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post #31 of 177
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Yet another comment on the original topic...

The Aerial Acoustics CC-5 is a spectacular center channel speaker, at more than twice the price of the InRoom Gold Center; $3800 vs. $1750.

The key when choosing among products is which one is appropriate for your needs. The CC-5 is worth the hefty price, and it's built at least as well as a Triad speaker. The CC-3B is the most comparable to the Gold Center, though, at almost the same price. The driver configurations are similar, with vertical alignment of the tweeter and midrange for better dispersion, and the Triad weighs 11 lb. more due to the extensive bracing. The only major difference is in sensitivity. The Gold Center is 92 dB and the CC-3B is 86 dB, which means the Triad will play to the same level on one-quarter the power. This has nothing to do with quality, and may not be an issue, especially if your room is moderate in size. Consider what your real needs are, what speakers you'll use for left and right, and what looks and sounds best to you. Again, I consider Aerial to be a top speaker brand that doesn't get enough accolades. They look and sound wonderful, and they're well built.

While the driver configurations are similar Paul, it should be noted that the Gold LCR has a pair of 8" woofers as compared to the CC-3b's pair of 6.5" woofers. For those reading along, I would say the Gold LCR fits a nice niche inbetween these two, while having a potential benefit of being much higher sensitivity. I've installed quite a few CC-3s and have set up at least 7 systems with the CC-5. I have a project with Gold LCRs coming up. While of course this will be from memory, it should be interesting to see where they fit in the mix. In terms of overall clarity and certainly in build quality, the CC-5 is one of my personal benchmarks, with the caveat of requiring a brute of an amp.

Regards,
post #32 of 177
Regarding the retailers carrying Triad, it really doesn't fit.

The last remaining independant a/v dealers are concerned with becoming lean & mean in the SKU department, and when they see a line withy THAT many speakers available in THAT many configurations with THAT many finishes and colors, they run. They have no idea what to show from the mix, and there is no way to stock the right products to accomadate over-the-counter sales.

On the other hand, us custom guys look at all of the flexibility in the line as way to solve problems that always seemed to come up when we had the more traditional lines.

Retail based manufacturers have odd ideas about sales and marketing sometimes... I don't need 10% off the 13th pair of bookshelf monitors in light oak for buying a pallet quantity... I don't NEED a pallet of bookshelves right now, and I certainly wouldn't want all of my stock in light oak anyway!!

Many of us have become so sick of answering to clueless regional and national sales mgrs. that continually asked for end-of month (or quarter, or year) stocking orders... That's not our business, we rarely stock ANYTHING!! If I have six jobs in the pipeline, I have six speaker packages specified. I will place the orders as the "install the speakers" portion of the projects comes near.

Vendors like Triad understand this, which is why they have such aggressive growth.

Call your regional rep or territory rep and ask about the showrooms featuring Triad within an acceptable drive from your location. You may not be able to hear "this vs. that", but you may very well hear an excellent speaker system in very well done room. (many Triad dealers are among the best custom shops in their areas)

Best of luck...
--Rick.
post #33 of 177
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Originally Posted by TS45 View Post

Paul,

How would the Triad line sound with a Fosgate Model 4 processor in the mix?

Actually, when the Fosgate-Audionics Model Four Surround Processor (the official, authentic name) catches fire, use it to ignite the speaker.

You are obviously someone I know from my Fosgate days?? The Model Four was the best sounding analog surround processor on this planet until the Citation 7.0 came out...but that was then.
post #34 of 177
You simply *must* audition a set of Triad Gold LCRs. Try to hear a set of Gold Monitors, too!!

Breathtaking!

Let us know what you choose!
post #35 of 177
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Originally Posted by cinemascope View Post

Call your regional rep or territory rep and ask about the showrooms featuring Triad within an acceptable drive from your location. You may not be able to hear "this vs. that", but you may very well hear an excellent speaker system in very well done room. (many Triad dealers are among the best custom shops in their areas)

This is all that I would hope for anyway. Many retailers around here don't have every speaker from a given manufacturer ready to demo, just a couple of models at different price points (for example the Paradigm dealer might have one or two speakers models from each of their 4 lines (normal, Monitor, Reference, Signature). I can't expect a speaker in a demo room to sound exactly like it would at home, but it gives me an idea of what it might sound like and lets me do some A/B comparisons.

I don't know if Seattle is unusual, but most of the high-end audio shops here are doing a lot of business in custom installations and seem to be selling less and less boxed products. I live two blocks from Roosevelt Ave (aka Stereo Row) where 3 of the 4 stores are pretty much showrooms with limited stock on hand and who have showcase rooms for custom installs and do a high number of custom installs. The remaining store is Magnolia Hi-Fi's flagship store and it has a seperate showroom for custom installations.

I'm no longer in the market for speakers, but this is the thing that kept me from looking closely at the options from Triad. I had a hard time finding pricing information and a harder time finding locations to demo the speakers.

alex
post #36 of 177
If anyone is close to the Rochester, NY area, you are welcome to come on over and listen to the inwall Silver Mini Monitors. (Not that it helps you Alex. )

I do very much like these...I really do not know how the in-wall Golds could be even better.
post #37 of 177
In regards to the In-room Golds, I have a pair and they are simply fantastic. Compared to the old classic gold lcr they are not even in the same league. In fact the new silver lcr is a better speaker than the classic lcr, IMO.

The output, clarity and definition that the new golds have is awesome. Plus the sensitivity makes these speakrers compatable with a lot of amps. When you throw 300 watts at them they really sing. I have heard a couple of Gold Monitor systems and the Gold LCR's leave nothing to be ashamed about.

Good luck in your search, but you will not be disappointed with the Triads.
post #38 of 177
I'm going to reassert that Aerial and Revel are two excxellent choices, just so the thread doesn't become lopsided. They don't have anyone speaking on their behalf here, so this isn't totally fair. Privately, I am very critical of aspects of almost all speakers, especially when used inappropriately, but Aerial and Revel are both the real deal; well built with high quality drivers. Your expectations would be exceeded by any of these three, in my informed (and biased) opinion...
post #39 of 177
Paul - Hearty congratulations on the rave review in Widescreen Review !

The factory tour looked awesome, too !
post #40 of 177
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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

Paul - Hearty congratulations on the rave review in Widescreen Review !

The factory tour looked awesome, too !

Thanks! We were very pleased with the Gold PowerSub portion of the review, too.

If anyone in or visiting Portland would like a tour of a factory that actually makes speakers, let me know and I'll arrange it. No free samples, though...
post #41 of 177
Hi Paul,

Yes, I did work with you over the phone with Fosgate, you were most helpful!

Actually traded the old Model 4 in a few years ago to Audio Consultants, Libertyville Il. Near your old stomping grounds???

I look forward to auditioning your speaker line at some point, currently in Mobile, Al. Have enjoyed your honest and worthwhile input to this thread, thanks!


Tom
post #42 of 177
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Originally Posted by TS45 View Post


Actually traded the old Model 4 in a few years ago to Audio Consultants, Libertyville Il. Near your old stomping grounds???

I knew Rick, Loren, Dilly, and Tom from way back in the mid-'70s. I think they closed that store, but the Evanston store was and is one of the best high end shops in America. Simon is a wonderful person. I competed with them while I was at Columbia Audio/Video, but we were all friends back then, before our national policy became "you're either with us, or you're against us."

But, I digress...
post #43 of 177
Actually purchased the Model 4 from Columbia Audio / Video, Highland Park, also a great store!

Simon was great to work with, Phil in Libertyville is a great guy also.
post #44 of 177
Kal. The fireplace is not a good place for a speaker. It should be filled with fuzz and used as a low frequency broadband bass absorber. Besides, the weight and fashion challenged guy in the red suit keeps knocking the speaker off the stand.
post #45 of 177
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

InRoom Silver LCRs are $850 each, and they'll work well on a shelf or in a cabinet. You'll have slightly elevated response from around 100 Hz-300 Hz due to the boundary effect. Bob's advice of packing the area around the speaker with foam is spot on. The current and 3rd version of the Silver LCR is very robust, and is as sensitive as the Gold LCR.


Hi Paul,

I have a question regarding the retail price for the In-room Bronze/4 LCRs and In-wall Bronze/4 Surrounds?

I plan to have a customized entertainment center built for me with the In-room LCRs being placed on the shelves of the cabinetry. L and R would be facing vertical and the center would be facing horizontal just above the TV.

Thanks also to those mentioning the acoustic foam. I will definitely be adjusting my cabinet shelve slots for this.

My other question is based on the understanding that I will be using the speaker grill coming with the Bronze In-Rooms. Is it your recommendation that I also attenuate the 100 Hz-300Hz range a notch or two for the Bronze In-Rooms?

Forgive me for not knowing this but, if your answer is yes to the attenuate, what is the reason for it and how would it help me for the In-Room LCRs in the cabinet slot vs. In-walls?

Thanks.

DC
post #46 of 177
Wow, I thought this thread died months ago... IT'S ALIVE!!!

There are InWall versions of the Bronze and Silver LCRs, but not the Gold LCR...yet. (I have a non-functional mockup in my office for approval. It will be for new construction, only, unlike the Bronze and Silver LCRs.) The InWall versions already have their crossovers tweaked to compensate for the boundary effect. If you mount a Triad InRoom LCR into a wall, you'll have to eq it down in the upper bass, because of the gain in that region due to the boundary. Thus...the boundary effect.

Dennis Erskine has installed (masterfully) many Triad LCRs, and he may be able to better share what he's had to do in the realm of equalization when the speaker is a non-inwall and it's roughed in.

Erskine. Hullo??
post #47 of 177
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Wow, I thought this thread died months ago... IT'S ALIVE!!!

There are InWall versions of the Bronze and Silver LCRs, but not the Gold LCR...yet. (I have a non-functional mockup in my office for approval. It will be for new construction, only, unlike the Bronze and Silver LCRs.) The InWall versions already have their crossovers tweaked to compensate for the boundary effect. If you mount a Triad InRoom LCR into a wall, you'll have to eq it down in the upper bass, because of the gain in that region due to the boundary. Thus...the boundary effect.

Dennis Erskine has installed (masterfully) many Triad LCRs, and he may be able to better share what he's had to do in the realm of equalization when the speaker is a non-inwall and it's roughed in.

Erskine. Hullo??

Hi Paul,

Thank you for the information. What I plan on doing is getting the In-Room Bronze/4 LCR's and placing them in the customized shelves of the built-in entertainment center. Since I won't be mounting them into the wall, will I still need to eq it down in the upper bass?

Also, would you also happen to know the retail price of the In-Room Bronze/4 LCR's?

And would I lose anything if the center speaker were faced horizontal instead of vertical (the way the Left and Right will be facing)?

Thanks for all your help again.

-DC
post #48 of 177
Hi Paul

I too am interested in Triads but the Platinum Series what do they retail at.

Also are there any plans for a platinum surround, as there is only the gold surrounds right now

Thanks
Steven
post #49 of 177
DC...There's an InRoom Bronze LCR, an InWall Bronze/4 LCR, and an InCeiling Bronze/8 LCR. The numbers signify the required mounting depth. The InRoom models have no number. If you place an InRoom Bronze LCR; or any other speaker; on a shelf, you'll get a little boundary boost, but you probably won't notice it. Vocals may sound a little chesty, especially Dolly Parton recordings. (Indulge me...it's 6 AM here.) If you have an equalizer in your system, you can easily knock down that bump. InRoom Bronze LCRs are $500 each in the basic black finish. In most systems using three Bronze LCRs up front, the center is placed horizontally. Purists will tell you it's not ideal, but it works very well, especially for the middle two or three listeners.

Steven...The Platinum LCR and Platinum Center have just gone through an upgrade, with an improved crossover and a redesigned midrange chamber with more use of the clay-filled rubber damping material we use in the Monitor series. This is just my opinion, but I don't think there's any other speaker as accurate as the Platinum that will play as loud as the Platinum. It is absolutely sick. They are $6000 each, but that goes to $6300 each on February 1st. (I just told you something my dealers and reps don't know yet.) We are getting killed on price increases for foam and MDF. Increases this year have been 30% to 40%, and with all the bracing and double walls, the Platinum uses an acre of MDF. And at almost 150 lb. each, FedEx is spanking us on freight, which we pay for.

There are two new Gold Surrounds coming which will replace the current Gold Surrounds. They will be somewhat larger, and utilize eight drivers each. The InWall version has a nearly-flush grill and will fit into a 4" deep stud space. This will be a huge improvement over the current Gold Surround, designed to mate with the new Gold LCR and also for use with the Platinum LCR.

The InRoom Platinum PowerSub is still $2800US, and uses the same monster 18" Eminence driver, but it is now shipping with the new RackAmp1000, which delivers 1000 watts into a 4 ohm load. The old amp was 500 watts. The new amplifier has roughly the same features as the old one, but it is styled better and kicks pretty hard.

A complete Platinum system just went into a $2M house about a mile from me, and I should be able to hear it and calibrate it before Christmas. The installer used the big Sim2 Moon stuff, so it should be awesome. I've heard Platinums with a Denon receiver, though, and they still crush.
post #50 of 177
Thanks for the helpful info. Paul. Just to let you know, I have already listened to these speakers in a custom install done by one of your custom installers, Ultimate Control, here in San Jose, Ca. They were fantastic as the speakers were all in-wall, and I never thought I'd hear in-wall speakers sound so good. I would love to have the budget to move up to the Platinums, but I'm still satisfied with the prospects of getting the Bronze LCRs. My planned theater room is about 17'x17' and I'll be running my Denon 4806 receiver thru these speakers. Any recommendations on settings either receiver/speaker in order for me to get the best sound out of these speakers?

Primarily, I'll use these speakers for movies, but I'll also enjoy listening to some great vocals once in awhile.

Thanks again for your help.

-DC
post #51 of 177
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

DC...

There are two new Gold Surrounds coming which will replace the current Gold Surrounds. They will be somewhat larger, and utilize eight drivers each. The InWall version has a nearly-flush grill and will fit into a 4" deep stud space. This will be a huge improvement over the current Gold Surround, designed to mate with the new Gold LCR and also for use with the Platinum LCR.

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Add my name to the list of thinking about the In Room Gold LCR's.

Paul, I currently have M&K S-150's all around in my theater, and I would like to know how the Gold LCR's would compare. I'm looking for a speaker that goes a little deeper than the M&K, and ultimately, sounds better with music - and, ultimately, movies.

Also, when do the new Gold "On Wall" Surrounds come out - and how much will they be?

I'm very much enjoying this thread, as Revels and Aerials are also on my short list.
post #52 of 177
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Originally Posted by virtualdc View Post

My planned theater room is about 17'x17' and I'll be running my Denon 4806 receiver thru these speakers. Any recommendations on settings either receiver/speaker in order for me to get the best sound out of these speakers?

Primarily, I'll use these speakers for movies, but I'll also enjoy listening to some great vocals once in awhile.

Thanks again for your help.

-DC

That's a pretty straightforward setup. I'd leave the crossover frequency at 80 Hz for the fronts and surrounds. Bronze LCRs use very robust, cast-basket Peerless drivers, and they have pretty good headroom at 80 Hz. If you have an 8.5' ceiling, you hit the jackpot as far as a big bass spike. You have two 17' dimensions already, and a multiple of that will cause problems. Expect a peak between 60-70 Hz, which you may be able to remove by inducing crossover suckout. If you have a bump there, lowpass your sub at about 50 Hz and highpass the fronts at 80 Hz, creating a dip where you have boost.

I'm guessing, based upon your dimensions...Run a Radio Shack analog meter with a test CD that has a bass frequency sweep with a voice-over. I have one, and I'll try to dig it up for the title...
post #53 of 177
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Originally Posted by bambam View Post

Add my name to the list of thinking about the In Room Gold LCR's.

Paul, I currently have M&K S-150's all around in my theater, and I would like to know how the Gold LCR's would compare. I'm looking for a speaker that goes a little deeper than the M&K, and ultimately, sounds better with music - and, ultimately, movies.

Also, when do the new Gold "On Wall" Surrounds come out - and how much will they be?

I'm very much enjoying this thread, as Revels and Aerials are also on my short list.

Again, those are all great brands...among the best. The M&K S-150 is very snappy and dynamic, with lots of output and a very theatrical presence. I mean that in a good sense; the speaker is a lot of fun, and it's a great HT choice. The Gold LCR is more expensive and larger, and has bigger drivers, so, naturally, it has more extension, output, and power handling. Seas designed all the drivers in the Gold LCR expressly for Triad, and the emphasis was on smooth, accurate, musical sound. We don't "voice" or "tailor" any of our speakers. You may interpret that as being very accurate on music. One characteristic of the Gold LCR that is revealed after extensive listening is that the speaker does not change personality as the volume is cranked. It just gets louder...not aggressive sounding.

This isn't meant as a commercial...I happen to love this speaker, even if my opinion may be biased. Okay, they're paying me, I'll admit it...
post #54 of 177
That is not the news I wanted to hear Paul. New Gold Surrounds. If they are as big an improvement as the new gold lcr's are over the classics, they are going to be sick. I think for sure my wife is going to kill me on this upgrade. When are the new Gold surrounds going to be released and what is the msrp on them?

Ben
post #55 of 177
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Originally Posted by Ben L C View Post

That is not the news I wanted to hear Paul. New Gold Surrounds. If they are as big an improvement as the new gold lcr's are over the classics, they are going to be sick. I think for sure my wife is going to kill me on this upgrade. When are the new Gold surrounds going to be released and what is the msrp on them?

Ben

The design concept is frozen, and we are still qualifying one of the driver choices. I can't give you a date, but the new Gold Surrounds are a few months away. It's as dramatic an improvement as the new Gold LCR over the Classic Gold LCR, though, so they'll work well with both Gold and Platinum LCRs. The price goes from $1200 each to $1500 each.

I hate to be the bearer of good news...
post #56 of 177
Thanks a lot Paul. I just picked up a set of the Gold LCRs and could not be happier. I have been running two pairs of OnWall Gold Surrounds for about 4 years now. An upgrade of those would be great, however, cost is always an issue. To me the mains are much more important, but the idea of better matching surrounds is always nice. Geez, my wife is going to kill me. Next thing you know is you will be upgrading the Platinum subs and then I will have to replace those as well.
post #57 of 177
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Originally Posted by Scott B View Post

...Next thing you know is you will be upgrading the Platinum subs and then I will have to replace those as well.

As of two weeks ago, the Platinum is shipping with a new 1000 watt ICEpower RackAmp.
post #58 of 177
Damn you Paul.....


Actually, it will take more than that to make me switch out my current Platinum PowerSubs. An upgrade to the driver to go along with the extra power would certainly give me something to think about.
post #59 of 177
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Originally Posted by Scott B View Post

Damn you Paul.....


Actually, it will take more than that to make me switch out my current Platinum PowerSubs. An upgrade to the driver to go along with the extra power would certainly give me something to think about.

Maybe like one with higher sensitivity and double the excursion??
post #60 of 177
The price seems good. I was thinking the price increase would be like that of the new Gold LCR's. Really the price is not anymore than the current Gold surrounds at $1200 msrp for the standard black onwall version. What are the dimensions?
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