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post #31 of 12092
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FLApilot ... to answer your questions. I don't know what your receiver budget is, but I would try and get an HDMI switching receiver. The 5668 has two HDMI inputs and if you are only going to say run a DVD player and STB then you could save some money on a receiver because you would have enough digital inputs. But, a HDMI switching receiver will give you some flexibility in the future and simplify your system operation. Here are a couple of new Pioneer models that I think are nice: CLICK HERE. These new receivers seem to have a lot of nice features for the price. We should see a number of new HDMI switching receivers over the next six months. Remember, check that the receiver has an audio delay feature (just in case).

But, if you want to save some money you can go with less expensive receivers and then send the video directly to the TV and switch the HDMI input via your remote control. This approach is a lot less painful if you have a programmable remote. I have a Pronto TSU3000 and I have programmed all of the input switching into macros ... translation, it is easy for me to switch from one component to another without using my receiver for switching. This is just a short term solution, I want to get a HDMI switching receiver just as soon as I see one that has the right mix of features for my installation.

Anyway, congrat's on the TV purchase.
post #32 of 12092
I am frustrated, I will admit. A Fighter Pilot gets that way! But, thank you UCSB for the input. I have a Harman Kardon AVR with RCA switching. I am probably going to stay put until more hit the market. I have a Pioneer from the old days and it works great...can't say enough good about them. It pushes my whole house audio with the HK a stand alone in the FR for just the TV and 6.1. I have a 950 coming as well as a 942 for my HD PVR. Just look at how to hook it all up. I think I have done enough reseatch to get me started. Found that elsewhere.
post #33 of 12092
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Originally Posted by FLApilot View Post

I am frustrated, I will admit. A Fighter Pilot gets that way! But, thank you UCSB for the input. I have a Harman Kardon AVR with RCA switching. I am probably going to stay put until more hit the market. I have a Pioneer from the old days and it works great...can't say enough good about them. It pushes my whole house audio with the HK a stand alone in the FR for just the TV and 6.1. I have a 950 coming as well as a 942 for my HD PVR. Just look at how to hook it all up. I think I have done enough reseatch to get me started. Found that elsewhere.

Get a Harmony remote. Easiest thing to program and use for a TV with multiple inputs coupled with a receiver. Avoid receiver switching. Go direct to TV with inputs.
post #34 of 12092
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Originally Posted by UCSB View Post

... One area I was hoping to write a post on myself was the method we could use to test and report performance with gaming systems. This is always confusing, usually for weeks, and I believe that we have learned enough to do a better job this time around.

UCSB, I'm sure there will be plenty of us in the group who will be eager to assist with the game testing. I'm guessing I'll get my 5078 a few days later than the first batch of 68's that have gone out, but I can volunteer time (as if it'll be so rough!) to test both my Xbox and PS2 over component. I play mostly hockey and racing games, but have other titles and am more than willing to rent a game here or there to try certain things out.

Let us know if you need any suggestions on the process. Looking forward to sharing with everyone!
post #35 of 12092
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Originally Posted by calbert View Post

UCSB, I'm sure there will be plenty of us in the group who will be eager to assist with the game testing. I'm guessing I'll get my 5078 a few days later than the first batch of 68's that have gone out, but I can volunteer time (as if it'll be so rough!) to test both my Xbox and PS2 over component. I play mostly hockey and racing games, but have other titles and am more than willing to rent a game here or there to try certain things out.

Let us know if you need any suggestions on the process. Looking forward to sharing with everyone!

Great! I hope to write a post in the next day or so about some of the problems we have had in testing gaming in the past and how we might avoid those problems this time around. Don't worry if your 5078 comes in a few days after some of the other units. It is going to take some time to carefully work through all of our open issues.
post #36 of 12092
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Originally Posted by AkaStp View Post

There has been much talk about the possibility of game lag with the new Samsung sets. Personally, I have no interest in gaming on my TV (I'm leaning toward the 5078). My concern is whether there is any audio/video lag or lip synch problems when using external sources such as a DVD player (especially an upconverter) or HD STB (especially D* HDTivo) when their digital audio is routed from the DVD player or STB to an A/V receiver via digital optical or coax connection and the audio is listened to via the A/V receiver rather than the TV's internal speakers.

Lip sync is definitely one of the top issues that will have to carefully reviewed for each input and source. I wonder if it makes sense to restructure the list of open issues (see POST #3) in priority sequence.
post #37 of 12092
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Originally Posted by AkaStp View Post

People who don't experience rainbows could probably care less.

Right!

I won't interfere.
post #38 of 12092
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Originally Posted by PaulyC View Post

Jumpin the gun a little aint we? I mean don't get me wrong, Ive been waiting for these as long as anybody, but unless someone actually Owns one and it's sitting in their living room I dont see how there's an owners thread? haha.. I hear there are some display models around but can you actually buy those? Im not being pessimistic, but if it's still 2-3 weeks away (maybe more) kinda ghey that all these companies said end of June, shipping... I hope people start getting their orders IN! Just to end these rumors I keep hearing about Problems with the Sammy's and Mitsi's.

I agree. How many times have these new cost-cutting wobulated displays been delayed?
I've read one review in AV Guide and it was quite negative.

But now you have given me the idea to start the new Sony SXRD owners (wanna-be) thread. How exciting. I can tell you right now that the picture quality is fantastic too It has to be so, as newer is always better!

My apologies to post to an owners thread when no-one owns these units. I guess I'm just plain stupid. But it is nice to read the advertising and speculation.

My generic advice (with any high technology) is to always be second, as there is always bugs or limitations you will live to regret.
Also be wary of posters who are strong supporters of a radical new technology that they have never actually critically viewed.
post #39 of 12092
I'm also trying to figure out what receiver to buy. Even the new ones coming out only have 2 or 3 hdmi inputs. This has lead me to think about doing my switching before the signals reach the receiver. I would like someone to confirm that if I feed the hdmi to the Samsung and then take the audio out from the Samsung to my receiver, that the Samsung internals pass the dolby digital 5.1 - I know there have been issues with hdmi passing 5.1 vice stereo. The receiver I'm leaning toward is the Sunfire Ultimate II - one thing I really like about it is the low heat output. UCSB mentions an audio delay feature. Is lip sync still an issue? Anyone know if the Sunfire receiver has this - I doubt it.

After ~5 years of trying to buy an HDTV system - it's finally coming together, I ordered a 6168 on 7/4. My 50" Pioneer is now 16 years old. Back then, I was hoping to wait for HD, but my previous TV was dying and I needed a replacement. This HD world seems to crawl.

For a stand - I'm going to build a plywood stand laid out how I think I'd like it. And after I've used the setup for a while, build the final stand.
post #40 of 12092
we also will need seperate owner's threads for the xx88, xx68, xx78 threads, not lumped into xxx8 because the models are somewhat different
post #41 of 12092
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Originally Posted by NorthJersey View Post

we also will need seperate owner's threads for the xx88, xx68, xx78 threads, not lumped into xxx8 because the models are somewhat different

PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! Please don't do that. At least, not yet.

Early on, a lot of the questions about these sets will likely be the same (lag, lip sync, PQ, settings, etc.) and I really do not expect the responses/solutions to be much different. Let's keep the thread list simple (and the content confused) until we see that the info/interest for the sets would best be served by separate threads. FWIW.
post #42 of 12092
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Originally Posted by Carl_Ballard View Post

I'm also trying to figure out what receiver to buy. Even the new ones coming out only have 2 or 3 hdmi inputs. This has lead me to think about doing my switching before the signals reach the receiver. I would like someone to confirm that if I feed the hdmi to the Samsung and then take the audio out from the Samsung to my receiver, that the Samsung internals pass the dolby digital 5.1 - I know there have been issues with hdmi passing 5.1 vice stereo. The receiver I'm leaning toward is the Sunfire Ultimate II - one thing I really like about it is the low heat output. UCSB mentions an audio delay feature. Is lip sync still an issue? Anyone know if the Sunfire receiver has this - I doubt it.

After ~5 years of trying to buy an HDTV system - it's finally coming together, I ordered a 6168 on 7/4. My 50" Pioneer is now 16 years old. Back then, I was hoping to wait for HD, but my previous TV was dying and I needed a replacement. This HD world seems to crawl.

For a stand - I'm going to build a plywood stand laid out how I think I'd like it. And after I've used the setup for a while, build the final stand.

I, too, am in need of a new receiver / amplifier to go with my 6168. After reading and re-reading the owner's manual and reviewing all the connections and switching the xx68 has built in, Ive come to the conclusion that I do not need any external switching at all. I seem to have all I need provided by the tv. My intended setup is like this:
No external tuner/cable box - I'm using the cable card
Samsung DVD-950 connected to HDMI-1
Computer connected via PC-In
8MM VCP connected via AV-1 (S)
Computer doubles as DTV-Recorder via D-Net (1394) with software from Vividlogic ($99). Better than TIVO, since I can archive to DVD.
DV Camera (Samsung) connected via 2nd D-Net (1394)
Audio connected to Receiver / Amplifier via Digital Audio Out and RCA Audio Out.
After all that, I still have plenty of connections left for additional devices.

Anyone - please educate me why I would have a need for external switching. Right now I am considering the Onkyo TX-LR552R which I can buy from U-Bid for $169 with 1 cent shipping (factory refurb).

Where am I going wrong?
post #43 of 12092
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Originally Posted by vandu View Post

I need some expert advice on having a receiver with multiple HDMI inputs. If each input on the TV can be calibrated to its unique source, wouldn't passing multiple video signals through a receiver to a single TV input defeat this benefit? This would also apply to component inputs.

If the individual sources have their own controls for the calibration settings, you can modify the calibration procedure to ensure appropriate calibration settings are used for each source. If your sources do not have individual calibration controls you might be better off using dedicated inputs rather than using switching.

I asked a similar question in the video processing forum a couple of months ago because I was confused as to which setting to change since the DVD player, video processor and TV all have the same controls for brightness, contrast, etc. I was told that I could use basically two approaches:

#1. Using whatever calibration DVD you want, set the DVD player's controls such that no enhancements to color, contrast, brightness, etc. are implemented. For example, turn off the ability of the DVD to pass blacker than black. Now using ONLY the controls on the TV, calibrate the TV as best you can. Now, calibrate the TV for each of the individual sources but using only the calibration controls on the sources. For example, turn on whatever enhancements you have on your DVD player and calibrate the TV to the best PQ you can get using only the DVD controls. If you use a video processor before the receiver, you could calibrate for sources such as VCRs and STBs, which do not normally (AFSIK) have such controls, using only the calibrations settings of the video processor. Ideally, you'd want the calibration signal to come from the source device though that does not seem practical to me in all situations.

#2. Essentially, set the TV to default settings and do all of the calibration using the source controls. Again, this is a non-starter if the sources do not have the necessary controls.

Let's hope someone with actual experience can verify whether this is worthwhile. FWIW.

(Edit: Hmmm.... Looks like the original posting was deleted.)
post #44 of 12092
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Originally Posted by NorthJersey View Post

we also will need seperate owner's threads for the xx88, xx68, xx78 threads, not lumped into xxx8 because the models are somewhat different

Based on absolutely everything put out by Samsung (including FCC submittals), all of the electronics in the HLRxxx8 sets are identical. The only known difference between any of the sets is that the 67" and larger sets have a 120W/132W bulb versus a 100W/120W bulb in the smaller sizes.

Setting up separate threads would simply dilute the information and make it harder to find.
post #45 of 12092
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Originally Posted by schaffer970 View Post

Based on absolutely everything put out by Samsung (including FCC submittals), all of the electronics in the HLRxxx8 sets are identical. The only known difference between any of the sets is that the 67" and larger sets have a 120W/132W bulb versus a 100W/120W bulb in the smaller sizes.

Setting up separate threads would simply dilute the information and make it harder to find.

Agree 100%.
post #46 of 12092
Yes, But I have constantly asked questions of the experts

I will never acheive membership to that class so never replied to questions I saw you posting, but if the 950 model you are referring to is the Outlaw pre, I own one. I never attempted to cable it using the 950 for switching, I prefer to stick to straight shots to everything possible to reduce any possibility of degradation or interference. It did not bother me to loose the OSD once past the heavy interaction of initial setup I can do everything I need from remote conveniently enough to live without that feature. I cable video straight in to display and am happy sticking to that method whenever possible in setups. As regards whether you should use component Vs HDMI, that is a test I believe every display owner should cable for comparison in their own system. (Unfortunately this means purchasing (or borrowing) multiple cable types to determine which connections best suit your system) The electronics can sometimes be subpar in any given unit for one output/input Vs higher quality in the alternative choice. Some systems report better PQ when using component Vs the theoretically higher quality passthru of DVI/HDMI etc. Part of this (I feel) is affected by the source output quality of whatever feed your dealing with (various STB's/DVD players etc). Therefore I think you should cable trying both your component and HDMI connections to see which provides the better PQ to your display, due to the large variations in quality possible, in the electronics of sources you might own.

FLapilot, stomping your feet, sometimes does wake people up, your type A is showing. Forgive posters who get overexcited and hyped on waiting, rubbing hands gleefully together, for first reports valid questions (setup option questions etc) are missed not really due to rudeness but rather more the distracted all- over-the-map topic jumping and talk which is going on, during the wait period. It does not help you now since you asked your questions in the hopes of being prepared pre-delivery, - but several owners will post eventually who have tested all configurations and found which work best for their particular situation. You have the opportunity of being one of the firsts to do this for others since you are in the pre-order Que. I hope you will post your findings once you are setup!
post #47 of 12092
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Originally Posted by SpringTX View Post

...why I would have a need for external switching...
Where am I going wrong?

You would only need "external switching" if you required more of a particular type of input than is present on the TV. For example, a lot of folks believe that superior PQ is achieved by keeping the signal in the digital domain and using HDMI (DVI, etc.) for source output and TV input. Thus if the TV has two HDMI inputs and you have three sources (eg., DVD, STB and game console) that per your perference absolutely must be HDMI to HDMI, then external switching is needed. In your case, at least for now, you are satisfied with your soucre & input combinations, so why bother with switching. Try this. After you get the set, play around with different inputs for the various sources. If you determine for example that a worth while improvement in PQ can be obtained using more HDMI inputs than are available, then consider external switching.

I have a question for you in regard to: Audio connected to Receiver / Amplifier via Digital Audio Out and RCA Audio Out.

I assume the Digital Audio Out and RCA Audio Out are from the TV. Does your cable card pass Dolby Digital 5.1 into the TV. If so, will the TV take the Dolby Digital from the card and pass it out over the Digital Audio Out.
post #48 of 12092
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Originally Posted by donb1948 View Post

I assume the Digital Audio Out and RCA Audio Out are from the TV. Does your cable card pass Dolby Digital 5.1 into the TV. If so, will the TV take the Dolby Digital from the card and pass it out over the Digital Audio Out.

That is my assumption. I would expect the internal cable tuner to be similar to a cable box, where you split out digital and analog audio to you amplifier. What else would the "Digital Out" be for? The manual seems to indicate it is exactly for that purpose (p.26) - for any source with digital audio (internal cable tuner as well as HDMI inputs). I hope I am correct.
post #49 of 12092
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Originally Posted by SpringTX View Post

That is my assumption. I would expect the internal cable tuner to be similar to a cable box, where you split out digital and analog audio to you amplifier. What else would the "Digital Out" be for? The manual seems to indicate it is exactly for that purpose (p.26) - for any source with digital audio (internal cable tuner as well as HDMI inputs). I hope I am correct.

Thanks. Sounds good. FYI. On earlier models, without HDMI or digital audio inputs, there were digital audio outs that passed DD 5.1 only for OTA signal inputs. I was just wondering...
post #50 of 12092
donb1948,
Thankyou for your reply on calibration and external switching. I had moved the post to "Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV Discussion --- HLRxxxxW Models" because I thought it might fit that thread better. You must have posted just after I moved it.
post #51 of 12092
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Originally Posted by duffin View Post

Get a Harmony remote. Easiest thing to program and use for a TV with multiple inputs coupled with a receiver. Avoid receiver switching. Go direct to TV with inputs.

Duffin,

I did purchase a Harmony remote to go with the new TV. Works great with my current stuff. Think I will lean down that path.
post #52 of 12092
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Originally Posted by Mary M S View Post

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FLapilot, stomping your feet, sometimes does wake people up, your type A is showing. Forgive posters who get overexcited and hyped on waiting, rubbing hands gleefully together, for first reports valid questions (setup option questions etc) are missed not really due to rudeness but rather more the distracted all- over-the-map topic jumping and talk which is going on, during the wait period. It does not help you now since you asked your questions in the hopes of being prepared pre-delivery, - but several owners will post eventually who have tested all configurations and found which work best for their particular situation. You have the opportunity of being one of the firsts to do this for others since you are in the pre-order Que. I hope you will post your findings once you are setup!

Thanks Mary, how could you figure out I was on the right side of Type A! Thanks to all who have provided inputs. I am leaning towards the type setup SpringTX posted. Now, to get ordering the cables. TV will show by FRI I hope.
post #53 of 12092
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Originally Posted by reincarnate View Post

My apologies to post to an owners thread when no-one owns these units. I guess I'm just plain stupid.

Last I heard, about 37 people had been charged for a TV, so officially that makes them owners. Personally, I'm glad UCSB started the thread and don't mind the banter about donkeys. I just wish they had more donkeys since I am probably about 150th on the list for a 5668.

Regarding the gaming, I can definitely assist with this too. I haven't played as much Xbox recently due to other commitments; however, I am willing to take one for the team and hunker down for a couple hours of 'testing'. I'm sure my son and nephews won't mind assisting with the testing as well.

I hope you are having a better day today FLAPilot. Like you, I think I am going to hold off on the receiver until the August-October timeframe. If a receiver comes out with HDMI switching that isn't too expensive (less than $700), I will get one then. Otherwise, I will buy a cheaper 7.1 receiver for now and go high-end next year.
post #54 of 12092
Ugh, if you guys are still waiting, when is my donkey going to trot all the way up to the frozen canadian north and give me my TV?
post #55 of 12092
I'm going to wait for a receiver that can handle the new codecs with Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. I'll get an HDMI switch to hold me until then.
post #56 of 12092
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I'm going to wait for a receiver that can handle the new codecs with Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. I'll get an HDMI switch to hold me until then.

Do you have a model number of the HDMI switch? I have heard others mention them, but haven't been able to find any more info on them.
post #57 of 12092
CES 2006 is only 172 days away.
post #58 of 12092
I was looking at the Gefen switch. they are supposed to have a new one that switches 4 or 6 HDMI ports. Or I'll just get a 2x1 switch and also use the DVI pass through in my iscanHD. The models ar eon the Gefen website.
post #59 of 12092
I also took a look at the 6178 at Tweeter
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CES 2006 is only 172 days away.

I just complimented your wisdom in another thread, and now I find out that you are actually sadistic.
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