Samsung 1080p Owner's Thread --- HLRxxx8W DLP Models - Page 15

I am curious does any know the lumens rating for each of the 68 series of Sammy's?

I can attest to that.

Its like an echo. Kinda disturbing. Makes it sound like the TV is in a empty warehouse

The lag you mention here is about 2 seconds and yes it is the broadcasters delay in converting the feed to digital (regardless if its HD or not).

The echo lag (estimated at about .1 seconds), is when both sets are receiving OTA analog signals. The digital sets have to convert the analog signal to digital and process it. That seems to take a fraction of a second so you get the echo effect. That may be impossible to get rid of on the current generations of digital processor chips. Maybe for many years to come.

Just received the call from the shipping company confirming that my new HLR5688w will be delivered tomorrow afternoon. I will for sure post a complete review of this new 'Capt. Kirk' model as I believe I may be one of the first to receive this new 1080p Samsung. My connections will include Samsung HD Direct TV receiver throught HDMI1 input, Samsung DVD player through HDMI2, Xbox through component input, PC through VGA input and VCR through S-video input. All of a sudden today is feeling more like x-mas eve... -PushStar

See my comments earlier. I fed my 5668 an old Sony S7000 @480i via component and also a SS HD 950 via HDMI. The pictures were almost identical. You could start a real debate and be hard pressed to see any significant differences. The 950 is a tiny bit clearer and perhaps some better color blending but not night and day as you state here. I don't think the deinterlacer is all that bad on the TV IMHO.

schaffer970 -- does the VGA input at 1920x1080@60Hz look better or worse than 1920x1080@60Hz on the HDMI input??

-reiner

Thanks again Moss. I went back and reread your post. This was the part that I was most interested in.

"The Samasung HD850 kept giving me a warning on screen stating the display device does not support HDMI audio. When I changed the HD850 digital output in the menus to PCM it was able to send audio to the TV which is when I would hear the echo. But it would also only send 2ch audio to the Yamaha. So I set it back to bitstream. I can disable the warning message on the HD850. However when I turn it on and off the message gets enabled again. Kind of annoying but it only last a few seconds. It does not appear that the 6168 will accept a 5.1 signal through the HDMI. Note the only thing I have that is HDMI to HDMI is the HD850."

If it turns out to be a fact that 5.1 through HDMI is NOT accepted by the TV, then THIS IS A REAL SHOW STOPPER FOR ME!!

This TV is not a first or second generation set. WHAT A SAMSUNG DESIGN FLAW!!!!! WHAT WERE THEY THINKING???

Can anyone else verify that HDMI 5.1 is not supported??

I'm sorry wtr1 but didn't the 850 have issues that have resolved with the 950? I don't have my 6768 yet but I just set up my 950 Friday and it pushes 5.1 to my Sharp - when I did DVD reviews before buying I thought I'd read there were many issues with the Samsung 850 that are suposedly fixed with the 950.

I could be wrong but since both the 950 and 68 series are fresh to the market it would be hard to believe Samsung hadn't tested for this on their own new product line. It may be an issue with the 850 rather than the TV. Just a thought and I'll certainly be able to confirm it directly once I have my new one - so far my 950 has been flawless.

Good Luck though.

Honestly, why does it even matter? Why not just run the optical cable straight from the DVD player to your receiver and forget about HDMI audio?

The only advantage to HDMI audio will come when receivers can switch multiple HDMI inputs. Other than that, who cares?

Isn't 1-to-1 pixel mapping an impossibility from the start on these sets, considering they use diamond-shaped pixels? True 1-to-1 pixel mapping has been impossible since the HD2+, from what I've seen. Frankly, I think that the whole wobulation/diamond pixel thing is kind of BS. I suppose that it has driven the prices down, but I'd still prefer that a higher-quality, non-wobulated, square pixel set be available. This does not seem to be the direction that TI is headed, however.

1 to 1 pixel mapping is possible even though the pixels are diamond shaped.
The wobulated TI chips resolve every pixel of the 1920x1080 grid.

The diamond overlap creates more film-like image which is great for video ( very
difficult to distinguish from 1080p "non-wobulated" sets and their are many
who prefer the wobulated image ) but may not be ideal for the PC.

These know-nothings can really be funny , but the really sad thing is some unwary consumer may actually think they know what they're talking about when they spout nonsense authoratatively as though it were fact. I only speak to the people who engineer, manufacture, wholesale, and sell these sets on a daily basis, so surely the know-nothings posting gibberish here know a LOT more than the morons who actually design and build these sets

Has anyone found out if an external scaler like a DVDO HD+ does a better job than the Sammy's internal scaler????? I can't seem to find a definitive answer in any of the posts. Thanks.

moss312 , I looked at the DVE calibration disk again and noticed that the blacker than black bar is very apparent in 4:3 mode. When you expand the image to fill the screen, blacker than black is less visible. I'm guessing that since DVE ouputs a 4:3 immage that is what you shoud use for calibration.
Are there any experts out there that care to comment?

I ended up with Contrast 50, Brightness 50, Sharpness 0 and Color 54. The origional settings were 80,50,50,50.

westa: I look forward to your tests and reviews, and I certainly hope that you are correct in your assumption. I agree that Samsung should have tested for this and worked the problem, at this stage in their HDTV development.

midblue: it does matter because of the lip sync problem(s). If you run optical cables from all your sources directly to your receiver, then you need to correct for each source. And, I don't think that we know that one correction per source will do the job for all source material. The overall notion is that lip sync/ video delay should be corrected in the HDTV and the TVs optical output should be 5.1.

If I can get answers to those 2 questions, I'm going to give Fry's my money for this set.

Its is going on display today (Monday july 25) at Fry's in Concord.CA.
So they said over the phone.

NB

OK I guess I've lurked long enough. I've ordered my HRL5678 from Tweeter and it should be installed next week. I'll have a lot of questions, but right now my question concerns remote control of the set.

I'm putting a Polk LSiC in front of the 5678 and this should cover up the IR sensor so I probably can't use the regular remote (or the Uni Remote from my Yamaha). I've ordered a universal remote that sends out both IR and RF and then I can put an IR emitter in front of the sensor on the set.

However, I was just wondering if I could plug the set into my Comcast box and let the box turn power off an on. Since I'll usually control sound from my Yamaha, I may only need a remote to turn the set on and off.

However, will this damage the set if I simply switch it from the wall plug rather than the IR port?

Thanks guys and I look forward to answering some of the questions that have been posted.

Bob

Samsung HLR 5678W (on the way)
Yamaha RX-V4600
Polk Audio LSi9 Front Speakers
Pollk Audio LSiC-Center Speaker
Polk LSi7 Rear Speakers
Velodyne DLS-5000R 15" Sub
Sony DVP-NS975V dvd
Sony CDP-CX355 CD jukebox
X-Box with HD connection
JVC HR-VP770U VCR (yes I still have one of those)

I don't have a "digital cable" subscription so I'm using the 6168's internal cable tuner to pick up unencrypted channels. It seems a little more sensitive to noise than my PC's tuner cards but I need to clean up my wiring. Anyway, I noticed a couple of issues:

1. It seems the cable tuner can't detect digital subchannels which don't have a virtual channel number if they share a major channel number with other channels that have a VCN. On my cable feed (Comcast, Santa Clara, CA), NBC-HD shares the same major channel as ESPN-HD (116). The NBC-HD subchannel has a virtual channel number of 11 and the TV's tuner correctly lists it as channel 11-1. However, it cannot seem to detect the ESPN-HD channel at 116-3. (My PC is able to tune to ESPN-HD if I explicitly specify the channel/subchannel info.) ABC-HD and PBS-HD share channel 117 and they both have separate VCNs and the tuner detects both. INHD1/2 are also detected -- neither have VCNs but they don't share a channel with any that do.

2. At initial setup, the cable tuner detected a lot of digital channels (including some that looked like Video-On-Demand streams). Some of these channels occasionally stop transmission and the TV automatically drops them from its listing. Sometimes, it just "hides" the subchannel -- you can add it back by going into the channel setup menu. Other times, the subchannel goes away completely (I presume you have to redo a channel scan to get them back).

3. There is an annoying click when it switches between cable and OTA tuners. There is no such click when switching between cable tuner and PC input.

Anyway, these are minor issues. I only really expect the local digital stations to work properly and they are fine. This is my first HDTV so I wasn't sure if this is common behavior.

Bob: I noticed that you have one of the new Yahama 4600s. I have been looking at the manual, trying to determine if it has lip sync correction. Can't find anything about lip sync in the downloadable manual and maximum delay settings appear to be only 99milleseconds.

Have you tried lip sync correction?

Bob: I noticed that you have one of the new Yahama 4600s. I am interesting in one and have been looking at the manual, trying to determine if it has lip sync correction. Can't find anything about lip sync in the downloadable manual. There is some information about delay but maximum delay settings appear to be only 99 milleseconds. That may not be enough.

Have you tried lip sync correction?

Have you found any description about lip sync in the manual? If so, what page?

congrats, make sure to takes some good pics!

It's not installed yet either, but it does have lip sync correction. Audio Delay for Adjusting Lip-Sync (0-240 ms)

Go to audioholics for the review (posted Friday)
bob

Sorry, this is lag has nothing to do with A/D conversion, it has everything to do with digital lockup, error correction, and decompression. It requires a specific number of data frames to find the frame beginning, check for and correct errors, and to expand the data to full raw size. The incoming signal is an 8 level digital signal inposed on a vestigal side band modulation, hence the name 8VSB.

Lee

Bob: thanks, found it on page 60.

Where did you get your Yahama?

Over the weekend I went to Frys in Renton, WA looking for a 1080p Samsung. I asked the salesmen, they didn't know anything about it. I thought, if they didn't know about it, they probably don't have it.

But, there was a newly opened Samsung sitting inconspicously in an isle. I had to check the manual and then tell the salesmen about it ... it was a 6168.

I suspected that, but thanks for the confirmation on the power switch.

WTRL1--I got it at Tweeter. Just got the entire system there including the Polks and Velodyne.
bob

Anyone using DVD VR325 with new HLR sets ? I have been looking for reviews of this unit all over. I was going to order HD950 but this VR325 sounds a good alternative . Any pros/cons ? I read some where that these combo units usually less efficient than regular standalone players.

Well, I tried in other DVD/recorder threads too...sorry for going off topic here.

-Vish
waiting on 5668 , DVD VR325, dish 941

We had some reports from in store viewing of macroblocking has anyone
who has received this TV hooked up the 2910 or 3910 via HDMI and
noticed any MB?