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post #421 of 10847
are there any stores in NYC that have the 50a10 on display
post #422 of 10847
Hey guys, I am really really interested in the new 42' sony. I have bought so many tvs in the past month and returned them that I am sick of reading about tvs now. I've bought the smasung slim fit 30' HDTV and returned it do to color bleed in the corners and an hour glass shape when playing some games. After that I bought the Polaroid 32' LCD HDTV and returned that after noticing motion blur with my xbox. After that I bought the 32' westinghouse LCD. Very noticeable motion blur and ghosting on that one as well *SIGH* So after that I said I will just shell out the rest of the money to get a samsung 32' LCD. I bring it home yesterday and the picture quality is worst than the westinghouse, granted no ghosting, but still little blurring. But the picture is fuzzy even you can notice it with HD channels.

I'm sick of this. I called my local BB today and they said they could order me the new 42' model and have it delivered to my house for free with 100 off the listed 1999.99 price. I am a huge video gamer and was wondering if I should just go ahead and return the sammy for this one? The sammy cost me just a little over 2200.00 I have comcast HD if that helps too. Thanks in advance.
post #423 of 10847
Well, i've got some cool news for the Chicagoland area folks.


Abt Electronics just got in the 50" A10. I just talked to a guy I know there and he said they just got them in today. He said they'll likely have a floor model out later today or early tomorrow morning.


That means i'll finally be able to see one myself tomorrow afternoon. Seeing as i've owned a GW III for the past year I think I can give another good perspective for many of you who are waiting to hear more about this tv and how it compares to Sony's previous LCD Projection sets.
post #424 of 10847
The first person in Houston who wants one of these calibrated by me will get a price break. Send me a PM.
post #425 of 10847
please post reviews. Help will be appreciated. Please compare to the HL-R5067 if someone can. Thoughts between the two?
post #426 of 10847
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Originally Posted by umr View Post

The first person in Houston who wants one of these calibrated by me will get a price break. Send me a PM.

Can't wait to see your "UMR Does..." thread.
post #427 of 10847
Would this tv be an improvement over the 32' LCD samsung I have now?
post #428 of 10847
I think any of the good Sony LCD Projection sets would be an improvement over flat panel LCDs. The reason is that LCD Projection sets simply do not suffer from bad motion blurring. There is some but for most people it's almost undetectable. I'm a pretty picky viewer and i'm never bothered by motion blur on my LCD Projection set.
post #429 of 10847
Thanks for the quick response. Can anyone tell me the response time on the new 42' LCD. My g/f is pretty pissed off because I keep returning tvs but I just will NOT settle on something I'm paying almost 2000$ for.

Like I said this tv will be used for video gaming, HD programing and standard. I have comcast HD.

Also can someone tell me if the resolution on this tv is better than the 1388 x 1024 my current sammy has? Thanks in advance.
post #430 of 10847
No one will be able to give you true response time figures for LCD Projection sets. Thats because i've never seen a single manufacturer that publishes numbers for these sets. The bottom line is that they're probably right behind plasmas which basically means they're pretty darn good and way better than most flat panel LCD tvs.


In reference to resolution. Almost all the current LCD Projection sets have the same or better resolution as that flat panel you currently have. They're very good for their size.

In a nutshell i'm just telling you not to worry about LCD Projection sets and reponse times and resolution. You're always gonna get more tv for your money with an LCD Projection.
post #431 of 10847
Thanks man!

I'm just confused as to what resolution is better for 720P. Would it be the 1366x788 or the 1028x720 that this one has.

I am also in Chicago and my local BB said they could order it for me and shipped to my house in a week.
post #432 of 10847
I'm also in the Chicago land area, and the BB around me said they can have it shipped to my house in 10 days.

I'm just confused as to what resolution is better for 720P The 1388x1024 or the 1024x720 that this tv has, well at least I think thats the resolution. Thanks.
post #433 of 10847
An earlier post from someone that join AVS today said he seen Claymation on the 50a10 he saw at a store. First of all this will be the first time I heard of claymation on a LCD RP. It's been widely known on DLP though. My question is could it be with the red push he was talking about make the faces un-nataral and make it look like clay
post #434 of 10847
Wow, you picked up on all the AVS slang really fast for being registered 1 day! Heck of a first post


Quote:
Originally Posted by ggghhh View Post

I saw the e50a10 at Ultimate Electronics in Maple Grove, Minnesota this weekend. Here are my impressions. The TV was next to the e55a20 and some Samsung DLP's. The room was dimly lit. I'm not by any means a tv reviewer expert. I'm just offering my opinion because I don't see may actual tv reviews in this thread. I'm on the fence between DLP and LCD. And, I'll spend the money to get a plasma unless I can find a projection tv I like.

The Store:
1. Poor salesman who gave me bad information and even outright wrong answers to questions I asked.
2. Wouldn't adjust any color settings or anything else on the tv.
3. Would only display the tv with the manufacturers original settings.
4. It's nice to compare displays in a dark cool room.
5. Got a hassle when I asked about a pricematch to Sears 10% off Sale.
6. Didn't check the sound because too many other tv's were on with sound and the salesman was a hassle to deal with.

The Bad:
1. I saw a meaningful amount of SSE at any distance from the tv with solid bright white or bright blue colors. Didn't see any SSE on the a20 or Sammy DLP's. Unless there is a fix for this, this is close to a deal breaker for me.
2. There is a significant amount of red push. Anything that is a solid red color bled into the surroundings. I know they want the tv to look better than the adjacent tv in a brightly lit showroom, but this is way more than I can accept.
3. The greens were also set way to high, but not as bad as the reds.
4. Blacks are about 80-90% of the Adjacent DLPs and slightly better than the e55a20.
5. DLP's looked more filmlike than the e50a10.
6. The Wife said she liked the Samsung DLP's better than the e50a10. (lip-sync issue notwithstanding).
7. A bit of claymation effect (especially on peoples' faces) when objects were moving slowly.
8. Motion blurring when displaying somewhat fast moving objects.

The Good:
1. Much richer, deeper and more lifelike colors than the a20 or Sammy DLP's. Especially on stationary objects.
2. Very bright and realistic display.
3. SD tv looked very good.
4. Very attractive slim cabinet.
5. No SDE at 7'.
6. I preferred the e50a10 over the Sammy DLP's and the e55a20 unless the issues in The Bad were showing up, which is only a small percent of the time anyway.

The Summary:
1. I was very much leaning toward getting this tv based on the talk at this forum until I saw it. I still think it is a very good tv and decent price. But the fact is, it's not the no-brainer decision to get this tv that I was hoping for.
2. I know a lot of the stuff in this post just covers the DLP vs. LCD differences, but I still think they are important because this tv isn't the panacea for all of projection LCD's shortcomings.
3. Don't get my salesman at UE. I'm quite sure they other salesmen that are very good and helpful, so try for one of them.
post #435 of 10847
what exactly is the infamous "red push"
post #436 of 10847
Red Push is really just another way of saying that the color red is way too strong from the factory settings. Tv manufacturers intentionally punch the red up to make the tv stand out and look more vibrant on a showroom floor. It catches people's eyes but a real professional tv should not look that way.
post #437 of 10847
how can you get red of the red push, what setting do you need to adjust.

Can someone who has this tv already post their settings
post #438 of 10847
Claymation? Silkscreen? Blurring? You guys are scaring the hell out of me.
post #439 of 10847
You can fix the red push one of two ways.


First you can just turn down the color on the tv a bit. This isn't really a fix to the problem but it will reduce the strength of the reds and thus things will look a bit more normal.


The real way to fix red push is to go into the tv's service menu and actually adjust the red that way. Sometimes it's easier to do on certain sets.


Please, don't ask me what a service menu is next. I don't want to fill this thread up with talk about the basics of tv calibration. Thanks.
post #440 of 10847
I know that. just was wondering if there was an easier way, than having to go into the service menu. I had the 42we655 before and there was not really any red push that I could see. Just really didnt know what the term meant. Thanks for clearing it up for me.
post #441 of 10847
Red Push is not always gonna be noticable to most consumers as they probably are not aware of what the red should look like when properly calibrated.


For instance, I have a 51" Sony WS655 CRT RPTV in my basement and it actually has a feature in the regular menu where you can turn the red push off. In that menu it's labeled "variable red axis" and when you flip between on and off you can clearly see the difference it makes.


So, some of the top of the line sets off that adjustment right in the regular menu but there aren't many tvs that do that.
post #442 of 10847
Red push is where yellows are too orange while the gray can be OK. For signals connected via component cables it can be corrected with an attenuator on the Cr line. A better fix is to change the color decoder settings in the service menu, umr was able to do this with earlier GW series sets and can probably do it for the GW-V sets too. I hope that umr will post some info after he calibrates one of these sets.
post #443 of 10847
Quote:
Originally Posted by deconvolver View Post

....I hope that umr will post some info after he calibrates one of these sets.

I will post a thorough review once I get a chance to calibrate one. I have an A20 scheduled in two weeks.
post #444 of 10847
Can someone reccomend the DVD's that setup the calibration for your TV? Which one is the best one?
post #445 of 10847
Quote:
Originally Posted by umr View Post

I will post a thorough review once I get a chance to calibrate one. I have an A20 scheduled in two weeks.

I'd imagine it's going to be a few more weeks before someone schedules an A10. Only a few seem to have them already. I'm very interested to see what you end up doing with the iris settings.
post #446 of 10847
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmw1137 View Post

Where are you located LCD Guy?

I will try splitting the signal before the box to see if that improves anything. I can deal with a slightly fuzzy picture but the white lines that are constantly rolling up my screen on some channels is really annoying. I haven't seen anyone talk about this and I did some searches and couldn't find anything either. If I'm seeing this am I right to guess there's definitely a problem with my TV?

I live in Fresno, CA. The fuzzy picture has always been that way from Comcast. I don't know about the white lines. If you don't have them on your other tv maybe it is your new tv.
post #447 of 10847
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael St. Clair View Post

Claymation? Silkscreen? Blurring? You guys are scaring the hell out of me.

I own this tv and have not seen any of the above issues. With all of the Samsung dlps I noticed serious blurring and clamation effects, but have not seen them once on my E50A10.
post #448 of 10847
Quote:
Originally Posted by km23 View Post

Can someone reccomend the DVD's that setup the calibration for your TV? Which one is the best one?

I doubt you really want the best, but if you do I would purchase AviaPro. I would purchase Avia if you are only going to purchase one. The blue filter supplied with DVE is too dark to use effectively.

I hope you realize that these DVD's alone will not allow you to calibrate your TV. Instrumentation and specific display knowledge is required. I am know selling software to use with a quality instrument that would enable the enthusiast to have a very credible measurement system at under $1000.
post #449 of 10847
I have had the A10 since Saturday. Haven't played around too much but it has been great. Have extensively watched DLPs and LCDs at friends' houses but this is my first set. Couple of comments based on some of what is popping up in this forum:

- SDE effect - I have to get pretty close up to the screen (walk up to it) and look for it to notice. No worse and no better than any LCD I have seen...and I did a lot of research.
- Silkscreen, Blurry Motion, Claymation?? - I have noticed none of this and I have watched a lot of sports (soccer and baseball) and some movies/TV Shows.
- SD Content - I have Comcast and the Digital channels are very good (better than I have seen elsewhere. The Analog channels are just OK. I think the guy who mentioned a "white line" going up the screen was watching Analog channel. Fortunately, Comcast in my area has 40% of their Analog channels digitally simulcast and plans to be at 100% by the end of the year.
- Black Levels - Great, granted I have not tested any telltale scenes (LOTR, etc.)
- PQ - Great.
- Sound - Not as bad as I thought it would be based on reviews...but still leaves something to be desired.
- Fan sound - very faint...if you listen for it when the volume is completely down you can make it out. Non factor.
- Color - Reds and Green do "push" dramatically. I'm not sure I understand why people are making such a big deal about this. Everyone I talk to says you have to get a set of this quality calibrated anyway.

On that note, any recommendations for someone to calibrate in the NJ area?
post #450 of 10847
Quote:
Originally Posted by umr View Post

I doubt you really want the best, but if you do I would purchase AviaPro. I would purchase Avia if you are only going to purchase one. The blue filter supplied with DVE is too dark to use effectively.

I hope you realize that these DVD's alone will not allow you to calibrate your TV. Instrumentation and specific display knowledge is required. I am know selling software to use with a quality instrument that would enable the enthusiast to have a very credible measurement system at under $1000.

The TV will cost less than 2K, but calibration is 1K? I'd rather not pay that much. $40 for a DVD calibration should be good enough for me.
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