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post #61 of 123
I'm in the same boat. Decided to get an LCD screen for our sunroom. I wanted the biggest possible screen & the wall on which I will mount the TV is just 42 inches wide between a french door and an outcove. All the 42" screens are too wide for my wall. So I stumbled upon the Samsung LNR409D at Tweeter. It's actually just under 40" wide so it'll fit perfectly.

Tweeter has 10% off this weekend....so it's a $400 savings (along with the 18 months of 0% deal). But I've never owned any Samsung product. If Sony is coming out with a comparable TV with a comparable (or even cheaper) price, I might wait. But does anyone have anymore info. about that Sony KDL40XBR1?

Tweeter says they can't offer that 10% off after this weekend. BUT -- I could put 20% down to lock in the price and then not take the TV for a little while. If I change my mind, they refund the money. I may consider that.

My questions then are:

1) Is the Sony going to be as good or better than the Samsung?
2) Is the Sony 40" wide or less?
3) Will the Sony be under $4000?
4) Will the Sony be available within the next 30 days?

Thanks.
post #62 of 123
Radiationking,

Can't comment on any of your specific questions but one thing I can tell you is that if you are concerned about buying a Samsung product, don't be. I was awfully skeptical before I bought my Samsung DLP last year - Samsung always seemed like a 2nd tier brand, while Sony rarely made products that weren't very reliable. However, Samsung has really turned the tables in the past four or five years - they are the clear leader in the DLP market (obviously they were the first to embrace the technology in a big way so they have a big headstart) but they are also one of the biggest producers of LCD and plasma panels. In fact the panel in the Sony is most likely coming from Sony's JV w/ Samsung so chances are it's exactly the same as the one in the Samsung. In contrast to Samsung which has been taking significant share in a number of display markets, Sony has really dropped the ball. Their CRTs used to be worth paying extra for, whereas I don't think that argument still holds today. I certainly don't think it's worth paying a premium for a Sony LCD over a Samsung and not even sure I wouldn't get the Samsung if it was slightly more expensive.

As far as my experience goes, I couldn't be happier w/ my DLP. I've had a few issues (weren't really problems as much as me being anal - I probably never would have noticed these issues if I hadn't read these boards) and their tech support has been exceptional! I've had techs to my house on two separate occasions - both times, I was able to schedule an appt with minimal effort, the tech showed up right on time and fixed the problem no questions asked - and on the first occasion they replaced a $1,300 which probably could have been fixed by changing out a $100 component. I also own a Samsung LN-R328W which I love and has been completely problem free (knock on wood) in the almost 2 months I've owned it.

So your preconceived notions of Sony vs. Samsung are not something to worry about IMHO.
post #63 of 123
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Originally Posted by EricScott
Other than aesthetics and a slightly improved response time is very similiar to the 8W (see below). Both have one HDMI input and no DVI inputs. The larger models (above 32" I believe) for both the 8W and 9D offer cable card. All of the 9D's have a built in ATSC tuner (no cablecard for smaller models), while only the larger 8W's (those w/ the cablecard) have ATSC tuners.
Question about cable cards. When I was looking at the Samsung, the rep. at Tweeter told me that the cable card feature allows you to get HD Digital Cable from the cable co. (Comcast here) without the need for a cable box. Great! Since the TV will be wall-mounted, I am totally in favor of not using a cable box. That's a plus, BUT -- the cable boxes provided by Comcast allow for those valuable menu screens that tell you when programs are on again - what they're about, etc.

If you use a cable card, do you still have access to all of those other cable box features --- or do you just get the programming without all of the information and schedules, etc.? The rep. at Tweeter didn't know the answer.
post #64 of 123
RadiationKing

1) Yes, Maybe. I have not seen the 40" yet, but when comparing the new sony 32" to the samsung 32"(408 series- 409 could be better) The sony blows away the sammy. It was sharper and had better color, and Samsung will not let you turn off DNIe, which happers you ability to tweek the settings to your likings. Also no ajustable backlight on sammy :( .
2) I think I remember a width of 39.8"
3) I confirmed price and avalibilty yesterday and Magnolia theaters(MSRP is $3499)
4)Magnolia told me they would have some by mid September. ;)
post #65 of 123
Thanks for the info.

Is Magnolia Theaters an on-line store or do they have a shop somewhere. I've never heard of it.

I think my local Gramophone store deals in Sony products and I'd like to continue to buy from them. That when -- if something breaks -- they can't blame some other piece of equipment. Everything was bought at Gramophone and it would still be their issue to deal with. I don't think Gramophone sells Samsung. Last time I was there, they were really pushing LG LCD TVs. They looked okay, but the 40" Samsung (and hopefully the 40" Sony) fit my requirements much better.

If I can get the Sony before Oct. 1st for less than $3600, I think I'll wait. That's assuming it looks as good as that Samsung does.
post #66 of 123
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Originally Posted by RadiationKing
Question about cable cards. When I was looking at the Samsung, the rep. at Tweeter told me that the cable card feature allows you to get HD Digital Cable from the cable co. (Comcast here) without the need for a cable box. Great! Since the TV will be wall-mounted, I am totally in favor of not using a cable box. That's a plus, BUT -- the cable boxes provided by Comcast allow for those valuable menu screens that tell you when programs are on again - what they're about, etc.

If you use a cable card, do you still have access to all of those other cable box features --- or do you just get the programming without all of the information and schedules, etc.? The rep. at Tweeter didn't know the answer.
I think the Samsung has TV Guide On Screen built in to it's cablecard models. This allows you to download guide data comparable to what you would have in your Comcast STB. However people have reported lots of problems on various displays with downloading complete and accurate data. But there should be something to replace the guide in your STB. On Demand and PPV are definitely not possible without a STB though.
post #67 of 123
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Originally Posted by RadiationKing

If I can get the Sony before Oct. 1st for less than $3600, I think I'll wait. That's assuming it looks as good as that Samsung does.
Radiation, the new Sony 40" will be my next TV. The MSRP is $3,499 and is due out in less than two weeks. There's a current thread on the new Sony models. As soon as I get mine, I'll post some pics and a review. Good Luck.
post #68 of 123
iBleed:

Thanks for the info. I'll stop by Gramophone on the way home from work tonight and see what they're getting & when. I'd love to bring this TV home for under $3200. I hope they're willing to deal a little on this brand new TV. Sometimes they don't when they can sell every one they get at full MSRP. I am a long-time customer there and I would imagine they'll want to keep me happy. I've spent a lot of $ there and I probably will in the future.

I'm excited to see the new 40" Sony.
post #69 of 123
My LN-R409D arrives tomorrow between 11 and 3. I'd like to thank Samsung, Tweeter, and my paycheck. If anyone's interested I'll be happy to take some photos and drop an impression here.
post #70 of 123
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Originally Posted by utopiajoe
My LN-R409D arrives tomorrow between 11 and 3. I'd like to thank Samsung, Tweeter, and my paycheck. If anyone's interested I'll be happy to take some photos and drop an impression here.
And they'd like to thank you I'm sure. I am in a similar boat, expecting delivery tomorrow on the LN-R409D. I've researched this purchase to death, and honestly I expect this to be just the beginning of the end. With the upcoming speculated MSRP adjustment 8/28 and the Sony XBRs coming out, I'll be carefully pondering my options. I bought at Tweeter also -- nice sale, 30 day no questions return, 60 day price match.

Of course, I'm hoping to be completely floored by this new set that I forget reading these forums and considering all of this nonsense. We'll see.
post #71 of 123
LCD TV (LE40M61B)
Samsung's 40†LCD TV (LE40M61B) was honoured with an EISA award for its premium display technology in terms of contrast ratio (5000:1), color expression (6.44 billion colors, 92% color gamut for NTSC) , viewing angle (178 °) and response time (8 ms). Also the model's simple body design focuses the viewer's attention on the screen. On the front of the minimalist design, the speakers are hidden from view in the bottom bezel and nothing distracts from the superb image quality.

from here
http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter/P...16_0000184560#
post #72 of 123
Jack and Joe, please post lotsa pics and reviews. Can't wait 'til you both get it. :D
post #73 of 123
Has anyone seen the 32" LN-R329D anywhere? Anyone have info on when it is due to be in stores? I know that some internet sites claim it is available, but no one in this forum has ever reported seeing one. I have only seen the 40" at BB and Tweeter.
post #74 of 123
I had the LN-R329D delivered today...haven't had a chance to play with it yet as I am in the process of moving. HD cable will be installed tomorrow but move-in day is Wed. so I won't be able report back for a couple days.

It is out of the box and it's quite nice looking :D
post #75 of 123
Come on, Devotion. Get out the camera.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/images/.../worthless.gif
post #76 of 123
Camera, camera...now where did I pack the camera ;)
post #77 of 123
Ok, new Sammy owners, let's see some pics.

Or else........... :D
post #78 of 123
i can answer that question this friday... that's when my cable card is going to arive. i have the hpr5052 (50" hd plasma).

i also have a signal booster, and honestly i don't know why so many people are ripping samsung so much... i'm not sure they are getting a fair chance. true, at first i was disappointed with my purchase, but after having it calibrated (professionally), i rarely see clayface, and sd looks as good and sometimes better than my old 27" crt. as for screendoor effect, i have to be within 1-2 feet to see it at all.

now i've never seen a calibrated panny, just what they have in the local stores, so i can not do a fair comparison.

i'll post back in a few days about the cable card.
-nate
post #79 of 123
Bumping for pics from you new Sammy owners, especially those with the 409D. ;)
post #80 of 123
329D and 409D owners... We all know these LCDs will look great in HD, so please post your impressions of PQ from SD and DVD sources.

I plan on purchasing one for the XBox360 because of the 8ms pixel response time... Do you notice any ghosting when playing video games?
Here's another way to test it... Flip it on CNN or FOX News; Does the scrolling news ticker blur, or is the text nice and sharp?

Do you have any obvious bad pixels? What color are they? (White is the worst)

Thanks.
post #81 of 123
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Originally Posted by JediPunisher
329D and 409D owners... We all know these LCDs will look great in HD, so please post your impressions of PQ from SD and DVD sources.
I've held off on making too many comments on my new LN-R409D because I just got HD service through DirectTV with an OTA antenna. While this is bound to get long, this is by no means a comprehensive or technical review. Honestly, I'm stepping up from a 1997 27" Panasonic Superflat CRT, so I don't have reasonable means for comparison unless you count in-store experience, and I don't. Now I have a new HR10-250 box, so there's another set of variables in the mix (output format and connection mostly).

I used an S-Video connection with my old DirectTV Tivo for a couple of days to show SD only, and results were mixed -- some channels looked great but others were not. With the new HR10-250 box, I've tried HDMI, but for some reason the audio from the OTA antenna wasn't passed through HDMI to the set AND the HR10-250 wouldn't output 480i even though the manual says it should (c'mon, I wanted to try it and see what the TV would do with it). So, I hooked up the HR10-250 via component and that's what I'm using now. I blame the HDMI failure on the HR10-250, but it's the only HDMI device I have so I can't test the LN-R409D with anything else.

My conclusion on SD output is that it can be very very good, but it is very source quality dependent. For example, OTA locals, even with SD programming, look great. The DirectTV digital sat feed of the same program is significantly worse. I'd describe what I'm seeing as blocky. I'm having a hard time settling on image adjustments for TV watching, because the ideal settings vary with the channel. If other more experienced users could post their settings that would be cool. I'll post mine, but I want to tinker a little more.

I liken this variation based on source/program to getting really accurate, unforgiving speakers. Boy they sound great when you're feeding them a great recording through a properly matched setup, but put a crappy CD player in the mix or play back a poorly compressed .MP3 recording and you're going to be able to tell right away. I guess that is a tangible result of high fidelity and high resolution.

I've watched parts of The Incredibles DVD after using the THX calibration, and the image is fantastic. I specifically watched some faster scenes to look for motion problems, and they aren't there. Amazing performance here, folks. My DVD player is a Sony AVD-C70ES, and I was using progressive output via component.

As for the obsession with user photos, I don't get it. Ever heard of Crutchfield.com? They have product photos from various angles, much better than anything that I could take. If you need someone to confirm that that is what it looks like, then here you have it. I'll try to take some photos tonight to show how it fits into my setup, but you're probably going to get more info from the Crutchfield photos.

One detail that is not represented well in the Crutchfield photos is the fact that the black bezel is extremely high gloss black. Not what I would have chosen, but we're getting used to it. And, at least the whole screen isn't shiny reflective glary glass like a plasma.

Besides the glossy bezel, I have one other complaint and that is viewing angle. Samsung's claimed 170 degree H/V viewing angle is one of the features that attracted me to the LN-R409D over much cheaper projection sets. And, I bet that you can see some image over that range. However, color varies greatly over this range, to a fairly annoying degree.

While I'm complaining, I can't believe the warnings throughout the manual on image retention / burn-in. I know that there is still some debateable low level of risk of this even with an LCD (although that Crutchfield page that I mentioned specifically says that you don't have to worry about it -- quite ballsy of them I must say). But, the manual specifically says that watching 4:3 TV or a DVD with letterbox borders can cause issues in as little as 2 hours! I'm not really afraid of that, but it is interesting that a manufacturer with so much knowledge about LCD panels would say this. I guess this might be a boilerplate-type warning that they issue for all of their TVs.

One last complaint, the TV speakers sound thin and muffled. Maybe I need to break them in or something, but ugh. I wasn't going to use them much anyway, but I thought that others might care.

So, overall the image is fantastic, but there are some issues here. I'm glad that I bought local and have a 30-day return to consider. This set hasn't wowed me enough to forget about that.
post #82 of 123
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Originally Posted by jack_straw
While I'm complaining, I can't believe the warnings throughout the manual on image retention / burn-in. I know that there is still some debateable low level of risk of this even with an LCD (although that Crutchfield page that I mentioned specifically says that you don't have to worry about it -- quite ballsy of them I must say). But, the manual specifically says that watching 4:3 TV or a DVD with letterbox borders can cause issues in as little as 2 hours! I'm not really afraid of that, but it is interesting that a manufacturer with so much knowledge about LCD panels would say this. I guess this might be a boilerplate-type warning that they issue for all of their TVs.
Don't worry about this. Samsung has the same disclaimer in the front of all of their flat panel display manuals and this is obviously targeted towards the plasma displays. I wouldn't worry about burn in on this set.
post #83 of 123
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Originally Posted by jack_straw

As for the obsession with user photos, I don't get it. Ever heard of Crutchfield.com? If you need someone to confirm that that is what it looks like, then here you have it.
Forget it, Jack. Apparently you've never crossed the members photo gallery or the "2005 Post pictures of your setup" thread.

We just like to see TVs and setups in a more natural setting. We're not trying to get confirmation on its aesthetics. :rolleyes: And, yes, we've heard of Crutchfield. Nor are we strangers to Google.
post #84 of 123
Thanks Jack for the review. It sounds like you're not overly impressed by the Samsung... but the blocky sat feed, limited viewing angles, and poor speakers, are going to be common problems with any LCD.

You might try switching to Dish Network; They don't compress the hell out of the feeds like Direct TV.
Are you able to switch off the DNIe contrast enhancement? Your contrast ratio will probably drop from 3000:1 to 1000:1, but it may help.

I notice that prices have dropped dramatically on the 408D. I believe the primary difference is the pixel response time: 12ms vs the 409D's 8ms. If you're suffering from buyers remorse, and if you're not a hardcore gamer, you might return it and purchase last year's model online and save $1500.
post #85 of 123
Jedi, I believe that is a typo on BestBuyPlasma... I think they really mean the w serires. The W serires 40 incher is going for around 2500. The D series is going for about 1000 more. I wouldn't chance it... i think you'll end up with a w serires. But if they really are selling the D series 40 incher for that price... that would be HOT!!!
post #86 of 123
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Originally Posted by JediPunisher
I plan on purchasing one for the XBox360 because of the 8ms pixel response time... Do you notice any ghosting when playing video games?
Here's another way to test it... Flip it on CNN or FOX News; Does the scrolling news ticker blur, or is the text nice and sharp?

Do you have any obvious bad pixels? What color are they? (White is the worst)
I missed these questions in my writeup. I have a Gamecube, and I haven't noticed any visual issues, although I wouldn't say that I'm a hardcore gamer. Text scroll on CNN is sharp as can be. Have any LN-R408D (or other 8D) series owners seen issues with scrolling text? I appreciate the 8ms is 33% faster than 12ms, but 12ms is already pretty darn fast.

I don't see any bad pixels.

Without being able to compare the two (408D and 409D), I basically went for the better set because I could get a better deal on it locally w/ 30 day return. Places like the vendor you mentioned (which will probably get edited out because we're not supposed to talk sale prices just MSRP) are an option, but check out their return policies. They usually skip the "no questions asked" option that you'll get at your local Circuit City, Tweeter, or other B&M. In arguable functionality situations like a couple of stuck pixels, this is a huge advantage in my opinion. A few authorized web dealers allow this level of service also, I would be sure to buy from one of them. See Samsung's web site for the list. I might roll the dice with them if I'm spending a couple of hundred bucks, but not a purchase like this.

My remorse is definitely mixed, and I'm thinking through my options since I can return this locally. I disagree that any LCD is obviously going to have crappy speakers. And, Samsung claims 170 degree viewing angle, not 170 degree viewing angle with significant color distortion. They present it as an advance in the technology, and I'm disappointed in what they deliver and I thought that it would be worth pointing out to others who are considering the set for the same reason. Like I said, though, I think that I'd prefer this over the shiny plasma glass.

Today's the day for the MSRP drop... it looks like the LN-R408D is $3299 and the LN-R409D is $3699, with both available at discount even at authorized dealers.
post #87 of 123
Ok... couldnt wait any longer... got a lnr329D for 1899... seems to be the best price online today. Freeshipping and not taxes, with a 9 rating on resellerrates... had to bite. Should be here 9/9... i'll let you guys know how it is... I'm primiarily going to be using it as a pc monitor for games and stuff... replacing my 24" sony GDMWf900... lets see how it does.
post #88 of 123
DocWonder, you should've checked CircuitCity's website... they just dropped the price. Even with tax, it's less than you just paid. And you have that "no questions asked" return policy that Jack is so proud of. :)
post #89 of 123
Jedi, you've completely missed the topic of this thread: THE NEW SAMMYS ARE HERE!!! We're talking about D series! Not W series. CIrcuit CIty only carries W series right now. The difference between the D serires and the W series is that the D series has 8 ms response time and the W seriers has 12ms response time. The D series also includes a ASTC adapter and looks a little different. Do you get it yet? or do you work for circuit city? Then you're certainly clueless about specs and model numbers.
post #90 of 123
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Originally Posted by DocWonder
Then you're certainly clueless about specs and model numbers.
There is no need to get nasty. It was YOUR mistake.
I replied to your post that you purchased a "lnr328"... you just edited your post to "lnr329D."
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