Samsung 1080p Owner's Thread --- HLRxxx8W DLP Models - Page 9

new xbox and PS3 don't exist yet. I don't think anyone should be saying what they will and won't do. The PS3 has already eliminated its 2nd network jack and router ability. Who knows what it'll be like whenever its released.

Take my advice and just ignore REINCARNATE. He drinks the Haterade, and a lot of it. My so many people on AVS make themselves feel good by hating on others stuff I will never understand.

hi all,

well, my 6168 finally arrived today. SEKO guy arrived just when he said he would. i was there for delivery from my parking lot to my door. unpacked the tv, put it on the stand, plug it in, turn it on...

about a 1.5inch wavy black line goes horizontally from one end of the screen to the other, about 3/4 of the way down from the top of the screen.

this is w/no inputs connected.

the top of the screen is also distorted.

talked to samsung, they said they've never heard anything like it.

talked to james at TVA, they'll send me a new one when they can, and pick up the defective one

needless to say, i'm really really really disappointed. so close!

any ideas what might be wrong? samsung will send a technician out when they can. i supposed i can have the tv serviced, and still have TVA pick up the defective/repaired one?

ugh

-c

i'll try to post pics, once i get settled

Ouch!!!! This must hurt...

But hang in there - some more patience and I am sure you will be having a great time with your splendid new HDTV!!

John,

Looks good, but you barely got that sucker in there! I haven't had a chance to go thru all the thread but I would get some exhaust venting in there ASAP. You may have to put baffles to direct the fan flow into the chassis vents, but I can see the big possibility of thermal problems which would shorten the bulbs life as well as some of the other electronics. Since you live in the inland empire, I would suspect that back wall is getting a bit warm also. It looks like the easiest porting is going to have to go thru the stand.

Paul

I currently have in my living room an RCA/Thomson HD61LPW163, which is a 720p 61" HD2+ television. It arrived in mid-January from TigerDirect and was broken out-of-the-box in much the same way as you describe yours. Note that I got it in January and I STILL have it. RCA/Thomson has NOT been very good to me. They are finally in the process of buying it back from me, at which point I'll be telling TVA to charge me and ship out my new 6168 to replace it.

I've had a tech look at my set and the verdict was a crack in the optics inside the light engine. He isolated the output of the light engine while he had the back off the TV off and projected the picture straight out of it and onto the wall. It showed the same distortion.

On my set, the top 5-10% of the screen is purple. It's thinner on the left and gets thicker as it goes. This dividing line is slightly curved and has a bit of a rainbow effect along its edge. The curve, the color change, and the prismatic effect along the line all fit with the diagnosis of a crack in a glass element of the optics.

RCA wanted to replace the light engine at first, but the part wasn't available and the TV had other problems too. (Comcast tried 4 different CableCards in it and none of them would work.) So 7 months later I am a little under halfway through their estimated 6-8 weeks to process the buy-back.

Good for you for ordering from TVA with their exchange guarantee... I whish I had done the same from the start, but I'm definitely going with them THIS time.

I just BETTER not get this same problem like you did... After 7-8 months, I don't think I could stand it.

But then, we don't buy a 3.5K+ TV for a year or two. I intend to keep my tv for 5 years atleast and I'm sure within the next two years a lot of sources will have 1080p ... including xbox, ps3, BR players, HD-DVD players and upconverting DVD players.

I hope Samsung can add 1080p with a firmware fix sometime later ...

I don't think you are sure.

Computers can do it now, but there is very little 1080p source material available for computers.


Samsung won't be able to add 1080p input through HDMI with a firmware fix.

Newbe question again. I am looking for a new dvd player for my 6168. I would like to stick with samsung for the ease of remotes. If the 6168 upconverts the signal coming in from a cheap dvd player, is there a need to get the more expensive one? And how is the hd 950? Thanks, Tom

Many people believe that a good quality upconverting DVD player will do a better job of upconverting and deinterlacing than what the internal processor of the TV will do.

Whether that will be the case with the new Samsungs I don't know, but I would venture to guess that it will be.

There are atleast 2 opinions on this. The prevailing opinion (IMHO) is to get an upconverting DVD player for best results. The reasons are:

1) The less processing the TV has to do the better. This will go a long way in eliminating audio lip-sync issues when using an AV receiver for sound processing.

2) And the DVD players probably do a better job at upconverting than these TVs (I could be wrong on this one).

I think there is a DVD player thread on this site that you can search. HD950 is one of the cheapest ones available - so I am pretty sure people are talking a whole lot about it.

Here's a good site that reviews DVD players in depth. http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-b...h&articles=all

This link is for all of their DVD player reviews so it make take a moment to load.

I hope this helps.

I went to Magnolia to check out the 5668. HD looked awesome. They were playing HDNet over DirecTivo. SD looked like crud, which I expected. About the same as my TV56X81. An ad was running with polaroids of people on angle and the edges were severely stepped. I guess dialing down the sharpness might help this.

The text was blurry, etc, but as I said, no diff than my 56X81. Good to see my TV is not in as bad a shape as I thought

These are truly gorgeous. Too bad I have to wait to buy a house first - I'll miss the power buy and it'll cost me a pretty penny, or many pretty pennies

Steve

Keep in mind that often those SD feeds are not from a digital source if you switched from the TIVO and not all their TV's are using component. I could not get BB in our area to switch and view and SD feed as they weren't setup for it. Our BB just remodelled and the new Magnolia may now be finished and can check it out but before they had Mag in-store they would not demo a direct SD channel as only certain sets were sharing off live Feeds and the rest streaming an HD feed.

It would be nice if we coud confirm from a new owner their experience in their home of SD if they have a digital connection through cable or Sat. Thanks for taking the time to give us the feedback of your experience. My current Sharp and Sony LCD FP comes in way better than it ever did in the store with every signal hopefully SD on this new model will give some digital PQ also. Thanks!

Got my 6168, samsung stand and neuNeo upconverting DVD player yesterday. IN general everything worked as well as advertised. The stand took about 90 minutes to assemble. Very clear instructions. The TV fits well. The silver speakers appear to me part of the stand making the floating screen design really look floating. The TV feels unusually light. I could lift it by myself and I am not particularly strong or athelatic.

Everything worked fine but I have a few issues
1. I don't have good HD source yet. I have only OTA signal and even a few HD singnals I get don't really broadcast good HD material. Therefore it is really hard to test PG.
2. I played a few DVD through NeuNeo DVD player. With component video, the picture is certainly better than standard NTSC or progressive NTSC. Better black and bettershaprnesss. But still doe snot come close to really HD material.
3. I had problems using HDMI from DVD player to the TV. I bought the cable from NeuNeo. The video is fine but audio cuts off regularly as if the bits are lost ormismatchh of thefrequencye and TV is trying to sync the audio with video. Tries several setting but it has not yet worked.
4. I am a Mac user so I will be trying out VGA and firewire connections this weekend. Anyone wants me to test anything in particular?
I have to get HD cable service -- planned for next week.

In summary, TV and stand look good, work well but require more testing before I see value from 1080 resolution!

Westa6969...I noticed that you have the HLR6768 as shipping 7/25...is this confirmed?...also does that mean TVA will be shipping them on the 25th to customers or Samsung is shipping them to retailers...tired of waiting for this beast.

I believe the last email I received this week that notified of the second shipments that they included a notice within that they still anticipated and listed the date as 7/25 for expected date of shipping of the 6768, I received this a few days ago but I have not received my confirmation call as yet and would not be surprised if a slight delay were to occur. This is the direct quote copied and pasted from the email:


My confirmation call may come later as I did not order until first week of July depending on how many are in front of me and quantity available. Looking for some quality reviews while I wait from owners ahead of me - to bad we can't send them a six pack or a fifth or a months subscription to the Playboy Channel as an incentive.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/highdefgaming.htm
A Blu-ray Dvd player will be included with the PS3.

Warner Bros. is working with MicroSoft encoding their Hd Dvd movies at 1920*1080 24fps progressive. Will these Samsungs accept this progressive input or will it have to be unnecessarily deinterlaced to be input to the display?

So what does a prudent consumers do, spend $5-8K on a display that will be second best and lose half of its value in less than a year? IMHO anyone spending over $2k should considering waiting until near Christmas. Imagine reading similar threads here on AVS forum next year. Then the real/true 1080p input displays, along with 1080p24fps HD players will rule the roost.

My 6168 is being delivered Monday afternoon. I just picked up a SA 8000 HD DVR from Comcast cable. The rep at Comcast is telling PQ from this box will be better than cable card depite the fact that the DVI port is unactivated and I'll be using component. Is this guy full of it? They don't have 8300's available yet. Is there PQ loss across a HD-DVR typically?? After I'm all set up, I may have them bring a regular digital cable box (Motorola 4250?) with DVI out to compare.

I will only spend the time to correct this one error. The current JVC LCOS technology has a poor pixel response time. Even JVC admits it as they exhibited their "new and improved" LCOS displays at the CES. The smearing of the current models as compared to the new models (to be introduced this fall?) was dramatic. Poor pixel response time is both "blocky and noisy". The entire worldwide LCD industry has worked with excellent progress to reduce these types of artifacts.
So while the symptoms are somewhat similar poor pixel response time is not macroblocking.

I immediately observed it in the stores each time I saw the JVC LCOS.
However I have high expectations that the new 1920*1080p JVC displays will make true advances in rear projector technology.

The irony is that you Tony recently spent $$$ on an expensive rear projector and are already not satisfied with the picture quality because of its poor pixel response and other limitations. (I would not be either). So here am I trying to prevent others from undergoing a similar ordeal and you are fighting me. Does misery enjoy company?

swankdaddy7

I received my HD Box a few months ago from Comcast and they provided component and were against hdmi use as the box would have needed a DVI-HDMI cable. My Sharp LCD comes in Awesome on HD via component and I cannot imagine a better PQ on a 32" TV so I haven't had to bother with the HDMI yet. Their installers are just learning how to do the cable cards and some of them are learning by the seat of their pants and who knows if you can believe what they say?

I just received my new Sammy 950 DVD and will try that sometime this weekend and it includes both an HDMI and DVI in the box - I'll see how that works but I don't want to report necessarily on it as my tests will be on my Sharp LCD until my 6768 arrives and some folks may get irritated if I'm reporting on a FP performace pending receipt of my 1080P Samsung. I rarely watch anything but HD now even though there are less than 20 channels but those 20 are frickin unbelievable and so I cannot wait to experience it on a 67" 1080P. Bottom line - the Component Cables give an awesome HD viewing experience. I'm hoping this 1080P can come close or exceed my Sharp LCD FP.

Yes, HTPCs can do that now and CRT FPTVs have been accepting 1080p for a long time. Anyway, when I say sources, I'm talking about devices which output 1080p. Apparently film based HiDef DVDS (both HDDVD and BR) will store 1080p 24fps. At a minimum I'd like my TVs to take that as input.

I think I read earlier that the chip Samsung uses can take 1080p. So I thought it may be a matter of firmware change .... can't think how that kind of a thing can be hardwired. Ofcourse if the chip can't handle 1080p ... thats a different issue. Then they should offer a board upgrade.

In a fast changing environment, what sounds esoteric today becomes the norm tomorrow. Couple of years back every one was fighting against HDCP in these board and I had not heard of HDMI. Now everyone demands HDMI with HDCP.

What I hate about getting one of these big TVs is the difficulty in selling these off to upgrade. After effortlessly going through five or six FPTVs and not losing much money with each upgrade, these TVs look like a bad "investment", esp. if they can't ever do 1080p on HDMI.

reincarnate

Has JVC announced any other advances besides the 1080P that includes improvements in blacks and CR? It appears everyone has but i haven't heard word of other areas of improvement besides 1080P on the JVC's.

Six months ago i would view the JVC's and many of them were the brightest and whitest on display but every place I went to view there appeared to be flaws in the panel itself. I could see random horizontal lines on the panels and then when the 720P's shipped around March i followed it and the responses were laden with problems and strong endorsement from any significant numbers were lacking. The QC issues turned me off and those panel lines I could observe at each store I visited which to looked to be a flaw in the panel itself.

There were high hopes for these JVC's after CES but i havn't heard of improvements in other areas besides the 1080P for JVC unlike the upcomiing Sony SXRD, Hitachi's, Toshiba's, Mits, and the Samsung 1080P - they worked on much more than just 1080P. I'm not saying your wrong but what else do they have to offer to overcome other weaknesses posted here over the past 6-9 months? Perhaps our Sammy's won't be the Holy Grail but the overall feedback has been demonstrably positive from respondents. Thanks for your input - Hope JVC's are improved as we all become winners through competition.

nataraj

I've never considered my TV an investment especially a huge DLP? Unless your lucky enough to get a local buyer it could work but considering Electronics have sort of their own "Moore's Law" where technology changes so rapidly and price reductions how could resale keep up with this dynamic change unless it nominally subsidizes the next TV as today's 1080P may be next years dinosaur. i don't think they are any more an "Investment" than a PC is - just try pawning a PC that may have been state of the art a year earlier. Electronics follows this formula unless it is very unique. I sold my Bose SS HT after 5 yrs and got half what I paid for it on Ebay which isn't bad but it wasn't an investment but helped me migrate to newer technology that better suited my current needs. In that respect with some items it can help but it's not like holding onto a Mercedes SL500 convertible or collector car - vast majority are for enjoyment and decline -

Enjoy - Life is Short! The true investment is in enjoying the time we have not waiting for the time when it may be an investment or it may be the Holy Grail. It's only Money and all my other bill/tax collectors get plenty that I may not get enjoyment out of but at least I can truly enjoy this and that is the Investment (the experience)- not the money! If you gots the MONEY Enjoy and the hell with Waiting.

pup73,

I can sympathize - just received my 6168 today and the lamp quit after about 2 hours of use! Samsung is dispatching a tech next week, but I doubt he'll have a part in-hand. Now I'm just hoping to have it working by the end of next week.
Here's to hoping the rest of you have better luck with your sets (I've got a six pack of Killian's Red with me to help ease the pain )

Hey westa6969, I noticed you said that your local Best Buy was remodeling and adding a magnolia.... I also noticed that you are in the suburbs of Detroit... That Best Buy wouldn't be the one off M59 right near the M53 ramp would it? Was just there the other day and noticed that they were remodeling... Would be nice if they are adding a Magnolia to it...

obviously something is not quite right w/this picture...the black wavy line was there immediately after turning it on. there is also alot of distortion at the top of the screen.

Samsung technicians will be here monday to see what they can do. TVA is going to ship a replacement.

since it's too late to call TVA right now, i'll ask this here on the forum-TVA immediately said they will ship a replacement and pick up the damaged TV. If the Samsung technicians are able to repair it on monday, do you guys think TVA would mind receiving a serviced but now functioning tv, or would they prefer receiving a malfunctioning tv, so they can either send it to Samsung themselves or service it themselves?

i ask this because if the Samsung technicians can fix it monday, there will be virtually no down time for my part.

BTW, has anyone seen this happen on a DLP?

thanks for any info

-c

skeeteroplagus

Yes, that's the one - I live out in the Stoney Creek area. I was there a few weeks back and what a mess the place was and they said they expected to be finished in a few weeks - I asked if the addition included a Magnolia and he said he thought so but you never know if those BB guys know anything beyond selling extended warranties. The last time i was there they didn't know what 1080P was - how could you sell HT and not know - as the Donald would say "Your FIRED!The misinformation you hear them spout off to customers is kind of tragic as many actually think they know what they are talking about.

Hopefully they'll clear the mess up because they had everything out in the open sharing poor connections and about 1 foot viewing distance for the DLP's lined up and I ask the guy how they could sell anything it all looked like crapola. If the stores still a mess I won't bother besides they always seem to get new TV's a month later than anyone else and was hoping they'd get a Mag center and improve things. One can hope anyways.

What a small world - I live in Macomb Twp. (22 mile road and Hayes...) I work out in Oxford sometimes so I pass near Stoney Creek on a normal basis.

I was at Best Buy on Wednesday and it was still a complete mess... I was looking at a 5667W they had on display and I couldn't believe the crap signal they were sending to it...

Ouch Pup73... Hopefully you get a new set asap! I hope my 5668W doesn't end up being a dud....

Is there a Calibration Specialist in the House? I would guess they or an AV Engineer would ID this in a heartbeat. Youmay want to post these Pic's in it's own thread to request help from all viewing.

Pup - WoW is that ever strange - almost looks like the interior of the panel has tape or something blocking the diplays and the displays is below where it should be and a cable or something hanging in the way accounting for the wave - does the wave move or is it static? I've never seen anything like that but I've never owned a DLP. It seems impossible to display in that fashion unless blocking is taking place inside? That is really strange. I can't think how you could purosely create such a wave with a mirrored projection even if you tried unless the panel was blocked inside from seeing or receiving the projection. Ouch - Good Luck!