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post #2671 of 2715
Sounds good. Good luck with the receiver. It is a great unit, with made in Japan quality as well.
post #2672 of 2715
Hi folks - I've been out of the HT game for awhile now, but recently my rear projection TV went kaput and so I'm in the process of replacing it. I am the proud owner of the AVR-4806 (original, not CI), and though its served it's purpose well over the years it doesn't support some of the newer technologies that have come around since I purchased the unit. As such, I have a few questions surrounding HDMI and audio/video support:

Since the receiver only supports 1080i passthru, do I really lose anything by sending 1080i to my new TV (vs. 1080p)? My understanding is that pretty much all newer TV's will de-interlace 1080i and "upconvert" to 1080p...is that correct?

The 4806 doesn't support the newer audio formats such as TrueHD and DTS-MA, but that doesn't appear to be a huge issue provided the source component (e.g. BD player) can internally decode those formats...is that right?

I believe the 4806 only supports HDMI 1.1, so am I really missing much of anything in the 1.3 spec (e.g. TrueColor) by using the receiver as a passthru?

I know that true 3D capability is only available in the HDMI 1.4 spec. However, it seems like many of the 3D sources, particularly those delivered by cable/satellite providers (side by side, top/bottom) are not true 3D formats but instead cut the resolution in half in order to store both sides on a single frame. For these reduced formats, can the receiver still be used as a passthru (via HDMI 1.1)?

Thanks in advance for your help!
post #2673 of 2715
1. No, as 1080i and 1080p are likely indistingishable, especially when seated > 8' from the display. A flat panel TV can only display at its designed resolution such that a 1080p TV will upscale/deinterlace any lower resolution signal up to 1080p. This is why the video upscaling capability may not be required as it is very likely to be equivalent or not appreciably better quality than what the TV can do itself.
2. Correct. With the BDP decoding the audio, you're not missing anything.
3. With the BDP doing the decoding, not really missing anything with HDMI 1.1, other than perhaps automatic audio syncing as there are currently no real Deep Color sources, and actually the setting on the BDP must be set to OFF otherwise it can cause video handshake issues with the AVR.
4. With non-full 1080p 3D video, it may be possible to pass through a non-HDMI 1.4 AVR.
post #2674 of 2715
Is the AVR-4806 worth $450 on todays market? I'm looking at one locally that does not have the ci upgrade. Just curious, Thanks
post #2675 of 2715
IMHO yes it is.
post #2676 of 2715
Thanks
post #2677 of 2715
Yes it is worth $450 especially if the remote still works.
post #2678 of 2715
This is timely info as I have just recently, and reluctantly, decided to put my 4806 up for sale. It is in its original box, with all original items, and an unused remote, as I always used a master universal remote instead.
post #2679 of 2715
Judging by the few on Amazon, I'd be suspicious of one for under $1000. Although maybe those are CI's?
Having paid for a new CI, this makes me a sad panda, but at least it still sounds great and seems to pass through BD3D just fine to the TV I got last year so I can't complain smile.gif
post #2680 of 2715
Can someone please help. I set up my Denton avr-4806 with optical audio in and HDMI video but I get no sound at all no matter how I hook it up. Please help. Thanks in advance
post #2681 of 2715
We need more info than that, but I highly recommend reading through all of the options in the set up menu as it is scary the amount of variables this baby can do. You need to assign video and audio separately if you use both.
post #2682 of 2715
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Originally Posted by Kasheimw View Post

Can someone please help. I set up my Denton avr-4806 with optical audio in and HDMI video but I get no sound at all no matter how I hook it up. Please help. Thanks in advance
Reconfirm your audio input setting. As I recall, if you were to set the audio input for a source to be optical on the Digital In Assign audio input page and then go and set the video input for that source to be HDMI on the HDMI/DVI In Assign page, the audio input is reverted to HDMI for that source. You'd need to go back and set the digital audio input back to optical.
post #2683 of 2715
Ok I finally got my sound working :-) , now I am looking for the HDMI update, sent request to Denon but no response yet. Does anyone have it and if so can you email it to me at kashis32@Gmail.com. thanks in advance. Also I am having trouble updating the audyysee firmware update. Always an error messasage at the 2-4 stage.
post #2684 of 2715
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Originally Posted by danielrhall View Post

Reconfirm your audio input setting. As I recall, if you were to set the audio input for a source to be optical on the Digital In Assign audio input page and then go and set the video input for that source to be HDMI on the HDMI/DVI In Assign page, the audio input is reverted to HDMI for that source. You'd need to go back and set the digital audio input back to optical.
thank you very much for the info. I have audio coming out of the TV. I could not get sound any other way. Thank you for your fat response..
post #2685 of 2715
I just ordered one of these units to replace an old entry level Yamaha. I feel that this will do what I want it to as well as a newer entry level model. I do have a question for the users here however. Mine does not come with a remote. Should I order the one that is supposed to come with it? Or can I get a good universal? Do I need the original remote to program the universal though? I can get the original remote off of Ebay for 27.00 shipped, but don't want to waste my money if I don't have to. Thank you!
post #2686 of 2715
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Originally Posted by jakerichards View Post

I just ordered one of these units to replace an old entry level Yamaha. I feel that this will do what I want it to as well as a newer entry level model. I do have a question for the users here however. Mine does not come with a remote. Should I order the one that is supposed to come with it? Or can I get a good universal? Do I need the original remote to program the universal though? I can get the original remote off of Ebay for 27.00 shipped, but don't want to waste my money if I don't have to. Thank you!

Get the original remote. Setting it up with out it is a major pain and can be very limiting if you want to program radio stations.
post #2687 of 2715
I believe a good universal, such as Logitech Harmony One, would work as well as the original. Of course if you are talking about a cheap $10-$15 universal, you'd best go with the original.
post #2688 of 2715
I have one of the 4806 which was upgraded by DENON into a 4806CI ( at a cost of $700+).. I have the original remote and indeed it provides access to features you would never think are necessary.

The DENON techs are the best....if there is a firmware update, they will tell you where it can be found.

Though, I have a Logitech Harmony One as well.

With patience and a few calls to Logitech, you will be able to add most if not all of the adjustment features found on the DENON. Better yet, place them in a sequence that makes it easy to find and use them to control your unit.

The issue as I see it, is Economics.....buy the EBAY unit and never be sure it was'nt dropped, items spilled on it etc. One benefit, the batteries see to last forever. The Harmony is still among Logitechs best and costs about $150 .00 new....on EBAY. and can be used on other units and products.

The 4806 is a monster power house and musically among the best sounding unit for the time..... I only wish it had two LFE outputs.... using a splitter drops the output signal somewhat.

Good luck with your efforts!wink.gif
post #2689 of 2715
Quote:
Originally Posted by jakerichards View Post

I just ordered one of these units to replace an old entry level Yamaha. I feel that this will do what I want it to as well as a newer entry level model. I do have a question for the users here however. Mine does not come with a remote. Should I order the one that is supposed to come with it? Or can I get a good universal? Do I need the original remote to program the universal though? I can get the original remote off of Ebay for 27.00 shipped, but don't want to waste my money if I don't have to. Thank you!

If you are purchasing the original remote, try to get the remote for the AVR4806 CI. It is part number RC-1036. It is an improvement over the original 4806 remote and works for both receivers.
post #2690 of 2715
Should you attempt to buy a new or refurbished one from Denon, it will likely cost you nearly full retail price..or close. In the interest of helping..Logitech maintains records of millions of codes needed to PROGRAM specific Electronic units.If you wanted the programming codes for example, the code for a Rotel 955ax CD player which was produced in 1992 and won many awards for the time. They would have it available for download......

CAvaet....If you don't currently own a Logitech product, there may be a slight charge I think.....I own one of these units and use a DAC with it....Sounds great!
post #2691 of 2715
I am really happy with this receiver. I got a remote off of Ebay for 27.00 shipped. The total cost of this receiver was 270.00 shipped. Originally I had ordered a Yamaha RXV-473. It seemed to lack power and the quality of my previous Yamaha so I returned it. I know it is a bit of an odd comparison, but this used 4806 landed right around the same price, so I went for it. I could not be happier with how I spent my cash! Power is much better, and sound quality is much, much better!
post #2692 of 2715
IS THE UNIT A "CI" with 1080p upscaling ? Or just a 4806 ? I don't believe DENON offers or performs the upgrades any longer. For what you paid for the unit.... I would never get rid of it! I would keep it for sound reinforcement or for rear channel support. Just take the Preamp feeds from your 5.1 or 7.1 preamp (or receiver) and use that 4806 beast to run those channels!

You won't be disappointed....... Good luck.smile.gif
post #2693 of 2715
Is there a simple way to tell the difference?
post #2694 of 2715
The true "CI" will have all of the additional instructions about upscaling.....

The Subsequent Depot rebuild will have a sticker on the front with the additional info and addendum providing the other features.wink.gif
post #2695 of 2715
Quote:
Originally Posted by ginovino View Post

The true "CI" will have all of the additional instructions about upscaling.....

The Subsequent Depot rebuild will have a sticker on the front with the additional info and addendum providing the other features.wink.gif

It does have a blue sticker that says "1080p upscaling" on the front, along with a "playsforsure Windows media audio". Looks like I got a lucky buy!
post #2696 of 2715
BINGO, YOU HIT THE JACKPOT WITHOUT SPENDING THE EXTRA MONEY!!!! NOW GO OUT AND BUY A LOTTERY TICKET!biggrin.gif AND USE THE MONEY YOU SAVED TO BUY KIMBER 8TC SPEAKER CABLES FOR A REAL LUXURY AND REALLY TAKE OF ADVANTAGE TO THE SONIC ABILITY OF THE RECEIVER:)
post #2697 of 2715
Thanks for the encouragement. I might start with speakers, since to get those cables would cost me about as much as my speakers ran me smile.gif. I am still working with some Best Buy speakers. Not sure what I want to get next.
post #2698 of 2715
No need to spend on expensive speaker wire.
post #2699 of 2715
"BEST BUY SPEAKERS" ? eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif

I RETRACT MY COMMENTS....DON'T BUY THE LOTTERY TICKET, YOU'LL JINX THE REST OF US.......tongue.gif

BURN THOSE SPEAKERS AND GET A SET OF AIRLINE HEADPHONES INSTEAD.....biggrin.gif
post #2700 of 2715
So I have been messing with my new receiver, and I have discovered something a bit odd. when I plug my sub into the sub output on the back of this receiver I get nothing at all. But If I plug it into the adjacent output which is for the front right I get good output. This works fine for now, but I am sure that when I begin to learn how to adjust crossover this will affect the frequencies my sub receives (am I correct in this? I know this is a newb question, but it is just something that I have never learned.) I am starting to think this is why I got the deal I did. Unfortunately I already filed a claim because the unit was dropped and had a ding on the corner (not noticeable, and everything worked.) I was at the time waiting on a Klipsch RW-12d to arrive which is the sub I am using now. Thanks for all of your input!


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