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post #7741 of 12091
1/1/06 at 2:01pm
I did not get much response from a earlier post about viewing an external DVR source in the subpicture (PIP). I can view a DVD coming in through component input as a subpic while viewing a Digital Channel from the TV Tuner, but I cannot select the DVR input as a source?! The only thing the manual mentions is that a Digital picture cannot be used as the subpic. I interpreted that to mean a digital channel from the TV tuner. Is a DVD progressive input different than the DVR in some way other than possibly resolution?

Has any body else been able to do something like this?
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post #7742 of 12091
1/2/06 at 1:56am
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Originally Posted by m4carbine View Post

I am very happy to report that I successfully connected my PC to my Samsung HLR6168W via the VGA port and am running it at 1920X1080P.

I got a 6 foot VGA/Super VGA replacement monitor cable at Radio Shack for $19.99. It is item # 26-276.

My PC video card is an NVIDIA 6800GT-OC. I have the latest drivers installed. Going into the display property settings I went to AVANCED==> 6800GT====>SCREEN RESOLUTIONS AND REFRESH RATES======>ADVANCED TIMING

Once there I selected MODE AND TIMING =====> CUSTOM VALUES and selected in the drop down box:

861B (1920X1080 @59.94) - P

The tv accepted this resolution. Note: Initially as I played around with the various resolutions it would not accept it - it said MODE NOT SUPPORTED and reverted back to the initial setting (1024x768). I had to restart a couple times in safe mode wih VGA mode. After a couple of attempts it worked and still is.

In the PC's Display Properties I also set it to EXTRA LARGE FONTS in APPEARANCE and used a custom 150% larger than standard (144 dpi) dpi setting for the font sizes in ADVANCED.

Finally I used the TV's menu to go to PC Wide picture mode and made a slight adjustment to the screen size until it totally fills my screen with no black borders at all. I have ZERO overscan.

I am playing Battlefield 2 in all its glory at 1920X1080p with NO noticeable lag or freezes in frame rate. To do that I went to the shortcut for launching the game, copied it to my desktop and renamed it BF2 HDTV. I right clicked on it and altered the shortcut's properties Target Location to read as follows:

"C:\\Program Files\\EA GAMES\\Battlefield 2\\BF2.exe" +menu 1 +fullscreen 1 +szx 1920 +szy 1080

The intro video plays at this awesome resolution. In the game DO NOT change the video resolution setting in the video menu - even though it may read different it will actually launch and play at the full 1920X1080p. I confirmed it is playing at these resolutiions by using the TV "info" selection and it shows 1920X1080 @ 60 Hz.

I'll take a few screen pics with my digital camera tomorrow.

The last thing I have to do is get rid of my Audigy 2Zs PC soundcard and replace it with a Turtle Beach Montego DDL - Dolby Digital Live sound card. Either that or I'll wait one month and get BlueGrear's XPlosion soundcard which will have BOTH real time dolby digital encoding output AND real time DTS encoding output. These cards output any sound source in 5.1 Dolby Digital (or also tyhe option of DTS in the case of the XPlosion) in real time. Like most A/V recievers, my Yamaha RXV1300 receiver does not recognize the coaxiaL 5.1 sound output of the soundcard because the ame is not dolby digital. This is even though I have the soundcard connected to the A/V receiver with a coaxial cable. The receiver recognizes the outgoing signal only as a 2 channel stereo signal and I use Pro Logic II for the moment. With the Montego or the Xplosion the A/V receiver will have receive the "native full 5.1 dolby digital sound (or DTS) sound field.

I have NO plans to buy an Xbox 360. Why would I want to when there are much better PC games that one can use a keyboard and mouse with? I use a wired keyboard and a Logitech G7 cordless mouse.

The only negative is the wife is now complaining I am hogging up the TV for the gaming.

Can you provide me with your PC specs?
I want to build a HTPC for my HLR6168 but I'm afraid that my rig will be underpowered for 1920 x 1080 gaming.

Thanks,
Zak
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post #7743 of 12091
1/2/06 at 2:57am
I was wondering if the Samsung automatically up-scaled an input say from a VCR to 1080i or does it just display it at the VCR resolution?

Also I was wondering if anyone here is using the DVDO iScan HD+ scaler and if so how is that working out for you? Seems to me this may be an ideal solution for solving the multiple input mess since it acts as an automatic switch for all the inputs. It also has a built in lip-sync correction for all inputs which is adjustable up to +/- 180ms (no need for the Felston) and of course it will scale any input resolution up to 1080p.
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post #7744 of 12091
1/2/06 at 6:35am
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Originally Posted by BIGAL2020 View Post

For those of you with 1080P sets that are in areas where you are getting good over-the-air HD reception and you also have a separate HD tuner, how does your set's tuner stack up against the separate tuner, in terms of getting in HD stations?

I will be getting a set soon, and don't plan on using cable or satelite, just OTA and DVD's.

Any comments will be appreciated.....Thanks!

I have an HD TiVo with an internal OTA tuner as well as the Samsung 5668. The internal tuner in the Samsung is definitely better than the HD TiVo, not in PQ, but in its ability to lock in a picture. The PQ is identical (I believe, but am not certain, that since an OTA picture is a digital picture, you either get the picture or you don't and the OTA picture will look more or less identical regardless of the tuner).

In contrast, the OTA picture is much better than the PQ from DirecTV's network feeds. This is primarily due to the fact that D* is compressing its signal, while the OTA feed to the Samsung internal tuner is not compressed.

The bottom line is that you'll do great with the Samsung internal tuner, assuming, of course, you have a good antenna and are able to lock in the OTA feeds.
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post #7745 of 12091
1/2/06 at 8:07am
I agree. I have an HD-Tivo, an RCA dtc-100 and a Panasonic TU-HDS20. The Samsung's internal tuner is far better than any of the others for weak signals and signals with multipath problems.
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post #7746 of 12091
1/2/06 at 8:24am
Can anyone answer these questions?

I have noticed differences in PQ between different broadcasts on my HL-R5078W.

It seems that 720p broadcasts, for the most part, look better than 1080i. (althought INHD looks great at 1080i)

FOX & ESPN (720p) look better than CBS (1080i).

My Motorola 3412 DVR is set to 1080i output, this looks better than when it is set to 720p.

When I watch a 1080i broadcast, I see it in 1080p. Is this 1080p/30 or 1080p/60 (each frame showed twice

Does 720p get scaled & show at 60 fps?

Which format shows the most "information"?

THANKS!!!
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post #7747 of 12091
1/2/06 at 9:22am
The HL-R5078W displays all signals at 1920*1080P. It will scale/de-interlace all inputs to this resolution... it is the ONLY resolution it CAN display....

Don
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post #7748 of 12091
1/2/06 at 10:15am
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Originally Posted by zak88lx View Post

Can you provide me with your PC specs?
I want to build a HTPC for my HLR6168 but I'm afraid that my rig will be underpowered for 1920 x 1080 gaming.

Thanks,
Zak


Video Card = BFG NVIDIA 6800GT OC - AGP
CPU = Pentium 4 3.0 Ghz
Motherboard = ASUS P4P800 Deluxe
RAM = 1 GB PC3200



If I was building today I'd get:

MOBO = Asus P5N32-SLI Deluxe nForce4 SLI

CPU = Intel Pentium® 4 640 Processor Prescott 3.2GHz, 800MHz FSB, Socket 775, 2MB Cache Retail

RAM = Corsair VS2GBKIT667D2 2GB Kit DDR2-667 PC2-5300

VIDEO CARD = BFG GeForce 7800 GT OC PCI Express 256MB DDR3 Video Card w/HDTV-Out, Dual-DVI & VIVO

SOUND CARD = BlueGears BGI-HDAXR-D HDA X-RAIDER 7.1 DTS Connect Retail

MOUSE = Logitech G7 Laser Cordless
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post #7749 of 12091
1/2/06 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by Don1959 View Post

The HL-R5078W displays all signals at 1920*1080P. It will scale/de-interlace all inputs to this resolution... it is the ONLY resolution it CAN display....

Don

I understand that part, but 1080p/60 shows twice the information of 1080i/60.
How does this set display 1080i? De-interlaced and shown at 30fps? Each de-interlaced frame shown twice to make 60fps?
The 720p is shown at 60fps, correct?
Are all formats shown at 60fps or 30fps?
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post #7750 of 12091
1/2/06 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by hdtvbostonma View Post

I understand that part, but 1080p/60 shows twice the information of 1080i/60.
How does this set display 1080i? De-interlaced and shown at 30fps? Each de-interlaced frame shown twice to make 60fps?
The 720p is shown at 60fps, correct?
Are all formats shown at 60fps or 30fps?


Don't confuse FPS with refresh rate. Actually there are mny standards for FPS supported by the HDTV standard 24,29.97,30, and 60. All broadcast material is at 30 full frames per second (obviously you have to deinterlace 60 half frames per second to get 30 fps full frame). Samsungs have the capability to do 1080P at 60 full frames per second. The only source for this material is from computers and game boxes. Blu-ray may have this capability, but it would double the amount of storage required so I would suspect that it would really be 30FPS with two modes, 1080i 60 half frames and 1080P 60 where each full frame is repeated twice.

The refresh rate on the Samsung is determined by the color wheel speed. It spins at 10000 rpm which means thet the screen is being refreshed 166 times a second. I take no responsiblity for any inaccuracies in the above.
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post #7751 of 12091
1/2/06 at 3:15pm
Hi All,
Been catching up on posts and been researching the best way to hook up an Xbox 360 to my HLR-5678. From what I gather, it sounds like the consensus is that the VGA connection provides least amount of issues with good quality. I did read on the Xbox site that certain resolutions are supported using VGA: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x...defdetails.htm

My question is to those using VGA, how does the picture look? Does it scale to 1080, or are you left with black bars? I am trying to confirm if I should go with the VGA vs. Component AV cable and what will yield best results with least amount of lag.

Any input you can provide would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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post #7752 of 12091
1/2/06 at 3:23pm
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Originally Posted by jameskollar View Post

Don't confuse FPS with refresh rate. Actually there are mny standards for FPS supported by the HDTV standard 24,29.97,30, and 60. All broadcast material is at 30 full frames per second (obviously you have to deinterlace 60 half frames per second to get 30 fps full frame). Samsungs have the capability to do 1080P at 60 full frames per second. The only source for this material is from computers and game boxes. Blu-ray may have this capability, but it would double the amount of storage required so I would suspect that it would really be 30FPS with two modes, 1080i 60 half frames and 1080P 60 where each full frame is repeated twice.

The refresh rate on the Samsung is determined by the color wheel speed. It spins at 10000 rpm which means thet the screen is being refreshed 166 times a second. I take no responsiblity for any inaccuracies in the above.

I think that we're on the same page with this. I know that with 720p you get 60 new pictures/sec. With 1080i, you get 30 new pictures/sec., but with appx. twice the pixels of 720p. Where I am a little confused is on how the Sammy displays this. My guess would be that from a 1080p source it's obvious, 60FPS. But with a 1080i source, I realize that you get 60fps, odd/even 30 times each for 30 new pictures/sec. I did not know if each new picture was shown twice, 30 new pictures/sec (60 frames), or if just 30 fps were shown 1x each (30 frames). 720p must be scaled to 1080p, shown at 60 new pictures/sec.

I'm still new to HDTV, so bear with me.
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post #7753 of 12091
1/2/06 at 3:43pm
Are there any calibration settings that reduce the RBE? Unfortunately, I live in a small town, and I don't think there is anyone here qualified to do an "expert calibration". I have Avia, but it doesn't seem to help much..........
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post #7754 of 12091
1/2/06 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by hdtvbostonma View Post

I think that we're on the same page with this. I know that with 720p you get 60 new pictures/sec. With 1080i, you get 30 new pictures/sec., but with appx. twice the pixels of 720p. Where I am a little confused is on how the Sammy displays this. My guess would be that from a 1080p source it's obvious, 60FPS. But with a 1080i source, I realize that you get 60fps, odd/even 30 times each for 30 new pictures/sec. I did not know if each new picture was shown twice, 30 new pictures/sec (60 frames), or if just 30 fps were shown 1x each (30 frames). 720p must be scaled to 1080p, shown at 60 new pictures/sec.

I'm still new to HDTV, so bear with me.

Here is what I understand. If I am incorrect, I apologize in advance.

1) I know that with 720p you get 60 new pictures/sec.

It all goes back to source material. If you're watching a broadcast movie for example, since the source was recorded at 24 full frames per second (shall we now use FFPS and HFPS for half frames) the best you can hope for is 24 FFPS with frames being repeated. Same is true for other broadcast material whish is at best 30 FFPS. If you are using broadcast material via OTA, Satellite, Cable, or DVD (not Blu ray which is not generally available) the best you can get is 30 FFPS, period. 720P is really at 30FFPS from the broadcasters.

Gaming/computers up the ante. For example, gaming using DirectX on a well equipped PC can easily deliver frame rates higher than 60FFPS and at resolutions higher than 1920 X 1080. IMO, unless you are seriously into gaming or are setting up your TV as yet another computer monitor, 60FFPS is not important.
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post #7755 of 12091
1/2/06 at 4:30pm
I use the Xbox 360 VGA output at 1280x1024P or 1280x720P. Either way the vga is the better output for the 360. I thought lag was eliminated with the 360 over componnet by Disabling DNIe. It wasn't peceptible to me when I disabled DNIE. But when I switched to the VGA ouput my scores on PGR3 increased. When I went back to component they decreased again and the only way I can explain it would be a slight lag that is causing my decreased scores.
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post #7756 of 12091
1/2/06 at 4:40pm
How does one go about finding a local shop to come out and do an expert calibration on these Samsung 1080 DLP's?
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post #7757 of 12091
1/2/06 at 4:46pm
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I use the Xbox 360 VGA output at 1280x1024P or 1280x720P. Either way the vga is the better output for the 360. I thought lag was eliminated with the 360 over componnet by Disabling DNIe. It wasn't peceptible to me when I disabled DNIE. But when I switched to the VGA ouput my scores on PGR3 increased. When I went back to component they decreased again and the only way I can explain it would be a slight lag that is causing my decreased scores.

Thanks for input aaronwt. Was the graphic quality the same on both inputs? Also, the 1280 thing is throwing me off. Since we are native at 1920x1080, does the 1280 mode have bars on top/bottom of image? I am trying to understand what type of picture I will get when comparing to a 720 hd image for example.
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post #7758 of 12091
1/2/06 at 4:57pm
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Originally Posted by GeoMetro View Post

Thanks for input aaronwt. Was the graphic quality the same on both inputs? Also, the 1280 thing is throwing me off. Since we are native at 1920x1080, does the 1280 mode have bars on top/bottom of image? I am trying to understand what type of picture I will get when comparing to a 720 hd image for example.

You can adjust the width and height of the VGA input in the picture menu so that it will fill the entire screen with little overscan. I haven't taken the time to compare the 1280x720P output to the 1280x 1024P output. It also might make a difference which game is used since some only output at 720P and some can go up to 1080i but I really need to check to see if I'm getting any extra resolution in the picture. When I get a chance I will run my test patterens on the 360 from my PC, I just need to find them and transfer them to my MCE PC for playback on the Xbox360.
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post #7759 of 12091
1/2/06 at 9:04pm
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Originally Posted by hdtvbostonma View Post

It seems that 720p broadcasts, for the most part, look better than 1080i.

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FOX & ESPN (720p) look better than CBS (1080i).

Interesting, thanks for sharing. At least in my particular situation, my observations have led me to believe the exact opposite. When I watch an NFL game on CBS HD, for example, the picture quality looks stunning to me. It's crystal clear, "three-dimensional," if you will, with minimal edge artifacts. It's a nice, tight picture that makes me weep with joy every time I see it.

However, when I watch Monday Night Football (or tonight's bowl games) on ABC HD, I'm seeing some pretty distracting scaling/deinterlacing artifacts (I'm assuming that's what they are). Still shots look fine for the most part, but even slight motion reveals thick stair-stepping along edges or lines that follow certain angles. "Stair-stepping" may not be quite the right description for what I'm seeing, since it often appears as if edges are being revealed though a slightly offset series of horizontal bars -- hence my assumption that I'm seeing a poor job of scaling (and deinterlacing?) the 720p signal. It's extremely obvious when viewing wide shots of the football field, where certain yard lines are clean and others are not.

I've tried it both ways and got the same results: Forcing the 8300HD to convert to 1080i before sending to the display, and then allowing the 5078 to receive the 720p signal and do its own conversion.

Three questions:

1) Is anyone else seeing the same thing?

2) Is anyone reasonably clear on exactly how the 68/78/88 series sets are converting from 720p to 1080i/p? Is it dropping resolution to 540p first (oh how I hope not, but that's almost what it looks like), then doubling to 1080p? I'm sure the math is not fun, but I would love to know what it's really doing.

3) If both the display and the cable box are unable to do a better job of scaling up from 720p to 1080i, is my only option for improvement to pony up for an external scaler?

I'm sending Time Warner through an SA8300HD -- set to deliver all signals at 1080i -- via component to my HLR-5078. Set is using Movie picture mode, DNIe is turned off, gamma is set to 0, all other SM options have been left untouched. By the way, the problem was just as evident before I made my SM changes. I've self-calibrated as best I could with DVE, and other than the above issue, I'm very happy with the PQ of my Sammy.

Thanks for any insight.
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post #7760 of 12091
1/2/06 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by calbert View Post

Interesting, thanks for sharing. At least in my particular situation, my observations have led me to believe the exact opposite. When I watch an NFL game on CBS HD, for example, the picture quality looks stunning to me. It's crystal clear, "three-dimensional," if you will, with minimal edge artifacts. It's a nice, tight picture that makes me weep with joy every time I see it.

Most CBS stations do not multicast so all the bits go to the main HD picture. Here in LA, all the other stations have something else on their channel. CBS is doing a good job in HD.
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However, when I watch Monday Night Football (or tonight's bowl games) on ABC HD, I'm seeing some pretty distracting scaling/deinterlacing artifacts (I'm assuming that's what they are). Still shots look fine for the most part, but even slight motion reveals thick stair-stepping along edges or lines that follow certain angles. "Stair-stepping" may not be quite the right description for what I'm seeing, since it often appears as if edges are being revealed though a slightly offset series of horizontal bars -- hence my assumption that I'm seeing a poor job of scaling (and deinterlacing?) the 720p signal. It's extremely obvious when viewing wide shots of the football field, where certain yard lines are clean and others are not.

Three things breakdown MPEG-2: fast motion, a lot of fine detail and noise. If you have a noisy camera taking a picture of a lot of detail (like a crowd at a football game) and doing a pan, you will see the picture break down. Pause a fast pan and you'll see a lot of distortion on many telecasts.
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I've tried it both ways and got the same results: Forcing the 8300HD to convert to 1080i before sending to the display, and then allowing the 5078 to receive the 720p signal and do its own conversion.

I set my D* receiver to the native format of the station and let the set do the conversion to 1080p.
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I'm sending Time Warner through an SA8300HD -- set to deliver all signals at 1080i -- via component to my HLR-5078. Set is using Movie picture mode, DNIe is turned off, gamma is set to 0, all other SM options have been left untouched. By the way, the problem was just as evident before I made my SM changes. I've self-calibrated as best I could with DVE, and other than the above issue, I'm very happy with the PQ of my Sammy.

I don't think you want to upconvert a 720p picture to 1080i and then let the set go to 1080p. I'd suggest you set the STB to the native signal on the channel. HDMI may produce a better picture than analog component.
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post #7761 of 12091
1/3/06 at 4:47am
Hi

Finally I got my Samsung 5078w
I have a question dose it support PAL signal

Thanks
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post #7762 of 12091
1/3/06 at 6:10am
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Originally Posted by Videopark View Post

I don't think you want to upconvert a 720p picture to 1080i and then let the set go to 1080p. I'd suggest you set the STB to the native signal on the channel. HDMI may produce a better picture than analog component.

I agree with you about this, but it is a bit of a pain to constantly be changing resolutions. As a result, for the most part I keep my HD TiVo set at 1080i, although for things like the Super Bowl I will change it to 720p. I'm hoping that D*'s next generation HD DVR allows for native pass through.
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post #7763 of 12091
1/3/06 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by Robert D View Post

How does one go about finding a local shop to come out and do an expert calibration on these Samsung 1080 DLP's?

If you check out http://www.imagingscience.com/isf-trained.cfm, that would be a place to start.
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post #7764 of 12091
1/3/06 at 8:42am
Thanks for the feedback, Videopark.

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Originally Posted by Videopark View Post

Three things breakdown MPEG-2: fast motion, a lot of fine detail and noise. If you have a noisy camera taking a picture of a lot of detail (like a crowd at a football game) and doing a pan, you will see the picture break down. Pause a fast pan and you'll see a lot of distortion on many telecasts.

So you're suggesting that the primary reason I'm seeing a nasty picture on ABC's MNF has less to do with the display's conversion from 720p > 1080p, and more to do with how they shoot, compress and broadcast the game? How likely is it that the broadcast quality for a national broadcast like that might vary from region to region? For example, during the Ohio State game yesterday afternoon, the first half of the first quarter wasn't even in HD. When they finally switched over to HD, the edge artifacts were **far** worse than I've ever seen, with every edge displaying heavy stair-stepping. Not sure if that was a national or local screw up.
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post #7765 of 12091
1/3/06 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by RMSko View Post

I agree with you about this, but it is a bit of a pain to constantly be changing resolutions. As a result, for the most part I keep my HD TiVo set at 1080i, although for things like the Super Bowl I will change it to 720p. I'm hoping that D*'s next generation HD DVR allows for native pass through.

Agree. The only reason I force my SA8300HD to output 1080i for everything is to make channel switching much faster. For programs where I really care about the quality of the broadcast, I'll let it send the native signal.
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post #7766 of 12091
1/3/06 at 1:54pm
Here is my story. I bought a HLR5678 1080P set when they first came out. On the back of the tv it had a June 2005 build date. When I got my XBOX 360 I was playing Need For Speed and noticed lag. When you would steer the car it was not that responsive, Then I hooked it up to a CRT TV and it was like playing a whole new game, it was smooth and quick in response. I was vary disappointed that Samsung would release this DLP. I had to return this DLP because of other issues, to make a long story short, I received my new Samsung HLR5678 and looked at the build date, it said October 2005, I then tested the XBOX 360 with Need For Speed again, to my surprise THE LAG WAS GONE. It even looks better. Maybe there is a fix for the newer build date DLP sets.
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post #7767 of 12091
1/3/06 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by CRIBREK View Post

Here is my story. I bought a HLR5678 1080P set when they first came out. On the back of the tv it had a June 2005 build date. When I got my XBOX 360 I was playing Need For Speed and noticed lag. When you would steer the car it was not that responsive, Then I hooked it up to a CRT TV and it was like playing a whole new game, it was smooth and quick in response. I was vary disappointed that Samsung would release this DLP. I had to return this DLP because of other issues, to make a long story short, I received my new Samsung HLR5678 and looked at the build date, it said October 2005, I then tested the XBOX 360 with Need For Speed again, to my surprise THE LAG WAS GONE. It even looks better. Maybe there is a fix for the newer build date DLP sets.

How do you have the XBox 360 connected to your TV? Did you also notice a reduction in audio lag (with an external receiver) on the HDMI input?
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post #7768 of 12091
1/3/06 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by calbert View Post

Thanks for the feedback, Videopark.

So you're suggesting that the primary reason I'm seeing a nasty picture on ABC's MNF has less to do with the display's conversion from 720p > 1080p, and more to do with how they shoot, compress and broadcast the game? How likely is it that the broadcast quality for a national broadcast like that might vary from region to region? For example, during the Ohio State game yesterday afternoon, the first half of the first quarter wasn't even in HD. When they finally switched over to HD, the edge artifacts were **far** worse than I've ever seen, with every edge displaying heavy stair-stepping. Not sure if that was a national or local screw up.

Remote production varies in PQ. Each remote is unique with different equipment and different engineers. Local stations may have their equipment set incorrectly or someone may have forgotten to throw a switch.

Usually for HD, the mobile unit sends the 1.5 Gb/sec. uncompressed HD signal to an uplink truck which compresses it to around 40 Mb/sec for the backhaul to the network using a 36 Mhz transponder. The network TOC then interfaces that signal to the network, sometimes adding studio cut-ins amd always adding commercials to the stream. It is then compressed back to around 40 Mb/sec for satellite transmission to the local station where it has commercials added and is then compressed to 19.4 Mb/sec. for transmission to your home.

It's a wonder it looks as good as it does! All things being equal, a 720p signal will have less compression artifacts than a 1080i signal broadcasting the same image. But things are rarely equal. Some 720p stations have two other program streams taking up bandwidth. Some 1080i stations only transmit one HD stream, using all the bandwidth for the best quality. Some stations have old encoders and others aren't adjusted correctly.

I feel the best HD PQ will come with Blu-ray and HD DVDs with higher data rates and more modern compression.
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post #7769 of 12091
1/3/06 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by UCSB View Post

How do you have the XBox 360 connected to your TV? Did you also notice a reduction in audio lag (with an external receiver) on the HDMI input?

Perhaps the October model has newer firmware that fixes this. Perhaps a call to Samsung support might be worth it to see if they have addressed XBox 360 lag.
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post #7770 of 12091
1/3/06 at 4:58pm
Hi, all!

Been lurking for a while, but my 6168 arrives tomorrow and set up questions are filling my head.

Here is my set up:

Receiver - H/K AVR 525
Cable - Motorola 6412 III
DVD - Samsung850 (single universal player w/upconvert).
Harmony 880 Universal Remote

My preference is to run all audio and switching through my H/K. However, as it is a few years old, it will not show OSD through component inputs (which I intend to use from the cable box and DVD player, rather than S-Video).

Questions:

1. Will the upconvert function of the DVD player work if I run through the receiver's component outs?

2. Does the 6168 have a "source" function such that I can switch between, e.g., cable being transmitted via S-Video and cable being sent via component? If so, I can program the Harmony to have a "Watch TV" and a "Watch HDTV" setting that will allow for fast switching and OSD even though the 6412 is the same source for each.

3. Does the optical audio out on the 6168 output all sources, such that I can connect the cable box and DVD player into it and then run one optical out into my H/K? Any disadvantage in doing this?

Thanks in advance and I apologize if these questions have been asked and answered.

CET
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