Samsung 1080p Owner's Thread --- HLRxxx8W DLP Models - Page 45

Via HDMI I cannot even pass the brightness test

What we need now is for someone to find us a definative scene about black levels and then to snag 2 dvds for A/B. I could go down and rent two from HV and then run one through my Sony DVPS7000 (which seems to pass B2B and my HD950). I just need the title/scene and what I should look for.

Well DD can be anywhere from .1 to 5.1. DD 2.0 or 2.1 is quite common. Anyway I have not seen anything but 2.0 from my TV via the optical to date.

Actually you're right about this! I forgot that even when I tried this test via DVE, it didn't work, i.e., I couldn't see the bars that you were suppose to see even if I turned brightness all the way up. That was on Standard mode, I think it did pass on Movie mode. Isn't it possible that the DVE tests just won't apply to a 1080p set? When DVE was created there were no 1080p sets and it may be we need to wait for a newer version to come out???

The only connection from my DVD player to the TV is via HDMI. I don't use any additional optical or coax to the TV since that is going to my surround sound processor. When the DVD sends its sound via HDMI to the TV a message appears on the screen stating that HDMI audio is not supported and no sound comes from the TV speakers. This message is from the DVD player I think (its ugly and white - not like the TV messages which are graphical and look like Windows).

If I reconfigure the DVD to send PCM vs Bitstream, then I don't get this message and you can here sounds over the TV speakers from the DVD player.

Did you try it with the coax in and the optical out (or have you just been testing HDMI)?

ccouper

.....and you have multiple OTA high def stations so its not a matter of just one or two stations (like I had a year ago).

I think the 'error' message is coming from the DVD player. There is an option on the DVD to suppress on screen messages. You may have that turned off if you do not see this alert. I may consider turning mine off too

I see that you are using internal mute which may suppress the binding of sound via hdmi. I will try that later.

I don't see how its samsungs fault that an external device causes a sync problem. I could see if the internal tuners were causing the problems but its not. Its only external devices (cable boxes, sat boxes, dvd players, etc).

I think you should be getting on direct tv, scientific atlanta, and motorola's case to add a configurable delay into the settings on their boxes. Then contact all dvd makers and have them do the same. This is really the best way to solve this problem.

Scott: it is a little troubling that we are on the 5th or 6th generation and are still seeing these sort of problems.

I will probably need a new HT receiver and have been looking at Denon, Onkyo and Yahama receivers. Seems like they have been having HDMI trouble with their newer units. Perhaps they all rushed, a little too much, to get their new gear into the market????

Excellent! I've noticed that the thing is absolutely silent as well ... hopefully it's not too silent (read: is the fan working?!?)

I've seen rainbows, but as soon as I drop Contrast down to about 45 I rarely see them and it doesn't hurt the PQ much at all. Love the tv.

The synch issues are from multiple sources. I agree that its not the TV's fault that the content is out of sync, or that another component (STB) is adding sync issues. But the TV itself is adding a little (~100 ms it appears) in processing the picture. On gaming systems you cannot do anything since any delays would show up in the game controller response. I can live with that myself.

However since this is an issue with many setups, I do feel that SS and other TV makers need to include it in their design better. It appears that the AVR vendors are now doing that by supplying the delay feature. The frustration from most folks is that the industry has not really been doing a good job in this area and the should have worked this issue over before the consumers came into the game. One problems is that with these higher res TV's and all the bells and whistles they are tossing in for digital processing, the issues and problems are getting more prevelant.

That is the JSP Jazzy Credenza from Sound Advice/Tweeters. It was bought to appease the wife, but I really like it now too. Has lots of room for components and a center channel speaker.

WOW.
My number is up at tva, and i wanted to make sure it was still the best price.. eveidently its not??
I called Harvey's in abc and they pretty much laughed at me when i told them the power buy price. They pretty much sell everything at retail and said tva is a bunch of sheisters-non authorized yadda yadda, and that my samsung warranty would be useless from them. Never got a chance to tell them that this would be my second dlp set thru tva and that i had warranty work done with the first set thru samsung... anyway. Congrats on the price and the set. Adding in local tax and delivery, u got an amazing deal if u could beat the pb price.

Snoburn, i sent you another pm, if you realy got that price on that set, i am absolutely stunned.
I called my local flower dealer and they quoted me pretty much the retail price.

I am happy for you, but im almost thinking you got in on a price mistake, mayhap they sold u this yrs model at last yrs price, i dunno. Also my local guy didnt have a time frame on when the 56's would be in stock. Sno if you can confirm after getting delivery that you really did get a 5668, i would love some help form ya.

Again congrats on everyone who got these amazing discounts and have the sets.

On a side note on the dvd players, samsung upconverting units always had problems with black levels thru the digital port, dunno if the 950 is another dud from them....

Anywhos, hoping to join this thread as an owner by the end of the week.
K

Just to confirm what messages I'm seeing and where they're coming from:

> DVD-HD950 ---(HDMI)--> 5078
> DVD-HD950 ---(coax)--> AVR
> 5078's Internal Mute set to: ON

With this setup the HD950 is displaying "HDMI Audio Not Supported" in the top left corner of the screen every time I send a new signal from the player (meaning every time I press play after having stopped). This message is being displayed because the player is trying to send an audio signal over HDMI that my 5078 cannot support. I still of course get DD and DTS on my AVR, since I'm feeding it the audio directly via digital coax.

But the message is annoying. All messages from the HD950 can be turned off, which fixes the problem temporarily. But the player DOES NOT REMEMBER your change to that setting after power off. This is a known issue that's been discussed in the DVD (Standard Def) forum under the 950 thread. I believe someone there has spoken with Samsung technical and is awaiting an answer.

I'll continue detailed discussion of the 950 over there now, and will update you guys occasionally with a link to anything that appears pertinent to what we're discussing here. I've just posted a couple of other observations about the 950 in the DVD-HD950 thread that you might be interested in if you have it or are considering it.

Talk to you later ...

I don't either, except that the Optical/coax SPDIF should loop through the TV from each source. This loop through would either auto sync or possibly have circuitry similar to the Felston to adjust the delay from each source.

IF you do not experience a lip sync issue using just your receiver (i.e., TV speakers muted) then "screw" the echo test! As noted in one of these threads, human sensory perception is such that you can "fail" the echo test but experience no lip sync problem while viewing media in your normal manner (i.e., receiver only). If you experince a lip sync problem under normal conditions then the basic question is whether you have the functionality (receiver, DVD player, external box) to delay the audio signal and resync audio & video, not whether you pass or fail the echo test. If you do have a lip sync problem and do not have the capabilty to re-sync the audio then that is probably the only time you'd want to run the audio directly to the TV and use the TV's internal speakers. Otherwise, leave them off.

(IMHO... The "echo test" is akin to the situation a month or so back where someone provided a test pattern that would always show rainbows even to folks who have never seen rainbows while viewing a dlp set. If you do not experience a problem, why go looking for it?)

That's strange. I have mine configured the same way, but I'm not getting the "HDMI Audio Not Supported" error message. The only difference is I have mine connected via optical to the A/V Receiver, which should not make a difference. My set is an HL-R5668W, but I'd be surprised if that would make the difference. Maybe there is something wrong with your set??? Anyone else having this problem?

I see Crutchfield now shows the 78 tabletop series in stock (granted, it says low stock) for the 50" and 56" and 61"....no stock of the 70+"

Would love to see that 50" in action...

Is the audio output of your HD950 set to "bitstream" or "pcm?" Mine is set to bistream so that my AVR will receive DD or DTS over the digital coax connection.

I'm not blaming Samsung. I have a HR10-250. I want to run HDMI to the 6168 and optical to my AV receiver. I also want to be able to hear the sound out of the TV to synch it up with the receiver via the echo test.

Sounds like this can't be done because the HR10-250 will output, for some HDTV channels, 5.1 via HDMI and the 6168 will not be able to play this on it's internal speakers. That is my question. Why does Samsung accept HDMI, but can't accept a 5.1 signal and discard the unwanted channels?

Here's the big question: Are you able to send 5.1 audio via the HDMI and will the TV accept and play the audio using only 2 channels?

This appears to be the exact same problem I had with my HD941..HDMI Audio Not Supported...Not remembering settings...BTB...and I got this Bright green flash of light during replay 1-3 times per movie...It seems Samsung has no clue how to produce a player without a lot of issues.

Bitstream.

Yes, I'm becoming more and more disappointed as these problems crop up. I think I can live without passing BTB for now, since the picture when paired with my 5078 is so nice anyway. But if I can't figure out the locking (see 950 thread) and flashing, the player's going back. I really want to like it, but I'm not going to live with that kind of hassle.

Wow. You have the same setup as mine, with no direct connection between the tv and AVR, and you're not getting that message from the HD950. Heh. Their own devices should at least play well with each other like yours is doing. Looks like I'm calling Samsung.

At least one other person selected the internal mute option for that input on the TV and does not seem to get this message. I will try tonight.

Blame your local affiliate.

If the "show" is in HD, but the commercials are in SD, your affiliate has to switch between UP-CONVERTING the SD, and just PASSING-THROUGH the HD.

For local stations that have been doing this a while, they are probably using older equipment which will not switch automatically. This means that a HUMAN has to sit there watching the show, and manually throw a switch every time the show goes to commercial, and again when it comes back from commercial. If the HUMAN is not paying attention.....

That last local affiliate to go HD in Albuquerque, was our NBC station. Since they were last, they have the latest equipment to handle HD broadcasts. Their equipment actually detects when there is HD to PASS-THROUGH, and when it needs to switch to UP-CONVERTING SD material. Even it is not perfect, however. Their equipment probably auto-switches correctly 99% of the time.

Our NBC affiliate only turns on this equipment at the beginning of their nightly broadcast. Sometimes they forget to do that, and the HD material will be sent out as UP-CONVERTED SD instead --- until one of us viewers calls in an reminds them to turn on the HD PASS-THROUGH. Since I record everything, it usually is not me

John

The audio to the A/V reciever is not going through the TV so how can the TV do anything to sync the audio? I guess we can build the A/V receiver into the TV but most audiophiles would not like that either.

In response to the discussion of the "HDMI Audio Not Supported" message, check out what I was told by Samsung here.