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post #721 of 12091
7/27/05 at 5:15pm
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Originally Posted by Clorox View Post

It's the same way that if I look really closely for something, I might be able to see it, but under normal circumstances, I wouldn't. I see video delays with source material all the time on my SD DirecTiVo. Occasionally it's enough that it bothers me. I'm due for a new receiver anyway, so I'll probably go that route.

I see what you are saying.

I thought you meant if it were just "noticeable" on casual viewing.

Lip sync issues drive me crazy!
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post #722 of 12091
7/27/05 at 5:21pm
well i guess there is video game lag on the new sets, there goes my tv im bout to cancel my preorder, im not going to pay 3500 dollars on a tv that is impossible to play video games on
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post #723 of 12091
7/27/05 at 5:26pm
I have a symmetrical 32Mbit connection to my home. Though I don't pay full retail cost for it, it would be doable costwise for a home office user.

10Mbit symmetrical fiber is relatively common scattered about the country. 15Mbit fiber connections are about (a friend gets his for $49/mo) and a 30Mbit connection is offered for $99 in the same place.

Nearly all bandwidth is fractional at some level and frankly, due to use patterns, should be so.

So, now we have to figure out how to use all of this bandwidth!


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Originally Posted by Ppowr View Post

Err, don't count on that anytime soon. I assume your talking about cable broadband data? Don't count on getting 100Mbit feed to your house anytime soon. The cost per port on that setup would be insane. As it is now cable companies advertise 5Mbit per second or more, but that is fractional at best. Or in other words shared.
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post #724 of 12091
7/27/05 at 5:39pm
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Originally Posted by Failsafe View Post

I have a symmetrical 32Mbit connection to my home. Though I don't pay full retail cost for it, it would be doable costwise for a home office user.

10Mbit symmetrical fiber is relatively common scattered about the country. 15Mbit fiber connections are about (a friend gets his for $49/mo) and a 30Mbit connection is offered for $99 in the same place.

Nearly all bandwidth is fractional at some level and frankly, due to use patterns, should be so.

So, now we have to figure out how to use all of this bandwidth!

ok, what is upload speed? 30Mbit? I bet not. Some How I doubt he is getting 15Mbit sysmmetrical fiber connection for no $49.

Oh, please tell me who your provider is that is sending you 32Mbit symmetrical to your house...

Here is what Cox communications charges for just 10Mbit symetrical...about $2500 a month!

http://www.cox.com/oc/Business/internet.asp



http://www.isomedia.com/HFN/plans.shtml

1M Symmetrical Internet access & 6 e-mail accounts - $79.95 per month Sign Up Now!
2M Symmetrical Internet access & 6 e-mail accounts - $149.95 per month Sign Up Now!
4M Symmetrical Internet access & 6 e-mail accounts - $249.95 per month Sign Up Now!
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post #725 of 12091
7/27/05 at 5:40pm
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Originally Posted by kregstrong View Post

well i guess there is video game lag on the new sets, there goes my tv im bout to cancel my preorder, im not going to pay 3500 dollars on a tv that is impossible to play video games on

No one ever said it was unplayable.

A friend of mine just got the 720p HLR and he has no issues (hardcore gamer). I'm holding on to the belief that it won't be any worse (same with lip sync and rainbows, if you look for it, you see it), what you want to know is if you notice it in normal use. Given the relationship of lag and response times and that no "serious" gamers have tried it yet, I think its rather positive. Just my thoughts.
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post #726 of 12091
7/27/05 at 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by moss312 View Post

The HDMI input only appears to accept 2.0 audio.

How did you confirm this, using the 850? If so, do you know that the 850 outputs 5.1 over the hdmi output?
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post #727 of 12091
7/27/05 at 5:58pm
I don't dispute your numbers. There is a vast disparity of bandwidth availability and cost in the US. If you go to the local phone companies and want a T1, they will often quote rather high prices. But, the point that I and others make is that speeds considered outrageously fast today, may be common sooner than you think. Maybe even sooner than I think!

I think the 30Mbit has 10 or 15 up. I didn't say the 10Mbit was symmetrical but I think he gets around 3 up which isn't too shabby. Still, pretty impressive for $49, eh? My 32Mbit is definitely, without doubt symmetrical.


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Originally Posted by Ppowr View Post

ok, what is upload speed? 30Mbit? I bet not. Some How I doubt he is getting 15Mbit sysmmetrical fiber connection for no $49.

Here is what Cox communications charges for just 10Mbit symetrical...about $2500 a month!

http://www.cox.com/oc/Business/internet.asp



http://www.isomedia.com/HFN/plans.shtml

1M Symmetrical Internet access & 6 e-mail accounts - $79.95 per month Sign Up Now!
2M Symmetrical Internet access & 6 e-mail accounts - $149.95 per month Sign Up Now!
4M Symmetrical Internet access & 6 e-mail accounts - $249.95 per month Sign Up Now!
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post #728 of 12091
7/27/05 at 5:59pm
i play mainly fps games and play them online, so any lag in gaming is pretty unplayable for me, so unless are hardcore gamer tests the tv and says there is no lag samsung will not be seeing my money, sucks they cant just make a tv that doesnt lag, lazy damn people man, all i want is a a 61 inch tv that had no lag, pregferably 1080p
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post #729 of 12091
7/27/05 at 6:01pm
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Originally Posted by tonydeluce View Post

Some companies are laying fiber directly to the home.

Verizon has the fiber up on the poles and I'm so close to having superfast internet. Pricing is:

5 Mbps/2 Mbps for $39.95
15 Mbps/2 Mbps for $49.95
30 Mbps/5 Mbps for $199.95

Gotta love competion.
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post #730 of 12091
7/27/05 at 6:11pm
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Originally Posted by Failsafe View Post

I don't dispute your numbers. There is a vast disparity of bandwidth availability and cost in the US. If you go to the local phone companies and want a T1, they will often quote rather high prices. But, the point that I and others make is that speeds considered outrageously fast today, may be common sooner than you think. Maybe even sooner than I think!

I think the 30Mbit has 10 or 15 up. I didn't say the 10Mbit was symmetrical but I think he gets around 3 up which isn't too shabby. Still, pretty impressive for $49, eh? My 32Mbit is definitely, without doubt symmetrical.

Backpeddling pretty fast, 3Mbits up and 15Mbits down is NOT symmetrical.

who is your provider?

And who are the providers offering the other services?

Frankly if you went on www.broadbandreports.com and made those statements you'd be laughed off there.
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post #731 of 12091
7/27/05 at 6:12pm
I have the 6168 hooked up to a tw hd8300 via hdmi. I use the tv menu from the 8300, but I cannot even access the tv guide on the tv, it is greyed out. Is it suppossed to be such?
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post #732 of 12091
7/27/05 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by Ppowr View Post

ok, what is upload speed? 30Mbit? I bet not. Some How I doubt he is getting 15Mbit sysmmetrical fiber connection for no $49.

Oh, please tell me who your provider is that is sending you 32Mbit symmetrical to your house...

Here is what Cox communications charges for just 10Mbit symetrical...about $2500 a month!

http://www.cox.com/oc/Business/internet.asp



http://www.isomedia.com/HFN/plans.shtml

1M Symmetrical Internet access & 6 e-mail accounts - $79.95 per month Sign Up Now!
2M Symmetrical Internet access & 6 e-mail accounts - $149.95 per month Sign Up Now!
4M Symmetrical Internet access & 6 e-mail accounts - $249.95 per month Sign Up Now!

For most of us users, download is what is important. Sending a request
at even 1 Mbit is fine - I am far more interested in a 30Mbit download then
even 5 Mbit upload...
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post #733 of 12091
7/27/05 at 6:19pm
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Originally Posted by tonydeluce View Post

For most of us users, download is what is important. Sending a request
at even 1 Mbit is fine - I am far more interested in a 30Mbit download then
even 5 Mbit upload...


true, but to get a 1080p feed sent to you you're going to need a sustained d/l of 40Mbps. And that isn't going to happen anytime soon.
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post #734 of 12091
7/27/05 at 6:26pm
40mbs with mpeg4?
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post #735 of 12091
7/27/05 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

40mbs with mpeg4?


yes and transmitted using QAM-256, one 6Mhz channel cable using QAM-256 mode can send 38.8 Mbps of digital video/audio.

Then there is data transmission overhead on top of that and then the real problem server latency...which is really the bane of the internet now for many.
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post #736 of 12091
7/27/05 at 6:41pm
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Originally Posted by kregstrong View Post

i play mainly fps games and play them online, so any lag in gaming is pretty unplayable for me, so unless are hardcore gamer tests the tv and says there is no lag samsung will not be seeing my money, sucks they cant just make a tv that doesnt lag, lazy damn people man, all i want is a a 61 inch tv that had no lag, pregferably 1080p


And I want a Porsche that can break the sound bearer!

I just don't think it will happen with electronic scaling/Digital TVs - it simply takes time to crunch numbers. CRTs are about the only thing that will since there is zero processing - excluding comb filter circuits, etc.
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post #737 of 12091
7/27/05 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by tonydeluce View Post

Some companies are laying fiber directly to the home. I have heard of at least
one community ( If I remember correctly somewhere in Texas ) where a
60 Mbit pipe runs about $59.95 a month...

I have a friend getting about 15Mbit in Huntington Beach from fiber running
directly to his house.

Its closer than many think...

Verizon is the in the lead of making fiber connections (Fios) available throughout the country.

The connections and monthly prices are as follows

Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $39.95
Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $49.95
Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps $199.95

Being roughly the price of DSL - it makes sense to switch. That being said - since verizon has to run new fiber cables into each neighborhood, it is going to take time to be readily available.

You can find out more and if you qualify here

http://www22.verizon.com/fiosforhome...about_fios.asp
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post #738 of 12091
7/27/05 at 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by skeeteroplagus View Post

Received my 5668W today

You sure that is a 68? The picture looks like a 78 with the black border.
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post #739 of 12091
7/27/05 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by jkaiser View Post

You sure that is a 68? The picture looks like a 78 with the black border.

Nope, it's a 68--notice the gap between the bottom of the screen and the strip along the bottom (this is the "floating screen" design). The bezel on the 78 is a shiny black, whereas this bezel is matte. The photo is just too dark to see that the bezel isn't really black.
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post #740 of 12091
7/27/05 at 7:10pm
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Originally Posted by jkaiser View Post

You sure that is a 68? The picture looks like a 78 with the black border.

Yea its a 68... Here's another pic:

http://www.voidyourwarranty.net/sammy.jpg

Now I gotta get all the wires cleaned up and get the rest of my system calibrated and configured...
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post #741 of 12091
7/27/05 at 7:12pm
I called Samsung earlier today and was pleasantly surprised to learn that I may have been the very first to receive their new flagship HLR5688W. I am still running tests using all my components, but here's a digital picture of this amazing HDTV at work.

Samsung HLR5688W
http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphot...15816/size/big
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post #742 of 12091
7/27/05 at 7:18pm
test out some games and let us know
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post #743 of 12091
7/27/05 at 7:25pm
Backpedaling? I said nothing I don't stand behind. I did not say symmetrical on those. I will not take your troll bait for a fight. Also, this subthread isn't on topic thus is likely annoying others.

You sir are quite rude, whatever point you were trying to get across.

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Originally Posted by Ppowr View Post

Backpeddling pretty fast, 3Mbits up and 15Mbits down is NOT symmetrical.

who is your provider?

And who are the providers offering the other services?

Frankly if you went on www.broadbandreports.com and made those statements you'd be laughed off there.
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post #744 of 12091
7/27/05 at 7:27pm
If people are ordering a warranty, which ones are the best? Thanks, Tom
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post #745 of 12091
7/27/05 at 7:37pm
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DocToss If people are ordering a warranty, which ones are the best? Thanks, Tom

Warrantech Repairmaster is listed on the Stock Exchange and a member of the BBB in good standing. TVA carries these extended warranties on the Power Buy's and they are reasonably priced. I extended my warranty by 4 years for my 6768 that hopefully will ship soon.

Here Take a tour of Warrantech - they cover both Consumer Electronics and Automotive Market. http://www.warrantech.com/virtualview/default.asp

Good Luck!
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post #746 of 12091
7/27/05 at 7:50pm
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Originally Posted by PushStar View Post

I called Samsung earlier today and was pleasantly surprised to learn that I may have been the very first to receive their new flagship HLR5688W. I am still running tests using all my components, but here's a digital picture of this amazing HDTV at work.

Samsung HLR5688W
http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphot...15816/size/big

Hey push thanks for sharing ya Pics with the rest of us poor 5688 soon-to-be-owners.

Question for you, whats the size of the space / wall where you have the 5688 & speakers, A/V rack setup in that Pic?
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post #747 of 12091
7/27/05 at 7:54pm
I received my HL-R6168W late this afternoon and have been absolutely
amazed at the PQ.

I have been mainly watching various DVDs and DVD scenes on my
Denon DVD-3910 via "upconverted" 1080i over HDMI but have also
been checking out HDNET and Discovery HD via Dish Network's
942 HD DVR via 1080i HDMI. I have made no effort to calibrate the
picture yet since the PQ "out of the box" is pretty incredible.

Wow! The colors in the opening scenes of "House of a Thousand Daggers" is
simply amazing on this set. Color was very good on my JVC D-ILA ( one of its
stronger points ) but compared to this set the colors looked very washed out.
Colors are deep with blue looking blue, red looking red, etc. I have not seen
a single rainbow yet but this is my first DLP that I have owned and I have never
seen a rainbow in any store on any friend's set.

The "Cave Scene" in Tomb Raider II literally blew me away. The shadow detail
is utterly amazing for a rear projector and its hard to imagine this particular
scene looking any better - and the source is only 480i! Viewing various other
scenes, I have noticed the shadow detail on this unadjusted set is the best I
have seen on a rear projection TV, but still has much room for improvement to
rival high end 9 in. CRTs. But the blacks are as good if not better than what I
have seen on many but not all CRTs.

The opening scenes of Gladiator, which I also viewed on the Mits 1080p DLP
52 in., looked just as incredible. In these I could see most if not all of the
shadow detail. The scene looked pretty much the same on the Mits as the
Sammy and I am assuming the Mits was unadjusted as is mine at this point.
Needless to state my JVC D-ILA made much of this shadow detail look like "mud".

There is very little macroblocking from the Denon DVD-3910 on this set. I have
to really look for it in most scenes to even see it there ever so slightly. There
have been a few scenes were it was briefly more evident. The MB on the
1080p DLP Mits was more noticable on the same scenes but I am not sure
why.

HDNET and Discovery HD look stunning - I just watched some of 'Choopers"
and really noticed the increase in detail as well how much more the colors
'pop" on this set. The blacks are really black - hard to believe how much
of a difference this makes - its been a couple years since I had CRT in
the house.

Most of the other HD channels look pretty bad. It is obvious a great deal
of compression is being used in their broadcast. Besides HDNET and
Discovery HD it looks like we will have to wait for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray
to really take advantage of what this set has to offer.

Well, back to drooling over the content my new 1080p DLP TV...

P.S. I have noticed no Video lag on DVDs, HDNET, and Discovery HD but
I did notice severe Video lag on some of the Voom channels...
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post #748 of 12091
7/27/05 at 8:04pm
Now that I have an HDMI only set, which option would be better:

1) buy HDMI to DVI converter ?

2) just buy a new HDMI cable ?

In other words, what effect would/could a converter have on the signal?
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post #749 of 12091
7/27/05 at 8:12pm
Failsafe: convertor?? I think that you will be surprised to find out that a cable with the different connectors on the ends is ALL you need.
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post #750 of 12091
7/27/05 at 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by tonydeluce View Post

I received my HL-R6168W late this afternoon and have been absolutely
amazed at the PQ.

I have been mainly watching various DVDs and DVD scenes on my
Denon DVD-3910 via "upconverted" 1080i over HDMI but have also
been checking out HDNET and Discovery HD via Dish Network's
942 HD DVR via 1080i HDMI. I have made no effort to calibrate the
picture yet since the PQ "out of the box" is pretty incredible.

Wow! The colors in the opening scenes of "House of a Thousand Daggers" is
simply amazing on this set. Color was very good on my JVC D-ILA ( one of its
stronger points ) but compared to this set the colors looked very washed out.
Colors are deep with blue looking blue, red looking red, etc. I have not seen
a single rainbow yet but this is my first DLP that I have owned and I have never
seen a rainbow in any store on any friend's set.

The "Cave Scene" in Tomb Raider II literally blew me away. The shadow detail
is utterly amazing for a rear projector and its hard to imagine this particular
scene looking any better - and the source is only 480i! Viewing various other
scenes, I have noticed the shadow detail on this unadjusted set is the best I
have seen on a rear projection TV, but still has much room for improvement to
rival high end 9 in. CRTs. But the blacks are as good if not better than what I
have seen on many but not all CRTs.

The opening scenes of Gladiator, which I also viewed on the Mits 1080p DLP
52 in., looked just as incredible. In these I could see most if not all of the
shadow detail. The scene looked pretty much the same on the Mits as the
Sammy and I am assuming the Mits was unadjusted as is mine at this point.
Needless to state my JVC D-ILA made much of this shadow detail look like "mud".

There is very little macroblocking from the Denon DVD-3910 on this set. I have
to really look for it in most scenes to even see it there ever so slightly. There
have been a few scenes were it was briefly more evident. The MB on the
1080p DLP Mits was more noticable on the same scenes but I am not sure
why.

HDNET and Discovery HD look stunning - I just watched some of 'Choopers"
and really noticed the increase in detail as well how much more the colors
'pop" on this set. The blacks are really black - hard to believe how much
of a difference this makes - its been a couple years since I had CRT in
the house.

Most of the other HD channels look pretty bad. It is obvious a great deal
of compression is being used in their broadcast. Besides HDNET and
Discovery HD it looks like we will have to wait for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray
to really take advantage of what this set has to offer.

Well, back to drooling over the content my new 1080p DLP TV...

P.S. I have noticed no Video lag on DVDs, HDNET, and Discovery HD but
I did notice severe Video lag on some of the Voom channels...

Tony,

It sounds like you are running the Denon 3910 in 480i mode. Is this correct? Have you tried 1080i yet? Can you confirm or reject the terrible macroblocking that I saw on this setting at Magnolia HiFi?
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