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post #1201 of 12092
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Originally Posted by RMSko View Post

I have the Denon 1910, which is very similar to the 2910 as they both use the Faroudja decoder and I have to say it is horrible with my HL-R5668W. The macro blocking made it unwatchable. It was so bad that I replaced it with the Samsung 950, which has no macro blocking and is much much better.

The 1910 and 2910 are worlds apart. With my hlp6163, I had the 1910 initially and found it unacceptible, while the 2910 is superb. I'm hoping, of course, that it will also do well with the xx68's and xx78's.
post #1202 of 12092
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Originally Posted by DocToss View Post

Just bought the harmony 880 which allows you to hit a button for hdmi1 and then another button for hdmi2 or any other input you want.

Have you gotten that HMDI 2 button to actually switch your TV's input to HDMI 2? If so, did you program that button with a discrete code and if you did could you post the code. I haven't been able to get a code for HDMI 2.
post #1203 of 12092
Got my 6168 last friday and am happy with it so far. I have few questions which might have been answered in this forum but since it has grown so large I have hard time finding the answers I need.
1) How do I remove the base from 6168. Will removing base make it unstable??
2)Best possible stand for around 150$$. ( spent just too much on the tv.. and still need to get upconverting DVD player)
3)When tv is turned off I see an oval white area in the lower middle part of the screen. It is around 12 inch high and 5 inch wide. Not visible when the tv is on?? Is it normal or defective??

All answers and recommendations are welcome.
post #1204 of 12092
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Originally Posted by gondalguru View Post

Got my 6168 last friday and am happy with it so far. I have few questions which might have been answered in this forum but since it has grown so large I have hard time finding the answers I need.

3)When tv is turned off I see an oval white area in the lower middle part of the screen. It is around 12 inch high and 5 inch wide. Not visible when the tv is on?? Is it normal or defective??

Is it such where you can take a picture of it and post it??
post #1205 of 12092
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Originally Posted by gondalguru View Post

Got my 6168 last friday and am happy with it so far. I have few questions which might have been answered in this forum but since it has grown so large I have hard time finding the answers I need.
1) How do I remove the base from 6168. Will removing base make it unstable??
2)Best possible stand for around 150$$. ( spent just too much on the tv.. and still need to get upconverting DVD player)
3)When tv is turned off I see an oval white area in the lower middle part of the screen. It is around 12 inch high and 5 inch wide. Not visible when the tv is on?? Is it normal or defective??

All answers and recommendations are welcome.


1) I beleive you remove the 2 screws in the back near the base of the tv, activate the spring clip things then slide the base out.
post #1206 of 12092
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Originally Posted by GoobTheNoob View Post

I've spent the weekend messing with my 6168 that arrived on Friday. I watched a few DVDs and quite a few movies on DirecTV - all on my HTPC connected via VGA to the TV. Perhaps my eyes became more "critical" the more time I spent watching, but I do notice digital artifacts on many of the DVDs and all of the SD content - it's starting to bug me. The only HD content I have currently is one OTA channel. This signal strength meter, in the TV menu system under Channel, reports 5 bars. The PQ is decent but not overly impressive as I still see digital artifacts and pixelization. Is this to be expected with OTA broadcasts or should I continue questioning my purchase? :/

Has anyone got the TV Guide working? I configured mine but 2 days later, still no data.

After about three days or so I finally got all of the data in the TV guide... I am using Comcast as my cable provider... What picture mode are you running the TV in ? I found that when running it in standard (default) mode that pixelation and artifacts were pretty apparent... Switching to movie mode helped out a lot with this.. If you are using your PC for dvd play back you may want to play with FFDShow and play with some of the noise reduction filters.
post #1207 of 12092
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Originally Posted by calbert View Post

No problem. I enjoyed learning what the 950 can and can't do. Bummer if the Oppo does indeed have MB (assume it's using Faroudja) ... would have considered it as an alternative to the 950, but I'd rather not pass BTB than have MB. I need to spend some time in the DVD forum.

From a number of posts above it seems clear that there is going to be some compromise involved with any (relatively inexpensive) DVD player, primarily choosing between having MB'ing or not passing BTB.

Not passing BTB seems to me to be a killer; wouldn't this negate all the 'detail in dark scenes' that the 10,000 :1 CR of the 1080p sets has made possible? I would find this unacceptible.

I have a Denon 2910 with my hlp6163 and do (on relatively rare occasions) notice MB'ing; but I have not noticed it often enough for it to be a serious problem. It passes BTB with ease, and has overall outstanding PQ. I was concerned, however, about UCSB's report of very poor results with a Denon 3910 and an xx78 set at Magnolia. But then tonydeluce seems to think his 3910 does quite well with his 1080p set (though I believe he is going to replace it with a Pioneer Elite).

It will, of course, be very helpful to get more 'data' from those of you with these new sets, but it looks like it's going to be a very personal choice (as most of these things ultimately seem to be) about which defects they find least objectiionable.
post #1208 of 12092
I still have problems with my HDMI inputs. Images on both of them suck. It is entirely unwatchable with large red bands. I got a DVD player with HDMI input and tried that too. And it is the same. I also got messages twice - Once, it reported that HDCP has been compromised and the other time about DTCP is not supported or something like that.
I have samsung tech person coming in on thrusday. Anyone has problems with HDMI inputs?
All other inputs work great with no problems.
post #1209 of 12092
Anyone here using a Motorola 6200 box with their set? I have mine hooked up with component cables currently and I have noticed artifacts even when the cable box is turned off... Artifacts that sort of resemble what one would experience with a bad video card in a PC (pink / green specs). The box doesn't do this on a Toshiba 42H83 set, and regardless of what component input I use I still get the same artifacts. Using the same component cables with my xbox on the same component inputs gives me no artifacts, so I am wondering if this is just some sort of known issue with this box and this set (5668W)... My dual tuner dvr box will be here on Wednesday so hopefully there will be no artifact issues with the new box... I don't have a DVI - HDMI cable currently so I did not get a chance to test my 6200 box with the HDMI inputs..
post #1210 of 12092
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Originally Posted by skeeteroplagus View Post

Anyone here using a Motorola 6200 box with their set? I have mine hooked up with component cables currently and I have noticed artifacts even when the cable box is turned off... Artifacts that sort of resemble what one would experience with a bad video card in a PC (pink / green specs). The box doesn't do this on a Toshiba 42H83 set, and regardless of what component input I use I still get the same artifacts. Using the same component cables with my xbox on the same component inputs gives me no artifacts, so I am wondering if this is just some sort of known issue with this box and this set (5668W)... My dual tuner dvr box will be here on Wednesday so hopefully there will be no artifact issues with the new box... I don't have a DVI - HDMI cable currently so I did not get a chance to test my 6200 box with the HDMI inputs..

I have DCT 6200 and component inputs work fine. Only the HDMI inputs have problems. Try the HDMI inputs, if you have not done them already.
post #1211 of 12092
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by gargoyle007 View Post

I may have to consider that. Right now I have four remotes sitting on the coffee table. i have them figured out but they are driving the rest of the family crazy. Which remote do you suggest?

You might look at a few at remotecentral.com. I don't have a Harmony, but they look nice to me. If you want to put in a lot of work, but get totally custom results, I can recommend the Philips Pronto TSU3000/TSU7000 that I own.
post #1212 of 12092
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

From a number of posts above it seems clear that there is going to be some compromise involved with any (relatively inexpensive) DVD player, primarily choosing between having MB'ing or not passing BTB.

Not passing BTB seems to me to be a killer; wouldn't this negate all the 'detail in dark scenes' that the 10,000 :1 CR of the 1080p sets has made possible? I would find this unacceptible.

I have a Denon 2910 with my hlp6163 and do (on relatively rare occasions) notice MB'ing; but I have not noticed it often enough for it to be a serious problem. It passes BTB with ease, and has overall outstanding PQ. I was concerned, however, about UCSB's report of very poor results with a Denon 3910 and an xx78 set at Magnolia. But then tonydeluce seems to think his 3910 does quite well with his 1080p set (though I believe he is going to replace it with a Pioneer Elite).

It will, of course, be very helpful to get more 'data' from those of you with these new sets, but it looks like it's going to be a very personal choice (as most of these things ultimately seem to be) about which defects they find least objectiionable.

The 3910 works great with the 6168 but there are a few scenes on a few
DVDs where the MB is very apparent. If the Pioneer 59avi does not give me
the same ballpark PQ as the 3910 I will definitely live the MB from time to time.
I also don't see it as a serious problem but after spending all this money on
a TV I have no problem spending just a little more to achieve perfection.

Not passing BTB will not negate all the shadow detail but may possible clip
some detail if not properly set up. If you set your DVD player up per the THX
instructions you should still get a very nice pictrure with very minimal clipping.
post #1213 of 12092
i thought the thx instructions where for that particular movie?
post #1214 of 12092
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Originally Posted by slocko View Post

i thought the thx instructions where for that particular movie?

It is. You can also find BTB general test patterns on the Digital Video Essentials
DVD.
post #1215 of 12092
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Originally Posted by tonydeluce View Post

The 3910 works great with the 6168 but there are a few scenes on a few
DVDs where the MB is very apparent. If the Pioneer 59avi does not give me
the same ballpark PQ as the 3910 I will definitely live the MB from time to time.
I also don't see it as a serious problem but after spending all this money on
a TV I have no problem spending just a little more to achieve perfection.

Not passing BTB will not negate all the shadow detail but may possible clip
some detail if not properly set up. If you set your DVD player up per the THX
instructions you should still get a very nice pictrure with very minimal clipping.

Really looking forward to your report on how the Pio Elite does compared to the 3910. But I don't understand your last paragraph about BTB and shadow detail. Seems to me that if the player can't resolve those last few 'black bars' in the pluge pattern (I use DVE to set black and white levels), then it must not be able to resolve these features in actual scenes. ?? (But I'm certainly not expert in these matters.)
post #1216 of 12092
Some posts back I reported a "white dot" (stuck pixel) problem. Well I called Samsung and they are sending someone tomorrow to look at it (fantastic customer service!). They think there is definitely something wrong and based on past experience I won't be surprised if they install a new light engine. My only concern is that since the 1080p sets are so new, the service rep won't have a 1080p light engine, or worse, he'll put in a 720p light engine!
post #1217 of 12092
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

Really looking forward to your report on how the Pio Elite does compared to the 3910. But I don't understand your last paragraph about BTB and shadow detail. Seems to me that if the player can't resolve those last few 'black bars' in the pluge pattern (I use DVE to set black and white levels), then it must not be able to resolve these features in actual scenes. ?? (But I'm certainly not expert in these matters.)

BTB is a "margin" space that does not transmit picture info and is not meant to
be seen by the eye. Having a DVD player that transmits BTB gives you some
"breathing" space to avoid clipping of data that was meant to be seen.
post #1218 of 12092
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

From a number of posts above it seems clear that there is going to be some compromise involved with any (relatively inexpensive) DVD player, primarily choosing between having MB'ing or not passing BTB.
...

It will, of course, be very helpful to get more 'data' from those of you with these new sets, but it looks like it's going to be a very personal choice (as most of these things ultimately seem to be) about which defects they find least objectiionable.

Well said ... couldn't agree more. Point well taken on the lack of BTB limiting shadow detail ... I probably would trade for BTB with MB if the MB wasn't too noticeable in most circumstances, but I need to learn more first. Thanks for the opinions on the 2910 ... I'll spend some time (to my wife's dismay, I'm sure ) reviewing my options for a player before deciding what to do with my 950.
post #1219 of 12092
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by darkmark View Post

Get the 6/28 firmware on there. Use the DVI button on the remote to switch modes. 1080i works wonderful with the Oppo. I've watched 3 or 4 films now on the 6168 and it's so good, I forget I'm not in the theater. My wife likes the Harry Potter films (which can be extremely dark at times), and I'm really really impressed with the Oppo/Samsung output.

Note that I was getting large lip sync delay if I used HDMI via input 1, but HDMI via input 2 seems to reduce the delay to unoticable amounts.

Your our first OPPO reviewer. Are you seeing any macroblocking? Macroblocking would appear like video noise. It might vary by scene or DVD. You shouldn't have any problem seeing it based on results from Denon 3910 and Panasonic S97S. If you have Star Wars: Attack of the Clones, it will bring out any problems.
post #1220 of 12092
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Originally Posted by UCSB View Post

Your our first OPPO reviewer. Are you seeing any macroblocking? Macroblocking would appear like video noise. It might vary by scene or DVD. You shouldn't have any problem seeing it base on results from Denon 3910 and Panasonic S97S. If you have Star Wars: Attack of the Clones, it will bring out any problems.

The oppo uses the same Faroudja as the 3910 so will definitely produce MB but
the question is how much. Alledgedly the 3910 has done one of the best
jobs so far in minimizing the MB ( 2910 isn't that bad either ) from the Faroudja chip
so it will be interesting to hear hear darkmarks comments in this regard.
post #1221 of 12092
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Originally Posted by calbert View Post

No problem. I enjoyed learning what the 950 can and can't do. Bummer if the Oppo does indeed have MB (assume it's using Faroudja) ... would have considered it as an alternative to the 950, but I'd rather not pass BTB than have MB. I need to spend some time in the DVD forum.


BTB means? Black-to-black? Which is what?

And what is MB? microblocking? What artifact does this cause?
post #1222 of 12092
BTB means Blacker than Black.
post #1223 of 12092
I'm new here on AVS (and loving the info) What I was wondering is I'm interested in the Samsung 5078 -

- Do y'all have any suggestions on the best place to purchase it?

- Are the warranty's really worth purchasing?


Dave
post #1224 of 12092
Has anyone with HTPC tried to get 1:1 Pixel mapping without the overscan?
This is also a big issue for me since I will be using the TV as a big monitor.
People with HTPC... Please help.


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Originally Posted by mediamaestro View Post

Hi all, I have been a longtime lurker forever it seems....even back when we were waiting for the HLP's. I have gained an unbelievable amount of knowledge from all the posters so thanks for that.

I am getting ready to purchase soon and had a question for the HTPC folks that already have the 6168W. Has anyone got 1080p 1920 X 1080 VGA working without any underscan/overscan and still retain 1:1 pixel mapping. This is a big issue for me and if it would not be able to be worked out I would probably drop down to the 6167 at 720p with no overscan/underscan. I saw some of the screenshots someone posted and to me that is not acceptable. I will be using Windows Media Center 2005 and and Nvidia 7800GTX.

Also just for the HTPC needs if I wasn't happy and dropped the resolution on the HTPC down to 1280 X 720 and use HDMI or VGA to the TV, the 6168 would scale that to 1080, yes this isn't the best soloution I know but if it would get around the overscan/underscan issues then it may be an option for me, and I would still have High Quality PQ for my other sources. Has anyone tried this?
post #1225 of 12092
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Originally Posted by dbattle View Post

I'm new here on AVS (and loving the info) What I was wondering is I'm interested in the Samsung 5078 -

- Do y'all have any suggestions on the best place to purchase it?


Dave

I think it would be hard to beat TVA's Power Buy, from both price and service. You can find tons of info about it in this forum.
post #1226 of 12092
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Originally Posted by gondalguru View Post

3)When tv is turned off I see an oval white area in the lower middle part of the screen. It is around 12 inch high and 5 inch wide. Not visible when the tv is on?? Is it normal or defective??

I'd wager you have an overhead light that is in the center of the room, right? The light from an overhead light often creates an odd internal reflection pattern that can look like what you describe when the TV is off. You won't see it when the TV is on since the light the TV emits is brighter than the reflections.
post #1227 of 12092
I have posted the picture of the tv with the white area in the lower middle part of tv (when it is off) on yahoo photo. Does anyone have the same whitish area on the screen?

http://photos.yahoo.com/gondalguru
post #1228 of 12092
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Originally Posted by skeeteroplagus View Post

After about three days or so I finally got all of the data in the TV guide... I am using Comcast as my cable provider... What picture mode are you running the TV in ? I found that when running it in standard (default) mode that pixelation and artifacts were pretty apparent... Switching to movie mode helped out a lot with this.. If you are using your PC for dvd play back you may want to play with FFDShow and play with some of the noise reduction filters.


I have been using Movie mode and I agree, it does help but some stuff is just plain ugly. I am using the PC for dvd playback. I tried to use ffdshow last night but it just caused SageTV to crash. I'll see if I can't find another build that works.
post #1229 of 12092
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Originally Posted by JJAMO View Post

Has anyone with HTPC tried to get 1:1 Pixel mapping without the overscan?
This is also a big issue for me since I will be using the TV as a big monitor.
People with HTPC... Please help.

Check some of the posts in this thread. You will have to set up a custom resolution to get 1:1 Pixel mapping with no overscan.
post #1230 of 12092
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Is it such where you can take a picture of it and post it??

I have posted the picture of the tv with the white area in the lower middle part of tv (when it is off) on yahoo photo. Does anyone have the same whitish area on the screen? Not visible when tv is on.

http://photos.yahoo.com/gondalguru
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