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post #811 of 10847
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Originally Posted by curbilly View Post

Just joined the forum guys after reading all 25 pages of this thread the other night. I would like to thank all of u in helping me make the decision on buying the 50in Sony. Hoping now to help u guys out. The Electronics Expo in Woodbridge NJ has the 50 inch model on display in a media room with only a few other screens and also a movable chair so if u bring a tape measure u can easily check how it looks from distances up to about 20 feet. They are selling it for 10% of the MSRP of 2499.00. But the real deal is at PC Richard where I bought mine about 3 hours ago. $1949.00 plus 50.00 deliery, which is as early as the next day including Sundays. Getting mine tomorrow. Still deciding if I am going to upgrade my Directv to HDTV or to go with Cablevision. Hope to give u guys further input on the actual TV tomorrow.

Any chance you can help a brother out. Maybe PM me with sales guys name, copy of your receipt, anything. I can go to PC Richards in Paramus today and finally buy my TV. Thanks for anything you can do.
post #812 of 10847
There was no special deal, that is the price all PC Richards are selling it for at this time. I got that price at 3 different locations w/o any haggling. All the salesman told me that they have an agreement with sony to sell at this price, don't know if that is the case or not. Also one salesman said that their cost on each TV is 1899.00, so they are only making 50.00. Don't know if this true or not but, 1949.00 is a great price. BTW like i said bought it last night around 5:00, and the delivery guys woke me up this morning at 8:00 with the TV. Should have it hooked up later today, but won't have my HDTV cable install untill the 18th, so thats a bummer, but any other questions i can answer feel free to ask.
post #813 of 10847
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Originally Posted by randyshoopman View Post

Here are some photos from my 50" a10. ...Bandwidth edit.....

Thanks for the pics....great job.
post #814 of 10847
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Originally Posted by curbilly View Post

There was no special deal, that is the price all PC Richards are selling it for at this time. I got that price at 3 different locations w/o any haggling. All the salesman told me that they have an agreement with sony to sell at this price, don't know if that is the case or not. Also one salesman said that their cost on each TV is 1899.00, so they are only making 50.00. Don't know if this true or not but, 1949.00 is a great price. BTW like i said bought it last night around 5:00, and the delivery guys woke me up this morning at 8:00 with the TV. Should have it hooked up later today, but won't have my HDTV cable install untill the 18th, so thats a bummer, but any other questions i can answer feel free to ask.

Thanks, looking forward to your review...Price on website is higher...it would be great if what they told you is true, I hate to have to talk these guys down in prices...I am going to hit the one in Paramus in a couple of hours, I'll let you know.
post #815 of 10847
Walked into Sears in Kalamazoo, MI yesterday - small little place and really didn't expect to see the A10, but thought maybe they have the new Mitsu LCD that I can check out -- first thing I see is the 50A10 - it was sweet. So much better than last year's model -- they had last years at closeoutsale so could compare the two and while one bulb is getting tired and the other one is fresh there were differences that I think are just due to the new model. Will probably get this model (just wished it was 55-inch, but oh well) but have one question about the VGA input since I have never hooked up my computer to the tv before (tried S-video once and it sucked so I don't count that).

If I have my computer dvd-player set to another regional format (Europe) can I then send that over the VGA without any issues and see this on the new Sony? Do I need to do any settings / are there any limitations in these that will hinder the movie since it is another region? Appreciate any info

Thanks
post #816 of 10847
PC Richards has them in their showroom in NYC. Only the 42 though, but it looked sweet. I dont know about CC or BB, but I bought mine thru CC thru the store manager. It is being delivered to my apartment in less that two hours. The 50in that is. Excited. Will give you guys my initial evaluation and tweaks once completed. Thanks for the advice to everyone in this forum. Much appreciated.
post #817 of 10847
For those in the DC area, the Sears at Landmark Mall in Alexandria says the 42 are available in the warehouse for delivery as early as Monday. I just spoke with Bernie who was very helpful, and they are selling them at below MSRP.

They don't have them on the floor yet.
post #818 of 10847
tv came. I was alittle scared because the box looked like it was hit a few times. But I set up the tv and the pq looks AMAZING. My tv does have the little horizontal bowing on the bottom of the base of the tv, but I dont care because that has nothing to do with the picture. HD is awesome on this. For all of you who thought the 50in would be to big sitting 7-8.5 ft away. It is perfect. No viewing problems for me so far.

I had the HL-R4667 before this but exchanged it. BEST decision I ever made. Sharpness, clarity, and overall pq is so much better on this tv. In my opinion you wont be disappointed. But that is all for now. Will do some more tweaking later and get back to everyone in this forum.

Also, can people please post their settings once they get their tv to help others out. Sorry if it might be annoying, but this forum is based on people relying on others for assistance. Just my two cents. Will post my setting later today.
post #819 of 10847
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Originally Posted by cobbway View Post

UMR: That really hurts us hicks who live in the Sticks, and can't bring a calibration specialist out to our house. Unless we give him our first born.
Maybe you can put together information describing how to get the red push out, ext. from the service section on a email link or something. While charging us a Fee for the info.

I doubt that will work. Much of what is done to improve a display requires instrumentation and test patterns to do it well. My other issue is that people have been known to post ISF calibration information on the web after purchasing their services alone much less detailed instructions.

Many of us will travel anywhere for a price less than your first born.
post #820 of 10847
Anyone know where I can see either of the models in the Denver area?
post #821 of 10847
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Can you try reposting those as attachments. One of them comes up as an exe file, and most are not about to try to open it.

The exe was the Nokia monitor test and, your right, opening an exe from a stranger is probably not the smartest thing to do. If you want to run it, just google 'nokia monitor test' and you can find it from a 'reputable' source.
post #822 of 10847
Got a chance to hop on my parents computer for a moment to give a couple more tidbits for those who are interested.


One thing i've come to realize after tweaking and adjusting for each of my game systems and HD signals is that this new A10 does not offer a true "pro" setting. Don't be fooled, the "custom" setting is not the "pro" setting with a new name. It's actually slightly dissapointing but basically the three available settings are "Vivid" (torch mode), "Standard" (torch mode with half the calories), and "Custom" (torch mode light). In other words they all exhibit a larger amount of picture processing than some people are gonna be happy with. Again, i'm just trying to give a heads up to the ultra picky out there.


For most people this will be a non issue but it's a noted change from the GW III and GW IV. There simply is not true way to see a pure "pro" setting unless you go into the service menu on this set. Of course with a bit of adjusting the "custom" mode can get most people satisfied "such as myself" but some might still have issues with the processing thats going on even in the "custom" mode. When I talk about processing i'm talking about overly digitized and almost "too sharp" a look to things. This leads to SD material looking harsher and HDTV material looking overly sharp. Of course i've already turned down my sharpness setting to 35. It could even go lower but i'll see.

I've currently got my tv set up as follows:

"Custom" picture mode. Iris set at 2. Picture set at 60. Brightness at 50. Color at 38. Hue, default. Sharpness 35. Noise reduction off. Advanced settings: Gamma low, black correcton low, iris low, live color off, pure white off.


For me those are pretty darn good HD settings with my Comcast cable card.



With all that said I still have to say that the A10 is capable of so much more than the previous LCD Projection sets. When you get right down to it the picture is just very solid with HD material. SD is clearly less attractive than it was with the GW III and IV. This is due to the increased processing of the picture. It brings out the flaws in content much more than it did on previous LCD Projection sets. Of course that also means that the HD material is as brilliant as it could be. So, the best stuff looks better than it did on the GW III and IV but the worst looks worser than it did prior. Is worser a word?


Overall this set truly looks stunning with a good HD signal. Just make sure you adjust things on the custom setting and once you've got things in a more normal range it's quite a sight.


As for videogames it's the same story. Really good looking Xbox games look even better than they did on the GW III and IV. But the less impressive games with aliasing problems and running at 480p look a little worse. This tv gives you everything out of the source material and that can be good or bad depending on the material. The tv sort of reminds me of a DLP set in that regard.



My earlier concerns with the "advanced iris" have all but disappeared. This iris truly adds something to this tv and I have no intentions of ever setting it off. Even with my games, which were first a concern of mine, the iris adds to the picture greatly. I recommend generally setting the iris at "2" but some may like it higher than that. Either way it truly does what it was intended to do. Increase the contrast between dark and light scenes and it works very nicely when the tv is adjusted well.


I still don't like the remote. I still love the look of the tv. I am still thrilled I bought it. It's easily the best LCD Projection set that has been released to date.


If you're thinking of asking me a question just be aware that i'm going out of town tomorrow and likely won't respond til Wednesday at the earliest. Later.
post #823 of 10847
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Originally Posted by BSparks294 View Post

Anyone know where I can see either of the models in the Denver area?

I have the 42A10 set up at the ListenUp store at 685 S. Pearl St. We are open today. Call me at 3-778-0780 if you would like to come in. BTW, I came up with the same settings as Tigerriot on the custome setting tuning by eye. I will turn the iris all the way to 1 when the lights are out. Lew Black
post #824 of 10847
Just finished talking to Sony support. The 50A10 remote can not talk to any Sony DVD Recorder. They say they forgot to program it into the remote. They say the problem will be fixed with next years models.
I tired 20 codes so far and none work. If anyone finds a work around please tell me.
post #825 of 10847
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Originally Posted by randyshoopman View Post

You'll need to download them fully to see full resolution. The PC shots are using the VGA connector. At Full1 and Full2 the desktop is underscanned and at Zoom the desktop is overscanned. But it looks like the Zoom setting is the best one based on the shots IMG_0237, IMG_0238, and IMG_0239 which show the Resolution test from the Nokia montior utility. The lines aren't clear under Full1 and Full2. It looks like the pictures is scaled down on these settings, whereas at Zoom it looks 1:1. Only problem with Zoom is it's overscanned. If anyone knows a fix for this I'd like to hear about it. The tv doesn't have a resize ability that I can find, only the ability to move the picture up/down/left/right. I've attached the nokia monitor test program if anyone wants to try.

btw Thanks for all the great posts. It made my decision to go with the a10 an easy one.

Randy:
The pictures were Great. Can you Post your settings at below link. Its the A10 Tweak Thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=566619
post #826 of 10847
UMR:
Can You Give me a good contact ISF pearson in the Birmingham AL area. That would be the closest Big city to me, I live Anniston Al. I'll probably wait till I have 100 Hours on my set to have it calibrated when I get it.
post #827 of 10847
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Originally Posted by curbilly View Post

There was no special deal, that is the price all PC Richards are selling it for at this time. I got that price at 3 different locations w/o any haggling. All the salesman told me that they have an agreement with sony to sell at this price, don't know if that is the case or not. Also one salesman said that their cost on each TV is 1899.00, so they are only making 50.00. Don't know if this true or not but, 1949.00 is a great price. BTW like i said bought it last night around 5:00, and the delivery guys woke me up this morning at 8:00 with the TV. Should have it hooked up later today, but won't have my HDTV cable install untill the 18th, so thats a bummer, but any other questions i can answer feel free to ask.

You were right on, My set is being delivered tomorrow. Thanks for the tip.
post #828 of 10847
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Originally Posted by justanotherrogue View Post

You were right on, My set is being delivered tomorrow. Thanks for the tip.

I wish there was a PC Richards in Alabama
All we have are carpetbaggers
post #829 of 10847
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Originally Posted by cobbway View Post

UMR:
Can You Give me a good contact ISF pearson in the Birmingham AL area. That would be the closest Big city to me, I live Anniston Al. I'll probably wait till I have 100 Hours on my set to have it calibrated when I get it.

Sorry,

I don't see anyone around Birmingham that has a spectroradiometer along with skill set that I would recommend.
post #830 of 10847
Can you anyone take a picture of the horizontal banding on the corners of the TV?

It seems to be for the 42's only.

Also, any place in Orange County, CA that has the 42" for viewing?
post #831 of 10847
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Originally Posted by scttj8 View Post

UMR-
Second the Dallas trip or local recommendation for ISF.

Rumor has it that Valley View Sears has a 50" on display. I have not verified.

Will buy 42 as soon as I see it.


Valley View Sears does indead have the 50". It's on an endcap by the washers so you really can't compare it to anything. They also have a 60" A20 next to that new 60" Mits LCD on the back wall...
post #832 of 10847
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Originally Posted by bz2yx9 View Post

Valley View Sears does indead have the 50". It's on an endcap by the washers so you really can't compare it to anything. They also have a 60" A20 next to that new 60" Mits LCD on the back wall...

Was actually just calling there right now to make sure...it's about the furthest of all the Sears stores from me but I'm going to take the ride there to check it out. It took the girl 10 minutes on the phone to find it but just wanted to make sure. Thanks for the info.
post #833 of 10847
Thanks for the tips. I checked out the TV at Listen Up. It looks great and the size is just what I need. It measured just a tad over 39 1/4" wide. So that works great. I have all of 1/8" to spare on each side. My width can be increased slightly by adjusting the hinges to move the doors ever so little.

I really liked the TV--nice picture. The regular stations looked good as well as the dvd movie. Did not take the time to test out the TV much since that is pretty much what I am resigned to get because of space limitations.

Great TV.

Brad
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OK, I've spent hours calibrating this set and I have gotten it close to where I'm happy with it. Here are my settings:

Iris 1
Picture 87
Brightness 51
Color 36
Hue R13
Color Temp Warm2
Sharpness 11

I have tried the following DVDs on my Panasonic S77 over HDMI with 720p upconversion, and that's what I used to calibrate these settings:

Superbit Fifth Element
Superbit Blackhawk Down
Hellboy
A Bug's Life
Pirates of the Caribbean
Lord of the Rings FOTR
The Saint
Tombstone
Lethal Weapon 2

And a myriad of others...I think I'm pretty happy with how it's turning out. At first flesh tones had some green tint on shadows or facial 'stubble' and browns were a bit green, but now it's looking great. OOTB experience was a bit of a letdown, but I'm 100% with my purchase now.

42" A10 btw.
post #835 of 10847
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Originally Posted by scherer326 View Post

I had the HL-R4667 before this but exchanged it. BEST decision I ever made. Sharpness, clarity, and overall pq is so much better on this tv.

First off, a million thanks to all of you--I've been lurking for 2 months now, studying these A10s, and can honestly say this has been the best "consumer info" experience I've ever had on the Web. Most of y'all are outstanding critics and the discussions have been really helpful.

Scherer326, I have narrowed down my TV choices to the 42A10 and the HL-R4667 you just sent back....main reason is available space. (I even had a carpenter come out to see if I could get a couple more inches in the entertainment center without wrecking it, but no.... ) My viewing distance will be 6-8 feet, so I'm really on the fence about going for the 42" Sony vs. the extra 4" of screen space on the Samsung. You're the only one I've seen who's specifically seen both, although you were looking at the 50A10...I'd appreciate your opinion on this.

(And anyone else's thoughts, too. Preferably before next weekend and the first real week of preseason football. )
post #836 of 10847
Just gave myself an early Christmas present with the E50A10 (delivery on the 19th). Got it from Myer Emco in Gaithersrburg, MD. Ken, the salesman, was a great guy. Pointed me toward all of the "value concious" products that I needed, and was very open about telling me to get stuff at other places if there were better deals out there. "You should get DirecTV from somewhere else... we'd charge you way too much for the install" "I got a cheap HD antenna from BB. It was half the price of this one and works just fine.".

Many thanks to everyone on here giving their opinions and thoughts. I was pretty set on getting the E50A10 for a while now, but the reviews definitely set me over the edge.
post #837 of 10847
firstly - just read this entire thread - thanx for all the really usefull info.

couple of questions:

Online $$ for the A10's are definately cheaper the BB/CC/Sears - so why would you not buy from online merchants? One thing I can think of is the hassle to return the set if there are too many dead/stuck pixels?

second question is about the viewing angle. Where I would put the set would have the bottome edge of the screen a few inches above eye level - I know the vertical viewing angle is pretty narrow - am I going to have a problem with this ?

thanx

Got no responce on these question - no one got any opinions?
post #838 of 10847
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Originally Posted by scherer326 View Post


I had the HL-R4667 before this but exchanged it. BEST decision I ever made. Sharpness, clarity, and overall pq is so much better on this tv. In my opinion you wont be disappointed. But that is all for now. Will do some more tweaking later and get back to everyone in this forum.

I took the 42" 655 back because I wasn't thrilled with the PQ and definately did not like the style of it in our living room. Got the 4667 instead and it took about three days for me to really not like it PQ wise, but the style is great. Hit a new CC today and the manager told me that he'd have the 50" A10's in end of week at the latest, so I'm going to sit tight until they arrive.

What's worse for me is now I want one of these: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-7I9Z9xi...0&I=158SR50XBR

Heck, it's only money right?
post #839 of 10847
in my opinion the a10 series is alot better than the HL-R4667, right when I turned on the tv for the first time I noticed the tv being much sharper in displaying the text, HD is amazing. Am so glad I did the exchange. Never looked bad.

For the guy who is 6-8 ft. the 42 in maybe best. I am 7-8.5 ft and I have the 50in with no problems viewing it. All depends on your eyes. If they are good, heck, go with the 50in, you wont be disappointed.

P.S. thanks for starting to post settings for others. Will post mine tonight.
post #840 of 10847
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Originally Posted by vanrobson View Post

The A10s are not coming to Canada until mid sept at the earliest. Like the gw4 it will be a canada specific model with no cablecard slot. The e50a10 will have a cdn msrp of $3699. It will be much cheaper to buy it from the US because sony decided to bump up the prices for canada on the a10 and a20s.

I now have more info for canada. e50a10 will msrp for 3699 and e42a10 will msrp for 3299. Futureshop now has the 2 models in the system with no stock. it means we will see the set in 2-3 week in west coast and 3-4 week in the east coast a little earlier than expected. there is a very big difference in msrp compare to dealer cost so expect to get big savings by negotiating with sales people especially with buying more than 1 set with a friend. It will definate be cheaper to buy from the usa as dealer cost is a little bit higher than the lowest retail price i have found plus exchange rate. The us dealer price is lower than canadian dealer price.
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