. If you're trying to assign them to two Inputs it can't be done. Just select 1-RCA - DBS, 2-RCA - TV, 3-RCA - VCR1. The others (VDP, VCR3 etc) will then default back to NONE in the menu.

I wasnt trying to assign one component input to more than one input source..
I tried RCA1 with TV.. didnt work. THen I tried RCA1 with DBS...[TV got switched out of RCA1 automatically].. still didnt work. Then I tried RCA1 with VDP. bingo.. I can see the picture. I repeated this for all others.. noticed that picture came through for VDP, VCR3, AUX but NOT TV, DBS, VCR1 or VCR2.

I manually moved the component cables to RCA2 and repeated the above excercise with RCA2 and got the same results.

I am still clinging onto the hope that perhaps the receiver is not faulty and something is wrong with the settings.. but if anyone can confirm then I can start the process to return this receiver for an exchange..
post #1524 of 2715
Is each Input set to SOURCE for the Video? Press the V.SEL button on the remote and make sure it says SOURCE on each of the Inputs. If all that's ok then it does appear that something might be faulty. You could try resetting the processor to see if that cures but you'll have to redo all the setup again from scratch.

When the unit is off hold down the Pure Direct and Direct/Stereo buttons then turn the power ON. Hold the buttons a few seconds and the display will flash and reset everything back to the factory defaults.
post #1525 of 2715
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Originally Posted by Jase H View Post

Is each Input set to SOURCE for the Video? Press the V.SEL button on the remote and make sure it says SOURCE on each of the Inputs. If all that's ok then it does appear that something might be faulty. You could try resetting the processor to see if that cures but you'll have to redo all the setup again from scratch.

When the unit is off hold down the Pure Direct and Direct/Stereo buttons then turn the power ON. Hold the buttons a few seconds and the display will flash and reset everything back to the factory defaults.

Wow.. thanks a lot. Pressing the V.Sel button on the remote did the job and my problem with component input is solved. I am getting the picture for all inputs.

One unrelated problem remains though.

I connected the receiver to my router and could access the settings via a browser. However, the page related to setting the internet radio... seems to be refreshing twice each second.. too fast for me to make any changes to that page

any idea why that would be happening?

thanks.
post #1526 of 2715
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Originally Posted by rman66 View Post


I connected the receiver to my router and could access the settings via a browser. However, the page related to setting the internet radio... seems to be refreshing twice each second.. too fast for me to make any changes to that page

any idea why that would be happening?

To be honest, that's one area I don't have any experience in as my Denon doesn't have the Internet radio upgrade etc. I'm afraid someone else will have to chime in on that one.
post #1527 of 2715
I was wondering if anyone knows the status of the $200 upgrade that gives you the ability to play WMA files and complies with the Microsoft PlaysForSure program? I see the $500 factory upgrade is available but not the $200 one.

I got this information from this link...

http://www.audioholics.com/ces/CESpr...erupgrades.php


Any information on this upgrade option would be much appreciated.

Thanks
Mike
post #1528 of 2715
1st, that is nowhere near cost and #2 read the forum rules (dont post pricing other than MSRP)
post #1529 of 2715
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Originally Posted by mbedford View Post

... upgrade that gives you the ability to play WMA files and complies with the Microsoft PlaysForSure program?
http://www.audioholics.com/ces/CESpr...erupgrades.php Any information on this upgrade option would be much appreciated. Thanks
Mike

I am also curious about the availability of this upgrade! Never saw any comments from Denon. I don´t need the video switching upgrade. Thanks.
post #1530 of 2715
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Originally Posted by Dary View Post

I am also curious about the availability of this upgrade! Never saw any comments from Denon. I don´t need the video switching upgrade. Thanks.

Just a SWAG on my part but I'd be surprised to see it. More than likely we'll have to pony up the 500 beans or get nothing at all.
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